Razer Moray: What is a "Gaming IEM"?

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when the fit is divine but the sound makes me whine that's a Moray
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00:00 Intro
01:30 Razer's goals
02:08 Comfort and shell design
03:47 Sound analysis
04:13 Music listening performance
05:49 Gaming performance
07:35 What is a "Gaming IEM"?
08:18 Price-competitiveness
09:34 Boom microphone
10:00 Competitive "advantage"
11:45 TL;DW
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CAM: Sony a7S III + FE 85mm f/1.8
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  • @crin
    @crin Жыл бұрын

    Forgot to mention it while filming but the Morays get a C-. Will update it on the ranking list when the overhaul is finished: crinacle.com/rankings/iems

  • @robinflg8066

    @robinflg8066

    Жыл бұрын

    So you’re saying they pass? 😅

  • @ctyoung0271

    @ctyoung0271

    Жыл бұрын

    The overhaul is gonna be so nice once it's finally complete. Thanks for doing all the work you do for us.

  • @samiraperi467

    @samiraperi467

    Жыл бұрын

    Better than expected.

  • @1Dominic1

    @1Dominic1

    Жыл бұрын

    I feel like at this point, putting "gaming" on a set of headphones, ear buds or anything of the sort just means there decent headphones with more bass then needed, which, hey, I like bass, but there is more to gaming then that.

  • @thanks_dad___

    @thanks_dad___

    Жыл бұрын

    Please compare them to the Final Audio VR3000, they need more time in the limelight

  • @xlr8442
    @xlr8442 Жыл бұрын

    If it sits in your ear But it's not great to hear That's a Moray!

  • @Fuzzy_Llama

    @Fuzzy_Llama

    Жыл бұрын

    i actually sang that. XD

  • @myquietreviewsfeaturingc.t9354

    @myquietreviewsfeaturingc.t9354

    Жыл бұрын

    Now this comment just made my day 😂😂😂😂👍🏿

  • @vincesims8839

    @vincesims8839

    Жыл бұрын

    😂😂🤣🤣 lmao love this!

  • @rachelsnyder794

    @rachelsnyder794

    11 ай бұрын

    if it"s stuck in your head but it sounds mostly dead you're a dolt

  • @Metal_seer

    @Metal_seer

    6 ай бұрын

    Clever!

  • @Tigrexuga13
    @Tigrexuga13 Жыл бұрын

    Can't wait for the Razer x Crinacle project then

  • @blindsniper35

    @blindsniper35

    Жыл бұрын

    Considering the only good/decent audio product I can think of from razor is a DAC that was a collaboration with THX. That would probably be a good idea for razor to stick to collaborating with people that know what they're doing.

  • @TinchoX

    @TinchoX

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh yeah😂

  • @metal571

    @metal571

    Жыл бұрын

    But if it had a usable FR it wouldn't fit with all the other audio products from the brand lmao

  • @velocity790

    @velocity790

    Жыл бұрын

    Won't be surprised since Crin is literally 25mins away from razer HQ SG.

  • @jedisoldier

    @jedisoldier

    Жыл бұрын

    @@blindsniper35ironically enough razer actually bought thx a while back. Doesn’t appear to have helped anything but just diluted the thx brand

  • @HSkelter
    @HSkelter Жыл бұрын

    In my experience, if you want a good set of "gaming" headphones/IEMs, just get a good set of comfortable music headphones/IEMs and a standalone mic if you need/want one. Sound is sound. Don't pay for marketing.

  • @leaf8396

    @leaf8396

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah… but some are better than others specifically for gaming. Hitting specific frequencies is really important for audio intensive shooters, so it is definitely something to consider. Dont pay attention to me tho, i have some cheap truthear c crinacle zeroes, but still miles better than my £160 headset for games

  • @justuslm

    @justuslm

    Жыл бұрын

    The only real advantage for gaming is to get something v-shaped. Not because treble gives you more spatial clues or anything (realistically, with hundreds of hours in the game, you will get used to both the sounds themselves and how they sound on your head-/earphones so you will easily pick them out anyway), but because deep, thumping bass and accentuated treble make gunshots and explosions sound more impactful, as well as giving engines a more full sound. And of course tastefully v-shaped head-/earphones will also be well suited for music listening.

  • @aaronv3859

    @aaronv3859

    Жыл бұрын

    you forgot the convenience part. this is kinda niche but as a uni student and an esports player, i find myself often resorting to just use the crappy headset at a cybercafe or borrow my friend's headset bcs my moondrop chu doesnt have a mic lol.

  • @kujiko88

    @kujiko88

    Жыл бұрын

    I just use a pair of HD 599 and a Razer Seiren (was on sale) and I've never had any issues with audio quality going either direction. Every headset I've bought has always had some sort of deal breaker. Too tight on the head, sound wasn't good, cables would die for no reason, mic sucked, etc.

  • @simonrockstream

    @simonrockstream

    Жыл бұрын

    no shit.

  • @SuperReview
    @SuperReview Жыл бұрын

    Putting “gaming” in the name has got to be one of the most effective marketing strategies of all time. Waiting for gaming jackets, gaming compact sedans, gaming coffee mugs, gaming leaf blowers, etc.

  • @VSN-wb2ly

    @VSN-wb2ly

    7 ай бұрын

    dont forget the rgb gimmick

  • @418_im_a_teapot

    @418_im_a_teapot

    6 ай бұрын

    Need a gaming bed, for that competitive advantage in my sleep

  • @ThibautMahringer
    @ThibautMahringer Жыл бұрын

    Razer : "We have tuned these IEMs to not be aggressive" Also Razer : Flat bass with big 2khz and 6khz peaks Yeah... Sure... Nice Job.

  • @mister_magister3798

    @mister_magister3798

    Жыл бұрын

    2kHz peak… ouch it's just… ouch

  • @hufranklin9925

    @hufranklin9925

    Жыл бұрын

    If Razer gives their IEM a boom mic, its sound graph just won't matter anymore🤪

  • @WalkMrJ

    @WalkMrJ

    Жыл бұрын

    The frequency of footsteps turned up with the frequency of gun shots turned down. Yeah. This is what I want.

  • @mister_magister3798

    @mister_magister3798

    Жыл бұрын

    @@WalkMrJ frequency of footsteps is quite high, but not 2/6kHz i believe

  • @VSN-wb2ly

    @VSN-wb2ly

    7 ай бұрын

    @@mister_magister3798 footsteps frequency is varied, sometimes it's in low mid and sometimes it's upper midrange

  • @morgan2488
    @morgan2488 Жыл бұрын

    from what i'm understanding solely from this review, these IEMs are marketed wrong. it seems like this should be marketed as a streamer IEM, rather than a gaming IEM, made to be used for long time streaming use that isn't specifically made to be competitive all the time

  • @why_tho_

    @why_tho_

    Жыл бұрын

    you hit the nail right on the head

  • @lebronjames5287

    @lebronjames5287

    Жыл бұрын

    They have always marketed anything with a gamer tag

  • @jeeewhyyypheee

    @jeeewhyyypheee

    Жыл бұрын

    @@lebronjames5287 This, if a company already put a tag on it then they need to really deliver it

  • @fuad000100

    @fuad000100

    Жыл бұрын

    Then again that price tag

  • @katrinabryce

    @katrinabryce

    Жыл бұрын

    @@RavenL1337 Confortable to wear, good enough sound?

  • @Hashim1
    @Hashim1 Жыл бұрын

    Ah yes finally I've been waiting for so long this gonna be fun to watch

  • @flashjor98
    @flashjor98 Жыл бұрын

    Imagine the Truthear zero signature with Razer Moray comfort at $80. Razer could easily take over the gaming IEM market with that combo. Razer if you're reading this I know you don't like to listen to your consumers (the Cobra), but listen to Crin and make some magic happen.

  • @Alepap.

    @Alepap.

    Жыл бұрын

    No, clearly what this iem needs is RGB, and Synapse

  • @iamjorj

    @iamjorj

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Alepap. kinda shocked they don't already have that

  • @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh

    @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh

    Жыл бұрын

    that would be TOO GOOD, Razer is definitely NOT doing that LMAO

  • @Cupzero007

    @Cupzero007

    Жыл бұрын

    seriously, they should reach out Crin to tuning their next IEM (and just removes the THX gimmick for cheaper price)

  • @ACE112ACE112

    @ACE112ACE112

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Alepap. synapse lol. required login lmao

  • @ClockBestEvent
    @ClockBestEvent Жыл бұрын

    The videography on this video is amazing, kudos

  • @jetflash100
    @jetflash100 Жыл бұрын

    Since crinacle can't say it, I will. The closest thing to a gaming profile, funny enough, is the harman curve, which makes crinnacle's original zero the best gaming iem.

  • @user-dv6yo5bc4z

    @user-dv6yo5bc4z

    Жыл бұрын

    I think future collab sets could be those optimized greater with comfort.

  • @__vha

    @__vha

    Жыл бұрын

    It's been echoed by many FPS gamers that the Zero is a fantastic IEM. There's been a surge of popularity with IEMs for gamers because of the comfort and light weight, seems like Razer is just trying to ride the "fad" among gamers without making an actual good product.

  • @seankuhn6633

    @seankuhn6633

    Жыл бұрын

    I came hear to say this also! I agree 100% they are so good i got 2 Truthear x Criancle Zeros 1 as a back up

  • @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh

    @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh

    Жыл бұрын

    yep, seems most (if not all) game studios master and design their audio with the classic harman target/curve so it makes sense why the Crin Zero excels at gaming (having the extra driver in crossover is what actually helps it above the other 1DD price competitors that also target the Harman Curve).

  • @jetflash100

    @jetflash100

    Жыл бұрын

    @zioperaza2500 if gaming OG1. Reds are a better music experience but lose what makes OG1 good at gaming.

  • @aloha_bensent6494
    @aloha_bensent64946 ай бұрын

    first time watching your videos. i love the entertainment, the reactions, and the timing of everything. You'll be my go to for iems for now on

  • @Huskytickler
    @Huskytickler5 ай бұрын

    Great video Crin, your extensive knowledge and honest appraisal is always appreciated

  • @Sapertf
    @Sapertf Жыл бұрын

    The Final E3000 and Moondrop Quarks are the most comfortable IEMs I have ever used They are so small and light, it doesn't matter the shape of the ear/iem at all

  • @Razar244
    @Razar244 Жыл бұрын

    I'm fairly sure the newer KZ DQS also uses that shell design (Underside looks the same at least) while costing around 10 to 15 euros and having an arguably better tuning too, Harman pinna with BLON BL-03's levels of bass which kinda makes them close-ish to the USOUND target.

  • @bfzsgaming6068

    @bfzsgaming6068

    Жыл бұрын

    The least comfortable IEM i've ever owned. The wing thing was constantly stabbing my ear. Go for Tin T3 Plus it's MILES better.

  • @Asatiir
    @Asatiir Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video. My first impression was I pictured these to be less for competitive gaming and more for single player experiences (specficially handhelds like the Nintendo Switch and the steam deck) so finding out that these were made for streaming is a bit of a surprise. For something like that I use Final Audio A3000s, their sound stage and compact size is great for that.

  • @dzikrimahfud2090

    @dzikrimahfud2090

    7 ай бұрын

    What would you recommend for single player gaming?

  • @Sherolox

    @Sherolox

    4 ай бұрын

    @@dzikrimahfud2090 It's been a while since you've posted this, but, open-back over ear headphones, such as the Sennheiser HD 560S, HD 650, and so on with a wide soundstage and open, transparent sound are great for immersive single player experiences. Some of those are on sale very frequently. IEM soundstage is comparatively lacking, sadly, so it won't be as immersive. Though IEMs with good treble extension and air are an option if you *need* it to be IEMs. If you wish for more action-rich sound, with big boomy explosions, gunshots and so on, you could always EQ some bass onto them. But, besides speakers, you will hardly find anything more spacious and immersive than open back over ear headphones.

  • @_________5610
    @_________5610 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for telling me what to think crinacle!

  • @ryukosho1209
    @ryukosho1209 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the review Crin. I actually enjoyed your analysis of this and found it very informative and food for thought. I expected you to maybe say how bad they are but this was more interesting.

  • @Fennetic
    @Fennetic Жыл бұрын

    I def agree on comfort. One of my first iems was the zs3 and I still miss that kind of fit 3 years later lmao Might buy a tkzk ouranos sometime soon simply for the fit lmao

  • @handlemonium

    @handlemonium

    Жыл бұрын

    Fiio FA1 is another one I love for comfort and treble. Bass and Mids are kinda dull tho cuz of the single BA.

  • @anthonycruz6958
    @anthonycruz69582 ай бұрын

    Great vid, this is actually helpful and will help eq my iems for gaming

  • @rustyshakelford1466
    @rustyshakelford1466 Жыл бұрын

    To me the most comfortable IEM will always be the one with the smallest body, not the body that most conforms to your ear. After all, you can avoid a lot of comfort issues entirely if the shell simply never touches most of the ear. Unfortunately bullet-style IEMs are pretty much ignored these days; There are some good ones, but not many in the community are asking for them and new models are sparse.

  • @illitero

    @illitero

    9 ай бұрын

    Reading your comment made me think of something even smaller than the BLON BL Mini and jokingly calling it the BLON BL0⅐, but a quick google reminded me that they already have a bullet style called the Fat Girl haha. There are definitely a decent selection of this style across price ranges, they're just not hyped up like the more traditional style.

  • @seankuhn6633
    @seankuhn6633 Жыл бұрын

    Truthear x Crinacle zero (blue ones) have an amazing footstep bass aspect while still having excellent top end for glass breaking and grass rustleing! Iceman Issac the warzone streamer is how i found your channel! Thank you for your videos!

  • @ravantgarde1899

    @ravantgarde1899

    Жыл бұрын

    I love them, but even with the smallest Azla Sedneartips my ears cry in pain after a whilee

  • @mr.hanfblatt9152
    @mr.hanfblatt9152 Жыл бұрын

    To me, someone who plays a very sound design based shooter (Hunt: Showdown), a gaming IEM is a gaming IEM when it's good in directional cues. The reason why i still use overear headphones for gaming is, its still often times easier to tell direction with them compared to IEMs (in my case the moondrop aria). Doesent really matter if i can hear foodsteps or not if i cant tell from which direction they're coming from.

  • @NeonMako

    @NeonMako

    11 ай бұрын

    See for Hunt: Showdown specifically, the now old KZ KS7 IEM is still the best I've used. (they don't make it anymore, but I've heard the KZ KS10 is close to the same if not better) Been better than the Aria/Aria SE and similar, better than the classic HD598/HD58X and even better than my AD900X positionally. For most games they are pretty rough, as the midbass bloat has a muddying effect but in Hunt, have no idea why but they are way better than anything else I've used. The classic neutral/highend focus used for competitive gaming seems to be detrimental for that game. (and that game only, so far)

  • @mr.hanfblatt9152

    @mr.hanfblatt9152

    11 ай бұрын

    @@NeonMako ah, thanks for the info. yes, Hunt is very different compared to other competitive shooters due to it's incredible sound design and gameplay-focus around that. Instead of focused on mid/highs, you would need something more rounded due to the many different undertones depending on gun, distance and location (outside/inside building/underground). i'll have to test these out if i can get my hands on them

  • @nikkoa.3639
    @nikkoa.3639 Жыл бұрын

    I'm loving the "That's Amore" lyric in the description

  • @gooberdz
    @gooberdz Жыл бұрын

    Love the green hue theme!! It’s perfect! Gaming companies gotta do better with audio man!!

  • @discoRyne
    @discoRyne Жыл бұрын

    I ran through the Hexa, Hola and Zero:Red for multiple hours in CSGO and Quake and found the Hexa with AutoEQ loaded up had insane positional audio capabilities. Found myself tracking opponents through walls easier than my HD6XX somehow. The only downside is the comfort difference but the drivers found in that set are absolutely brilliant with the W1 tips installed.

  • @Like13Pirates

    @Like13Pirates

    Жыл бұрын

    Could you explain a little more about autoeq? Would it work for the zero red? That’s what I use for PUBG and they have been the best I have ever used. But could I make them better?

  • @Mishael_Agyei-Boamah

    @Mishael_Agyei-Boamah

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Like13Pirates No don't touch the Red with EQ... they're near perfect

  • @hideakikovacs2859

    @hideakikovacs2859

    Жыл бұрын

    Whats recommended for hexa autoeq?

  • @abhitejvelore

    @abhitejvelore

    Жыл бұрын

    Honestly, turning off the music in games leads to a more competitive edge than a lot of IEM's. I play a lo of Dota2, not a game you'd think benefits from improved audio, but ever since I've been playing it without music, you can clearly tell so many interactions apart, that it makes the whole experience better. From a competitive standpoint, no more audio swelling up before specific fights, nothing, you can hear an initiation crystal clear from the fog and keep a track of everything that happens, just by the sound of it.

  • @Ayva_K

    @Ayva_K

    2 ай бұрын

    I hate my Holas for gaming. Are the Zero Reds better for it?

  • @WickedRibbon
    @WickedRibbon Жыл бұрын

    Razer are real funny charging $130 for these. A couple years back I picked up a pair of Sound Magic E11 earphones for I think £25-30, and they've been absolutely stellar for both gaming and movies - despite have zero "gaming" or "streamer" branding. They're perfect for when I don't want to wear a bulky pair of headphones but still want a nice listening experience. I even purchased a second pair for my Switch. So for about £60 all in I've got two comfortable pairs of earphones with great audio - half the price of the Morays, which by Crinacle's account have weak sound quality anyway.

  • @philxdev

    @philxdev

    Жыл бұрын

    people are dumb.... and because people are dumb, we can´t have nice things... have seen beyerdynamics had a pair of inear headphones they were selling for around 20 but when it did not sell they changed the price to 120 and BAAM people start buying.

  • @jacobbruner1
    @jacobbruner1 Жыл бұрын

    Fantastic review

  • @pinopadayao7322
    @pinopadayao73222 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this information. I’m far from being competitive but I have been looking for a one and done setup.

  • @rwa2play
    @rwa2play Жыл бұрын

    Great review; it boggles my mind when one sells an IEM for hundreds of dollars yet the Moondrop Chu's are a fraction of that price and can do the job better.

  • @luisroque9996
    @luisroque9996 Жыл бұрын

    Razer x Crin collab would be insane

  • @chestercopperpot3793
    @chestercopperpot3793 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent review.

  • @MDFaught
    @MDFaughtАй бұрын

    Great review thank you

  • @guilllaumebellemare3070
    @guilllaumebellemare3070 Жыл бұрын

    Could you do a video about the best IEMs for competitive gaming (best for immersion and being able to distinguish footsteps and directions)?

  • @himawari8390

    @himawari8390

    Жыл бұрын

    i wanto to know also @crinacle

  • @abhineetthaire4602

    @abhineetthaire4602

    Жыл бұрын

    Any IEM with decent soundstage and isolation will be good. I use a truthear hola and that works perfectly fine. You are never going to get a kill that you wouldn't have otherwise gotten with a slightly worse IEM

  • @guilllaumebellemare3070

    @guilllaumebellemare3070

    Жыл бұрын

    @@abhineetthaire4602 I also thought that, but watched other reviews from tech youtubers like fresh reviews and brandon taylor on IEMs with good sound stage for gaming applications and it turns out u gotta b careful. Some are good but some surprisingly bad for competitive gaming...

  • @boolaga

    @boolaga

    Жыл бұрын

    Check out Fresh Reviews. He talks about gear from a competitive aspect and has an updated list of preferences in each uploaded video.

  • @Pi22aPino

    @Pi22aPino

    Жыл бұрын

    Check out @Teknickel for a lot of gaming IEM videos.

  • @FIyingPengwin
    @FIyingPengwin10 ай бұрын

    Great video as always. One of thing I would mention though regarding "gaming performance". When it comes to shooters, one thing matter more than anything else, and that is imaging. Being able to pinpoint the enemy, where they are without having to look give a massive edge. Even if the audio quality is garbage, being able to identify where you opponent is coming from is the biggest thing. Sound-stage would be right up there next to it. It is part of the reason why the Sennheiser PC38x is successful. The sound quality is not great, but the imaging on it is absurd.

  • @SergioPerez-tv3ne

    @SergioPerez-tv3ne

    10 ай бұрын

    Would u get pc38x or another sennheiser if I have external mic

  • @sadfrog5787

    @sadfrog5787

    4 ай бұрын

    hd6xx​@@SergioPerez-tv3ne

  • @thegift6749
    @thegift6749 Жыл бұрын

    the ending was masterful

  • @GTexperience_Channel
    @GTexperience_Channel11 ай бұрын

    hey @crinacle , what do u think is the best wireless headphones/headset?

  • @evilswineunderwood995
    @evilswineunderwood995 Жыл бұрын

    When comfort lights a spark But the sound is too dark That‘s a Moray

  • @cloaca1234
    @cloaca1234 Жыл бұрын

    I like your point of view and how you support your ideas. About the suggested lowering of the price, people nowadays just buy 'gaming' things due to the tag, and even more so with Razer products. Razer never lowers its prices.

  • @Redtop1989
    @Redtop19894 ай бұрын

    Not gonna lie when you told me to fuck off at the end I hit that subscribe button hahaha

  • @ax356
    @ax356 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the review, I've been thinking about investing in some wired IEMs or earbuds for long hours but I want good sound, thabks for the heads up! Do you have any you really recommend?😊

  • @sincitisaint223
    @sincitisaint223 Жыл бұрын

    That's it, we need Crinacle to team up with someone and help tune for gaming, footsteps and the such specifically.

  • @mpetrov2402

    @mpetrov2402

    Жыл бұрын

    See the thing is gaming is more than shooters. Not that I'll buy this overpriced * * * * but it seems that the signature would be awesome for all other game genres that don't involve shooting or listening to footsteps.

  • @Sherolox

    @Sherolox

    4 ай бұрын

    @@mpetrov2402 Gaming *is* more than just FPS, but sadly, since the FPS and competitive gaming market is larger than ever the term 'Gaming' will, at least currently, be nearly synonymous with any kind of shooter game. Especially since a lot of people buy wired IEMs solely for that perceived competitive advantage. If you'd ask me for more versatile 'Gaming' headphones or IEMs, I'd tell you soundstage, immersion and a decent amount of action to the sound are important. But, add too much bass and everything will sound muffled and boxy.

  • @napalmhardcore
    @napalmhardcore Жыл бұрын

    After spending a considerable amount of time reading forum threads about gaming headphones/headsets and trying out different things, I've found myself largely going my own way. Firstly, not only is preference highly subjective, but sometimes your actual experience can be subjective. I've seen people revere headphones for gaming due to their huge sound stage and frequency response that helps them more easily pick out footsteps, but when I tried them, the imaging was off so that visual and audio cues didn't line up (think an object appearing to be 45 degrees sounding as if it's at 60 degrees) and there was just this disconnect between what I was seeing and what I was hearing. Regarding the subjective experience part I mentioned above: When I bought what I'd call my first pair of real headphones (not just whatever happened to be in whichever shop I was in at the time and were cheap or included free with something), they seemed to be pretty well regarded in their price bracket. For me however they had a bizarre property. They had an extremely wide sound stage, but no forward depth whatsoever. In fact, certain sounds which should sound as if they were in front of me seemed like they were passing just behind the line between my ears towards the back of my head. This was true with music too so that certain panning effects seemed to come from behind me/towards the back of my head. What works best for me are neutral headphones/IEMs with good imaging and good dynamics. I like neutral headphones/IEMs because I can build up a better mental image of the environment when different aspects of it are balanced in proportion to each other. The benefit of good imaging is obvious. Sounds line up with where they are visually. Good dynamics are not discussed nearly enough in conversations about gaming headphones. In my experience sound stage has two main contributors: 1) Dynamics and 2) Frequency response. Frequency response can be used to create the illusion of a large soundstage which can be pleasant for music but is detrimental for games because you sacrifice accuracy for a faux sense of space. If you have a neutral headphone/IEM with good imaging, dynamics is what gives you depth and a genuine sense of distance.

  • @hotshot590

    @hotshot590

    10 ай бұрын

    Any recommendations?

  • @napalmhardcore

    @napalmhardcore

    10 ай бұрын

    @@hotshot590 For headphones: HD 560S. I actually just had a DT 900 Pro X arrive today which might be a good choice but haven't tested in a game yet. Sounds good for music though. For IEMs: Truthear Hexa/Zero Red (Personally I prefer the Hexa's sub to mid bass transition) or Blessing 2 (I've not tried the Dusk, but going off the Zero Red's tuning I think I'd prefer the regular Blessing 2, sorry if you're reading this, Crin). For headset's I don't have a recommendation at the moment. It's been a long time since I've played anything online which requires a mic. I have a HyperX Cloud 2 I haven't used in a long time so I don't really remember my impressions and I used to have a Sennheiser Game One which I remember being a bit underwhelmed with. I remember it being a bit dull and lifeless compared to my HD 598s. If Sennheiser ever slap a mic on a 560S that would pretty much be my ideal headset. I'd probably pick one up just in case I got back into online gaming. I tried a ModMic for a while but just found it to be a bit annoying. I much prefer the functionality of a dedicated headset.

  • @EG-MAN
    @EG-MAN Жыл бұрын

    finally! Content

  • @bondiger1
    @bondiger1 Жыл бұрын

    The best outro in the game. Cracks me up every time lolol

  • @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh
    @shanksisnoteventhatstrongbruh Жыл бұрын

    Moray shape + made of magnesium (like the Viper SE) + Crin Zero Tuning + TruthEar Hexa driver config + a good dynamic boom mic for $130-$150 would have been Killer but instead they made this... Razer is fucking up BAD recently (the Cobra Pro mouse is such a weird release too).

  • @acidicfate
    @acidicfate Жыл бұрын

    People are realizing IEM's are generally better for gaming, in semi-comp to competitive, but as you said, the lines get blurred between IEM's and Cans if you know what to listen for. But companies see this, and are just smashing lack luster IEM's into the market hoping people buy them only due to the brand name. Why does this bother me? If these are someones introduction to IEM's, they get a horrible first time experience and will probably just go back to their cans and miss out all that IEM's can offer. At the $130 price point these have, there are WAY better options available, most are cheaper too.

  • @salbowski3864
    @salbowski3864 Жыл бұрын

    I've never used IEMs but I'm curious if they can provide a wide soundstage? I feel like the historical go-to was an audiophile headphone with a wide soundstage and detailed imaging . Are there IEMs capable of doing this? Again, I've never used IEMs but my brain is saying that seems hard to achieve being crammed in your earhole.

  • @hubrisir7646
    @hubrisir76463 ай бұрын

    Great video as always, we need a new gaming headphones/IEM buying guide updated to 2024! Or maybe a gaming ranking list 😄

  • @shApYT
    @shApYT Жыл бұрын

    Your next IEM needs to use an ergo shell for sleep. Pls make it cheap. TY.

  • @JohnXuandou
    @JohnXuandou Жыл бұрын

    For $130 these days you can regularly find the Letshuoer S12 on sale, and not only will that have really big bass for those types of sounds, it also has a pretty forward and emphasized treble region as well. If you're looking for detail, clarity, resolution, sound separation in an IEM, it's basically unbeatable at that price. And it's not bad for music either. I don't know what Razer was thinking with this.

  • @RizzY_RUS

    @RizzY_RUS

    Жыл бұрын

    I've got IKKO OH10 for 110$ :D

  • @philxdev

    @philxdev

    Жыл бұрын

    razor has shelf space and they want a piece of the market... so they just wing it and release this product as their answer to the "trend". and while you are an informed consumer with brains who can differentiate good and bad, make no mistake... there are plenty who can´t and will just buy buy buy. razor is probably not loosing anything over this... considering the sound quality their r&d cost is most likely outsourced and next to nothing as they just went to another oem.

  • @ahsaft
    @ahsaft Жыл бұрын

    are you gonna make a new guide to iems at some point? since the one linked on your website is not available anymore (yes i know there is a tierlist but god damn there are a lot, and now that i see this shell design i feel like i would need to look even longer for that)

  • @ESP3DINA
    @ESP3DINA Жыл бұрын

    Outstanding description

  • @Neil_Mackie
    @Neil_Mackie Жыл бұрын

    For CSGO at LAN events you'll see players with earphones or IEMs under the tournament issued headsets, but they all seem to be pretty bog standard stuff or, as Crin says, sponsor dependent. I recall dev1ce asking for advice a while back about better IEMs - he was trying Shures at the time - and it would appear there is a target market for game tuned IEMS. Whether anybody will delve into data files or to test frequency of noises in certain games and design IEMs around that is perhaps a different matter, particularly if user hardware or set up could affect this in someway.

  • @ahmedbenlahrech5352

    @ahmedbenlahrech5352

    Жыл бұрын

    Yup, I remember also a CSGO pro criticizing the sponsored IEMs, I would really love the data of what IEMs pros prefer, I have the Salnotes zeroes and I play CSGO at a high level but I prefer my cheap headphones over my IEMs ( even though my Zeroes blow my headphones out of the water when it comes to quality it's not even comparable) since they have better stereo imagining since by definition, it's hard to achieve that on an IEM

  • @De4dSp0t
    @De4dSp0t Жыл бұрын

    Honestly, Soundstage is king for gaming. It's why things like the AKG k712 and the SHP9500 for a budget option are incredible. They are super wide and can easily pinpoint footsteps. Excessive bass actually drowns out important audio. If you're looking to boost those you want to buy a amp/dac like the SoundBlaster g6 as an example. Plenty of other options but those will do better at boosting what you want when you want and the rest of the time having your headphones be great for movies and music.

  • @kvernesdotten

    @kvernesdotten

    10 ай бұрын

    Thats suprising to me, I have a rather big collection of headphones and IEMs in all kinds of price ranges, and the k712 has actually been my "daily driver" since 2016 spesifically because of the comfort and how natural sounding they are. KZread, podcasts and audio books are a dream with those, so is whatever little audio editing I do. Pretty decent for games too, but if I play something I want to really be immersed in, I swap them. While the imaging is pretty decent on them, ive never found them to be especially wide sounding though. Ive always found them to be quite close, but never so much it feels like you get audio pumped into your ear like alot of closed backs etc. Im curious now, what are you comparing it to?

  • @JetBfly
    @JetBfly11 ай бұрын

    Can you help me with your expertise? I've been streaming on Twitch from my xbox with my headset plugged in to my xbox remote. I changed to IEM also connected to my xbox remote. I've been getting a buzzing noise when I listen to my voice on my stream VOD. What can be the cause of the buzzing noise? When I'm in party on xbox people say they don't hear buzz it's only on my stream.

  • @ZBM2
    @ZBM2 Жыл бұрын

    When looking at gear to use while gaming there’s really 2 big things to look for. Comfort and Price. If I’m playing FPS: Spatial Audio is then the biggest contributor to “Competitive Advantage.” (Which lets be honest a pair of open backs headphones will be your best option here for comfort and a more “natural” spatial audio experience; not IEMs) If I’m wanting it on console, the boom mic is also wanted for convenience. A super simple concept that is just constantly being missed in the IEM market.

  • @duewest1987
    @duewest1987 Жыл бұрын

    Regarding the bass, a lower bass response actually helps with competitive gaming because your ears aren't being dwarfed by excessive bass which lets you have more spatial awareness. In Apex Legends for example, the bass of gunshots is so loud it crowds out other important sounds. Not sure how treble affects competitive gaming but from my experience it's not that important

  • @SammerJammer
    @SammerJammer Жыл бұрын

    A truthear x Crinacle Zero with the footstep and gunshot tuning bumps for 50 bucks sold as a "gaming IEM" would kill in the market. Only thing that bugs me with the current iteration is the larger nozzle after extended usage. Toss some funky cyberpunk colors on a box and ship em lol

  • @Shardsounds
    @Shardsounds Жыл бұрын

    THE BEST GAMING IEM is one which you've gotten used to the sound signature of XD you can argue that boosting specific frequencies can help with isolating footsteps and gunshots but if you're used to the sound signature of your iem/headphone then you're already looking for sounds in those frequencies anyways i've been gaming with several different headphones/iems (hd6xx, ksc75, kato, chu) and i've never had an issue where I couldn't hear the footsteps or gunshots or haven't been able to remember which direction it came from

  • @iXatsyafiq
    @iXatsyafiq Жыл бұрын

    Does anybody know why my moondrop chu IEM suddenly have right side quite after 2-3 hours of use? Have only used it on my laptop so far. I'm very new to IEM.

  • @Hari-kx2er
    @Hari-kx2er Жыл бұрын

    At this point, I have zero idea why companies release iems with crap frequency response whether for music or gaming. I get that in the early days of the audiophile community, it was difficult to know which sound signature is good. So they just thrown a bunch of stuff at the wall to see what stuck. However, now a days it is easy to understand which sound signature to prioritise for which use case scenario. There are many famous fr curves including Harman, Crinacle and also the fr curves of Andrew from HPS, Precog, BGGAR etc. Only abject laziness seems to be the reason for purely tuned iems these days. How much extra money or effort would it have cost Razr to tune this iem according to Harmon or similar to something like truthear Hexa??

  • @TenjinZekken

    @TenjinZekken

    Жыл бұрын

    Imo, there is a market for true gaming iems, meaning an iem whose sound signature doesn't sound good, but fully isolate footsteps, gunshots, and sound effects that are reactable to. I don't know what kind of graph that would look like, and Im not saying these hit that goal, but I think there's market for bad sounding, but specificly tuned audio equipment.

  • @BruhCh
    @BruhCh Жыл бұрын

    daddy crin upload a new video!

  • @4HazardousMaterial
    @4HazardousMaterial Жыл бұрын

    Will you review the new moondrop chu 2 with removable cables. Love your channel Crin and I'm enjoying my 7hz salnotes zero's with poweramp app on my phone. Thankyou

  • @INTHEARKADE
    @INTHEARKADE3 ай бұрын

    I have watched 2 of your videos, yes 2. Since then I have bought your Zero Red IEMS and put all my razer products in the bin. I wonder how the 3rd video will change my life? Love the content please never stop

  • @tejaswiraj6610
    @tejaswiraj6610 Жыл бұрын

    I do wonder if what razer was trying to emphasize was the material sound. Modern FPS games have really distinct (almost unrealistic) sounds for every material the player can run through and in my experience is the thing I am always looking for instead of how loud the actual footstep is since after playing a map enough you can tell where the enemy is off it

  • @Cryowatt
    @Cryowatt Жыл бұрын

    "What is a gaming _anything_?" Let's be real, it's one thing: RGB lighting

  • @johnlepilote2
    @johnlepilote2 Жыл бұрын

    @crinacle any chance to get the Hifiman Svanar Wireless review? :) thanks for all your work as always!

  • @sheikhabdullah873
    @sheikhabdullah87311 ай бұрын

    Can't wait for your *Moondrop Chu II* review.

  • @isaacclarke2072
    @isaacclarke2072 Жыл бұрын

    I think the choked high range of this is particularly useful for shooting games. Competitive shooters for hours on end do get very fatiguing.

  • @chrisy7738
    @chrisy7738 Жыл бұрын

    chu 2 chu2 chu2 UwU

  • @etherealjaunt356

    @etherealjaunt356

    Жыл бұрын

    Lmao, chuchu

  • @MissOaky
    @MissOaky Жыл бұрын

    Damnit Crin with your song lyric descriptions.

  • @why_tho_
    @why_tho_ Жыл бұрын

    btw, can you measure the Tangzu Wan'er SG if you get the chance?

  • @TommyLoaded
    @TommyLoaded Жыл бұрын

    Great review, Razer is killing it.

  • @lhynorris

    @lhynorris

    Жыл бұрын

    ikr the product is dead on arrival

  • @leosakalam
    @leosakalam Жыл бұрын

    No RGB = Not Gaming

  • @ToreOnYouTube
    @ToreOnYouTube4 ай бұрын

    Writing this before watching. I love the design of them. I want the casing with a great driver!

  • @claybaker2758
    @claybaker2758 Жыл бұрын

    What size ear tip replacement for monarch mk3, either I'm stupid or just can't seem to find the appropriate size and I lost an ear tip. Love your content keep it up.

  • @draxasdrek401
    @draxasdrek401 Жыл бұрын

    Hi Crin, long time fan. would you please review Moondrop Chu II? The original was so good at such a low price, I would like to know your thoughts on the new one before buying a bunch of them.

  • @teamswerved9126
    @teamswerved912611 ай бұрын

    hey i notice you wear glasses i do too and my headsets cause literal bleeding on the side of my head what could i use or get to help with that i have a pair of iems coming but is there a headset alternative

  • @jackaaii
    @jackaaii11 ай бұрын

    i am new to iems shouldnt you just able to tune the morays to be normal again and have comfortable decent souding iems?

  • @RyouEmerald
    @RyouEmerald Жыл бұрын

    I've just learned over the years that anything involving audio and it has "Gaming" on it, to just ignore it. Over the years I've just ended up getting a good pair of headphones, IEM, and a good microphone. I find them just fine for games and music and anything. Good audio equipment is good for everything in my opinion.

  • @Cube1990
    @Cube19904 ай бұрын

    Hey crinacle, thanks for ur impressive content! I have a question now. Which iEM's would you recommend for gaming in a price range of €200 (1.024,10MYR)

  • @jumpin2889
    @jumpin288911 ай бұрын

    Hello crinacle, can you suggest an iem that is comfortable to use for long periods of time?

  • @JuonQi
    @JuonQi Жыл бұрын

    0:38 bruh the way you said that 😂😂

  • @r34telletubies29
    @r34telletubies29 Жыл бұрын

    there are things the gaming lable can be applied to such as a mouse(weight and sensors being important) monitor(refresh rate and other thngs) mouepads(due to design size texture material etc.) but things such as iem's headphones keyboards and such dont mean anything when put the gaming label on them i have 50$ "gaming" headphones that i got because the sound wasnt terrible and the mic was actually good and they get beat by moondrop because i can genuenly pinpoint the location of a sound with them the only thing they are worse at is the mic quality

  • @icehGG
    @icehGG Жыл бұрын

    Blessing

  • @aboteaf
    @aboteaf Жыл бұрын

    You are great reviewer 👍

  • @darkpatrix4452
    @darkpatrix4452 Жыл бұрын

    I'm using Tin Hifi T3+ for gaming, it's working for competitive gaming. CSGO & Valorant, you can hear the footstep and gunshot clearly. for music, works really well except for some song from metal. is there any good iem for listening metal music?

  • @alx_slav4068
    @alx_slav4068 Жыл бұрын

    do you have any thoughts about the sennheiser h201?, i use them and they sound pretty good too me

  • @illitero
    @illitero Жыл бұрын

    Did you test them in conjunction with Razer's software? Because like any other gAmiNg peripheral, the product is as cheap as possible while the software works overtime to add zazz to otherwise mundane hardware. That's a pretty big THX logo on the Razer box, so I can only assume these are tuned to level out the harshness often put out by gAyMiNgGg DSPs and their 5D RGB 6.9 surround emulation

  • @yorxxx
    @yorxxx Жыл бұрын

    For when a video about Kz? I feel it would be interesting to see your point of view of Kz and his history. Something that I think would help everyone who is starting in the world of iem and you could also leave your opinion about some models. IT WOULD BE GREAT.

  • @MetaLexxer
    @MetaLexxer4 ай бұрын

    Thank you! Finally, someone attempts to define a "gaming IEM" while offering useful/supportive commentary around the entire debacle.

  • @ianspy1
    @ianspy1 Жыл бұрын

    I have played with Arias, E5000's and LZ A2 pro's. All where great. E5000's where best for rumbly subbass. Which made the games more imerssive. This led me to buying crusher evo's... And I am actually happy 😂. Playing "ground branch" for example gives the shots really nice impact, and makes you way more immersed :D Only issue I have is that the subbass make it very very weird to self monitor my voice. Which I am used to from using IEM's. This can be a bit annoying when talking on discord, I have thought about just wearing IEM's with them on xD I also have to say some bad stuff about my Arias... Did not like them. If you look online you will see that the paint will chip off. And I also had this weird issue where the IEM's wherent propperly "vented", I guess ? Moisture would cause them to get unbalanced in terms of volume. Putting them back in a case with silica "fixed" them every time.

  • @pedrowilliam8945
    @pedrowilliam8945 Жыл бұрын

    Hey Crin, I just started subcribing to you and bought my very first moondrop. thx for the new addiction. I'm having a hard time knowing what to do now, like I hear you said EQ is great, but how the heck do I do it on my IEM? and what else shoud I do now?

  • @Lishtenbird

    @Lishtenbird

    Жыл бұрын

    The Headphone Show has a video on EQ basics.

  • @epicplayer7400
    @epicplayer7400 Жыл бұрын

    crinacle is evolving in a more accurate reviews direction!

  • @OneClip
    @OneClip Жыл бұрын

    “UnPresidented” subscribed haha 😊

  • @ki_wi_8525
    @ki_wi_85252 ай бұрын

    Greatest critic on Yt. Love the reviews. 👍

  • @minisniper221
    @minisniper22111 ай бұрын

    Do you think a good EQ can fix bad sounding headphones ? Like the blackshark v2 x . Lets say you get an EQ that makes them sound as neutral as they can be. Would that eliminate some of their weaknesses or no ?

  • @NoHonorPenta
    @NoHonorPenta8 ай бұрын

    Just a quick Headsup, InEar actually was created after Hörluchs. It is as well a German Company, but from the Music Scene.

  • @maejrmusic
    @maejrmusic Жыл бұрын

    off topic....can someone help me eq sony linkbuds s? feel so lifeless with the default tuning for me, a basshead.....and the presets seems not helping.

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