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@k.szaroldinho

7 жыл бұрын

VASAviation - thanks for uploading such videos!

@jimmoir7821

7 жыл бұрын

ATC communications are available to anyone with a receiver tuned to the right frequency. They are all simple radio transmissions, and are monitored and recorded, and are not secret in any way.

@jajasmile5321

6 жыл бұрын

VASAviation - this is better than CNN , on a Saturday

@Hyder__-ip2og

4 жыл бұрын

You're guardian angels

Legend has it that the ATC guy still waiting on for souls on board.

@brickson98m

6 жыл бұрын

slave trader lmao I was thinking about that the whole time also

@MegaMetinMetin

6 жыл бұрын

John Doe loool

@beyondinsanitybr

6 жыл бұрын

In all fairness, I think he said the number in one of the unidentifiable audios

@seppheinzl9378

6 жыл бұрын

or all of them were redheads

@funkyyaya

6 жыл бұрын

John Doe oh boy, so many smart souls on board.

Later that evening, when the pilot was all tucked up in bed he was woken from his slumber with his phone ringing. Reaching over he turned on the light, stretched and yawned and picked up his phone. 'Hello?' 'Hi, when you have time, the souls on board please.'

@Megabishop65

5 жыл бұрын

Good one!

@janetmiller2160

5 жыл бұрын

I was listening for that.

@ericstir8720

5 жыл бұрын

Haha

@ebmusicman84

5 жыл бұрын

@Foreign abroad nah, that was funny

@mrlizard6529

5 жыл бұрын

@Foreign abroad why you crying bro?

I know it's part of their training and all that jazz, but I'm constantly amazed by how calm everyone stays in these scenarios.

@samfenkz5926

7 жыл бұрын

Ilovefajitas Training kicks in automatically for pilots and flight attendants when a abnormal situation occurs

@iatsd

7 жыл бұрын

Those pilots weren't that calm. ATC was. The pilots were getting quite.....excited. You want calm, look up the Thompson bird strike out of Manchester airport. *That's* calm & professional.

@IstoryangPagibig

7 жыл бұрын

I compared both and the El Al pilot's weren't really calmed. Haha. Still amazing act of professionalism!

@M3rVsT4H

7 жыл бұрын

It's the professionalism that keeps me coming back for more. Even the ones who aren't icy cool are impressively composed in a crisis. I'm off to look up that Thompson one now :)

@AuruGames

7 жыл бұрын

I can't talk for pilots but I'am with the ambulance service and when ever I got my uniform on, I'm more distant to stress and unfortune, not totally numb but still somewhat distant. I don't know how other professions deal with such thinks, but I guess if your training deals with stessfull situations early on, your training will kicks in more or less. Often enough you just really get what happend after the whole think is over...atleast that the case with me.

Air Canada: we’re not 100% sure that part of the tire won’t come off ATC: Good to know 👍😂😂

@davidfrench5407

5 жыл бұрын

Air Canda: "Sorry eh"

@Charlesbjtown

5 жыл бұрын

@@davidfrench5407 No, more like "so-ree'.

@grouperkng1

4 жыл бұрын

Hell ATC asked they answered honestly. How on earth would they know if a tire is going to shred or not with a low pressure indicator.

@fitrianhidayat

4 жыл бұрын

@@grouperkng1 yeah, but we're expecting something like "Roger" or something.. "Good to know" is rather unexpected

@Mercilessonion

4 жыл бұрын

@@fitrianhidayat Good to know that the tire on the aircraft carrying people might just come off

They flew monza circuit!

@GTReplayMaster

7 жыл бұрын

in reverse!

@matthewkessler1153

7 жыл бұрын

What is that exactly?

@EnDSchultz1

7 жыл бұрын

Autodromo Nazionale Monza is a famous racetrack in northern Italy... looks uncannily like the pattern the aircraft flew!

@Huna98

7 жыл бұрын

Omg its just like Monza 😂😂😂

@TransTaey

7 жыл бұрын

That's fricking hilarious, I see it now.

I’m an airline pilot, I have been in 3 airlines DHL, Copa Ailines and now in one airline in the Middle East, I can say that been laid down in a bed, listening KZread videos and commenting the videos is very easy, the pilot in a serios emergency has huge work load, at first they have to fly the airplane, deal with ATC, take care of another traffics, terrain obstacles and perform immediate actions for abnormal and emergency checklist etc.. for me ATC didn’t ask again for souls on board because he new the high work load in the cockpit. Very good job from pilots and controllers, the airplane is safe on ground and passengers drinking coffee in the terminal.

@aliaguerin1266

5 жыл бұрын

I would not be drinking coffee after this lol

@freedommike4862

5 жыл бұрын

Aviate navigate communicate

@grouperkng1

4 жыл бұрын

I agree

@Lesloi6227

4 жыл бұрын

If the F/O doesn't have the souls on board first up from the top of his head then its unlikely they will get time to look that up once a mayday been declared.

@CramcrumBrewbringer

4 жыл бұрын

Dang vale called you out

True Story: If you start screaming in a library, everyone just looks at you like you're crazy, but if you start screaming on a plane, everyone joins in!

I keep coming back to these ATC vids due to my constant amazement to the point of addiction at how they manage all these flights coming in as a multitasking genie especially when they have to shift them around to accommodate an emergency.

@MrMiD.Life.Crisis

2 жыл бұрын

Did you see the fairly recent one departing Honolulu where they ditched in the ocean?

my favourite part is when the canada flight just goes meh not 100% sure the tire won’t come off and the atc just goes. Good to know in the most sarcastic voice ever

@andytaylor1588

6 жыл бұрын

Air Crapada. service with a snarl. They aren't happy until yer not happy, eh?

@Michaelsmith21588

5 жыл бұрын

That cracked me up

@terrencebradley5417

5 жыл бұрын

So would you rather they replied while screaming: we're gonna die?

@johfertitta5233

5 жыл бұрын

....it's not a real good idea to roll with alligators on the runway...

@fastkarr8256

3 жыл бұрын

@@andytaylor1588 so Air Canada is the Canadian Spirit Airlines

This ATC has the clearest pronunciation of any ATC I've heard on these videos. I like the TO accent.

@Icanlogonnow

3 жыл бұрын

The NATO phonetic alphabet was developed mainly by a French Canadian. So could be why ;P

oh my god i was on this flight! there was a huge explosion on the right side (i was sitting on the left) and everyone started screaming there was a fire, and then the co pilot ran out to check the engine

@JimmyThicctron

7 жыл бұрын

James Collier actually it was surprisingly calm. At first people freaked out but everyone calmed down pretty quickly, it turned to silence and then to small talk between passengers before landing

@ThePerpetualStudent

7 жыл бұрын

same! i wish everyone who just accept death and chill. easier said than done, i guess.

@wesleychen1841

7 жыл бұрын

PFFTTT The pilot ran OUTSIDE to check the engine? Sure...

@craig7899

7 жыл бұрын

Brian Williams was there too

@jimmoir7821

7 жыл бұрын

He ran out from the cockpit to look at the engine through the passenger windows

"Yes, sir, would like to return to Toronto, please" you can actually hear the ever so slight note of 'oh s*it' in his voice. It's subtle, but it's there. Totally unsurprising in that situation, but all in all, still one hell of a controlled reaction on his part.

53 Tons😍. That's enough to run my car for next 100 years. 😍

@johfertitta5233

5 жыл бұрын

Your car won't run on jet-A...

@OUTLAW_2-1

5 жыл бұрын

It will. It’ll just melt the engine block pretty quickly.

@jakemeoff0387

5 жыл бұрын

That's 1,164 fill ups for a vehicle.

@ToyotaTechnical

5 жыл бұрын

What makes you say that?

@markofexcellence5209

5 жыл бұрын

934 tanks/300,000 miles/25 years @ 18/gallon

5:49 I think the pilot says "...we're not ready for the descent just yet." Great video though!

I have watched so many of these videos and it is simply astonishing how cool and calm these pilots are. I have only heard of one pilot actually freak out and i think he was an amateur pilot.

@jimmoir7821

7 жыл бұрын

Most El Al pilots are ex Israeli Air Force military pilots. They are superbly trained and professional.

@montecristo1812

6 жыл бұрын

All of them...

@dantee7893

4 жыл бұрын

@@jimmoir7821 100% true! FYI, Israeli Air Force pilot is the only one in the world that landed a plane who lost its whole wing here's a link for those interested (listen to how calmly and accurately he relays the story) kzread.info/dash/bejne/f2dpm9Kofs3chqQ.html

@linanicolia1363

3 жыл бұрын

Lots of experience. If you are good at handling your plane, the ATC exchange is easy but it is still nice to have a co-pilot....Lots of work to do in these commercial jets. Decades ago, there were 3 guys in the cockpit as 2 flew the plane and the third was handling the radios and actual navigation. They cut that extra guy out !

@shreddder999

3 жыл бұрын

This guy doesn't seem very calm. I was immediately thinking he was not prepared to handle an emergency.

Huh. Years ago there was a Boeing flying quite low over my town, banking pretty good. (Weird to see over my small town.) Turns out it was this flight. Strange how you can come across things like this. Glad they landed safely.

@cjshardcorepunkmusicvault8474

2 жыл бұрын

Did you enjoy the the jet fuel rain?

@Harry-uo2cr

2 жыл бұрын

@@cjshardcorepunkmusicvault8474mmm love me some lead

@ParadigmUnkn0wn

Жыл бұрын

@@Harry-uo2cr jet fuel doesn't have lead in it. 100LL Aviation Gasoline does, but that's for old piston engine planes. Jets run on highly refined kerosene. When they dump from altitude like this it generally evaporates before it hits the ground, although I have a hard time imagining anything evaporating in Canada during winter.

@Harry-uo2cr

Жыл бұрын

@@ParadigmUnkn0wn good to know thanks

Great work by everyone. The calmness of the pilots was super!

How calm and composed everyone is. Amazing!!!

They had an engine fire AND a low pressure tire! Nice job Toronto ATC!

I have so much respect for the folk who do this for a living. The fellows effing engine was on fire and his level of calm was palpable through the radio!

I know next to nothing about flight, but I love listening to these

He was on fire and he was calm enough to dump fuel and land safely... incredible

found this channel to be atc for vatsim, loved it ever since.

Atc reminded the pilot about fuel dumping.. That was good

My dad was a controller at Toronto from 1960 to 1969. Loved his job. These vids are very cool.

he never said how many souls had onboard..

7 жыл бұрын

Vampire convention.

@mwbgaming28

7 жыл бұрын

maybe the plane was full of gingers

@bravo795mp

6 жыл бұрын

KayKay0314 because sometimes the amount on board, at ticket counter; doesn’t always match the souls on board final count.. (that’s why it’s only used to verify the pilots count).. people get off; people get on last minute. Yes this is a priority and there is a reason it’s asked immediately after the mayday has been established.. if this had ended badly; you would want an accurate count of people that were on board of the flight. Not only for loved ones, but to figure out why the plane went down.. not all passengers get on planes for good reasons. They did a great job handling the emergency other than this.

@deeremeyer1749

6 жыл бұрын

Where in the fuck do you fly to and from that people "get off, people get on last minute". The reason they ask for souls on board has nothing to do with "loved ones". It has to do with making sure ATC is talking to the plane/pilot they think they are and that the aircrew has its shit together and has the paperwork to prove it and that a correctly flight plan was filed and followed. When ATC asks for "souls on board" and the response is "we'll get back to you" and they never do, that's the first "F" on their report card and if there is a crash and casualties the "cause" is going to involve "pilot error". That manifest should be in the pilot's hand when he makes the call and he should report souls on board IMMEDIATELY after declaring an emergency. Its a EMERGENCY because LIVES ARE AT RISK. Not be cause that poor airplane is broken and might crash and the pilot damn sure better know how many lives are in his hands EXACTLY and shouldn't even have to look at a fucking manifest. Did he do a walk-around? Was he on the flight deck as passengers boarded and were they counted immediately after HE gave the order to shut the doors after verifying all the CHECKED IN PASSENGERS WERE ACCOUNTED FOR? If you're going to pull shit out of your ass playing pilot/airplane/airline apologist don't act like just because somebody asked a question they don't know the answer and you're fooling somebody. If you're in any way, shape or form in the airline industry I think you might want to make that stupid response that clearly means your an idiot or a public relations stooge disappear before it comes back to haunt you. You really think somebody that STATES that the pilot didn't report souls on board isn't smart enough to know there's something wrong there and didn't need or believe your "explanation" if they know what souls on board is? Pretty sure they've been on airplanes before and know damned good and well you don't just hop on or off an airplane and go unnoticed and unaccounted for.

@bravo795mp

6 жыл бұрын

DEEREMEYER1 people get on and off last minute when the plane is accidentally overbooked and they have too many passengers for the flight and they have to offer up seats for cash, or emergencies with passengers that require them to de-board and not take the flight, or crew deadheading, or passengers that don’t show up. I obviously mean unexpected last minute changes in the status of the current pilot manifest that would correlate with the PRE-PLANED number of people planned for each flight. Reporting souls on board is ABSOLUTELY for ATC to confirm the souls on board, in case the plane crashes during a mayday. (& no it’s not the only way pilot error is determined, if they don’t report souls on board during a crash; that’s ridiculous. Electrical failure/fire/ rapid depressurization, terror act (all could leave them physically unable due to their planes functioning systems; or even physically incapacitated ... & unable to report souls on board). Yes it could be they were distracted and possibly tunnel visioned at the time of the emergency/ but there is a reason it takes like two years to investigate accidents; and the main indication for pilot error comes from the data/voice recorders and examining the physical data they find from whatever is left of the current condition of the plane. As for a mayday without reporting souls during a safe landing; yes that’s unacceptable; pilot should be able to clearly prioritize each issue as to not get tunnel visioned on the problem. Although I would just prefer a safe landing over focusing on transmitting; and then later send for retraining . And as far as WHY ATC asks souls on board; it is in fact if there is a crash they can confirm in the rescue/recovery phase(bodies) for families like I said there have been several crashes like the Brazilian crash 4 people were not on it as initially thought. As well as using the pilots manifest to determine if there was any suspicious activity/terrorism or unidentified souls; like on an air India that had like 10 fake passports, an Malaysia flight with unidentifiable passport/manifest match’s. Learn to comprehend before talking shit.

Rumour has it that ATC are still waiting to hear how many souls on board

I am amazed by their calm!! Real professional!!

Pilotts and controllers so professionals

Very professional pilots and ATC. Well done!

that pilot was cool as hell man, what a pro

@B-System

5 жыл бұрын

That pilot was decisive as hell, I love it.

@ozymandias7592

4 жыл бұрын

@@B-System 90% of El Al pilots are veteran IAF pilots with thousands of sorties under their belt, most join El Al once their military career is over - so its easy for them to stay calm compared to their tactical rich past

@Tiisiphone

4 жыл бұрын

@@ozymandias7592 true!

Everyone was so darn professional! Good job!

It wasn’t made clear on the video whether there was a positive outcome to this incident....I really hope so. I can’t believe how calm and professional both the Crew of the El Al flight and the Air Traff Controller were being. I know it’s their job and they go through masses of training, but being faced with a Real World mid-air crises obviously feels completely different. Wow 😮. I have so much respect for these people 💜

@christophercollins868

5 жыл бұрын

They landed safely. The pilot was going to continue to taxi off the runway but ATC said it wasnt nessecarry, so it seems they had plenty of power and the confidence to move at least a little further to clear the runway.

@largol33t1

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know why people hate ATCs so much. Without them, the skies would be like a war zone. There was a scary recording of an ATC in Las Vegas who was for some unknown reason, left completely alone and collapsed because she had a stroke. The pilots could be heard trying to call for help and some were even seriously considering landing without permission because um, what choice did they have when they were low on fuel and probably couldn't make it to the next airport...

Great work by both ATC and the pilot - how do you stay calm flying a plane with its engine on fire .... mind control is powerful shit :)

@carlgois8579

5 жыл бұрын

It’s training. You react to the situation. Fly that dam airplane first. Keep it flying and go through emergency procedures. Then everything else second. When all is said and done the brave men and women of the sky land safely, that’s where it becomes reality.👍👍Good job pilots and atc

@j.thomas7128

2 жыл бұрын

What are the options? You do and try, you don't and die. No choice.

They're so nice too eachother omg

Thank you again for all your work.

Before dumping fuel comms were extraordinary good ..was there a change of seats during the home run?

Amazing professionalism all around. I know these folks train for this stuff but it’s a different world when it’s real life. The ability to work the problem, fly the plane, communicate with ATC and keep your cool is awe inspiring.

This was the only time I've picked up panic during an in airline flight emergency. The pilot on the radio did cool down and started taking it step be step, dumping fuel etc. the MTOW is 420,000 to 425,000 lbs, MLW is 320,000 lbs, they may need to dump up to 100,000 lbs of fuel taking what min 15-20 minutes min, a long time to keep the runway open. He said they were carrying 51,000 tons or 102,000 lbs of fuel or 15,260 gallons

@matthewkessler1153

7 жыл бұрын

I thought I saw the captioning say 53 tons?

@andytaylor1588

6 жыл бұрын

That's 53 METRIC TONNES, or 53, 000 kilos. Similar weight to American though, as 1 metric tonne = 1.1 Murican tone. The fire was extinguished, so the pilot was thinking more of properly landing at max with dumping, rather than direct to runway asap.

@batshevanivylerner8582

3 жыл бұрын

no panic, he's speaking quickly and definitively. He's a fighter pilot. They speak fast and don't get flustered by engine fires.

Nice video, feel good that everything fine. btw, are you going to make the vid about the crash in Peru? Keep up the good work, love your channel!! thx for the effort :D

5:50 i think he said "We are not ready for decent just yet"

@thomaspayne6866

5 жыл бұрын

J3AN P3T3R -- no he was talking to the stewardess. Said, “we’re not ready for dessert yet”. She has no gauge of the situation. She’s autistic.

@legohead6

5 жыл бұрын

sounds like a scene straight out of Airplane!

VASAviation - thanks for uploading such videos!

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching :)

It's raining fuel.... ALELUYA!!!

@theyoutubeguy1

5 жыл бұрын

Kids grab the buckets... its time living on an airports ILS has paid off!

@shaalis

3 жыл бұрын

The fuel (mostly) vapourizes when released. It gets suspended in the atmosphere and while it does eventually come to ground, it can also be carried by the winds and settle elsewhere. If you wanted to "dust" the ground with fuel you'd have to be flying very VERY low.

@ApollonDriver

3 жыл бұрын

No no, it's ELALuya

Cabin crew: "Allright, off with your shoes, we need to count soles"

@lauramorris6407

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget about any in hold baggage

Thanks for the upload

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching :)

Incredible.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻great job!

5:24 typo he said until he is done not back.

FINALLY! I've been waiting for this for so long! thank you so so so so soooooo much!!! I LOVE IT!!!! :D

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Here you go! :)

Air Canada 877..."Apparently is all god!" Praise be to Him!!!

The side conversation with ACA877 on this one shows a strong need for better coordination of resources during an emergency. Telling that pilot "no, we can't spare even one car to check your tire" put the pilot in the place of having to decide between making a landing that will leave debris on the runway, or taking a hold that will eat into his fuel reserves and possibly force him to divert, risking backlash from his employer, or declare an emergency of his own should his fuel state run too low. I'm glad to see at the end that someone realized it was stupid not to at least have a sweeper car check behind him, but come on...

@maverick7969

5 жыл бұрын

So I don't know much about flying but really what can be done from the ground if the tire is low?I guess what I'm saying is what would be done differently from a "normal" landing if the tire is low?

@pixurguy4915

4 жыл бұрын

@@maverick7969 The concern for the Air Canada flight would be the tire exploding when they landed. The debris from the tire could cause damage to the landing gear or cut hydraulic lines to the brakes which could cause all the brakes to not function. Leaking hydraulic fluid on hot brakes could cause a fire. These are some things that could happen so it would be prudent to have emergency vehicles present. Also it is a CYA (cover your ash). If something happens and you didn't request emergency equipment some lawyer will try to get rich off you.

They guy never answered the question how many souls on board.

@VASAviation

6 жыл бұрын

That's not a problem. Pilots are busy in the cockpit and ATCs are there to serve and help them.

@andytaylor1588

6 жыл бұрын

Could have all been vampires, including the flight crew.

@ydro11

4 жыл бұрын

In aviation, you go by priority. This info was not priority as for now. Plane is flying, fire seem out , since he drop fuel, so , as ATC, as the pilot, both they go by priority. Atc did his job asking, pilot did his job flying.This question should not be asked to a crew in a emergency situation anyway. Not the time at all.It get them to do something they dont have time for, and could be found out so easily by other ways.

So does the fuel evaporate at that elevation or does it go to the ground

@forevermash

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking that too, it it was dumped over some cities and Lake Simcoe.

VASAviation does such a great job with these videos that I hate to mention it, but.... This is not the first video I have watched where the transcript (subtitles) does not always match the words spoken in the audio. A small thing usually, but not in aviation, which is why clearances are always read back to the tower.

@garyhost354

3 жыл бұрын

English isn’t his first language so it’s understandable I guess.

So am I right in thinking there's two emergency landings coming in

@phoenixrising4573

5 жыл бұрын

The other was not an emergency at that point, just a low tire. While potentially dangerous, he wasn't declared, and was only concerned. High alert aircraft with a reported visual fire vs a "possible" issue..... the alert has to take priority. I've worked emergency services a long time..... sometimes you gotta prioritize

I am not a pilot but have spent a lot of time in military aircraft as a US Army combat medic, so sorry for the silly question. Is it safer to dump fuel while the engine is on fire, or is landing with a lighter load of fuel the better option (generally speaking, since this aircraft chose to dump fuel)?

@As_A________Commenter

Жыл бұрын

It is almost certain at that point the fire was contained with the fire suppressant bottles in the engine. If the engine is secured, the heavy weight of the plane would be the greater concern as it would increase the required landing distance and the brakes can overheat. Had the engine fire been uncontrollable, it would be more critical to land the plane even if it were overweight.

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@luuk341

7 жыл бұрын

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Thanks!

very nicely handled 👍👍

Where do I find new videos like this one? All I ever see are really old ones.

Flew right over my house (just west of Oshawa) :)

@radbcc

3 жыл бұрын

how was the fuel dump?

@jamminlori

3 жыл бұрын

Flew over mine at lake dalrymple

That atc is still waiting for souls on board to this day. But besides that, nice and clean job

It looked like it was ATC that reminded pilots about fuel dumping. Like they forgot.

@blueb0g

6 жыл бұрын

More likely they were routing for an immediate return, and then the fire indication went out so they decided to dump.

LOL the El Al pilots asked to keep the plane close to the airport, and yet he took him over 100-150 kilometres north of YYZ.

@johfertitta5233

5 жыл бұрын

....had to give him (and the Canadians on the ground below him) sufficient fuel dumping field...

@Z_TPI

4 жыл бұрын

I live north of YYZ, id prefer no jet a being dumped on my house lol

Question: Does dumped fuel evaporate prior to getting to the ground? If not, what sort of quantity lands in the most concentrated area?

@VASAviation

4 жыл бұрын

Vaporizes

Why do they let the the low pressure tyre plane which might mess up the runway land ahead of the El Al which declared mayday with engine on fire? Not safer to put the other in hold in case they're unable to complete the dump?

At 5:50 he said “and no, we’re not ready for descent just yet”

@drnogueiras8783

4 жыл бұрын

9:42 “so far, so good”

When an aircraft dumps fuel from that altitude what happens? Does it fall to the ground? Does it (stupid I know) burn up in the air?

@billdenny4309

4 жыл бұрын

Vaporizes, disperses into the atmosphere and falls to the ground in light concentrations. That's why he wasn't allowed to dump in the hold. Gotta spread it out.

"good to know" lmao

do you have the audio of the Australia Day Swan River Perth crash? The Grumman Mallard?

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, I do. It will be published soon.

I thought any international airport in North America. had to be able to respond to multiple emergencies?

@nickspanlopis9342

4 жыл бұрын

The other plane didn't declare an emergency.

Imagine being in the approved fuel dump path of an airport. Bet you dont find that in the Zillow listing lol

I know very little regarding aircraft. What happens to the fuel they dump? Does hit reach the ground?

@maxsdad538

3 жыл бұрын

It vaporized as soon as it his the atmosphere. and is dissipated over an area several hundred square miles.

"How many souls on board?" "Stand by for the souls on board" . . . . . "How many souls on board" "Wait, wha-"

Delta...fuel dump was done a few miles ago...

Anyone know what the rules are for fuel dumps? He didn’t let him dump in the hold, is that because of proximity with airport? Other traffic?

My friend was on that flight

I wondered why they didn't have El Al fly south, dump over Lake Ontario, and loop around back flying northeast to the runway they took off from. Seems less circuitous than the journey they wound up on. Is the whole of the western part of Lake Ontario a flight path where they can't dump fuel? Was the wind a factor?

@antonioarroyas7662

5 жыл бұрын

Most departures and arrivals at YYZ come in from over Lake Ontario. They vectored him north because that's were there is virtually zero traffic. During a fuel dump, the fuel vaporizes almost instantly. In an emergency there is no grantee that the aircraft will be able to maintain a set altitude. If a plane flies under a plane that is dumping fuel it can lead to an engine fire for the second plane. That flight path to the north kept the plane away from other traffic and also was over farmland. On the return path, they pass over Lake Simcoe. There is a city to the West of them but keeping them over the middle of the lake and straight down takes them over farmland. Arriving back at the airport from the North kept them away from any densely populated areas. If you look at a map on Google Earth and compare it to the flight path you can see why they were vectored on that specific path.

@maplegaming1355

4 жыл бұрын

Too much outbound/inbound traffic. A lot of it goes to Toronto Pearson, however, the traffic arriving into the Toronto Islands Airport (Just in front of the CN tower) also flies over lake Ontario.

A question for any aviation experts. When a plane dumps fuel, does it dissipate before reaching the ground or it hits the ground like rain? Thanks in advance.

@VASAviation

7 жыл бұрын

It dissipates (evaporizes actually) in seconds ;)

@johfertitta5233

5 жыл бұрын

It hits the ground like AIR.

Did ATC ever find out how many souls on board or he still waiting?

This thread is 2 years old and I just made it here. So, how many souls on board? Two years and still waiting?

Does the fuel partially evaporate over time? I understand it's important to reduce risk but wonder what it affects after being dumped.

@micahboswell6672

5 жыл бұрын

Most dissipate and very little would reach the ground when releasing from such height. ATC's are trained to direct traffic over unpopulated areas or large bodies of water to have as little impact as possible. Studies have shown the effect of the evaporated fuel vapours in the atmosphere is negligible assuming the fuel is highly volatile and both pilot and air traffic controllers have ensured that fuel dumping does not happen unless a specific altitude has been reached.

@ydro11

4 жыл бұрын

@@micahboswell6672 Every ounce of fuel will reach the ground. all of it will . fuel is heavier than air, so you think it will only fly around?

@dallassukerkin6878

3 жыл бұрын

@@ydro11 I'm not sure you are quite understanding what 'volatile' means in these circumstances. Jet fuel dumped at high altitude evaporates into an aerosol, aided by the low air pressure - the molecules will be floating around in the atmosphere, yes, but very little, if any of it, will reach the ground. Low altitude is a different matter. I forget the details (I'm an engineer, dammit, not a pilot :D) but one of the sorts of aviation fuel is less volatile so that would change things too.

@ydro11

3 жыл бұрын

@@dallassukerkin6878 sorry, you are wrong. In assuming what i do or dont understand, is first of all, wrong. Jet fuel dumping has to be done in coordination with ATS ( either ATC or FSS). That part is simple to me to understand, i was FSS. Fuel dumped in altitude will become aerosol. Indeed. But still is heavier than air. This aerosol will become the core of water droplet.(it absolutely need a particle of dust or something in air to agglomerate water. When enough water accumulate around dust (ORr in this case fuel particule) to be too heavy to remain in suspension in atmosphere, it will eventually fall down on earth. So you are right that fuel will become aerosol ,and that no fuel will eventually fall on the ground right underneat the dumping action, but with time, all of it will fall on the ground, carried down by water. (Liquid gaz or frozen)

@dallassukerkin6878

3 жыл бұрын

@@ydro11 Ahh, I see what you are saying :nods:. I won't argue against such a logical position :)

I can tell why it took this track for fuel dumping. It's over large hills mainly almost mountains and there's two lakes and there's not a lot of people as well this flew straight over my house and I was wondering why a plane was low heading north usually if they’re low they’ll be landing at a nearby general aviation airport or heading west to YYZ or south west to YTZ

@alanmacification

2 жыл бұрын

That fuel was dumped over the Kawartha Lakes, all those lakes are surrounded by cottages and farmland. Nice place to dump 50 tonne of Kerosene.

I'm thinking if there's an active fire get down immediately and heavy if that's the case. Unless fully fueled means impossible to land?

@galadato7425

3 жыл бұрын

They have to relese some fuel and the plane got so far from the airport cause he could not dump the fuel anywhere

@silverifications

3 жыл бұрын

Fully fueled doesn’t mean impossible, but does mean significantly more risky to land. Enough so that, if possible, dumping is the safest option overall. Given that they chose to take the time to dump, I’m guessing the fire was suppressed or mostly so by then.

Interesting that they only mention the engine fire once. Never asked if it was extinguished. Never stated that it was. I assume that fuel dump ports are far enough away from the engines that there's no risk of an engine fire igniting the fuel. True?

@pixurguy4915

4 жыл бұрын

Correct. The fuel jettison nozzles are on the back side of the wing about half way down the wing.

I want to meet that tower controller!

A Copilot died while landing in Albuquerque. Are you going to make a video about it?

@stevecooper2873

6 жыл бұрын

They can only "make a video" about events they have recorded, or are able to get the recordings of.

@amandam1137

6 жыл бұрын

steve cooper disinfo shill

@stevecooper2873

6 жыл бұрын

How exactly is that 'disinformation'? If the folks who post this stuff can't get the audio, they can't post. Unless you believe they sit around recording this stuff themselves with you in the basement ? Curious.

@maxsdad538

3 жыл бұрын

@@stevecooper2873 Ignore Amanda, Steve... that was the voices in her butt talking.

Looks like they're flying in a Duluth's Trading sock pattern

Anyone know why they have to dump fuel? Can they not land with that much weight or are they just reducing the fire risk??

@abbycerros3769

3 жыл бұрын

Combination of both I believe. The plane has to meet a minimum weight for landing but in this case I think it’s more so to decrease fire risk when landing. Same scenario happened in CA - plane flew in circles until it was able to dump most of its fuel

I was on that flight!!

How does fuel dumping work? Does it spread out so much that it's basically harmless to anyone on the ground? Do they intentionally do it over water?

@johfertitta5233

5 жыл бұрын

There's a dump nozzle on each side of the airframe; the fuel emerges in liquid state, but immediately begins to vaporize. By the time it reaches the ground, it's undetectable.

What happens when they dump fuel? Does it rain gas on whomever is on the ground below?

@cupcake5309

5 жыл бұрын

It evaporates mostly before reaching the ground

@cupcake5309

5 жыл бұрын

It mostly evaporates before ground

Any pics on this day?

Vas y VASA !

I don't think I'd be quite so calm when declaring that my engine is on fire....

@JasonHaines1974

3 жыл бұрын

True. The pilots do intensive training for exactly this scenario though.

@TransistorBased

2 жыл бұрын

You've got another one, you're okay.

Hi, Die Hard 2 fan here. Isn't dumping fuel while the engine is on fire a bad idea?

Awesome dump fuel in Lake Simcoe..

@Iam_Dunn

4 жыл бұрын

BULLOCK ...what does that matter? Have you ever stood at the narrows in Orillia and watched the hundreds and hundreds of boats that go through there per day? I think they put WAY more shit into the water then a bit of fuel from an aircraft.

@steelwarrior105

4 жыл бұрын

At at 10k feet jet fuel vaporizes at about 8k feet so its not as bad as it seems

YYZ to TLV with only 53 tons! Seems low..

They only count the souls, not the people What if there´s a heartless mofo on board. Is that a minus 1?

@davidreynolds8865

5 жыл бұрын

Or gingers....

@roboticfuzzball179

3 жыл бұрын

@@davidreynolds8865 ...fuck gingers

@linanicolia1363

3 жыл бұрын

That would be a psychopath and likely, there is at least one in every plane......maybe more. We still give them the benefit of the doubt and pretend they have a soul. The spirit world will handle that after they leave their organic bodies behind, to rot.

@roboticfuzzball179

3 жыл бұрын

@@linanicolia1363 nah, it's a ginger

@linanicolia1363

3 жыл бұрын

@@roboticfuzzball179 like Harry Windsor ? the one Meghan married ? she had him dye his hair.....What is it about these poor Ginger dudes ?