"Kids react to SOAD" Mike: *I sleep* "Prog metal sucks" Mike:*A W O K E N*

@raymondpenland4310

6 жыл бұрын

+Become The Knight lol, thanks for the heart on my shitpost.

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/gH2GzLGdc5rFoKw.html

@mookelman

6 жыл бұрын

Become The Knight this is why you're my favorite youtuber

@josephsmith8087

6 жыл бұрын

Become The Knight hey, Mike, what is your opinion on bands such as the Deftones, Chevelle, Rush, KoRn, and Breaking Benjamin? (don't rip my music opinion a new hole, I agree with a good portion of your music taste).

@iwatchyouatnight1550

6 жыл бұрын

joseph smith I saw Chevelle and disturbed as opening acts for A7X and i really didn't like them. Could barely hear the singer over the bass and drums, just overall bad sound. I haven't listened to their studio work so I'd be happy to know If there is any album that stand out. Once again this was my experience when i saw them first time live, you may have had an amazing experience with them.

Honestly, I think you spent more time agreeing with Circle of Tone than disagreeing lol

@TheBlackQueen

2 жыл бұрын

lol I was gonna say

let me say my opinion: as long as it sounds good, I dont care how it´s been made.

@benskurbe

4 жыл бұрын

Mark fair enough

Why is the great irony of it all, him saying "dont follow the rules because its metal" and in the same breath saying that you should be following all these rules on doing things "properly"?...

@CvnDqnrU

Жыл бұрын

People try to find reasons why modern music is bad, when there's no quantifiable reason, it's just that the music has no soul. It has nothing to do with following or breaking rules.

@ninthaeon8106

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing...

@someperson4819

Жыл бұрын

@@CvnDqnrU It's because modern metal is bland. It's on the same level as Nicklback.

Circle is 95 percent on point. If bands use technology as a crutch rather than a tool they are shit. And their is not enough variation in guitar tone that started in the early 2000s. Not EVERY guitar player sounds the same but a shit ton of them sound identical. Both videos are great by the way. It's a debate that needs to happen more often.

The guitar is a mid range instrument.

@charlesmartiniii1405

3 жыл бұрын

Low key hits a all ranges.

@jery3385

3 жыл бұрын

@@charlesmartiniii1405 I mean, not exactly, but Fair enough.

@zaynebonshire3900

3 жыл бұрын

I love The Misfits! 👍❤️ (because of your profile pic)

@brpadington

3 жыл бұрын

@@zaynebonshire3900 You have good taste.

@notoriusdrifter40

3 жыл бұрын

@@charlesmartiniii1405 E2 to E6

Haken doesn't sound like Ne Obliviscaris doesn't sound like Dream Theater doesn't sound like Between the Burried and Me. There's a ton of different sounding prog.

@amanchandra

5 жыл бұрын

Honestly, some haken does sound like dream theater (though they also have albums that don't).

@cykablyat7393

4 жыл бұрын

King Gizzard BBBBBBLYAT

@fripptricky5099

4 жыл бұрын

@@amanchandra Haken is basically Dream Theater, Opeth, and Porcupine Tree in one. I . . . kinda love it for that reason.

@kevingillis3835

4 жыл бұрын

Btbam is where the fuck its at

@ptr_does_music7042

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! Like, the prog fanbase itself doesn't lend good reputation to bands that plagiarize. Most of the big prog metal bands actually do something in a way the the rest of the scene doesn't, and I'm tired of hearing otherwise. Even the gateway "djent bands" arguably have a few differences between them.

get this guy on the podcast, that would be interesting

@berserker8884

6 жыл бұрын

Zebes 26 agreeeedddd

@ellielikesthings

5 жыл бұрын

What’s the name of his podcast?

@nesisgontier8841

5 жыл бұрын

i like your ville profile pic

You will make that reaction video about Kids vs SOAD. Eventually. You know it is inevitable. It is your destiny.

@cupiddelocke1813

6 жыл бұрын

*”NO”*

@michaelvandenberg1122

6 жыл бұрын

That's so true.

@deadaccount7953

6 жыл бұрын

... *insert “no” joke here*

@rolandilosvay9470

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah

@p.darker5306

6 жыл бұрын

He already did a finebros video on soad so maybe not

New Drinking game...take a shot everytime he says "HOWEVER"

@emdiar6588

5 жыл бұрын

Drinking games are so lame kzread.info/dash/bejne/nWan2q1qpLbMf5c.html

The worst thing about modern metal is when you have to react to FineBros System of a Down videos.

he isn't really attacking metal.. he's attacking the generic recording process that everyone uses. He's trying to bring some variety back to music and i don't fault him for that. He's also trying to let new artists know that it shouldn't be about buying the gear that everyone else uses.

4:00 so this guy is complaining about how heavily chopped up and edited "modern" prog metal is? I thought heavy editing and multi-layered overdubs were always a staple of progressive music, even in the primitive reel-to-reel days. Hell, Queen recorded so many goddamn vocal overdubs for "Bohemian Rhapsody" that they almost completely disintegrated the magnetic tape!

@omega1231

4 жыл бұрын

Black Sabbath anyone?

@hazardeur

4 жыл бұрын

you completely misunderstood the guy. he is mainly complaining about cheating in recording, meaning instead of having a couple of takes per instrument per song, these days you have a cut every few bars, which definitely is too much. By chopping it all up, I can make myself sound 10x better than I am but for the cost of groove and feeling and that's how many bands do it today. Also the reaon why some of these bands suck live much more than on the recording as they can barely play that stuff in one go live

@aryinc

4 жыл бұрын

rhandy rhoads overdubbed his leads. well yeahh.. "cough cough also used a 57"

@aryinc

4 жыл бұрын

@@hazardeur hes right on some parts but utter bullcrap on others. bass trough a tube amp...the fuck, sounds ugly and thin as sin. sm57....bullshit, v30 bullshit, high output humbuckers, dime called "bullshit". modded marshalls are where it's at, bullshit.drum triggering=cheating...oooh circle you dog -_-. if things are shit or useless,then....why is it here right???. he kinda comes of as tone god, follow tone god and don't get fed up with 90ts, 80ts is where it is at, listen to tonejezus....listen son.

@lochnessmonsterrr290

4 жыл бұрын

@@aryinc wat

Complaining about barely hearing booming lows from bass in metal and then brown-nosing over early Metallica is the easiest way to turn your opinion into a joke.

no

@Meow-hj4td

6 жыл бұрын

Dave067 lol

“Find a drummer on your level” shit son I’m from a small town in bfe. I’m lucky to find a musician that can keep time and show up sober 😂😂😂😂

Stoped listening to dream theater for this

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

That is a high compliment sir.

@vhpigfeet

6 жыл бұрын

Almost impossible

@austinbramer558

6 жыл бұрын

Elias Gomez 🤮

@giovannyrosado6326

6 жыл бұрын

Elias Gomez Just wait a bit, every DT album is different.

@obyr97

6 жыл бұрын

DerManiac boooooo

Every band should use Iron Maiden's mixing as something to aspire to. Every instrument has its part, and nothing overshadows another thing.

The loss of bass is a point that he made that has a lot of weight, bass makes metal sound much heavier, you know why The Sound of Perseverance, for example, was such a good album? How dynamic the instrumentation was. Scott Clendenin's bass clashing with Chuck's wicked chops created a death metal masterpiece.

@icipher6730

4 жыл бұрын

Except that there's no such loss. I love prominent bass lines in metal to death (no pun intended), and I will tell you that there's a shit ton of modern metal records with great bass lines which actually make them sound heavier. Literally dozens of such records. You are just listening to the "wrong" stuff, I guess.

@PoeticInsanity

4 жыл бұрын

@@icipher6730 no, I listen to plenty of modern bands with great bass, but you can't deny bass is way under the radar in a large portion of metal

@icipher6730

4 жыл бұрын

@@PoeticInsanity Then it's been under the radar since the dreaded "...And Justice for All", not because of modern metal. Also, some people act like down tuned 8-string guitars and the popularity of "djent" in general are the death flags for bass in modern metal, but even freaking Periphery have a pretty audible and crunchy bass lines, because Adam Nolly clearly cares about this stuff.

Prog has suffered a major loss in Neil Peart. Rest In Peace 🤟

Instead of debating... why not just settle a guitar battle and let the winner say it all?

@Gguyrules

6 жыл бұрын

cause while that would sound cool, it wouldn't prove anything XD.

@leoli6116

6 жыл бұрын

I know it wouldn't. But since both are really skilled guitarists ( which is rare since in most occasions there were just completely skilless snobs whining on each other), it would be fun to see

@kelvottomatpelaajat3797

6 жыл бұрын

Because skill with guitar is subjective! 😁 Put a funeraldoom metal guy against Herman Li for exsample, which is better? Hard to say, at least to me. 😁

@kelvottomatpelaajat3797

6 жыл бұрын

Jesse Galloway Of course it's subjective, someone who'll go to a Steven Seagal concert, propably does not enjoy Dragon force. Sure Herman has more technical skill, but you could not settle any debate with a guitar battle, for the simple reason, that people have different tastes. 😋 So my argument still stands. 😁

@kelvottomatpelaajat3797

6 жыл бұрын

Jesse Galloway You obviously love Dragonforce. 😊

Meshuggah recorded their last album live so that point is dead.

One of my favorite thigns about Unleash the Archer's album Apex, was the bass playing. It's unique and it doesn't copy the guitar completely, and Nikko (the bass player) has an amazing classical technique where he utilizes his thumb to pick the majority of notes. Highly recommend you check out their stuff.

I gotta agree with the guy saying it all sounds the same. I though it was because of all the down tuning. Guitarists used to develop there own tone and style. It's as if guitarist's nowdays want to sound like "that dude" by learning their style and purchasing their gear. Originality is shunned.

@harrysachs2274

3 жыл бұрын

Remember King Diamond. Yeah, that band rules.

“I like em big” Me: *bursts out laughing*

@jllamb88

4 жыл бұрын

Jedidías Cantú me: *sings “I like em chunkaaaaayyyy”*

Hey thanks for watching. First off you say “if it isn’t broke why fix it” regarding the v30/sm57. Do you think metal is fixed? Sales/tours/guitar interest is in the toilet. Nobody is interested like they were in the Metallica (greenbacks or g12t-75) or Pantera (Jaguars I think for the early stuff). Has there even been a US traveling metal festival over the past few years? Sales? Who is putting up Tool numbers? AIC? Etc? It’s not just Napster. There is almost zero excitement about guitar, let lone metal. Headlines are the guitar is dead after zero guitar solos were in any of the song of the year Grammy nominations. Gibson are going out of business etc. I think you had to be there for the INSANITY of the effect that EVH (blackbacks), Metallica, Yngwie etc had on the music scene. My point is yes it cuts. But does it actually give you an ear worm? Is it infectious? Do you even need that level of cut in pristine digital DAWs? The mids on mids on mids isn’t a sweet spot re longevity/ear fatigue. Initial impact is great for the first minute then it’s samey samey samey. When everything is huge, nothing is huge. I’m open for debate etc but if you look at the popularity of guitar music outside our bubbles, it’s not fixed. We can’t blame blame Napster. There just isn’t interest. You can’t keep a good band down, but IMO that samey sizzle of the v30/sm57 is keeping a lot of good bands bloated and faceless in vanilla sausage land. (Since I wrote this, another 9 members of the faceless just joined and left the band) I want you to listen to a guitar studio recreation I did. It’s not huge, tight, mids heavy etc but you have to admit that the imperfections are...metal. And you can hear the bass. IMO it generates more excitement than midi drums/samples/midi grids. kzread.info/dash/bejne/imF4t6uOqdy0pbA.html

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for leaving the comment dude \m/ When I was saying “if it isn’t broke why fix it” I was referring specifically to the process for recording guitar tone and not the metal scene itself. You def do bring up some good points but I have my own theories as to why we're seeing a decline for the guitar. We can discuss further another time. Once I get a chance I'd be happy to listen to your sample. I hope you take me up on that offer to come on the podcast. I think it'd be a great time. If you're interested shoot me an email: becometheknight@gmail.com \m/

@floydcucciajr6640

6 жыл бұрын

Circle of tone is such a typical asshat... Listen to what you like, don't listen to what you don't like. Complaining about shit you don't like makes you sound like such a condecending prig...

@60hzmasterrace17

6 жыл бұрын

Floyd Cuccia, Jr Not typical: his arguments make sense.

@CIRCLEOFTONE

6 жыл бұрын

Become The Knight Just watched the whole video. Great points, looks like we agree on a lot and I’m not too triggered at the counterpoints. Great channel BTW. Looking forward to a binge. I’ll be down to be on the podcast in the future.

@Detren

6 жыл бұрын

THAT FACELESS BURN HAHAHA

This guy strikes me as a "back in my day" type of guy and just wishes it was still the 80s.

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

He kinda is, and he admits it in the video.

@Gguyrules

6 жыл бұрын

i mean, the 80s were pretty great, so i can't blame him on that end.

@TMPOUZI

6 жыл бұрын

Oh man I only wish we went through the 70's or 80's musically all over again. Real music

@KingBlonde

6 жыл бұрын

^no, recreation is the whole reason we are where we are, we need to do new, exciting and dangerous. One band comes out these days doing something cool and new and then everyone else re-creates it for a year or so.

@666Havers

6 жыл бұрын

where it was better yeah

Video title “YOURE WRONG” Mike throughout the video: “Agreed”

I wached the fine brothers SOAD video and I was all the time thinking of what you would be saying and I was laughing so hard, but the same time I was like, “no, get over it you are better than a reaction to a reaction, don’t tell him to do it on the comments”. So I after thinking of it a lot I finally threw everything through the window and here I'm asking you to do the reaction🤷🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ (I'm from Argentina btw love your channel dude)

@cecilialongo4998

6 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZansJSqlpOqgto.html

I sub to both of your channels and can see clearly where you're both coming from. Being a player in local bands since the mid 80's I've seen it all and in my experience, you're both right overall. As a drummer, I refuse to have my playing snapped to a midi. It's 100% me you're listening to, for better or worse. lol Great vid man and I hope you both can make this collab happen.

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the insight and the viewership man \m/ happy you enjoyed it.

Idk if you guys know this, but he's the son of a band that The Beatles signed to Apple Records, something he rarely mentions, honestly. I think his dad might have known a thing or two about good tone,and passed that on to him. He also has painstakingly recreated many iconic classic rock and metal tones as closely as he could.

You should do a "change my mind" segment

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

lmao!!! Don't tempt me.

@chinorrata

6 жыл бұрын

I 100% support this!

@juliAnarchist

6 жыл бұрын

I approve, this needs to happen

@metalpope6154

6 жыл бұрын

Become The Knight Become the Crowder of metal.

@EthanAndViolaVlogs

5 жыл бұрын

I love Louder With Crowder

Am I the only one that thinks he's like the metal version of the Armored Skeptic?

@wiggy009

5 жыл бұрын

Except Mike is good

@chrishansen8119

5 жыл бұрын

@@wiggy009 Dont diss on Greg

I’m working on writing good music for a friend’s indie game, and I play a decent number of instruments that people don’t expect in that type of thing, such as using a violin to assist a fuzzed out guitar in an ambient, heavy doom metal track, and it really creeped out the person who created the game idea, and we’ve been working on making it really work well. I like trying to be different with my music and put my own creativity into the pieces. Rock on people. 🤘

@angryvaginasfromspace7718

6 жыл бұрын

Doom metal in indie arcade platformer, that's gonna be so fucking rad

My thoughts on the drum trigger and so on: It's a matter of appreciation of composition V raw skill. Some folks are amazing performers with barely an original note in their body, some are fantastic composers with mediocre skill, and a select few are equally amazing at both (plus a few hacks like me who are bad at everything of course). Demanding the best of both from everyone all the time is a bit silly, and usually I find that the people that demand it most haven't touched an instrument in their lives - or at least only play one instrument one way. Personally, I'm more interested in the finished product than how it's made, but others may be more drawn to the pure performance of it, and that's fine - musical enjoyment is subjective after all. However, there is a frequent problem that I see where people pick one and insist that it is the *only factor that matters* and then subsequently cherry-picking examples to support their claim and ignoring all cases of an artist they like doing the thing they hate or explaining it away in some other convenient manner so as not to tarnish their position. Just my discount two cents.

"Only use one mic" Pft joke is on you cause I run an axe fx to record guitar lol

@thomaspierce5835

6 жыл бұрын

It looks just like a telefunken U47, you'll love it

@donkarnage6032

6 жыл бұрын

Thomas Pierce The white zone is for loading and unloading only...

@thomaspierce5835

6 жыл бұрын

I'm glad at least 1 person got that.

Apparently lead singer of Opeth/obscure piece of ikea furniture, Mikael Åkerfeldt is pronounced "meek-al oakerfelt." Or so I've heard.

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

In his country, it is :P

@oskar356

6 жыл бұрын

pergproductions Mii kah ell pretty much

Funny, because I was thinking to myself there has never been more variation on Prog, problem is people call not metal everything that deviates from the formula. Rather than this being a problem of the bands I think is a problem of the metalheads wanting the same. That is why I love people like Devin Townsend, when he was asked in an interview, what genre does he fall in. Because according to him, he was having a hard time categorizing him and knowing if he was metal or not, he just responded "I do whatever the hell I want to do at the moment, some people say it is not metal, well fuck it I am not doing metal then". But some examples of some bands that have been pushing the boundaries, granted I knwo nothing from the technical side, are Unitopia, Ayreon, Toehider, Haken, Devin Townsend Project, The Gentle Storm, Riverside, Tesseract. and many others. And you might say wait a minute a lot of them are not metal in the traditional sense of the word, and to that I answer exactly! Expecting creativity while boxing everything into what and what is not metal is whatbrought us in this point.

@CinderBlockCuisine

6 жыл бұрын

You're a fucking genius mate

@CvnDqnrU

Жыл бұрын

"there has never been more variation on prog" show me a new prog band that doesn't sound like the others. Prog is just another formula at this point.

This guy makes a lot of assumptions about drums that simply aren't true a lot of the time. He makes it sound as though LITERALLY EVERY METAL DRUMMER that you listen to uses triggers for their whole kit. Not true. A lot of drummers still don't use triggers, and those who do usually only trigger the bass drum, and it's a hybrid trigger, meaning you're still hearing the sound of the bass drum, but there is an added sample layered in with it. I'm currently finishing recording of the drums for my band's album, and that is the case for myself. Nothing on the kit is triggered besides the kick drum, which only adds an additional layer over the bass drum. Also, triggers actually are capable of having dynamics, so just because a drummer may use a trigger or triggers on his kit doesn't mean you'll hear the same sample played at the same velocity regardless of how hard or lightly you hit the drum. Which again, is the case for myself. If I hit the bass drum like a panzy, the sample is going to reflect that. This guy is generalising way too much about something he seems to have a very basic knowledge on.

Is Gojira considered new metal that's progressive? Really like Gojira, especially the From Mars to Sirius, which is my favorite album now.

@marcuss4697

6 жыл бұрын

PlanetFinesse I guess so? I mean, I couldn't tell ya what classifies as progressive anymore, but Gojira have been labeled as progressive death metal before. Regardless of subgenre, their music is phenomenal and that's all there is to it. My personal favorite song on that record has to be World to come, to be completely honest. The heaviest matter of the universe definitely has a bang to it, but World to come is just so unexpected in an album like that. Gr8 shtuff

@tricksonafixed

6 жыл бұрын

Where Dragon's Dwell, and From The Sky always bang!

@tonykarrar7150

6 жыл бұрын

PlanetFinesse lafant savage is better! Lol

@mitchellcambron2440

6 жыл бұрын

That is my favorite album right now too, can't put it down. To be a metal head for such a long time, I am just now beginning to dig deep into Gojira and I have no clue why lol but I love them. I have yet to get into the Lafant album. Someone calling it better than from Mar to Sirus gives me hope!

@tonykarrar7150

6 жыл бұрын

Mitchell Cambron 1st 2 albums are not what ud expect

I'd love to see a discussion between Cirlce Of Tone and Become The Knight

I don't know if I'm prepared for this level of snobbery. I might've bitten off more than I can chew with this one boys.

@ApparrentlyRussian

6 жыл бұрын

TokyoDrifter brooo nice profile pic

@ApparrentlyRussian

6 жыл бұрын

TokyoDrifter Propostrous! Your fate shall be sealed by high noon... with fire, not sword. A flintlock duel is what I ask for, to prevent any pommel based intervention.

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

LMAO! You two are too much.

My problem with this new breed of ambient jazz progressive djent artists and bands is that they just can't write a good song. They're all great musicians and can play circles around me but when it comes to storytelling, they fall flat. At least for me. It feels more focused on showing off how good they are rather than connecting with the listener. The vocalists all sound very similar as well. They all have the same scream, and they sound like a mix of the guy in Periphery and the guy in I See Stars when they sing. Just kind of whiney and bland, no one really stands out. A big part of a band's identity is the vocalist. Veil of Maya dropped their old vocalist and got this new guy to fit their new direction that makes them no different than any other band. The bands sound the same, the recordings are sterile and boring, and the writing has no emotion. A band like Protest The Hero has stood the test of time by having a very recognizable vocalist, evolving over time while still staying true to their style, and continuing to write incredible songs while also showing off their abilities. It can be done, but it seems no one knows how.

@silverbane5008

5 жыл бұрын

sterile is the perfect word to describe the new records. Old ones had their own personality, sound and feel! Oh, and Ghost is one of the very few modern bands who have their own identity.

@xdman20005

4 жыл бұрын

@@silverbane5008 broaden your horizon...

@Trisket

4 жыл бұрын

Nice blog!

@soulfulcabbage7616

4 жыл бұрын

Listen to Sithu Aye

@nooralamgir3703

4 жыл бұрын

Try Vektor

BS that prog bands didn't use metronomes back in the 70s. Even Zappa got his band to play to click tracks. But he does have a point that those bands didn't rely so much on edits and got their parts done in longer takes.

In the old days you needed a record deal to make a professional record. with that deal came someone into the studio with you called a producer. He could also be the engineer but that was optional. A producer was like an extra bandmember who worked with the band and the record company to achieve on thing.. to make a record that utilised the best of the band and their music. Nowadays we record our own music and the problem is.. we don't make records for an audience.. we make them for ourselves... every musician is a little OCD about his own performance and instrument and wants sterile perfection and sound like everybody else, because most of us are also a little bit insecure about our level of playing and image.. goodforbid someone would think I have a different sound because I can't play, or don't have the money... no, lets just do it like everybody else. And nowadays there is no producer that is there to put a mirror infront of your face and say to you:" Does the world need another record with 280 BPM drumsamples, all sounding the same, with guitars following that with that perfect sterile cutting 57 v30 maxon mesa sound that is on every album...... Or do YOU need this album for your own ego and are you actually musically jerking off and do you think with this album you will fill some other gap or aspiration." Why would you go trough all that effort of practicing and playing.. to sound like everybody else, who has the same issues in one or another way... why not be yourself... no ones going to buy you're record that way" Bands evolve and become famous with luck... yes... but also by having a unique sound and personality. How many of you have stood in an audiance and thought :" why is that guy on stage and not me.. I'm much faster on my instrument.. look he doesnt even do arpeggio's... Because It's about feeling, timing and groove... It's not the olympics of metal.. although some ppl think that it is. That guy is on stage because he does what the song needs, and because he is authentic. He believes what he playes. David Gilmour is the gitarist of a band called Pink Floyd and he has something people call the money note. That is.. when he picks up a guitar and plays even one note.. ppl shut up and listen. He can play a solo that lasts minutes and ppl shut up and listen. How many arpeggio's does it take to compensate that... It's music, not a contest... look for wings... not the best running shoes. And make a record for an audience once in a while... not for your band or your friends..

If you honestly think that growls can't express any emotion known to man, you've never heard Dark Tranquillity.

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

It's been a long time since I listened to them so I couldn't say off hand.

@Cendoria

6 жыл бұрын

Fair enough, came off a bit ignorant saying growls can only convey anger though. Not enjoying growls is one thing, but a far cry from stating something that's just not true. Everything else you said in the video however, I agree with. Rock on \m/

@nightlessexplosive3641

6 жыл бұрын

witty screen name NE OBLIVISCARIS...enough said

@icipher6730

4 жыл бұрын

Stanne is one the most versatile vocalists in extreme metal. Well, I guess, not in just extreme metal, but in all metal.

That other dudes video pissed me really off. I needed this one right after that, thanks bro _\m/

My favorite thing to do with guitar is to record with medium gain, and lots of mids, then scoop in post production (not too much, though). Slow parts can have massive numbers of tracks where each is panned differently (but all adding to 0). On fast parts you do just double, and pan on equal amounts.

I started a long arse reply, but I disagree with Circle of Tone so much, it was huge. Bigly, even. I also don't wanna waste that much of my life. Your reply was way too gentle.

I think every era will have its crap and its good bands... but I would argue that a big factor would be that the tools mentioned in the original video (metronome or mapping, auto tune, sampling, etc) are all used as end game devices as opposed to writing tools which to me, limits creativity and uniquness. Imagine how much harder ppl would practice and how much more thought they'd put in if they couldnt auto tune or sample...

@davidbrent2069

6 жыл бұрын

Bryan Thompson playing with a metronome limits creativity? I don't see it. A metronome is a tool to help you keep time

In regards to your comments on the ability to demonstrate emotion through growls, have you heard Travis from Cattle Decapitation, on the Anthropocene Extinction album he performs "melodic" growling, he has done it on previous albums but on this specific album it is far more refined. I'd love to hear your thoughts on the techniques he uses.

That was a great video man, hope we see you two in a podcast

No..circle of tone is right. You are taking the human out of the music mastering the shit out of it.

Also, I completely agree with you on “not making music to market”. Music is expression not a business.

I feel like the issue of mids needs some elaboration. Signal chain examination shows how each part of the chain colors the end result in tone. Scooping the mids with choice in guitar wood or body shape, scooping the mids with choice of pickup, scooping mids with a tube screamer or distortion pedal, scooping the mids with the amplifiers mid knob, scooping it with the amplifiers contour knob, scooping it by using speaker choice, scooping it by using mic choice or mic placement, scooping it with EQ in post. Scooping can be done at each of these locations in a signal chain to varying degrees and in different methods. If i scoop my contour knob but boost my mids knob on the amplifier it gets a different sound than if i cut the mids in post. Scooped has to be done right so that the guitar sounds like the mids were cut or have a growl in the low end say the 200hz to 400hz range which looks more like a low mid boost. The problem comes about when the final track has its mids cut in post and it sounds like it was recorded in a tin can because the guitar sounds muffled not angry.

Needless trial and error is how you break the mold, right?

And now I wait for a Become the Knight vs Todd in the shadows face off.

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

I would actually love to do a collab with him......and I know JUST the video to do.

Slingknot

On trigering live drums- many live venues tend to crank up the low end to build pure body of mass to thicken the sound of the whole band. It's fine for grooving and moving the audience. BUT when the kick drum goes to 16th notes or more, i.e. more dense and faster parts, the whole low end become a rumbling mess and the point of the riff is lost. That is the ONLY reason i'd choose to trigger the kick drum - to maintain control, regardless of the speed/part density.

holy shit they look so alike, i thought mike was doing a reaction to one of his old videos or something 😂 love your videos, ive been finding out about many more bands ever since, which i love because i dont wsnt to stick to only one page from a book when there are so many more to explore.

His point about having one guy in the band and hired guns is soooo true. It’s so hard to get everyone on the same level. Bass players who actually play bass for rock music? Pfff. Where!?

Periphery, Between The Buried And Me, Eluveitie, Polyphia, Shadow Of Intent, The Black Dahlia Murder, Astronoid, Ghost, System Of A Down, Trivium, Carnifex, and many other bands are keeping this genre alive. Modern Metal is fantastic; you just need to look in the right areas.

@alien_666

6 жыл бұрын

Jesus_the_frog42 is an interesting name haha

@18FrozenAngels

6 жыл бұрын

Nameless Ghoul Thank you. I’m just surprised that I could actually find a suitable picture for that name.

@alien_666

6 жыл бұрын

Jesus_the_frog42 yeah lol it’s a very specific thing

@JacksonThornhill

5 жыл бұрын

I wouldnt call system modern considering they haven't made an album in 13 years, but I see your point, and agree with you.

@DemonicRemption

2 жыл бұрын

@@18FrozenAngels I think "looking in the right areas" might be the problem, as many might not enjoy looking for new bands. Which I'm hoping I'm misreading this, because if interacting with this community is anything to go by, finding new bands is easy... A little too easy. Because you've got people posting bands on social media, and here on KZread, you've got KZreadrs talking about various bands across multiple metal subgenres. Hell it's funny you mention Shadow of Intent, because thanks to Atticus The DeathMetaller, I now know symphonic Deathcore is a thing, as he gave a shout out to "Shadow of Intent" a while back. Hell to further prove my point, because of you I now know about Between The Buried and Me, Eluveitir, Astronoid, and Carnifex. Or it might be a matter of expectations. As maybe the expectations for prog might be too high for bands to meet.

Mike, quick question. Have you experienced problems with using the AKAI EIE pro with windows 10? If so, how did you fix it. If not, well...damnit

Hey man I'm new to your channel and I'm digging it. What is your opinion of between the buried and me? That is my favorite band of all time and they can do no wrong.

Music is on rails because of the record companies playing everything safe. It really isn't the band or producers fault.

I feel like the sludgier more doomy, punk or hardcore influenced metal bands have more respect for bass. Lots of stuff like High on Fire, Converge or even Mastodon.

Impending Doom and Despised Icon do really well with the inward screaming. As far as what you mentioned with how growling has no real dynamic, I think that's why Gojira has been gaining quite a bit of fandom here lately. Joe (the singer) really puts his emotions in his vocals, and it shows.

Hey Mike! What do you think of the new TesseracT song King? I thought it was pretty good but what do you think of it?

If he's hating on metal what music does he listen to

@thattypicalslimy8548

6 жыл бұрын

Ruben Oropesa I bet 80s thrash.

I'm really lucky to have a bass player that adds to the music we play instead of just copying what I play with my guitar.

@andrewpolitano

6 жыл бұрын

Luis Palacios Lucky you, you seem to have found an ACTUAL bass player. And if he plays WITH your drummer and is able to lock in the tempo, you hit the jackpot, lol.

6:20 Hey, does anyone know if Mike has a video going deep into is approach to writing?

My thing with using triggers for super fast double bass is that I listen to bands that do it. I believe that it's okay for the bands that I'm thinking of because the trigger is used more as an effect, and not a crutch for inept playing. But the bands I'm thinking about also do much more crazy stuff than just blazing fast double bass that you couldn't get with just triggers, but with actual efficiency on the drums.

"Kirk Hammett flipped burgers for almost 2 years.." LOL I'd have to flip burgers for probably 10 years or more to buy a gibson or a valve amp. You cannot compare 1st world with 3rd world. It just doesn't work that way.

Since metal is one of the few 'progressive' genres, this claim can only mean ONE THING: 'stop playing so fast and complicated, so I can copy you as easily as my granddaddy copied Iron Man and Smoke On The Water!'.

@michaels7159

3 жыл бұрын

Really dumb take, any genre can be progressive. That's a subjective term. Oh yeah, and noodly prog metal is trash.

@harrysachs2274

3 жыл бұрын

Did you just talk shit about Sabbath? Get fucked. No (metal)band has done what Sabbath had done. They are the best.

Yes! I've been dying for you to rip this video to shreds ever since it was uploaded!

Whoa, I had NO clue about the drum sound replacement thing. I didn't even know that tech existed. Wow.

I know this video is a year old but ''if it ain't broke'' is the same thought process that brought us ''modern pop''

@sntreulfravn2321

5 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing, until I thought a bit more, that term definitely works different within the 2 contexts, with his recording context it's more like he's saying "if you can find something better then go for it but this is probably the best way to do it and probably will be for a good while so there's little use in finding anything better" in your pop music context it's more like the artists/labels are saying "this sound is what's selling so let's just keep doing this to not lose money" If any of that makes sense.

I think his complains about prog metal bands are simply because of how music genres are formed. Usually, a genre is defined by multiple traits, like tone, techniques and even guitar tunings. Progressive Metal doesn't escape that rule. So, because of how genres work, progressive metal suddenly becomes an immovable ideal. There's an essence somewhere that is the perfect progressive metal music. However, the term progressive itself demands a change, it's progressing after all. So I simply think that "True" progressive metal bands (If that's even a thing) Are simply not labeled as progressive. Bands like Stimpy Lockjaw are, in my opinion, very progressive metal, but some would say that they are just a Heavy Jazz Experimental band. Progressive gets defined after a certain time and I think that Progressive metal is now too much caught in an archetype to be useful to describe people who push the boundaries of the genre.

Hey man good one...also is that an M-AUDIO AV42 speaker on your desk?

I think bands like Sylosis are absolutely killing it right now, they just released a new album and it is one of the most emotional metal albums I’ve heard, especially the last track on the album. Also Born Of Osiris, their drummer and guitarist are absurdly talented! The talent is there, the song writing is there, and most importantly the music is there and it sounds next level. I understand that he’s upset about lack of authenticity but has he been to any of these bands shows? If he went to one I’m sure all he’d see is a very excited and engaged audience, isn’t that the point?

Metal Elitist Gatekeeper: “Prog metal sucks” Opeth: laughs in Ghost of Perdition

@pilotamurorei

4 жыл бұрын

Prog is only one thing, Rock from the 70s. get that other shit outta here.

@jeremiahgustav8712

4 жыл бұрын

@@pilotamurorei Well someone's close minded. Prog has evolved past the 70s by a country mile. The old school stuff is awesome too, but the new stuff is equally awesome and is continuing to push music and inspire new people.

@adamchristensen2648

4 жыл бұрын

@@pilotamurorei : Me: *Laughs in PROG* Everyone else: *Laughs in even more PROG* @暗黒騎士 Ankokukishi : Dies inside...then responds to this comment:

@ThomasJ502

3 жыл бұрын

@joshrm extremely pretensious definition of prog. Ironic

Basically your saying "I agree with 95% of what Circle of Tone said, but it's not THAT bad..." Metallica is one of the only metal bands that gets any airplay, except, unless, you consider 90s alternative and grunge metal... Much of it is IMHO... Why become some great technical guitar genius (thrash/progressive metal, etc.) when you won't get any airplay? I think artists fear sounding different... I think that to sound original you need a divergent taste... Anyone who thinks they want to sound like another band just isn't as creative and probably has an extremely narrow taste in music. If you want to be original you need to listen to practically everything that came before you, trace a line back to the true originals. And also be open to listening to different genres of music... Unoriginality comes from a narrow mind...

@pietrayday9915

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think artists fear sounding different - artists, I think, actually enjoy sounding and being different, standing out from the crowd, being the first to do something, and making their mark on the world. The problem is that the world of popular music - and in this case I'll include metal as "popular" music - is crowded up with people who aren't really artists, who are trying to make a living off of art. For every genuine artist in metal music, you're going to find a small crowd of competent monkey aping art, and that's what the real problem is here: figuring out where Waldo is in a picture full of monkeys....

I've been watching you're videos and It's been part of my daily routine. Keep it up

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

That means a lot dude \m/

This whole time I was thinking “let’s show this guy some live Periphery” I’m so glad you mentioned them

The bass following the guitar is not something that is unique to modern metal, a lot of 80's metal was like this as well. Once in a while you would get a metal band that had an innovative bass player, but I personally felt it was rare.

Just Listen to Native Construct or Caligula’s Horse 😍

Mike i have a question when you were learning to play did you ever give up?? I have a guitar and want nothing more then to learn how to play but every time i try i just run out of patience and put it back in the box and into the closet then about a week or two later finally pull it back out and try again. Any tips that you have???

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

I have never given up on it. You need to practice every day for at least an hour if you want to learn.

@sonzu-officialmusicchannel640

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the advice means alot to me. (If i may i have a song suggestion(s) for SSF [Body Count - Civil War ft Dave mustaine] this song is quite political but Dave does the intro vocals and guitar. I mean come on Ice-T and Dave mustaine on the same track if nothing else that's gotta be curiosity raising. However if that song is to political for your likeing try [Wanna be a gangsta] slightly less political but still a little bit and with a strong harsh yet honest message behind it and if you want no politics at all [Pop Bubble] one of there few non-political songs)

as the bassist for my band I try to keep the bare bones of the riff and then I add on my own flare. so, does our rhythm guitarist(I do it because I hate playing something boring and simple). This was a good video btw.

Please don't hate me but I don't care how the music was created. I just want them to play it live without computers playing. And sometimes I don't even care about that. I like the Hardcore DJ Angerfist, a few other hardcore DJs and old Hardstyle Showtek.

someday computers are gonna make songs for us and people will be like yeah who has time for making songs

What's your opinion on powermetal? I tend to see a lot more diversity than in other subgenres with bands like Sabaton and Dream Evil complementing each other while sounding wholly different.

Thats why so many newer bands are going independent. Record labels don't take risks anymore, so bands are taking the risks themselves. Glenn Fricker explained this in a video actually called, "Do You Need A Record Label?" Its both good and bad that labels are largely no longer needed. Its great for bands who want to go independent and follow their own style of writing, producing and recording, then release it through distrokid and make more money off it, downside being for things like touring and so on, you're basically on your own. Even saying that, being independent, you can still hire your own people and work on your own merits and work the schedule suited for you, not the labels recommendation. I could be wrong about a lot of it as I don't have all that much experience, but hopefully i'll be doing more of it within the next few years. If there's anything i've missed out, I'd be more than happy to hear it. There's learning curves for everyone right ?

Another drum trigger complain? I like to phrase em as "Metal guitar players cheat: there's no way a guitar sounds that distorted they're not really creating that sound with their fingers they use an electric signal and a bunch of tubes, the nerve!"

@aneveningwithebola2727

5 жыл бұрын

Baroque is the only real music

Who complains about a 57.... idek that was a thing

@guesswho22peekaboo

6 жыл бұрын

Jelly Jelly same

I just discovered your channel. As a metal head myself, I know that metal will never die because there are countless of awesome bands out there (underground and mainstream.)

I think when he mentioned mid scooped metallica he was referring to the Black Album. If you ever try matching their tone on a DAW, you'll notice that there's almost no mids on the guitars,

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

Tone on the Black Album was great. If I had to guess, he wasn't referring to that album. But you're right; those guitars are scooped pretty deep.

"...need to get away from these one man led bands" Take that, Michael Keene.

This was a great reaction and I think I most agree with this guy on bass guitar like as an owner of a bass I feel like there isn’t enough of it ... I think I band for me which actually made bass stand out was MuDvAyNe and obvs RHCP

@harvesteroftone5473

6 жыл бұрын

Charles Baker Faith No More

@davidbrent2069

6 жыл бұрын

How could you not mention Primus? Bass guitar is the frickin LEAD instrument in the band.

That actually would be an interesting podcast to hear. I also liked how your reply to his video was very balanced and you pointed out everything you agreed with him on and disagreed. Most KZreadrs who do this tend to do it to start drama but thankfully you're one of those few beacons of hope on this platform. Much respect my man :)

Congratz on 80k subs!

@BecomeTheKnight

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks dude \m/