LOL at having 'Tyrek is a horse' is in there 🤣. Glidus' greatest achievement.

@GreyMagee74

25 күн бұрын

Hopefully, if they go with the game show idea, they can bring Glidus in to host it like he did a couple of years ago.

@eric2500

25 күн бұрын

He might not be a horse right NOW, he was only last seen a horse!

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

Until these comments I didn't realize a single person was responsible for that theory, what a LEGACY like if that were me I would never shut up about it. Legend material, honestly

@ginjamutha

25 күн бұрын

Glidus and Alt Shift X just recently got a shout out from GRRM in his Not A Blog so maybe that might be up there as well for greatest achievement 😊

@autje1970

25 күн бұрын

@@ginjamutha I missed that! Very cool. When these two do a live stream together, it's always brilliant fun.

God please make "Was this in the show or is this a bad fan theory" that would be straight up the best video on youtube

@Bookborn

24 күн бұрын

I'm sensing this might be a sensitive topic for people but it does sound fun for me, personally lmao

The reason "varys is a merman" is not there is because its not a theory.... Its the truth

@user-wu2br7cs7i

25 күн бұрын

Even if he is, what does it change? He's gonna give Bran legs in exchange for his warging powers like Ursula?

@WatashiMachineFullCycle

25 күн бұрын

Squishers rise up

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

Could someone please explain this theory to me I'm so interested

@IbbyMelbourne

25 күн бұрын

@@Bookborn yes, it's very simple, you see... have you ever seen Varys' feet? Didn't think so

@gabrielandrade9806

25 күн бұрын

@@Bookborn George likes his Lovecraft references... the old ones built the Black rocks scathered around planetos + merfolk are real and connected to that + varys is a mysterious mf = varys, whose feet are never shown, is actually a merman with an agenda. Least insane asoiaf theory

The great thing about the 'Aegon = Blackfyre' theory is the irony that the Blackfyres tried five rebellions, yet how do they get one on the throne? By pretending he is a Targaryen.

@timholland1764

25 күн бұрын

Also the nickname fAegon writes itself and is amazing...

@jessjess23brooks89

25 күн бұрын

​@@timholland1764 Writing the names fAegon and JonConn together is stupidly satisfying.

@Serch_YB27

25 күн бұрын

It also would fit perfectly with Varys speech of power, and how it just lies where people believe it should be.

@autje1970

25 күн бұрын

@@Serch_YB27 Indeed. And part of that is that I think he will look the part. There was a very interesting line on the last episode of HotD Season 1, when Otto brings terms to Dragonstone and says about Aegon II: "He has the conqueror's name, he has the conqueror's sword, he wears the conqueror's crown." I think these will all apply to fAegon too: he has the name, there already is a theory that Blackfyre is in the chest hat Illyrio sends with the crew on the Shy Maid, and Aegon's crown went conspicuously missing in Dorne. Perfect time to turn up! (the Martells have it)

@Bookborn

24 күн бұрын

Them Targaryen's really know how to get a throne lol! This is my favorite theory though, it's one I would've never thought of but also seems SO PLAUSIBLE that I've just bought into it.

The best part about this video is seeing Bookborn go through several stages of processing these theories, slowly but surely the fandom is clinically insane, then she realizes she’s being red pilled and following the same path, only to then realize that she might actually be a secret Targaryen herself

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

Truly a glow up for me

The evidence for Euron being a pupil of Bloodravens is that Euron mentions When he was a boy, he dreamt that he could fly, before saying “Perhaps we can fly. All of us. How will we ever know unless we leap from some tall tower?” Just like Bran did before having his fly or die dream, in which he is visited by the Three Eyed Crow. Euron also has one eye just as bloodraven does, both are Kinslayers and both are associated with Blood and Crows/Ravens, so it’s clear George is drawing some connection between them and could suggest that he was visited by Bloodraven in dream

@whitewolfofthewhills

24 күн бұрын

I legitimately think this theory is very likely to be true.

@PinkGrapefruit22

23 күн бұрын

There's also Bran in his fly or die dream looking down and seeing a pile of bones, hinting that there were many, many others before him who failed to "fly." It would also give some explanation to why Euron is so batshit insane, if he was having these wild visions at a young age.

@tomblaylock5850

18 күн бұрын

The connections are definitely not 'loose' like they said in video. Another thing is his other eye is dark red and he has a red eye on his banner crowned by two crows - Blood raven's eye is red and so too weirwoods (I think). I've also seen an argument that having a ship manned by mutes would be extremely difficult to manage. So him being a warg and controlling them makes sense. And warging isn't just "North magic" because it is implied the Farwynds have warging abilities.

@SuzakuX

4 күн бұрын

I think this is also another area where you can use the show as a sort of negative to guess where the book will go due to the obvious deviations. There is no Night King in the books, but Euron has Dragonbinder and Aeron's vision suggests him becoming a sort of god of death, raising wights from the charnel pits of Westeros, IIRC.

I blame Arstan Whitebeard for all these "this character is this other character" theories lol

@scottwerner279

25 күн бұрын

Well, and Varys

@LincolnMaurice

25 күн бұрын

He's the only POV character who's presented as something else, but there's plenty of others in story.

@NateThe_Great24

25 күн бұрын

Hey man, with the _dawn_ came Qhorin Halfhand. ARTHUR DAAAAAAAAYYNNEE

“I think Jons parents are Rhaeger and Lyanna” “And do you think that’s how you say his name?” LOL

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

yall will never let me know peace, truly

@LincolnMaurice

25 күн бұрын

What... "Jon"?

@joshuabarnard5702

24 күн бұрын

@Bookborn If it makes you feel any better, George himself has some cursed pronunciations of his own words. Like “Dothrak-AI”

@0ussama01

22 күн бұрын

Man is asking the pertinent questions 😂

Petition for a meeting between Bookborn, Glidus, Alt-shift X and his Arch-nemesis Alt Schwift X. Nothing would be more chaotic than 2 expert theorists talking to a ASOIAF theorist beginner.

@pyramidion5911

23 күн бұрын

Throw in the INC boys, and it's a party

@fedetrex

19 күн бұрын

Add quinn and fantasy haven as well

@johnnygreenface4195

11 күн бұрын

Alt shift and alt shwift can not be in the same stream. Bad things happen...

@TheTonyEntertainment

4 күн бұрын

​@@johnnygreenface4195 why?

@johnnygreenface4195

4 күн бұрын

@@TheTonyEntertainment if you have to ask, you shouldn't know

“ there is a sizable community that thinks Quinton is still alive” everyone say thank you preston 😂

@MetalJesus157

25 күн бұрын

He definitely could be...

@LincolnMaurice

25 күн бұрын

If he could bring back Tyrion and Arya back at their "death chapters", Quentyn is just as possible, if not likely.

@VMF-rj8qo

25 күн бұрын

I don't believe in the theory but also, mechanically, it's not very hard to imagine a circumstance that makes it sensible. It's not outlandish, I simply fail to see the purpose in it.

@morganhunt8051

25 күн бұрын

@@LincolnMaurice As ASX once said "George does have a tendency to do fakeout deaths with his characters. So based on that, itd be perfectly reasonable to think that Quentyn might be alive. BUT HERES THE IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE. After that chapter, we get a chapter where he is dying. And then dead!" and Glidus adds "And his friends go 'yep thats Quentyn and he's dead"

@MasterPoppers

24 күн бұрын

@@morganhunt8051 But Dany herself said "burnt bones prove nothing".

'All Walders are the same time-travelling Walder' is from the same April Fool's Glidus video that 'Tyrek is a Horse' is from (at least that's how the fandom knows these theories).

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

The more I learn about this Glidus person the more of a legend they sounds like

@autje1970

25 күн бұрын

@@Bookborn Note that these are not HIS theories. Search KZread for "Glidus april fools". It's a video where he plays a quiz with various well-known ASOIAF youtubers, and has them guess which theories are real and which are fake. It's hilarious, and you'll learn new crackpot theories.

@trisarathops

25 күн бұрын

@@Bookborn Omni-Walder is one that comes up surprisingly often with Glidus and Alt Schwift X, that Pictionary stream was fake theory gold 😂

@Fe22234

25 күн бұрын

The lines between "real" and "fake" theories are bluring

@thomasvrielink299

25 күн бұрын

@@Bookborn Then you'll surely be thrilled to learn you can check out the 5 multiple-hour livestreams of him and Alt Schwift X going through every single food description in the ASOIAF-series and giving them a ranking.

You know you are in too deep when you recognized all three theories from the thumbnail 😂😂

@mrloadinggame

25 күн бұрын

Tyrek is a horse, Bolt-on baby!!, D+D=TTTF(time travelin Tyrion fetus) We need TWOW!!

@jessjess23brooks89

25 күн бұрын

Yeah, we're down bad lol

@Bookborn

24 күн бұрын

It's too bad you can't put that on a resume, that's skill

There's a theory going around that George is going to finish Winds. Pretty outlandish if you ask me!

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

THIS ISN'T A THEORY!! IT'S CANON!!!!!!

@noemitamas4066

25 күн бұрын

That's nothing! Have you heard the one about him finishing A Dream of Spring? Now that's a straight up conspiracy theory! 😃

@jessjess23brooks89

25 күн бұрын

It's coming out in December. It is known. No, I'm not crazy. You're crazy. *Chugs wildfire*

@dgtlrn

25 күн бұрын

This is the year! It's got to be. It has to be

@henriquedaumas9934

24 күн бұрын

​@@jessjess23brooks89 no prince aemond noooooooo

Both kyles not getting the joke about their names😭

@pyramidion5911

25 күн бұрын

How square

@Bookborn

24 күн бұрын

I was laughing sooo hard while I was editing, the absolute SILENCE after I say that, devastating

"Why would the Measters want to get rid of the dragons?" Girl, have you seen what they do? Dragons are nukes/napalm, they are mobile war crimes. Death by dragon is described as perhaps the worst way to go. And due to their power they are a symbol and tool of tyranny. Getting rid of dragons might be the most noble cause in Westeros.

@tristainmyers458

25 күн бұрын

Not only that the dragons are the link of magic and prop up an incestuous magical dynasty

@scottwerner279

25 күн бұрын

Literally we will all get to watch in 4k the reason there shouldn’t be dragons now that HOTD is back on

@therecalcitrantseditionist3613

25 күн бұрын

While that is pretty true. Do you think thr maesters care about imposing tyranny? They are inextricably linked to the Faith. Who upended the Faith's rule? Targs with dragons. Throughout the history there was always this targ vs maester power struggle. So why wouldn't they want to destroy their adversaries biggest weapon?

@09hicktown

24 күн бұрын

If the dragons belonged to strict followers of the Seven who werent Valyrian who worshipped the institution of maesters then the maesters wouldnt have a problem with them existing. Targaryens not worshipping what the maesters believe they should is the problem, what the dragons represent means nothing because this is still a feudal system so technically tyranny is always present.

@LarthV

24 күн бұрын

@@09hicktown I am not sure if the maesters are actually into the Seven all that much. Not that it is not _possible_, since they are based in the same town and are both pets of the Hightowers, but the way the maesters are described does more imply an inclination towards anything supernatural _including_ the Seven.

Bookborn's final conclusion after all this: "The fandom's in a sad place." Lol

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

And I'm right there with ya'll, I'm quickly spiraling

@andrewplehn4805

25 күн бұрын

@@Bookborn It really doesn't take long!

@jessjess23brooks89

25 күн бұрын

It's like we're all going on a trip through the House of the Undying, except we never find the exit.

LEMONGATE 🍋 is real. Even in the Misery chapter 2 Lannister guards discuss how lemons dont grow in Braavos, even not in KL, just in the south

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

You don't have to tell me twice, I've already bought into lemon gate!

@LarthV

24 күн бұрын

@@Bookborn The fun thing is that the guy who popularised this theory, Preston Jacobs, is actually speaking about reaching out to you to talk to somebody with a fresh view on the series and talk about your experience reading it just recently the first time. So you might be in a great position to dig deeper into this one... Personally, I am on the same page as you with that: The situation with the lemons is _extremely_ suspicious, but some of the later conclusions Preston Jacobs presented in his original theory videos are a real stretch...

@jadex1058

6 күн бұрын

​@@LarthV PJ did a video interviewing Bookborn

@LarthV

4 күн бұрын

@@jadex1058 Yeah - but I was faster. Made that comment literally a day before the video came out 😅

A baby theory I love is that Jon's hair will turn white when he's resurrected (same as Stoneheart's) and he'll have the reddish cast to his eyes that Stoneheart does too. This will make him look more like a Targaryen, as well as resemble Ghost and the weirwoods.

@AprilMarvin

25 күн бұрын

It really pisses me off when people dismisses this theory saying it's outlandish. Like are you kidding me? Lady Stoneheart turned white. Theon, who doesn’t even have anything to do with magic turns white after his metaphorical resurrection and you are telling me that JON won't? Not only will his resurrection be much more magical than Lady Stoneheart but also it will be great hint toward his Targaryen lineage and he'd literally be the embodiment of the old gods and ghost; whose personality will marge with that of Jons. I think it would be ridiculous if Jon DIDN'T turn white.

@WatashiMachineFullCycle

25 күн бұрын

I 100% believe this is going to happen I also believe he's currently inside ghost and when he comes back he'll be more wolfish from being in him for so long

@warallied

25 күн бұрын

Martin said many times that if Jon was to be ressurected...it wouldnt be like he did in the show. Death isnt a small thing or "experience". you dont come back the same.

@WatashiMachineFullCycle

25 күн бұрын

​@@waralliedthis exactly, We've seen it with Berric as well. Death changes you. I wouldn't be surprised actually if we no longer got Jon POVs after this.

@dogman6687

25 күн бұрын

Why does this not happen to Beric, then? I think that only happened to Stoneheart because a significant amount of time had passed, the body started to decompose. The longer you wait to resurrect, the less of the person will be there when they come back. It all depends on how long Jon’s body is waiting around imo

Something that i think goes overlooked a lot with the Grand Maester conspiracy is the context of Marwin's line about "who do you think killed all the dragons last time around?". He says it RIGHT after telling Sam that the Citadel would have killed Aemon if he made it to Oldtown. I think the line is more likely to be using "dragons" to refer to Targaryens, and its a reference to the maesters causing the downfall of the dynasty in general, not specifically the scaly fire doggos

@jesusHchristofwellington

24 күн бұрын

I get what you're saying but with there not being any targs near the end of the dynasty that u could even really speculate that the maesters killed i think and the fact that unlike the actual dragons the targs never went extinct i think Marwin was probably referring to the firebois, if George was going for what ur saying id say he'd have used something vaguer like "who do you think brought down the dragons last time"

@morganhunt8051

24 күн бұрын

@@jesusHchristofwellington that’s fairc I think my interpretation is still reasonable with the phrasing “killed” because it’s right after he talks about how Aemon would have been “killed”. There’s no reference of the Maesters killing dragons “”this time around”” but there is mention of them killing a Targaryen “”this time around””

@filipferencak2717

12 күн бұрын

​@@jesusHchristofwellingtonWhat do you mean? There's plenty of Targaryens you could speculate on maesters helping to take out. It's just that they use the Kimdisi philosophy, aka "your enemy has an enemy." Meaning, they are not going to directly poison them, they'll just create conflicts or misunderstandings that might get them killed. Oh and also if the Targ in question is doing sth stupid, they might wanna encourage that, so long as it's not harmful to their other interests.

About the Aegon Blackfyre theory, there's tons more of foreshadowing. In a Brienne chapter in a FFC, there's a conversation with Septon Meribald where he talks of a black dragon iron sigil that was thrown into a river, and some time later one of the dragon's heads came back, red with rust. This can be interpreted as a black dragon (a Blackfyre), coming back to Westeros seeming to be a red dragon (a Targaryen). There is also a conversation where Tyrin asks Illyrio about why the Golden Company broke his contract with Myr, and he responded "Some contracts are written in ink, some in blood", hinting at the purpose the Golden Company was formed for. And finally, George read a Tyrion chapter in 2005, where Tyrion is listening to Illyrio and Haldon Halfmaester speak in High Valyrian, and he catches only a few words, one of them sword, probably meaning Blackfyre, the sword of the Targaryen kings that was given to Daemon Blackfyre and after his death travelled to Essos with Bittersteel and the Golden Company. There's tons more, this is one of the main accepted theories I would say.

@PhosPhryne

24 күн бұрын

Except we're told outright that Aegon is just Aegon at the end of Dance... By a character who had literally no reason what so ever to lie - except to the reader, which is just bad writing.

@exactemphasis

19 күн бұрын

I would say the biggest evidence in favor of this one is the fact that the first detailed description of the blackfyres we get in asoiaf is the same chapter as the first mention of young griff

@FlameQwert

18 күн бұрын

aegon blackfyre is like one of those theories thats like, 99% likely to be true with ALL the foreshadowing

@PhosPhryne

18 күн бұрын

@@FlameQwert Except we're told outright that Aegon is just Aegon at the end of Dance... By a character who had literally no reason what so ever to lie - except to the reader, which is just bad writing.

My favorite theory that I truly believe and really hope is true is that the wizard guy in the cave (Bloodraven) is NOT the three eyed crow that Bran sees in his dreams. When Bran asks Bloodraven if he is the three eyed crow, Bloodraven is confused, and thinks Bran is talking about the nights watch. The children of the forest also don’t refer to him as the three eyed crow, but instead as the last greenseer, and don’t seem to know what the three eyed crow is. Same with Coldhands, he calls him the last greenseer. In Bran’s dreams, there’s the three eyed crow, but there’s also the heart trees calling to him. This is actually bloodraven. Also why have bloodRAVEN be the three eyed CROW. GRRM almost definitely created the backstory for bloodraven after the three eyed crow existed already, so why make him associated with ravens and not crows. Bloodraven is always warging into ravens, like teaching Bran to fly, Mormont’s raven, or the ravens in Theon’s sample chapter. The 3EC is future Bran, visiting his younger self to guide him on his journey of becoming a greenseer

@praetorxyn

25 күн бұрын

100% this. I'm baffled people miss this. It's so obvious.

@Levacque

25 күн бұрын

Think about how confused Bran was when Jojen told him Bran appeared as a winged and chained wolf in his green dreams. People don't know what their dream avatar looks like, that's why Bloodraven was surprised - "Three-Eyed Crow" is not a phrase he would have heard before. Not to mention that Bran unknowingly uses terms that intimately describe Bloodraven's past lives as spymaster and Night's Watchman . That combined is enough to be caught off guard without him needing to be a whole new character.

@jaimelannister1797

25 күн бұрын

@@Levacque but what about the heart trees in Bran’s dreams calling to him. I can’t remember which chapter exactly it is but Bran has a dream where the heart tree is calling to him, and the three eyed crow is trying to turn him away from the heart tree. They’re in conflict with each other. Plus the three eyed crow flies around in Bran’s dreams and pecks at him. In Bran’s first dream he asks the 3EC if he’s really a crow, and the crow acknowledges the question with “are you really falling?” So it should be aware that it’s a crow in Bran’s dreams

@jessjess23brooks89

24 күн бұрын

It's also a connection to Euron who calls himself Crow's Eye. It could be Bran, it could be a force darker than Bloodraven contacting both Bran and Euron. Maybe Bran is that darker force in the future.

@praetorxyn

24 күн бұрын

@@jessjess23brooks89 Euron also has that speech about how do we know we couldn’t fly unless we jumped from a tall tower to see, and he mentions dreams of flying as a child or something like that. This indicates he’s either the crow himself or more likely associated with it.

I am here to pester about Glidus’ “Fake aSoIaF Theories” come, descend the abyss with us. The Tyrek bit a amazing but there are other amazing theories such as: “Robert Strong is just a new guy.” “The chief undergaelor of The Red Keep is secretly the High Sparrow.”

@readbykyle3082

25 күн бұрын

Robert Strong is just a new guy never stops being absolutely hilarious

@Bookborn

24 күн бұрын

I came here to comment but I see Kyle already said it - Kyle actually told me that one after I finished dance lol it's so funny

@kingdancekiller

24 күн бұрын

@@readbykyle3082 I think the best comment is “whoever came up with the Robert Strong thing has the most anti-theory mindset ever.”

About Euron: He says in the kingsmoot that he had a dream where he fell off a tower and could fly, as a child. That is very similar to Bran's story, and that is the connection between Brynden and Euron.

@Otsego

25 күн бұрын

Indeed. This is likely where his Crow symbolism came from. He also has a lot of literary parallels to Blood Raven. The other evidence for possible Warg/Green magic is his ship. The Silence is crewed by mutes. All slaves who's tongues have been removed. There must be some form of deeper communication as they never show any kind of sign language but are in lock step with each other. Also the Iron Islands quite possibly descend from the First men like the Starks. As far as Regional magic goes, there are many who blend or try to collect different forms. Marwyn the Mage is the best example of this but Blood Raven himself was a mix of Targaryen dragon magic and Blackwood northern warg/greenseer magic.

@IbbyMelbourne

25 күн бұрын

Yeah, I'll be honest, the Bloodraven connections with Euron are kind of on-the-nose, it's really not just a crazy theory.

@WatashiMachineFullCycle

25 күн бұрын

Yes, this is the strongest evidence to me that Euron and Bloodraven have a connection. The other stuff is supplementary. I'm on the fence about him warging but there are enough breadcrumbs there (the chilling prologue of dance, the fact that he cuts the tongues of his crew so they can't tell anybody, ect) but it's not enough to fully convince me just yet

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

My Euron disdain was mostly for the Daario connection - these parallels are MUCH more fascinating tbh and I wouldn't deny those like directly out of line. We were focusing on the sillier ones - like Euron is in the dusky woman, which seems far fetched to me in a way these theories you are discussing, don't.

@WatashiMachineFullCycle

25 күн бұрын

I think there's a very very VERY slim chance that he could warg into the dusky woman just because he's a sicko pervert that likes to fixate on his brothers But I don't think George is going that route

Honestly my favorite theory is Frey pies, which is basically that Wyman Manderly captured two of Walter Frey"s sons (I forgot their names), and when he serves the pies to the Freys, they actually have his sons baked into them

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

Oh I felt this is canon, while reading I knew something was cooked into those pies and was informed who it was. Seems very clear to me!

@joeyken81

25 күн бұрын

@@Bookborn Then he asked for the Rat Cook song to be played by lovely old Abel

@blackeyedlily

21 күн бұрын

@@BookbornYes. I look through the comments to make sure someone mentioned this, as it is associated with your thoughts on the breaking of guest rights will have serious consequences for the Freys. I hope someone has also told you that the Red Wedding is something that Martin found inspiration from two historical events from Scotland that involved the slaughter of guests when Scottish Clans were warring factions. One was called the Black Dinner and the other was the Massacre of Glencoe.

One Lysa theory, posited by David Lightbringer, is that she was addicted to the Milk of the Poppy. This addiction was supplied and nourished by Littlefinger, to further foster her dependence upon him. The evidence for this is emphasized by the relatively late breastfeeding that we're shown. Sweet Robin has been getting a downstream dosage of Milk of the Poppy for YEARS, which explains his unexplained symptoms. They're withdrawal symptoms, that are getting worse now that Lysa isn't breastfeeding him anymore. It's also why Petyr is having Alayne give him more Milk of the Poppy than the Maester would sign-off on. Lil dude has a built-up tolerance for the drug through repeated exposure over an extended time. There's nothing magical going on with him.

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

Were we expecting something magical going on with robert?I just always assumed he was a spoiled/pampered kid who also had a health issue. That being said, the withdrawl idea is a super interesting one; although Lysa never seemed particularly sleepy to me so I don't know how milk of the poppy works into it.

@connoraslett2836

25 күн бұрын

I definitely think it’s possible Sweet Robin has green dreams or is magical in some way. For me it was when he heard Marillion’s cries and no one else in the Eyrie did. I then thought back and realised he sits on a weirwood throne, it isn’t much really at all but I like the idea that like his cousin he’s got a drop of magical blood in him. Edit: I also find it odd that a frail young kid can survive the amount of sweetsleep he’s consumed. We’re told by Maester Coleman that the quantities have to be exact as it’s deadly in larger doses. Sweet Robin chugs it down often to no problem, he’s having his green dreams suppressed. I wear my tin foil hat proudly so take this with a grain of salt lol

@WatashiMachineFullCycle

25 күн бұрын

Lysa and sweet robin are so fascinating, and I love David's ideas there. I think Littlefinger is messing with his dosages so he can kill him off at a time of his choosing without putting any suspicion on himself. If anything goes awry he can EASILY blame Maester Coleman.

My favorite plausible theory (head cannon in my mind) is that during the purple wedding Littlefinger acted alone, posioned the pie (not the wine) and his tatget was Tyrion, not Joffrey, and he just rolled with it once Sansa explained what happened and he heard the bells signaling the king was dead. It makes way more sense as LF needs Tyrion dead for many reasons: 1) He wants Sansa single (to marry her either to himself or to Harry). 2) Tyrion claimed he knows who killed Jon Arryn and LF heard 3) Tyrion knows about the dagger incident 4) Tyrion didnt fulfill his promise of the Sweet Robin - Myrcella marriage pact while being hand. 5) LF actually was the one that hired the jousting darwves, something that was sure to cause conmotion and a conflict between Tyrion and Joffrey 6) I think even if Olenna was the mastermind, the pie was poisoned and not the chalice as we were told that Margaery was drinking from that

@swaggerdagger5168

25 күн бұрын

Well I mean, what about the whole thing with Sansa’s hairnet though

@Serch_YB27

25 күн бұрын

@@swaggerdagger5168 yeah the dontos and the hairnet part would still be the same, I just don't see Olena involved. Yeah, she touched the hairnet, but I think that could be a red-hering and during the commotion of the jousting and the pie another LF crony could've grabbed the poison unnoticed.

I enjoy the "Quentyn is alive" theory, just because it'd be insane if Quentyn not only survives, but claims one of the dragons.

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

That would be wild, but I just LOVE the idea of him being like "I have targaryan blood! time to go get a dragon!" and then being burnt to a crisp, like the comedy, it's perfect.

@poppag8281

24 күн бұрын

didn't prestan jacobs create the "quintin is alive" theory?

@MasterPoppers

24 күн бұрын

@@poppag8281 I think he just gave it more life. I don't know if he was the original author of the theory. Dornish Master Plan was all him, though.

19:06, little correction, the Blackfires died out ( _in_ _the_ _male_ _line_ ) in the 5th Blackfire rebellion when Barriston Selmy killed Maelys the Monsterous, not when Daemon Blackfire died in the first rebellion, or else there wouldn't have been four more!

@Bookborn

24 күн бұрын

I need to reread dunk and egg and fire and blood before I'm smart enough for this fact to mean much to me, because at this point I couldn't have answered any question about these rebellions even at gunpoint ☠

@nzcamel3

24 күн бұрын

​@@Bookborn also check out the World of Ice and Fire as it goes over events that will be in Fire & Blood part 2, though in lesser detail. It talks more of the Blackfyre rebellions. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_of_Ice_%26_Fire

@gokbay3057

23 күн бұрын

​@@nzcamel3 Worldbook my beloved.

The pigeon theory was wayyyy better when it was Ned wargs into the pigeon that Arya kills😂

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

This has vision 😂

@Ashley-ivy

25 күн бұрын

@@Bookborn the best part about this theory is that (at least in the show scenes I've seen it based on) Arya kills the pigeon before Ned dies. Not only is he a pigeon warg, he's a time-travelling pigeon warg. 10/10 theory, absolutely perfect

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

@@Ashley-ivy idk why but the time traveling never gets less funny (although I had a chat with Preston this week that shook me to my core about how time traveling is like...actually present in the series so maybe I shouldn't laugh too much about time traveling fetus' and pigeons!)

@gokbay3057

23 күн бұрын

​@@Bookborn Oh, you had a chat with Preston? Did he bring up George's other work?

@TheTonyEntertainment

4 күн бұрын

​@@Bookborn what did you think about Preston?

What about Alleras = Sarella? Patchface is a prophet of the Drowned God. Also: Bloodraven sent the direwolves and is warging Ghost in particular. In AGoT, Jon only finds Ghost because as the Starks are leaving the site of the Direwolf mother's carcass, Jon (only Jon) hears a sound. So he goes back and finds Ghost, a bit of a distance away from where the other wolf cubs were. Thing is...Ghost is mute. He doesn't make a sound. Ever. Also: Luwin does talk about his valyrian chain in Clash.

@sammcclure1553

24 күн бұрын

I put Alleras = Sarella almost into the Sandor = Gravedigger category. It isn't quite confirmed, but once you know what you're looking for, there's a ton of evidence to support it and it likely just hasn't been revealed yet.

The Euron bloodraven connection theory is actually pretty solid I think, its more than just eyes and crows. And it helps make sense of the eldritch arcane threat that is Euron.

@jessjess23brooks89

25 күн бұрын

Yup. Magic overlaps a ton in the text. Bloodraven is the very embodiment of that. But it wouldn't even have to overlap. Warging isn't just a Stark trait, but a Northern and wildling trait. Most Northmen and wildlings have first men lineage. Bloodraven gets his warging abilities from family lineage from the one of the few first men left below the neck. The Iron Islands has first men origins. To really plug into the theory, it's thought bloodraven put out his feelers, tapped Euron and backed all the way off when he realized how horrible he is. Euron looks all over the world and into all religions to find a way to tap into that power again and instead finds many different ways to commune with many different "gods".

The Maester Lewin Valerian Steel Link scene was in the books. I think that is where he talks about the students being locked in a room and trying to light glass candles, but they only cut their hands.

@kingdancekiller

25 күн бұрын

Was going to comment this.

@Bookborn

24 күн бұрын

Thanks for the clarification!!!

@f_f_f_8142

24 күн бұрын

You are right, Luwin tells Bran about his valyrian steel link in ACoK Bran IV, but he does not mention the glass candle. Trying to light the glass candle is something all maesters go through separate from forging a valyrian steel link.

God i wish you got Glidus for this, specifically for Tyrek!😂

@Bookborn

24 күн бұрын

I just found out about them today and I cannot believe they have popularized so many legendary and hilarious theories, I'm in awe

@sammcclure1553

24 күн бұрын

@@Bookborn I believe he's also the one who came up with the Omni-Walder theory.

One of my favourite theories is that Sweet Robin is the son of Lysa and Littlefinger. It is fairly obvious that that old Jon Arryn had fertility problems with his multiple wives and all. Additionally, Sweetrobin resembles Baelish much more than the handsome, strong, blonde Jon Arryn. Not only is this theory plausible, it has some very fun ramificatons. I like to think that Jon Arryn was killed because he was snooping around, trying to uncover the parentage of Tommen, Myrcella and Joffrey and it just hit a bit too close to home for Littlefinger. In fact, maybe he figured it out and his famous last words "The seed is strong" was actually referring to Robin!! (ok, thats definitely a stretch). It's also just so sick and twisted (and totally GRRM) for Littlefinger to poison his own son with "sweetsleep" It also kinda makes the Alayne story a fun ironic twist of itself! Sweet Robin wants to marry Alayne, but Alayne tells him that it isn’t proper for a noble like him to marry a bastard. If Sweet Robin is Littlefinger’s son, then that statement becomes true, but in the opposite direction. Alayne, who is the actual noble Sansa posing as Littlefinger’s daughter, couldn’t marry the bastard Sweet Robin, who is actually Lysa and Littlefinger’s bastard son. What do you think?

@nolangerrans6083

16 күн бұрын

Yeah this is another one of my personal favorites

On the fake Blackfyre theory, my personal favourite idea is that Aerion Brightflame's descendant was meant to be the "mummer's dragon", so likely the fake Aegon. This is because a) Hedge Knight introduces this new Brightflame faction, including its own unique arms b) Brightflame is mentioned several times in ACOK, which is of course where we see the "mummer's dragon" first mentioned. I like this because it fits with his gardener mentality. He started writing about the Blackfyres, found them more compelling, and then phased out the Brightflame mentions in favour of the Blackfyres. People have also been theorising that Aegon isn't dead since the first book. I 100% believe in Jojen paste. Bran III in ADWD is such a dark chapter, there's so many different times that cannibalism is brought up throughout his story, and it completely fits within the idea of sacrifice being required for magic. This is especially true for Old Gods magic, where people would leave human sacrifices on the weirwoods. All the signs point to it being true, in my opinion.

@WatashiMachineFullCycle

25 күн бұрын

Oooh I've never thought about the Brightflame twist, I really like that even though I do think it's heading for Blackfyre origins instead, but that very much fits George's gardener mentality I totally agree

@Levacque

25 күн бұрын

Jojen Paste is the kind of thing that your forebrain naturally rejects at first because it's so unpleasant, but once you give it a chance you realize it's the only possibility. It took me about two weeks to come to terms with it, same with my friend when I told him. We hung out and I told him, he thought it was ridiculous, then he brought it up two weeks later unprompted. Jojen Paste gets into your psyche and opens your mind to the truth, just like it did with Bran.

@maxt5319

25 күн бұрын

@@Levacque That's a very good way of putting it. It's a very dark outcome for Jojen and for Bran. Jojen has lived his life knowing his death and what will happen, so it adds a layer of horror on top of the entire thing. GRRM is a very accomplished horror writer, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if Jojen paste is true, I certainly think it's the most likely outcome. There's a scene in Fevre Dream, a vampire horror novel that GRRM wrote, which is so awful that I honestly can expect anything from him. If you've not read it, give it a try.

@joshuabarnard5702

24 күн бұрын

Also, with “the mummer’s dragon”, there is also the historical inspiration from the War of the Roses of Perkin Warbeck claiming to be the presumed dead Prince Richard. So I think George always planned for there to be someone claiming to be Aegon. Whether that person was a Brightflame, a pisswater prince, or (as he likely later settled on) a Blackfyre.

@pyramidion5911

23 күн бұрын

I think I may be the only person who believes the mummers dragon is actually Daenerys.

George does have a “Wiki guy” and gal, too - Elio and Linda. They wrote most of The World of Ice and Fire. George in interviews has said he calls Elio when he has to remember details and lore about a character or house that he’s bringing back into the story. He said Elio has an encyclopedic knowledge of his world.

@readbykyle3082

25 күн бұрын

Yeah, I misunderstood what she was asking until we already had moved on 😂 I was thinking more like story beats and not details

@Bookborn

24 күн бұрын

I'm very relieved to hear this tbh lol

@TheTonyEntertainment

4 күн бұрын

​@@Bookborn because Elio could finish the books instead? 😉

I love the “a horse“ theories because once you read the first one you kind of realize how many times George says someone is “a horse” and of course we all know what he saying, but you really can’t unread it like that after a certain point imo 😂

@Bookborn

24 күн бұрын

Oh it's absolutely horrible, I will never read that word the same again, it'll be like a beacon every time it's used

To be fair, BOLT-ON was an extremely tongue-in-cheek reddit post deliberately making fun of elaborate and farfetched theorizing on the site 😂 it was all about showing how mundane pieces of information collected directly from the source could be assembled with reasonable logic into an unhinged and unreasonable theory.

Little does she know that there is an entire corner of the fandom that plays a gameshow based on creating a new unhinged theory every week

An "important" part of the Bolt-On theory is that Roose says he was going to kill Ramsay as a baby until he saw his grey eyes, which match Roose's own. So a common version of it includes that for some reason the face stealing doesnt change the eyes so Roose needed an heir with matching eyes.

@ncorva

23 күн бұрын

I was going to mention this but wanted to check if someone had addressed it before. Yes it's absolutely an important detail!

@estebang1779

11 күн бұрын

To add to that, Domeric's death is attributed to Ramsay, but it doesn't fit his usual MO. So the theory goes he had different colored eyes, so Roose got rid of him like he got rid of all the babies buried under the Dreadfort.

About tyrion's hair: It's actually described in the first book that Tyrion's hair is "so blond it seems white".

@eric2500

25 күн бұрын

...with black hairs throughout -like goth boy from Dorne!

@jessjess23brooks89

25 күн бұрын

I fully subscribe to the Tyrion=chimera theory. Meaning he was a twin and one twin had Tywin's DNA and the other had Aerys. Tyrion then absorbed the other twin. It's crazy, but one of those crazy things that goes way off the edge and circles back to plausible.

@Bookborn

24 күн бұрын

I'm so torn about this one. On the one hand, really fascinating if Tywin's disdain is in part because Tyrion isn't actually his son, and also just being a Targaryen has a lot of impact on the story. On the other hand, I feel like that might be a repetitive theme considering we have something similar with Catelyn/Jon and I'm not sure it would really help Tyrion's character arc in interesting ways.

@kushmon9992

24 күн бұрын

​@@Bookborn I subscribe to this theory. I think the similarities Tyrion has with Jon actually give it strength. Both are raised by men not their biological fathers but are still their sons. Jon takes Neds values and Tyrion is said to be Tywins son. Theme of Nature vs Nurture. Tyrion=targ is also needed for Dany and the three headed dragon prophecy from Rhaegar. Also Jon, Dany, Tyrion mothers all died in childbirth.

@LarthV

24 күн бұрын

@@Bookborn I think there is also the "intermediate" theory that Tyrion is what is called a "chimaera", i.e. in the womb he was created with both Aerys and Tywins sperms involved - something that apparently happens in nature, albeit very rarely. That way you can have _both_: Him being a Targaryen to a certain degree (and thus able to interact with dragons more safely, for instance), and being the son and killer of Tywin...

i’m so happy you ended up making this video! You can join the song of ice and fire theory brain rot with the rest of us haha. going 12 years + without a sequel certainly can do something to the theorists.

Hotpie is the prince who was promised!

@PristianoPenaldoSUIIII

25 күн бұрын

Born amidst salt and smoke, much like the pies he bakes

@jessjess23brooks89

25 күн бұрын

But also Ser Pounce.

@davidjones272

18 күн бұрын

It is known

My favorite theory yall didnt talk about is probably the Grand Northern Conspiracy. I also love the Night Lamp and Red Wedding 2.0 theories.

@readbykyle3082

25 күн бұрын

I messaged her right after and was like "can't believe we forgot to talk about the Grand Northern Conspiracy"! That's my favorite theory 😭 it's probably why I forgot to talk about it because to me it's not a theory lmao it's real

YESSSS im so happy you're going deeper down the rabbit hole. Thank you for this video!

Sam's latest chapter is 19 years old. You know what's even crazier? Dany has been in Meereen since the Clinton administration.

You should watch David Lightbringers symbolism videos, it really shows how much attention to detail George has about everything he writes

@WatashiMachineFullCycle

25 күн бұрын

Seconded! Sometimes David gets a little lost in the sauce but for the most part he's incredibly knowledgeable about both real world mythology and ASoIaF lore. A lot of his theories are SOLID

@levilevi9621

25 күн бұрын

Yeah imo he’s the best overall theory crafter even if some of his stuff gets a little out there.

@Oximb

25 күн бұрын

He's sort of the worst in the fandom, spreading a problematic rule: the more far-fetched the theory, the more likely it is to be true.

@WatashiMachineFullCycle

25 күн бұрын

​@@OximbI've been watching David for years now and I don't remember him ever saying this? Not to tell you that you're wrong in case I'm forgetting something, and he does like to explore some far out stuff but I don't remember him saying that, or being toxic at all tbh

@jeffbachman2949

25 күн бұрын

​@@Oximbhe was also ya accused of sexual harassment

"The fandom is in a sad place" no you don't get it Bookborn, whenever one of those batshit insane theories come out the fandom has such good fun, it's one of the best things about this fandom LMAO

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

lol I know I was just being glib! I love the theories tbh that's my favorite type of fandom fun!

@reginaldkenneth47

24 күн бұрын

@@Bookborn Haha I welcome you to our collective delusional party in hell with open arms!

Oh man I've been WAITING FOR THIS ONE!! An HOUR long?? WHAT A TREAT

Regarding Tyrion Targaryen and his blonde hair: When Jon meets Tyrion he says his hair is "so blond it seemed white", so his hair does seem like it could be Targaryen silver mistaken for blonde. While Tyrion Targaryen could be a big end series reveal and there is some decent evidence for it, I'm personally on the side of there being no answer and it's purposely ambiguous. Tywin died saying he never believed Tyrion was his son, but he couldn't prove it. Tyrion saying that he is "[Tywin] writ small" is GRRM telling us it doesn't matter who Tyrion's biological father is, Tywin was his real father regardless. I think knowing either way would spoil that a little.

I’m 100% onboard with the “Aegon is a Blackfyre” theory, and also 100% convinced that prior to coming up with the concept of the Blackfyre rebellions, the Targaryen Pretender (hinted at in the House of the Undying vision) was supposed to be a Brightflame, descended from Aerion Targaryen after he departed Westeros in the first Dunk and Egg novella.

@gokbay3057

23 күн бұрын

Yup, before Blackfyres were a thing George was focusing on Brightflames as the shady Targ cadet branch.

Im pretty sure i lost braincells going over all of these theories again But Seven Hells did we make some good content out of it

@LoreoftheWorlds

25 күн бұрын

Also I'm very disappointed you didn't put something embarrassing up on my greenscreen

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

I'm so ashamed of myself

About Euron: I dont believe Euron is Daario, but to be fair to the theorists out there who do, Euron cant just force himself on Dany. She has an army, she has guards, she has dragons. Also, Euron ABSOLUTELY would pretend. Hes pretending all the time hes with the ironborn. In "The Forsaken" he reveals his plans to Aeron who is a prisoner and about to die. But in the whole series we get references to him showing his smiling eye while he keeps his crows eye hidden. He didnt win the ironborn over by telling them he killed Balon (fuck you show btw), he didnt win them over by promising them hes going to turn into a dark god. He won them over by promising them conquest. Theres actually some hints that Euron could be a skinchanger. The main reason I believe that he skinchanges regularly is that his whole crew is mute. Which would raise a lot of questions on how they manage to deal with basically anything on the ocean if hes not skinchanging his crew. The dusky woman specifically? Well, she is just as mute as Eurons crew, so... On a more serious note, I dont think we have enough to figure out whats her deal yet, but she does seem to be more than a regular spy for now. The most noteworthy thing she does is her agressive reaction to Moqorro, the red priest, coming on board. I am convinced we will find out why she has such an antipathy to him. The main evidence for the three eyed crow messaging Euron is Euron mentioning him dreaming about flying from a tall tower to Victarion. When he woke up he couldnt fly, or so the maester would have him believe. But what if he was lying? This is basically one to one mirroring Brans experience when he has the dream with the three eyed crow and Luwin telling him it was just a dream. Bran also sees the bones of previous dreamers in his vision, so we know that the three eyed crow tried to find a successor many times. Not to mention that it is canon that some ironborn can skinchange. So Euron could be one of the skinchangers. Last but not least, why would Euron, son of Quellon, brother to Balon, Victarion and Aeron even start to become interested in magic rituals? By the time he was born, magic was basically nonexistant in Westeros. Wouldnt it make much more sense for him to live his life as some kind of Ramsay Bolton, torturing his family, raping and pillaging villages on the coast, basically being just a more cruel "basic" ironborn? Euron might not be Daario, but im convinced that he is Urrathon Night-Walker btw.

@Aurelian_-vu3yz

25 күн бұрын

Yeah, there’s pretty ample evidence for Euron being a failed version of Bran.

@joshuabarnard5702

24 күн бұрын

I also don’t agree with Euron=Daario, but I was laughing at the video because Euron’s whole deal is his “smiling eye” and pretending to being suave and charismatic and manipulating people. The best instance of this is Falia Flowers, who Euron seduces and gets Falia to believe that Euron genuinely loves her and she’ll be his wife…for literally no reason. Other than to break her soul. Euron could have just raped Falia to get her pregnant with a baby with king’s blood to sacrifice. There was no reason to actually rizz her up. So it’s very much within Euron’s character to pretend to be Daario. Even though that’s probably not the case.

This is the quality content I expect from someone who just read ASOIAF, I need to revive my own experiences in order to have the little fix to go on through my day.

Thank you for posting such long form content! I’m sure it must have been hard work. Thank you!

“All Walders are the same time traveling Walder” is a fake theory that Glidus made up for his April Fools quiz show in 2022

Lemongate is a very deep rabbit hole and can go in different directions depending on your perspective. But the crux of it is that Dany's memories of her childhood can't really be trusted. And that point is inarguable.

My favorite theory that wasn't mentioned? Both are Winds theories, one is that Obara Sand is going to team up with Darkstar and Euron to sack Oldtown, and the other is the Nightlamp theory, or that Stannis is going to sink the Frey army using a false beacon.

@WatashiMachineFullCycle

25 күн бұрын

I am FULLY on the Nightlamp theory train, and it's going to be awesome

I will die on the hill that Euron is both a warg and former student of Bloodraven, or at least Bloodraven contacted Euron through his dreams. There are references to Ironborn being able to warg into seals and whales (I believe it’s the Farwynds of Lonely Light but I could be wrong) so it’s not just a Northern magic but First Men specifically, or at least that’s how I view it. But even then Targs/Valyrians seem to be able to warg their dragons or at the very least have a psychic connection. Also Euron’s ship the Silence is crewed by mutes and it would be impossible to man a ship without communication so I believe he wargs his crew. With regards to Bloodraven. In a Victarion chapter after the Kingsmoot, Euron tells Vic about a dream he had when he was younger that sounds almost identical to Bran’s awakening after his fall from the tower. Then there’s the surface level connections with crows and all that but I believe it’s very strongly hinted through that conversation about the dream. This comment might be a bit sloppy because I’m not giving direct quotes from the books, but it is in there. Just had to pause the video in the section about Euron/Daario to leave my two cents. I don’t believe that Euron is Daario though that’s too farfetched even for an admittedly tin foil fan myself.

@Levacque

25 күн бұрын

I think it's likely that some of the people Bloodraven reached out to couldn't properly tolerate the magical awakening. Euron got access to the skill set, but lost his mind.

@connoraslett2836

25 күн бұрын

I agree completely. In Bran’s flying dream we see the bones of dreamers who could not ‘fly’ themselves. So that scamp Brynden has been trying this with others prior to Bran. I like the theory that Euron will bring about the long night/break the wall and it will all be because of Bloodraven’s tampering. Seems fitting that all his scheming and dirty work will blow up in his face.

-The main "evidence" argument about the Bolt-on theory that you didnt mention is the EYES. Roose apparently can glamour the skin but he cant glamor his eyes and he has unique grey eyes. That's why he chose Ramsay, because he also has those very rare grey eyes. - In regards o Tyrion being a secret Targaryen i think the more interesting angle would be if Jaime and Cersei are actually Aerys bastards and Tyrion was a Lannister. The tragic George-esque irony of having Tywin rejecting his only trueborn child.

When I saw this notification i was very excited, and when i saw how long the video was it just got better. As someone else who's gotten into ASOIAF relatively very recently, I'm loving getting to watch your journey through it.

Tyrion as Aerys' son deserves way more discussion, if only because supplemental materials hint so strongly at it. The author has blatantly invited us to consider this theory. World of Ice and Fire has lines that are included purely to make us consider this theory. So we should consider it. Like it or not, it fits the narrative extremely well. It is a twist that would have significant impacts on all the major themes of the story. 1) Identity - Tyrion's character is defined by his relationship with his father. When Tyrion is first introduced, he says his famous line: "all dwarves are bastards in their father's eyes." Tyrion thinks his father hates him because he is a dwarf, but it's really because Tyrion is the son of Tywin's bitter rival. Tyrion's relationship with his father is directly compared to Jon's. 2) Morally gray characters - Tywin is the ultimate villain, but we've never seen his point of view. Raising this child as his own is sympathetic. His hate for Tyrion is wrong, but understandable. By lying about Tyrion's parentage and bearing the personal insult of having a dwarf child, Tywin saved the child's life and prevented a war. On the other hand, Ned is a hero. But by lying about Jon's parentage and his sister's love affair, Ned selfishly protected the status of his house and started a horribly destructive war. Tywin is not pure evil and Ned is not pure good. 3) 3 heads of the dragon - It seems we need 3 Targaryen riders for the 3 heads of the dragon (according to all the prophecies and such). Danaerys is explicitly one of them. Jon is the obvious secret Targaryen, and Fake Aegon is the red herring Targaryen. We need a third, unexpected to replace Aegon when he turns out to be fake. People want Tyrion to be Lannister because he is so much like Tywin... This twist is where GRRM gets to make his point about nature vs. nurture. DNA does not determine who people are. Tyrion IS Tywin's son, because that's his life experience, his own identity. Tyrion and Tywin have different notions of Tyrion's identity. The genetic connection between Targs and dragon magic is related to blood sacrifice and evil in nature. Many people died in Robert's Rebellion, ultimately for Jon. So Jon has some evil blood sacrifice magically attached to him. Tyrion does not have this evil because Tywin protected him from it. IDK how this will play out in the magical war of Ice and Fire to end the books, but it is a way to tie all the themes together.

@alibomaye4536

25 күн бұрын

Tyrion dreams of dragons as a child and becomes infatuated with them, is devastated when he finds out they died out and goes on to read every book he can find about them. Tywin also doesn’t talk to his sister for half a year when she tells him Tyrion is his true son. He also has 1 green eye and one black eye (black purple same thing…). I’m undecided on it but there’s definitely some evidence

@DrAwesome43

25 күн бұрын

@@blaubeer8039 I don’t see the need for plausible deniability. Tywin could simply say these hurtful lies if he wants, he doesn’t need to prove to anyone that they are truths. He never claims that Tyrion is Aerys’ son, or that Joanna slept with other people. Tyrion has no question about his parentage. It seems more like Tywin keeps a secret but blurts out these things in moments of extreme anger.

@09hicktown

24 күн бұрын

Except Tywin would never do anything sympathetic or bear a personal insult for any reason though. Tywin crushes anything that gets in his way and reacts in extreme ways at the slightest insult. Tywin would never save a childs life for an altruistic reason either. Tywin only cares about one thing and thats that people bootlick the Lannisters, admitting his wife had a bastard would make Tywin and by extension the Lannisters look bad, if Tyrion is a secret Targ Tywin didnt know about it.

@DrAwesome43

24 күн бұрын

@@09hicktown This just proves that it would be a good twist on Tywin's character.

About Bolt-On: Roose planned to kill his bastard and the woman for lying about him being Rooses child but he spared them when he noticed that the babe had his eyes. Ramsays eyes being the same as Rooses could potentially be important if he was an immortal skinwearer. Roose is also obsessed with keeping his blood pure with leeches. We get the idea that he doesnt really care about much that is going on around him. Lady Dustin mentions that she thinks he sees all of them just as little chess pieces. All of that would make a lot of sense if he had actually been around for a long time. Unlike Euron being a skinchanger, I dont actually believe this theory, but I do think theres something more going on with Roose.

@trisarathops

25 күн бұрын

I once read somewhere that there is also a theme: Werewolves vs. Vampires, with the Starks and their warging abilities and direwolfes representing the werewolves, and leech-lord Roose and the flaying Boltons the vampire side

@Serryy

25 күн бұрын

@@trisarathops Starks = werewolves makes so much sense, I'm disappointed in myself for not seeing that.

I’m going to watch this later when I can but I just have to say- I literally just watched the chatting with nutts episode where you mentioned that you were going to do this.

This is great. I've read all the books and watched the shows but I'm still a newb to all these theories, so much fun.

I have been waiting for this video since you came across my algorithm reviewing book one

To me, just to ask the question "who are Jon's parents" is already a very revealing spoiler. There's no indication on the story that this is relevant. So I was really afraid that this part was going to be ruined for you, it's nice to get a satisfying conclusion from your ASOIAF reading arc. 😁 The think about Jon's parentage is that it is not presented as a mystery. So the reader go through the whole books without giving it a second thought. He being Ned's bastard is just a good excuse to have a "Stark" on the Wall, and he might even be the heir of Dawn. George implies a very comfortable backstory already, there's no reason for the reader to think about it. But when you DO think about it, it opens up that the question is indeed much more important that previously thought. The minor character detail becomes a major world-building set piece. It's really outstanding writing.

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

Agreed! Luckily I was firmly set on who Jon’s mom was - although someone implied the father thing and Kyle had to lie and be like “they are just show people” to throw me off and not think about it 🤣 it annoys me in retrospect that people were so free with it because it’s much more interesting to think of it for yourself. That’s why if im in a non spoiler talk, I always say Jon’s mom.

@VinAbuqrq

25 күн бұрын

@@blaubeer8039 Well, as I said, "The minor character detail becomes a major world-building set piece." If nothing else, Jon's parentage gives the reader a complete new view of the biggest historical event on the last twenty years, an event that still echos in the story we are reading it. Not only that, the revelation also gives a complete new view to one of the main characters of the series, Ned Stark. So as a world-building piece, Jon's parentage has a HUGE relevance. For example, as it was mentioned on the video itself, Ned's stance on the Daenerys murder plot has a whole new dimension under the light of Jon's parentage. That was what I talking about. I think it is pretty obvious and uncontroversial, to be honest. Now, I don't see your arguments relating to my original point, but I will give my thoughts on it if you want it. For the character, I agree that it is not something Jon would pursue, and that is why I said it is a minor character detail. I don't think the reveal will fundamentally alter Jon as a character. But it does have relevance to the people around him, and if the people do choose to follow him, Jon is someone who would accept the duty of governance. I mean, as you mentioned, he did it at the Wall. He has full respect for Mance Rayder, who did it North of the Wall. So if Jon's parentage is relevant to the rest of Westeros, that can affect Jon closely. And finally, this is something few people talk about... Jon Snow would never be Azor Ahai, but he would be Nissa Nissa. I think that is very likely that at the end of the story Jon will Jesus Christ himself, and according to implications on magic that are given to us readers, him having king's blood is extremely relevant also. I think this argument "ancestry does not matter" is actually a very unfair reading of the story, and I've only seen it seriously discussed by content creators that for a long time were critical of the idea of R+L=J. Now that no alternative proposal really stuck, they are changing to "it doesn't really matter" as oppose to admitting they were wrong.

@09hicktown

24 күн бұрын

​@@blaubeer8039 Except it does matter because it changes so much of what the reader is told. Jon being a hidden prince and not a bastard also changes every relationship he had where his being a bastard was a major component. It also matters because Jon has always wanted to know who his mom was so to find out it wasnt who people speculated it was would also matter because it would shine new light on Ned from Jons perspective.

@09hicktown

24 күн бұрын

I definitely disagree that Jons parentage is presented as cut and dry. In the first book you can say that Jons mom was without a doubt Ashara Dayne. However as you go along things start to not add up, why the secrecy about Jons mom, why are there suddenly multiple candidates for who Jons mom was, and theres probably other things that Im forgetting. By the time I read through the series I knew there was something that wasnt being said about Jons parentage I just couldnt tell what. After I read the series then I heard about R+L=J. Having R+L=J in your head and rereading shines even more light on things especially with Ned, his seemingly off feelings towards Rhaegar, his remembering of someone elses pleas when Sansa is pleading for Ladys life, Ned finding Lyanna and smelling blood & roses.

the double kyle joke was really funny! I can't believe they didn't realize it was a joke at first haha made it even better!

@readbykyle3082

21 күн бұрын

Look I may claim to be a nerd but I have never claimed to be smart 😇

Omg this is gonna be so fun

so excited for this

As a kyle whos obsessed with asoiaf, it feels weird to watch two other kyles obsessed with asoiaf talking about it lol

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

NEW THEORY ALERT! George wrote asoiaf to specifically appeal to kyles

@autje1970

25 күн бұрын

All Kyles are the same time-travelling Kyle.

@trisarathops

25 күн бұрын

@@autje1970 Omnikyle

@Bookborn

25 күн бұрын

@@autje1970 I've never wanted to pin a comment more, unfortunately sub comments cannot be pinned. But here's a gold star ⭐

This is so fun. I love it.

We owe Kyle a debt of gratitude for getting Bookborn into this series.

Most likely a stretch but I'd love if Jamie and Cersei were Aerys bastards and Tyrion was Tywins one and only child. Just as one final middle finger to Tywin, for a life time of being an evil prick and possibly the worst father in the series.

@pyramidion5911

23 күн бұрын

Tywin pays for play, and he didn't really care for Joanna like that anyway. It's much more likely that all of his children are Aerys. It also explains why Aerys kept Tywin around so long.

I think a lot of the best ASOIAF theories vere more towards being detailed essays about what George is settung up for future books. Theories on Jons ressurection, the grand northern conspiracy, etc are really cool to explore to recontextualise your rereads!

Loved the video!! and love that you are so into ASOIAF!! you should do one of these livestreams with David Lightbringer or watch his videos. He knows all the symbolism, lore, theory. and it is SO GOOD. I swear. you both are honestly my top 2 ASOIAF youtuber rn. and i really recommend, if you want of course! anyways thanks for all the vids. always makes my days better! 😊

This was amazing and hilarious. I am also a big fan of both Martin and Sanderson (and can also definitely relate to being one of the few ASOIAF fans who hasn't gone insane yet because I only read it relatively recently).

Also there’s a whole expansion to the lemon gate theory by these KZreadrs called “The Interesting Nerd Club” they honestly went into detail on that and the whole Aegon thing. It surprisingly makes a lot of sense

Not even George is consistent with pronunciations (he says Doth-rak-eye), and the show flipflops depending on the actor's dialect so I don't think you need to worry at all about how to pronounce things !! Also the whole Euron is Bloodraven's apprentice who might have gone rogue rests entirely on the line Euron says about how could you know if you can't fly if you never dared to leap from some tall tower, which is entirely the magical awakening that Bran has. If Euron didn't learn to fly in his dreams from Bloodraven and fell, maybe something broke in his mind and he became obsessed with learning magic and all his other apocalyptical god-ascension hobbies.

Azor Ahi is a The Bloodstone emperor, Nissa Nissa is a Children of the Forest and Moon Meteors will bring down the wall. David Lightbringer, best theorist in the fandom.

would thoroughly enjoy more things like this. Reaction vids to popular ASOIAF theory videos would be really cool to see from someone completely new to this universe! Alt Shift X, Peterson Jacobs, David Light Bringer, etc.

I love your ASOIAF content ❤

it was great to see you on preston’s channel! i’ve been hoping you’d chat with one of the theory channels i enjoy! i have a couple of channels i strongly recommend if you’re not already familiar (which you likely are!) Both of these i appreciate as they maintain a positive viewpoint, which really puts me off in certain areas of the fandom. 1. In Deep Geek - love his Everything is Bloodraven’s fault series & also the one of the faceless men. but truly all of his stuff is fantastic. David Lightbringer - fully up my alley as he focuses on symbolism & connections with Norse mythology, fairy tales, etc. Definitely check out anything on squishers/deep ones, and euron, and the comet/moon, and norse mythology.

Love this.

@SnowTheParrot

22 күн бұрын

@Bookborn is this you ☝

Sweet Robin is Littlefingers son is a fun one to think about during a re-read, and that the Viper poisoned Tywin, so if Tyrion hadn't done what he did to him, he would have died anyway... and then ObVioUsLy Daario is Benjen is Euron lol

I'm not lying I caught that the gravedigger was Howland Reed on the first readthrough. Pretty proud of myself.

I haven't watched yet, but I checked the video chapters to see which theories are discussed, and I can't tell you how happy I am that the absolute insanity of D+D=T made it in. That is by far my favorite "theory" in the fandom.

Seeing Theon’s name again in the chapter title in ADWD made me so emotional. I never thought a chapter title can have this much impact on me. My favorite theory is that Jons first chapter is titled Ghost.

I was wondering if you would ever go down this road, and more importantly how far you'd go. Looking forward to seeing where this goes

I WAS NOT READY FOR HOWLAND REED IS ARTHUR DAYNE I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT ONE

My favourite crazy theory is that the Reeds castle of Greywater watch does not exist and that's why enemies can never find it

Omni-Walder (time travelling frey) was a joke theory created by Glidus for his "Fake ASOAIF Theories" video (which I definitely reccommend, also the origin of Tyrek is a horse). It's probably a parody of the popular Omni-Bran theory, which implies Bran used the Weirwood network to time travel and take the place of every Brandon Stark in history.

I love the ongoing arguments about pronunciation 😂 because George has said many times he does not care how you pronounce the words in his book. There’s an early interview of him, everyone calls the Dothraki the Doth-rack-e He used to call them the Doth-ra-kai

@readbykyle3082

25 күн бұрын

This is true but don't let her off the hook 😂 I will never let it go!

Havent finished the video yet, but I'm shocked varys being a blackfyre wasnt mentioned during the FAegon discussion.

Bolt On: Apply Directly to the Forehead is an inspired section title, nice job team

The version of Ned warged into a pigeon that I heard was that it was the pigeon that Arya ended up eating right after Ned was beheaded. Equally as insane but I like this version better.

As a long time ASOIAF reader, of these Euron/Bloodraven having a connection wouldn’t even be in a tinfoil category for me.

My favorite theory that I think might be true that you did not cover is "Moon Meteors" from David Lightbringer. It is hinted at in the main series, there are clues in D&E and the World of Ice and Fire. Kind on bananas but it would actually be cool if true😊

I've heard of a theory that says lady stoneheart is looking for info about the red wedding in order to find robb's body and give him the kiss of life, making a robb zombie with a dire wolf head which probably won't happen but it is metal

Great video Bookborn! Enjoyed the stream. You should link up with Fantasy Haven and Quinn the GM sometime, they do a lot of livestreams together discussing all sorts of theories