This draft was basically “they became good… for another team.”

@triple5tar

8 ай бұрын

Except Tatum, baby

@therealneal3034

8 ай бұрын

@@triple5tar and Bam and Mitchell but that’s why I used the word “basically”

@bigmanballsassnuts3337

8 ай бұрын

tatums fr the only dude who became a superstar on the team that drafted him

@christophercarr131

6 ай бұрын

Draft regrades should happen when the player is about to hit his first free agency… that’s the team doing what they can with him, whether he’s a bench player, all star or part of a trade, that’s the window. If he becomes great afterwards it shouldn’t count as a good draft, probably should be a mark against the coaching system

@krosnest0713

6 ай бұрын

Tatum was and is good with the Celtics. Fox was good and is good with Sacramento. Bam was and is good with the Heat. Mitchell was good with Utah and is good with the Cavs. Collins was good with Atlanta and is good with Utah. Issac well..he’s good when he’s healthy. White was good with San Antonio and is good with Boston. Allen good with Brooklyn and good with Cleveland.

Let's give Lauri Markkanen pick A and Bulls development and coaching staff at the time D or F. I think that's fair 😉😄

@CorporalCookie

8 ай бұрын

Oh yeah, the Bulls staff really wasted potential with their decisions. Shows in how much better he got physically right after dumping the Bulls coaches (well technically he didn't dump them as he got traded to Cleveland) and hired his own coach who had worked with him in Finland and got a completely different physical training regimen.

@magicofshootingstar5825

8 ай бұрын

@Identify_As_Right Well didn't I give Bulls development stuff bad grade? 🤔😄 It has been one of coach Hardys things last season that he has been encouraging Lauri to be more physical with his opponents.

Lauri markkanen being a B is INSANE. Lauri is an A+

@willdabeast2058

5 ай бұрын

Facts

The Celtics trading back to get the best player in the draft is the best draft move in recent memory. Maybe the Mavs getting Luka from ATL, but this is on par.

@KevinDurantBurnerAccount

8 ай бұрын

I say Boston move was way better. They traded the first pick to the third pick. The first pick is a role player vs the third pick who is a future MVP. Trae and Luka are both stars in their own right where Luka is better than Trae it is arguable. You can’t argue that Fultz is better than Tatum in any world.

@resinct3267

8 ай бұрын

@@KevinDurantBurnerAccountTrae is not arguably better than Luka. Luka is a tier above Trae. It’s still a win win of sorts

@KevinDurantBurnerAccount

8 ай бұрын

@@resinct3267 as an all around player yes. But there are some facets of their game one can argue is better than the other.

@jackcoogan310

8 ай бұрын

@@KevinDurantBurnerAccount has nothing to do with who went 1, it’s the fact that Tatum went to 3 and wasn’t even seen as a potential number 1 by anyone outside Boston. Definitely didn’t compare fultz to Tatum, so not sure where that part came from. It was a risk, even if Fultz was the undisputed #1 coming in, giving up their spot at 1 and a guarantee at the guy they wanted, and snagging an extra pick is crazy. Just as crazy is giving up a proven scorer like Trae on draft night for a teenager from Europe. He was the MVP in Spain, but the history of European players has been a mixed bag at best. I’d say the risk in swapping a person who’s game the NBA is catered to for a “risky” play from Europe, is on par with giving up the potential scoring upside of Fultz for a more rounded player like Tatum. Both were calculated gambles, and frankly, everyone got lucky Fultz just kinda forgot how to shoot as soon as he went pro/got hurt.

@KevinDurantBurnerAccount

8 ай бұрын

@@jackcoogan310 I think it does. People thought Fultz would be a future superstar. His play at Washington State compared him to Harden. Whereas Tatum at the time didn’t have a high ceiling and people were saying how Boston is stupid for making a trade. Especially at the time when they had a sure fire superstar. People expected him to be a ready made NBA player who could contribute right away and he did. It was really dumb on Philly part to trade up considering they already had a non shooting point guard in Simmons. It’s the same mistake they made when they drafted 3 centers in a row. I say European players are always overlooked because the best players in the world are usually from the US as of right now. But that narrative is slowly changing. I’m not sure why Luka fell outside of number 1 in my opinion. Him play pro ball as a teenager should say more than enough. Trae is a beast but he has some ways to catch up to Luka if he ever does. I hope Fultz comes back into form and can stay healthy. He went to a local high school around me and I wish the best for him.

Its crazy how many people still to this day say "why didnt Philly drafted Tatum or why didnt the Lakers drafted Tatum instead" when Tatum was never either of the teams goals. Danny Ainge also wouldnt have traded back from the 1st pick if he wasnt 100% sure That Tatum wouldnt be taken by the 3rd pick.

@jigglyjellyjaspy2728

8 ай бұрын

Never thought about it from that perspective, thanks!

@phightinphil25

8 ай бұрын

Ainge said he would have picked Tatum #1 and the Lakers always wanted Lonzo Ball. Either way the 76ers would have had Fultz at 3 or Tatum if Ainge was lying, they didn't need to trade up.

@rapgodreloaded9259

8 ай бұрын

@@phightinphil25 Exactly my point

@fortynights1513

7 ай бұрын

Side note about Tatum: Assuming he developed into the same player he is today, how would he have fit on a team with Ben Simmons and Joel Embiid?

@antonioalexandercastro3520

Ай бұрын

The 76ers needed an excellent guard and Fultz fit the bill. They have Ben Simmons and Embiid, and choosing Tatum wouldn't have made sense to them since basically, to them, they already have Simmons (who is taller). The Lakers were focused on Ball to play along side Lebron , who the league still think is the best player.

One of the best measures of a class is the HOFers. An average class will have a couple, a very good class will have 3, and legendary classes have 4. At the moment it seems like this class is on-target to potentially have 3 in Tatum, Mitchell, and Adebayo but you can't really count out Fox or Markkanen yet. While Lauri is getting a late start, he's likely going to be the focal point of the Jazz for the next decade so there's some favorable circumstances there. For Fox I'd say the Kings engine is honestly Sabonis, but they both benefit from each other and could build something very solid. Overall, not a particularly deep draft with less than 1/3 being serviceable NBA players beyond their rookie contracts (and several of those remain injury riddled), but the hits are pretty solid. It may not go down as legendary, but it is under-appreciated with a handful of potential perennial All-NBA players, plus several other guys with potential All-Star talent like Anunoby, Allen, Collins, and Kuzma. 6 years ago is a while, but we're far from closing the book on this draft class.

@antonioalexandercastro3520

Ай бұрын

Derrick White is turning out to be a not-too-bad player too.

Never forget Steve Clifford pounded the table for Mitchell and MJ said nope, you get Monk.

@cdeleon3494

8 ай бұрын

That's why mj sucks as an owner. Donovan could had been his Jordan signature player lmaooo

great video! not having a good day and the lighthearted basketball talk is really helping, have loved your channel for as long as ive been subscribed to it!

This is Fultz year. He already shooting 50% from the field. He can rlly become a top 12 point guard this year

@snupedummy

8 ай бұрын

Negative

@resinct3267

8 ай бұрын

😂

@Shortballa11

8 ай бұрын

@@snupedummywhy not? he is an above average defender. He is a good creator. His middy is smooth and he can finish. And he shoots high percentage at the free throw. What am I missing other than the obvious 3point jumper

@Shortballa11

8 ай бұрын

@@resinct3267whats so funny?

@mrmampmamp

8 ай бұрын

I'm still upset that we traded him after 30 games.

Love these videos

Realising the 2017 draft was 6 years ago and the likes of Tatum, Mitchell, Lonzo, Fultz and ect have been in the league for that long makes me feel weird and old 😂

@Okolioza

7 ай бұрын

Man, i started watching, when LeBron was on his 4th year in league. I really old 😢

The thing about Markelle Fultz is that he’s genuinely a GREAT player now with still an insane amount of upside. - Phenomenal Finisher - High Level Playmaker - Elite Athleticism & Speed - Great team defender and face defender - ELITE midrange game - ELITE post game for a guard - 3PT shot is returning He looked INCREDIBLE the last 15 games of the season and was clearly playing more aggressively. Cannot wait for this season!

8 ай бұрын

hes avg 14ppg.... in Orlando lol

@ChrisbeFoSerious

8 ай бұрын

@ yeah, career highs across the board coming off an injury to start the year, an ACL tear, and a nerve injury in his shoulder-all while being the 4th option on offense. He was a stud the last 25 games of the season. Actually watch.

@briankane460

7 ай бұрын

he is a can 😂

@clapdrix72

7 ай бұрын

Lol no my man, a potential star he is not. He's turning out to be a potentially serviceable NBA rotational player on a good team or starter on a Magic but no more than that. The pick was a hard F. He should have gone in the mid teens.

@ChrisbeFoSerious

7 ай бұрын

@@clapdrix72 he was riddled with injuries his first 3-4 seasons. His scoring talent was A+ coming out of college, and now he’s a better defender and playmaker than projected. Consensus #1 pick. For the Sixers, and how everything went down and what they got back in return, obviously it was an F. That doesn’t refute the fact that he’s a Top 20-25 playmaker at PG.

Lonzo Ball is really, REALLY good. Sucks his body is shutting down on him, but he is absolutely a point guard (when healthy) any team would want

@jpw5029

6 ай бұрын

Can do everything really well, Shame

@oozy1333

6 ай бұрын

Basically a comple guard its crazy

Zach Collins was very good last year. I think he’ll surprise a lot of people this year

@cdeleon3494

8 ай бұрын

I doubt it

@anthonytrevino3191

8 ай бұрын

Modern stretch 5 with pretty good shooting splits and can pass really well from high post. His fit with Wembanyama will be interesting as they will prob start together.

@Jordan-wd7vv

8 ай бұрын

picked him up on fantasy and he was cooking cooking after poetl left

NBA2k ratings are a fun way to grade. Pretty accurate game. When I saw Tatum I loved him and he was my #1 I saw Ball having a low upside but he's been a little better than I expected. Too bad he destroyed his knees

Josh Jackson was the perfect example of a guy who should have been elite but didn’t have the mindset. Day 1 he shouldn’t been an all nba level defensive guy and a strong rebounder. Even if his offensive game didn’t improve he should’ve had a long nba career but just didn’t have it mentally.

Mavs fans know the quote, “People forget about Frank.”

JT was where the league was. He had every sign of being a damn good NBA player. Everyone was too busy flaunting over Lavar Ball to realize it. His advanced stats were phenomenal, he had a nearly perfect NBA body, defended, shot well, created his own shots. He was obviously the number 1 pick..... I could definitely see an argument for Fultz....but Kawhi, Lebron, George, KD, Butler, and Thompson were all top 20 players and Tatum clearly fit that mould to a "T". I think Danny just sifted through the bull*hit and were sold on him before he walked into their pre-draft workout and were itching to buy before anyone else found out. If you looked at his analytics, he was the top pick.

This draft was far from forgotten

Og definitely A+

I dunno about the grading system here. Can't give Fultz a -C who was a #1 pick that has been injury ridden and has achieved nothing and then turn around and give Markkanen a B who has basically been good everywhere he has been and got an All-star recently. Gotta grade them on a curve in respects to their draft position especially since we got hindsight now.

@cdeleon3494

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, i think he was flip flopping between grading a player vs grading the team lmao... which kinda diluted the gradings

Imagine Jayson Tatum ended up on Philly

@cdeleon3494

8 ай бұрын

Oh boy they could had been champs already between years 2019-2023

No mention of Josh Hart at pick 30 great value for a really solid glue guy in the league

jt spending alot of time with kobe and peirce is really showing this year sky is limit for jt and celtics

Jaylen Brown your next video Sporting Logically 😂😅😂😅😅😂😅😂

Derrick White is criminally underrated. Top 2 perimeter guard, highly capable of dropping 25+, also the best clutch player on the best team in the league. Boston stole him from SA

2017 Redraft: #1- Jayson Tatum #2- Donovan Mitchell #3- De’Aaron Fox #4-Bam Adebayo #5- Lauri Markkanen #6- Kyle Kuzma #7- Jarrett Allen #8- Derrick White #9- Malik Monk #10- Lonzo Ball #11- John Collins #12- OG Anunoby #13- Dillon Brooks #14- Markelle Fultz Honorable Mentions: Josh Hart, Monte Morris, Jonathan Isaac

@gigaporki

3 ай бұрын

Having Derrick White out of top 5 is blasphemous. Easily the 3rd best all around player on the best team in the league.

Its ironic when you think about st louis and Boston. St louis had the sevond draft pick in 1956 and drafted bill Russell and then traded him to boston and then in 2017 Boston draft jayson tayum from st louis.

Tucker my buddy your getting Chunky . Gotta get back on that court and burn some calories 😅

D White at #29 is an A+. Fringe All-Star and will make first team all defense.

Imagine Philadelphia draft Jayson Tatum and Joel Embiid not 3-0 in Boston series 😅😂😅😂😅😂

Kyle Kuzma imho is a borderline all star caliber player.

Brandon miller will be what Josh Jackson was supposed to be

Jarred Allen, og and def Kuzma should be def a plus - 22 23 and 27 pics and be so good players

What´s with Josh Hart at #28

Darren Fox lmao

As a mavs fan Dennis smith wasn’t a bad pick it’s just the organization fucked up the situation

The Fultz pick was an F no question mark needed, it's been 6 years. Even if he was still on Philly the pick would be a D-.

Markelle Fultz being a C and Lonzo Ball being a B, while Markkanen gets a B is hilarious.

(Chris Farley voice)Remember when sports media pundits took a collective crap all over Danny Ainge for passing on Fultz and Ball then traded back to pick Tatum? That was awesome.

Lonzo is a C Imo. Good player but for a #2 pick you should be expecting All Star/Franchise corner stone

@MrT571

8 ай бұрын

Consider the last few #2s though and it isn't as bad

In all fairness, i dont think anyone thought Donavon Mitchell was gonna be as good as he is

No mention of Josh Hart

Jeremiah 29:11 - For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. God bless! Jesus is the way and saves! Psalms 62✝🤍💪

I feel like the Lakers were going Lonzo no matter what, even if they got #1

@cdeleon3494

8 ай бұрын

Yeah with magic being the gm that time

Lonzo was excellent in New Orleans and Chicago.

Lonzo had half a good year on his third team and gets a B? But Fultz gets an F? Both were picked over Tatum. I don’t get it.

Definitely too high of a grade on Fultz. Barely played any games and only wound up being a role player for the first overall pick. Can't justify giving him anything over a D imo. He could turn himself into a good player, but in the summer of 2023 he was a terrible pick.

You forgot about Josh Hart

Lauri is definitely an A. Only player better than him that got drafted after him is Mitchell.

Even without injuries, Lonzo was drafted way tf high, man was a fast break passer with terrible finishing skills and mediocre everything else. And sooo many people bought into the hype😂

@speachless88

8 ай бұрын

He has no dribble skills, he just is a straight driver and that normally fails. He was better than I expected though

@Shortballa11

8 ай бұрын

@@speachless88he could dribble, he just wasn’t fancy. His only weakness on the Bulls was finishing at the basket

@Shortballa11

8 ай бұрын

He was becoming an all star. Injuries aside he would’ve had a Jrue Holiday/ Kyle Lowry career and impact.

@davyunwashington3613

8 ай бұрын

@@speachless88he could dribble just wasn’t aesthetically appealing he can shoot and play defense he would be every team they would on their team

@naevon29comanches

8 ай бұрын

@@speachless88are you dumb lonzo could dribble if you couldn’t dribble you can’t create for others

personally i would rank fultz in B-. why? i just really appreciate his work ethic, im sure JT work as hard but man imagina u know u had it in u with shooting 3s, smooth jumper, then injury hitting u and then all of a sudden as an 18 yo the whole world claims u as a bust and then got traded for a bag of plastic. but he still doing what he loves and work really hard to get that jumper again. it's like fultz in collage was level 100, then when he's in the pro he had to start from level 1 again and grind again. i take fultz over ben any day.

Bam the 2nd best player in this draft tbh

@QuitDueToLag

8 ай бұрын

he isnt better than either tatum or mitchell though....

@Shpankyy

8 ай бұрын

@@QuitDueToLag bam impacts the game at a higher level than Spida

People forget about Frank. (if you know you know)

Mitchell was drafted by Denver. Not Utah. What about Josh Hart. Solid guy for the Knicks now. Thomas Bryant for the Heat now. Do it for the entire draft. Can’t say your re grading the 2017 draft. But choose only certain players. Can’t say Kennand and Mobk are B’s just because they got drafted ahead of Mitchell.

Too bad about Lonzo Ball. He came into the league in a tough spot - his father's nonsense made a lot of people want to see Lonzo fail - and he was drafted to a team with Lebron, and that means win now, no excuses for a rookie. But Lonzo kept his head down, worked on his craft and became a really good all around player and excellent defender.

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Imagine if philly selected JB and JT instead of simmons and fultz

@cdeleon3494

8 ай бұрын

Simmons pick was aight, JT would had been the one that put Philly on top

@alexnguyen1284

8 ай бұрын

the world would have been perfect.

@kn0itso0903

8 ай бұрын

@@cdeleon3494 JB over Ben? You trippin right? Cant shoot and now can't even play.

@cdeleon3494

8 ай бұрын

@@kn0itso0903 pre back injury ben was nice you know... Now think of this line up PG Ben SG Butler SF Tatum PF Harris C Embiid JB cant play point guard anyways...

@kn0itso0903

8 ай бұрын

@@cdeleon3494 pre back injury ben simmons passed on a dunk cause the free throw line traumatizes him.

lonzo gets a D grade from me

Can easily name 15+ pgs better than him and it’s not close lol

ntilikina, they guy that was gonna prove bron wrong lol and his teammates were fools too. Phil Jackson might have been a great coach but he aint good as an executive

I give the magic an F all he does is get injured.

I can see Markelle Fultz winning MIP this season

bad take on lauri

Another generic Tucker video.

I feel like if Ball is a b- then Fultz has to be b- as well. Both are fringe all star types both have had loads of injuries, but both have also played well at times. Unfortunately Lonzo might be done and Fultz keeps improving.

Tatum is the only HOF in this draft class

Markelle Fultz = D (bust & injury prone. Only saving grace is that he can playmake for others now. Not championship material. Mentally weak for a top drafted player.) Lonzo Ball = C- (injury prone) Tatum = A+ (the heart of the celtics) Josh Jackson = F Fox = B+ (terrible defense, small, hard to build a winning team around him. Took forever for the Kings to make the playoffs with him. Stat padding, doesnt care about post season success as long as his individual stats are good.) Isaac = D (injury prone, doesnt play much, preaches off the court more than he plays, no offensive potential. Only saving grace is his defense and size. He is replaceable.) Lauri = B (depends on how the coach can utilize his strength to hide his flaws) NNtilikinia = D (only has defense) Dennis Smith Jr = D Zach Collins = F (injury prone) Monk = C Kennard = C Donovan Mitchell = A+ Bam = A (has offense, defense, size, adaptable in the nba, great #2 guy on a championship level team) Tatum, Mitchell, Bam, and Fox in that order are the best in this class.

But I don't care what they say I'm in love with you They try to pull me away But they don't know the truth My heart's crippled by the vein that I keep on closing You cut me open and I Keep bleeding Keep, keep bleeding love I keep bleeding I keep, keep bleeding love

Zach Collins is now fully healthy. After the Spurs traded Poeltl, Collins started and averaged 16.5 PPG, 4.5 APG and shot 37 percent from 3. The Josh Jackson effect? Maybe. But I don’t think so.

Tatum is good. I would like him on my team. As of now, he is not a number 1 player. He is a great 2. Over the last few years only a small number of true number 1 players. LeBron, Curry, Giannis, Jokic.

@james91096

8 ай бұрын

You don’t know Ball if you don’t see Tatum as being equal to if not more valuable than Lebron over the last 3-4 years. Tatum is one of the best winners in basketball rn and that team without him would be the Washington wizards

Other than Anything Bennett, Fultz is the biggest flop in a generation.

@Shortballa11

8 ай бұрын

Definitely not. In terms of number 1 picks he is on the lower end. Bt Jabari Parker was #2 and not even in the league. I mean you can list off tons of top 5 players that didn’t last 3 years in league. And Fultz is actualy getting better and better

@Shortballa11

8 ай бұрын

Hasheem Thabeet?

@Shortballa11

8 ай бұрын

Oden?

@gordbillybob

8 ай бұрын

I give injured players a different kind of grade, as those are unfortunate situations, Oden, Jabari....Fultz was just cringe for a long time, and success in Orlando can barely be considered success in the NBA. But yeah Thabeet was a huge bust.

@rapgodreloaded9259

8 ай бұрын

@@Shortballa11 I considered Thabeet, Bargnani and Tyus Thomas huge bust.