Actually, i think New Jeans have lost a lot of their casual listeners who are fans of other hybe groups. International fans are really invested in these issues more than you think.

4. Opinion (Talent does not equal to good songs ... you can be super talented and still have bad songs or songs which doesn't appeal to general public .. but if you are less talented compared to others and you have good songs which appeal to huge audience, they become famous with hit songs .. in the end of the people are here for music ..) sad but truth.

@XKey_Misterious6

23 күн бұрын

Nahh..,But there are many groups that have good songs but can't be famous,...your comment is also wrong, Fact: If a group has good songs but the company doesn't promote them,the result is they won't be successful Promotion>>>Talent/Song

@Moadive553

23 күн бұрын

@@XKey_Misterious6 what i said is right and what you said is also right .. there are groups who are super talented from a good company and still have bad songs and doesn't chart well in Korea.. there are some talented groups from good company and still due to lack of promotions they lag behind. so sometimes it's all about luck. good promotions doesn't equal to hit songs EX; brave girls Rollin Rollin that song suddenly got so viral. there are many example. you need to accept everytime its not about promotions its maybe your favs songs doesn't appeal to general public.

@mc3331

19 күн бұрын

Popular doesn't need to be good, something could be trendy like neck rings for kayan.

I do think nj image did got a bit damaged with the kpop fandoms ..esp within fandoms of grp that were attacked..esp army... Who knows maybe they will recover or maybe they will try to catch up for a few yrs ahead... Some of my friends that once were fans of them and army too have just stopped listening to nj .Who knows honestly, maybe this all won't affect them or maybe it will ...

@Juicy_Metra

25 күн бұрын

That has been the general consensus from casual listeners in the kpop subreddit megathread. And it’s funny that bunnies are blaming Hybe for sabotaging or mistreatment when it’s seems like it’s really bunnies themselves that have been putting off other fandoms and casual listeners of NJ

@Juicy_Metra

25 күн бұрын

And obviously mostly MHJ but bunnies have been mirroring her so they’re one and the same at this point.

@Elizabeth-df5fw

25 күн бұрын

Honestly that’s still so weird to me how people so much people are hating on them like they are getting attacked for Everywhere.

@Daisy-ue9vk

25 күн бұрын

Fr cause the bunnies that were attacking people are now hiding

I love this channel. The writing style is amazing. And the best part? They just cut to the chase. They don’t make a 5 minute disclaimer saying “G-guys this is just my opinion don’t hate me!! and then ending it with another “Please remember this is my opinion!!” yap sesh. Glorious.

@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq

25 күн бұрын

I agree

@sicatsz

25 күн бұрын

i love it. i hate when people are like “this isn’t hate, please be nice in the comments :3!” girl fuck them people

@pearsblikingone.jand9cb764

23 күн бұрын

literally this yasssss

XG makes all these K-pop girl groups sound and look like a bunch of children doing an elementary school play with off-key vocals and the most SIMPLE out of sync dances move EVER! 😂

@63Ho1dag2

25 күн бұрын

So true! Stomping around flailing their arms and lip syncing to auto-tuned, prerecorded tracks doesn’t take a large amount of talent imo. Oh and what clothes they are wearing are suitable for the elementary school you mentioned. I just can’t… Xg is a breath of fresh air!

@lamberttorres7285

25 күн бұрын

XG made me realize all those kpop videos I watched were just starburst commercials.

@DB20204

25 күн бұрын

@@63Ho1dag2 XG lipsync too though? Not exclusively, but plenty of their music shows are lipsyncing and pre-recorded vocals. The only thing that elevates them, imo, is the writing, which they haven't had much involvement in to date. Their company's lyricists are really good. Kudos to the writers. The XG members are super talented, but not to a level that hasn't been seen before.

@scootdog1329

25 күн бұрын

​@@DB20204Meh. Music shows have backtracks but is it lip syncing if you sing over that track? Each music show is different too. I wish groups were just allowed to sing with no backtrack on these shows

@63Ho1dag2

25 күн бұрын

@@lamberttorres7285 lol true!

The njs choreo for how sweet (not the chorus part) felt very messy for me and I couldn’t really keep up but its a nice song

I was waiting for XG opinion hahahaha Our girls never will be on the same page as kpop do.

@IkusssGiii143

25 күн бұрын

I saw cocona and I clicked 😅

@rftg1793

25 күн бұрын

same🥲

@Xg4lyf

24 күн бұрын

Amen ❤❤❤

#4 I love a group with vocal talent, but if I don’t like the melody, I won’t stream it. NMIXX is hella talented, but i don’t vibe with a lot of their songs. Also, the thumbnail of Cocona is 🔥. She looks like a goddess

@jiyashaikh84204

25 күн бұрын

Finally someone have same opinion as me 😅

@Chaereallywon_1

25 күн бұрын

Exactly. If a group doesn't have good songs then I cant stan them.

@Rosarubes

25 күн бұрын

I actually like nmixx songs so it’s just like any other music. Some people like their songs and some don’t it’s not a bad thing it’s normal

@songkang3xsrvx

25 күн бұрын

​@@Chaereallywon_1and how you decide good songs?? Heavily edited songs in studios to make it catchy??

@indigo_neo

25 күн бұрын

@@songkang3xsrvxdon’t be dense. Music taste is subjective.

People who keep on saying that NJ's rep is destroyed live in echo chambers on Twitter. In Korea, they are still doing very well and have a shit ton of support, not just from the public, but also from multiple seniors in KPOP like Bada, Eugene, Gyuri etc. They will be fine, ILLIT will be fine, and LSRF will be fine.

@KosmoNavis

24 күн бұрын

No fr. I'm not on mhj's side but Korean public thinks mhj was right to stand against hybe for watering nj formula down for another group under same company and also for the excessive evil mediaplay against mhj. I wonder what these people's sources are. Must be fan accs that mistranslate.

@Marta-rz7iq

20 күн бұрын

@@KosmoNavis No, honey the most mistranslations were done by the mediaplay MHJ did LOL After the audit and the last conferences that MHj did korens have been turning against MHJ a lot LMAO so...funny that you see it that way LOL Even the court has admitted that all HYBE accused MHJ of was all true but that since they exposed her before she actually started her plan they could not fire her yet

3. Op also mentioned Vitrual groups so allow me to introduce you to Plave. A boy group of 5 members that basically work like v tubers. All the members are real people, just hidden behind virtual avatars. 3 of the members produce their songs and the other 2 choreograph their dances. They do all the singing and dancing but again, behind virtual avatars. They are also very funny (like seventeen level funny). Definitely one of the funniest groups I know and their music is amazing and fantasy like. People are always making fun of them like when member Yejun got diagnosed with vocal cord nodules people were saying ‘how can ai get sick😂” which is just terrible. They are real people. Not AI. Please check Plave out, you won’t regret it!

@aenia

25 күн бұрын

i just listened to WAY 4 LUV and it’s lowkey good ‼️

@darklightss_

25 күн бұрын

I tried their music doesn’t stick w me they sound like another group to me 😞

@Divetiny

25 күн бұрын

@@aenia It’s amazing! Thanks for checking them out!❤️ It has a nice fairytale feel to right!? I haven’t seen newer groups do such concepts so I love them doing it! Plave have such good songs.

@Divetiny

25 күн бұрын

@@darklightss_ oof. Sorry that you don’t like their music🥲 Which other group do they sound like? I’m curious as I haven’t heard of other groups with that kind of sound as of recently.

@darklightss_

24 күн бұрын

@@Divetiny i listen to txt, ateez, zb1, p1h, the kingdom, 8turn and Nowadays. Some of the songs sound like some of their b sides

This channel never fails to spit facts🌚

Opinion 2 is giving me hater

@jasminesaiki4002

25 күн бұрын

Honestly

@sicatsz

25 күн бұрын

not surprising y’all think everything is hating. someone can’t dislike choreo now? how is saying they think a choreo is messy being a hater?😭

@cherimming

22 күн бұрын

​@@sicatsz im a my ( aespa stan) putting it out there before yall label me as a toxic bunny......her saying nwjns is a messy grp in dance is so forced like their choreo and their style of dancing goes viral for a reason also some of their dances are actual old skool hip hops so labeling them as tiktok dances is disrespect to og hip hop dancers idk you can disagree w nwjns members but it's capping when y'all say their dance ain't good.

@sicatsz

22 күн бұрын

@@cherimming as a black person, hip hop is our culture . i don’t think it’s disrespectful. what’s disrespectful is when you take them and then excite them in a horrible way , or not the right way. the og did it very well. but to see someone else do it the wrong way is weird. i’m a my too. i still don’t see how that’s hating? you can say something is messy to you. everyone has different opinions. she didn’t say the dance was not good, she said it looked messy. not everyone’s gonna agree…why is that so bad..are you black to be getting offended by black issues?

@sicatsz

22 күн бұрын

@@cherimming as a my there’s choreo i don’t like and think looks messy, so what? that doesn’t make it bad and that is is no way hating. i don’t like certain parts of the illusion choreo, i think it’s looks messy. so what? that’s hating?

The Gods and How sweet choreos are so funny to me, first Gods one doesn't go with the vibe, and the one in how sweet it's just all over the place ...

@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq

25 күн бұрын

Agree. They just dance to rnb songs and call it KPOP. The "girls just having fun" choreo looks chaotic and unsynchronised, its distracting.

@Danielle_bunny

25 күн бұрын

Gods one I agree but if you watch from dancer POV how sweet is best might seem like a messy thing to non dancers but they’re very synchronised and not kissing a single beat I’m surprised the amount of people agreeing that just shows u guys don’t know much from dancer POV …

@aliciaavendano2194

25 күн бұрын

@@Danielle_bunny did i said i was a dancer? 🙃

@Danielle_bunny

25 күн бұрын

@@aliciaavendano2194 you didn’t that’s why I explained their dances r masterpieces I agree God’s was t that good but hey it was by lol team obviously and bubblegum had less group time all their chores r iconic and how sweet is very hard yet they pulled off smoothly very hip and isn’t miss a beat

AI ≠ CGI

These virtual groups aren't ai it's the same as vtubing but with a bigger budget and a large team thats creating the character models for the voice actors/and or body models of the characters

Dreamcatcher Company are doing a great job indeed

There are no AI idols, but CGI. Know the difference 🙄

@rftg1793

25 күн бұрын

I’ve been saying this 🤦🏻‍♀️

4:56 As an international fan, this drama didnt ruin NewJeans for me at all. I didnt know or care about MHJ before and I dont know or care about her now. I just want bops whether thats with her or without her 🤷🏽‍♀️

@pearsblikingone.jand9cb764

23 күн бұрын

omg me too frfr HAHAAA 😂

@allelitememesaem3916

23 күн бұрын

@@pearsblikingone.jand9cb764 😂

Why are you using Cocona from XG with the caption, "You're dumb" as your thumbnail?

@jessica-ness

25 күн бұрын

clickbait, all they’re thumbnails are click bait, it’s nothing new lol

@ALPHAZ_XG_247

25 күн бұрын

@@jessica-ness or maybe because the creator knows XG has a lot of K-pop stan haters.. and it would bring more views if he/she put the most hated girl group in South Korea as the thumbnail when criticism are made about K-pop groups.

@theymakefunofmyname-qz4dq

25 күн бұрын

@@ALPHAZ_XG_247 maybe, but the way I clicked, it's like Cocona is telling people "you're dumb". Pls the creator is an XG fan imo (based on prev videos)

@jessica-ness

25 күн бұрын

@@ALPHAZ_XG_247so basically exactly what i just said, clickbait

@ALPHAZ_XG_247

25 күн бұрын

@@jessica-ness yeah I know. I just wanna add more details to your comment.

op 5 - not all the blame goes the MHJ, the members are part of the reason the are going down. they created this mess

@jamirhill5912

25 күн бұрын

How did the members who have nothing to do with mhj trying to steal adore “create this mess”

@anisaafsar4528

25 күн бұрын

What did the members do exactly?

@jasminesaiki4002

25 күн бұрын

​@@anisaafsar4528 literally nothing this dude is posting hate comments on them everywhere

@kooktaelyfei6359

24 күн бұрын

How you gonna say this and not give any proof on this happening.

New jeans will be fine..

MHJ talks bad on hybe but her "group" is mainly dance too

I will agree that the choreo recently with NewJeans has been a little average. Besides the pop locking and the Usher glide in How Sweet, the rest of the choreo is kinda clunky to say the least.

5. I have to agree with this. I've seen international fans lose interest in NJ because they care about the MHJ situation. There are entire discussion threads, comment sections about losing interest in NJ because of MHJ and especially after the current comeback. NJ is becoming more commercialised day by day.

@kayziofficial

25 күн бұрын

Same. I put my friend on to NewJeans and this is all we’ve been talking about

Heyy!! Can I use clips of this video (specifically from opinion 6 and 9) for a video of mine? Btw it’s a video essay and I’m using those clips as support, I will give you all the credits needed. (Video link, timestamp of the clips, channel name). The video will not be monetized so unfortunately I will not be able to give you any monetary reward.

@kpop-spy

4 күн бұрын

You absolutely can 💕

@bbluerbies

3 күн бұрын

@@kpop-spy tysm!!

I think the lack of promotions of RBW's groups is the main reason of purple kiss' "failture" (mamamoo were topping the charts until 2019/2020 i think; this group has 42 wins, so we can't say that they aren't popular; they didn't have comeback for nearly 2 years). Nmixx is not popular because of their discography. Mixxpop is really hard to listen for many kpop fans. Also their first songs weren't good enough (o.o is one of the most messy songs that i listened to, dice is "shouty"). They are improving though (dash is their best tt imo, also i love run for roses, and most of b sides in their newest album). Their next problem is lack of identity (like wtf was party o' clock and lmlt; i love the second one but i doesn't matter - it's not mixxpop).

Damn you uploaddd fast

I can imagine Coco saying “you’re dumb” with that face and that crown to these knetz. Lol

Call me weird but I actually used to make Chatgpt like my therapist 💀

I really don’t get the allure of New Jeans . . Their songs all sound the same . .. choreography and fits are mostly meh .. it’s sad that there are groups that are so underrated that are more deserving of the fame and support, i.e. Kiss of Life . . .. . Also, while yeah I agree that Black Pink is a force to be reckoned with, I still don’t get the hype . . . Coming from a group that gave lackluster concert performances and a very limited discography .. honestly, there are GGs that can do what BP is doing, maybe even better. . . . . Showing more enthusiasm in their craft. . . .BP seemed like one foot was out the door and they were just performing for the sake of .. not all of the time of course but you can tell when a performer is truly invested in their fans and wanting to give 100% each time . .. maybe they really were not happy with their management and that can affect an artist’s respect for their craft . . ..

I am surprised an idol music company hasn’t had their own ‘Milli Vanilli” scandals yet.

Opinion 6 is so savage!!! 😂Lol

the newjeans choreo one was so loud and wrong… newjeans are strong dancers and their viral choreos reflect that (especially how sweet)

5. I am ARMY and true l support the HYBE bands and really liked nj, but because of the MHJ I can no longer enjoy their music, now when I see the nj I only see the MHJ

3- AI groups are just companies being too lazy to pay for a human being.

@jessica-ness

14 күн бұрын

they still have to pay the producers, dancers and singers 😭

Unrelated but, Txt 's emo songs are much better than theit sad songs.

The natural register take is just dumb, sorry. Singing is not something shallow, plain, neither stationary, singing is dinamic, a roller coster of what you can do with your voice. No one wants a music that has no movement, even New Jeans adds a little flair on theirs songs (even tho its the most basic, whispered and beige flair). Wait until a group with no vocal power launch a song where they basically talk-sing and then you will understand how its important for an artist to step outside his comfort (at a singer point of view, when we cant belt or sing a very high or low note, it makes us want to do it, we thrive when we hit it, this is what growth means). What people need is to make companies stop with half baked ass idols, who cannot hold a note even when they are doing nothing. Companies should train them properly and when its done debut them (HYBE AND CUBE LEARN IT NOW, IM BEGGING!)

@Santia5a

25 күн бұрын

Do you understand your own comment? Natural register is natural. When someone with bass voice, is trying belting in soprano, it's not step outside comfort zone. It's ruining vocal cords.

@Natasha_bazooca_mommy

24 күн бұрын

@user-lt1qx3me1i most of the times they are talking about a idol not stepping outside they range, not the natural vocal range, but the range they are limited to because of the lack of proper training, that is what I'm talking about. People most of the time don't understand the difference between them And I was not saying that a bass should have to belt like a soprano, or something like that, cause its simply insane lmao

@Santia5a

24 күн бұрын

@@Natasha_bazooca_mommy I agree with you in this case. P.S. talk-sing music is hear. Yello, Enigma etc. It's not "bad", it's just different.

@Natasha_bazooca_mommy

24 күн бұрын

@user-lt1qx3me1i but I wasn't saying it was bad, I was implying a lack of diversity in such groups. I can and will appreciate all good attempt to make music a good journey to the listener, being it talking, belting, melismatic and others, but having only one way to do it, without variety, experimenting news ways and sound, without innovative thinking things becomes "boring", in my opinion

@Santia5a

24 күн бұрын

@@Natasha_bazooca_mommy one more time, i agree with you. P.S. Next is just my opinion. Good music(everyone has their own taste)+ good singer = win. Good music + "bad" singer = ok. "Bad" music + good singer = ok. "Bad" music + "bad" singer = not ok

Siri or not...please do stay in therapy

1:26 no seriously you haven’t seen their dance probably they have good foundations and dance really well yeah they do prefer having fun but it’s still very well idk mah e u just dislike them😊

NJ is done and so is MHj

Well the court said the mhj's claims of illit plagiarizing nj has grounds. Its not a rumor anymore. And its so foolish on hybe's part to act hasty before mhj acted her plan out. Now court said its not breech of trust. Stupid hybe. All that money and no sense of business eye.. court said hybe did discriminate against nj and belift did plagiarize nj for illit. Article available on naver.

@Marta-rz7iq

20 күн бұрын

Read it again then LMAO because you only commented about "bad" things about HYBE when the article didn't exactly said that about the "plagirizing part" and there are way worse things said in that article about MHJ act LMAO at least expose BOTH parts, because the ONLY reason why MHJ didn't lose straight the audit was her clausule in her contract with HYBE and that she was exposed before starting her plan, because the same cort admitted that all HYBE accused MHJ of was true tho😂

@KosmoNavis

19 күн бұрын

@@Marta-rz7iq can't you read? I already said hybe acted before she acted her plan out. Court didn't confirm the part legally because hybe had no evidence that could legally pass as evidence at court. The ruling is on court website. Go download it and look for a reliable Korean translator and get the context from them. I don't stan hybe or ador groups. Mhj suffered nothing but hybe image totally got ruined. Instead of looking into unreliable fan accounts, go to court website and read the ruling yourself.

I'M NOT HYBE STAND, BUT START FROM TODAY I'M here to SUPPORT ILLIT STEP ON NewJeans and MHJ , , , Let's Go ILLIT, Teach Them how to PUT SOME RESPECT 😏👍💪😎

@kooktaelyfei6359

24 күн бұрын

Ah yes let’s step on some minors instead of the dumbass adults who wanted to be greedy