Hey folks it is just me ranting to E-Flite and HH . Why I am not getting the big Trojan and decided to give you an updated hanger tour also.

Agree with your decision on not to buy and high pricing 100%. Great hanger tour, thanks so much. I don't know how you keep so many planes clean. Saw just one or two with some dust, amazing.

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! The Man Cave is like a true cave in that it is mostly underground. My house has one of the very few basements or near basements in Central Florida. it has a good ventilation system which helps with the dust.

Thank you for the tour and I also agree with you that the 2 meter T 28 is not worth the price. It should at least have the easy connect wings and like you said, the paint leaves more unpainted spots and the problem with the gear makes for a buyers remorse if you get one..

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I love Eflite and HH but this plane needed a little more oven time to make sure it was ready. And the prices are just getting to high to keep up with.

Thanks for the tour! Very nice covey of birds

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Thank you for sharing your hangar with us.

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

I totally agree with you on HH. Keep up the informative and down to earth enjoyable videos! Back to HH. After a 3-4 year hiatus I have returned to electric only RC. Many years ago I was using nicad, than nimh, than about 20 years ago I discovered Lipo's and brushless motors. I was fortunate to catch what you have!!!!! After spending thousands at HH over the years I have spent my last cent with them. I recently had sold my near 200 plane inventory and I have decided to fly again after settling down in a new home and spending on MTB's what I used to spend on RC. I will keep the 4 MTB's I built up and recently started a new hanger of planes with a SUS, AeroScout, Eratix, and the Habu STS. the Habu had 2 defective servo's and I still have not maidened it because HH who you cannot talk to anymore on the phone wanted me to jump through hoops and do things I refuse to do. This after spending over $900 the past month with those sorry folks. After watching your Shrike reviews I also picked that up at Motion who along with Buddys RC, Chief Aircraft and HK will get most of my future business! Thank you for allowing me to rant and get this off my chest!

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

No issue at all, vent to me anytime you wish! I would not be so hard on HH if had not gone to all chat based CS. They make a good product but they are loosing customers to their new CS format and the constant price hikes are no help at all.

@elwoodkotil2538

Жыл бұрын

@@FatGuyFliesRC I totally agree!

Greg love your rant. I agree, E-Flite ( Horizon) has a strangle hold on the RC market. It is flat out greed. I have not bought anything from them for over two years. I am so happy to see Xfly, and Arrows put products out there at uninflated prices. Not only that, E-Flite puts a plane out there for a year or so, pulls it off the market, along with the parts. Example the P- 39 Airacobra 1.2m. It won't be long until Horizon gobbles up the new brands, if not already.

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

They absorbed Tower hobbies, Parkzone, Flyzone, Hanger Nine, and who knows what else. However FMS is the big driving force behind E-Flite and Other planes. X-Fly is seperate from FMS and stands alone. That's why I like them also. But dont beat up E-Flite and HH to much they are still at the mercy of CHINA.

Hello Greg you have an amazing hanger of beautiful planes!! And I totally agree with you about the outrageous cost of some models! I'm 67 years old and a amputee which is a large cost just to walk, I got into the hobby about 21/2 years ago and already spent thousands of dollars on planes and batteries,chargers and then these companies come out with planes that we all would love to have but at almost $1000 just to get it into your hanger is just too much for the average person to pay out! And that's my little rant on over priced planes to the companies lol have a great week Greg your friend Marty from Canada 🇨🇦 🛩 🛩

@michaelwilkins5841

Жыл бұрын

I agree… molded planes when you see balsa arf for less…love balsa and I like some the molded ones…but you are right 700 a pop….if I’m gonna spend 1000 on a foamy then I’m gonna wait and go on to the upscale heavy duty fiberglass ones for 2500…I’m getting disappointed in the price gouging you are seeing now….and to just blame the Chinese companies…no, I blame myself for not telling them I cannot afford their product at these prices and not buy them…you are right, should not be quality problem at all(sloppy)

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir! Smaller to medium size in the 1.1 to 1.5 m class is the direction E-Flite needs to go. And keep them under $400!

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Yeah a big stip of white to where it looks like they forgot at the factory to paint it is a shooty job. it makes you wonder where else did they skimp on?

You almost have em all! I agree totally that some RC planes are just to pricey considering it's a piece of foam with some electronics not to expensive to manufacture. That's why I put a cap and don't purchase anything that needs more than a 4s 2200mAh battery. You gotta draw the line somewhere.

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Good strategy! I would break it quick however, the second something comes out that is different or weird I gotta have it, next thing ya know.....100 plus planes and no room. Not to mention broke!!!

@SunriseRCAviator

Жыл бұрын

@@FatGuyFliesRC I know. It is an addiction.

Nice hanger bud. Awesome collection 👊👊👍👍

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for coming

@smokeymountainrctravisThompson

Жыл бұрын

@@FatGuyFliesRC 👍👍

Great hangar tour. I know prices have gone up a lot but so have cost from the factory, shipping from the factory to the retail seller. The retail sellers cost has gone up a lot too. The price of the Big Yellow T28 is higher but it’s still a bargain compared to other 2m planes that fly great. If I didn’t have a cz Big T28 I’d get the new one. Jeff in LA USA

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Well it does not help that HH has abandoned true customer service with no voice to voice calls anymore. But I do admit ,IF your good at online chats then there CS in CHAT is very good. However most of their customers wish to talk to someone instead of trying to put the problem into text.and i am with you , I just cant justify the big yellow one when my present one fly great.

Greg, I completely agree what you say about the process! In the last year everything has gone up so much! That is what attracted me at first that you could get a decent starter plane for about a hundred and a nice one for about 150. Now with everything it's quite frustrating.. I dint blame you. It makes it harder for inexperienced rc pilots without money(to break into the hobby) not that I have any! Thanks for what you do for the hobby. Planeless Dsylexic Pilot signing off..😂

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing and listening to this fat guy. It is hard to get in and stay in as a beginner. Then you add in rising prices it is that much harder. Thanks for stopping by.

This is a sign your getting better. I have 5 P51 yellow, red, blue, silver ,Well maybe I only have 4

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

I do plan on a new yellow T-28 but it will be the FMS 1400 one. Also the Banana Hobby 1.1m Jolly Rodger 1 at some point.

Models do take up space, but they are more fun than whatever they displace.

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Never thought about it that way......well going shopping..lol

You’re collection is scaring me, I have the same addiction lol

@FatGuyFliesRC

9 ай бұрын

Careful it gets VERY expensive!!!

I too have the addiction. But having seen where you're at with your addiction, that makes me feel a little bit better about mine, because I have a mere 25 airplanes, well 24 cuz I had a takeoff incident with my 1.2 P51. Trouble is, I'm a guitarist so I'm also addicted to guitars, and that's expensive as well. I also bought the CZ T-28, the yellow one, simply because I wanted it and don't have it. It's a fun airplane to fly, but yes $700 is way too much, and if your takes the fun out of flying $700 around knowing a mistake is just around the corner. I've learned so much from you and your channel, and dig the honesty. Peace, from California!

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks and yes our hobbies are pricy , however they are a distraction from life and helps to reset our brain to deal with life again when we return to it.

i'm totally agree with you, the pricing getting out of hands. also, i thought enough people complain, including me, about the retracts from the previous model e-flite would redesign them at least, how disappointing. you just save me 700 bucks, thanks

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Watch this video, these guys show the retracts fail in flight and they know what they are doing. kzread.info/dash/bejne/iq6HxJNueaa_e6Q.html

I totally agree about the prices, I’m just not starting to get into the hobby and I haven’t even got a plane yet bc I can’t afford it at the moment 😅 but I’ll be in the sky with you guys soon 🖤

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Be very careful it is a VERY addictive hobby!!

@bearsyandwee

Жыл бұрын

No connection to any company but take a look at the Xfly Tasman good reports everywhere on KZread, I believe Greg also posted one.

@jarrinharris3395

Жыл бұрын

@@FatGuyFliesRC thank you! It helps being able to see guys like you who’ve been there and done it, I feel like I’m starting in a good place so thanks!

Nice hanger buddy I wish I had that much room. I have a dozen planes still in boxes. I have the disease too. Lol. As far as prices go shipping has gone way up from China, but the big man always has to make his money first. We know that. I love eflite planes, kinda nice to do a easy bnf model here and there. So easy. But xfly and the other company's make great planes. The smart technology we are paying for and we don't need it. Thanks for the review , more people are saying the same thing.

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I have all that smart tech, rarely use it.

👏👏👏👏👏👏 So, glade someone on your level said it. I've been saying this for a while, I get and totally understand the meaning of (you get what you pay for). However, these prices on HH planes are a little ridiculous. I've switched over from Spektrum to FrSky stuff just so I didn't have to buy their products, and Franky so far much better bang for the buck and then some. One day, others will realize that if you stop buying that stuff, the prices will become reasonable in order to compete. My 1.1M T28 from BH looks even better with that Jolly Roger's paint job next to this over prices other ones. Lol. Nice hanger brother, keep up the great works. And please reach out to me when you're ready to sale some of those beauty's!

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing, I was really looking hard at the BH Jolly Rodgers Trojan. do you like the way it flies, is it a heavy plane?

@ltfadl1

Жыл бұрын

@@FatGuyFliesRC Oh yes it flies great to me, very touchy though so keep that in mind when setting control surface rates. The flaps and air brake slows the plane down greatly to do low and slow flights and landings. Check out RC Informers videos on it, since I have yet to post pics. I have crashed mine, all my fault, hit some trees a couple of times and its very sturdy, the landing gear doors are a little tricky but in flight I never had one stick. I also have the red and white one but its the kit version so I have not put it together.

Yeah, as I have become more familiar with my nx8, and the Telemetry receivers, I was really bummed the other day to find out that the ar637ta receiver in my Turbo Timber evolution (the receiver that comes with all of the HH BNF models) does not have the barometer sensor for altitude information, I mean seriously by the time you take the effort to manufacture two almost identical receivers, just manufacturer one version that has the barometer in it. to add the barometer sensor cost $60 which is just ridiculous.

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Sometime I do not like all the fancy tech. Just give me a good strong signal and a nice 7mpd west wind and I am happy!

Totally agree, here in the UK this model is the equivalent of $910 plus postage!! HH shut their UK operation and the appointed outlet is wholesale to trade only and only carry out warranty and repair work. You have to buy from independent stores who all mark up. HH Europe post Brexit now refuse to post to the UK as well. I'm doing a bit of a project and wanted someEflite twin Otter prop adapters, they are a 100% mark up on the US price and 50% on the EU price. I have some older Parkzone items 49 inch Mosquitos, etc and Eflite FW190a and Draco both BNF. I've stopped buying Eflite and buy most items now from Motion RC Europe, arrives in a few days they dont have an issue sending to the UK and having spoken to them they dont understand why HH has abandoned the market here as they are doing very nicely out of it especially on the EDF's. On the T28, everybody has an opinion but how many @?:~#"&* versions of this model are there, come on manufactures its boring, ohh another P51, Spitfire. So you painted it yellow, cynical buyer abuse, though it does look good in yellow. I'll bet HH put this in the box for about $100. Enough moaning, great hangar tour.

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing and I am sorry that it seems HH has abandoned you. Eflite really does need to expand their line to stay relevant. The need to stop reproducing the same ole same ole but in new color and better electronice but with 50% price hick or more. On the flip side of that there are a few of their planes that should NEVER go away but just be continually improved. The Valiant 1.3 is the perfect example of that.

@bearsyandwee

Жыл бұрын

I also have at the lower end a £230 -$300 -ish a Dynam Gloster Meteor, PNP!! enough said on that one.

I hear you. Thankfully, I neither need nor want as many planes as you have. Also, prefer models in the 900-1200mm size which helps to keep the cost down. I'll sprinkle in a FT build here and there. Almost always wait for a sale before I buy no matter how much I want a particular model. Fun hobby but it can get expensive.

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Cool share!

Well I must agree especially when you spend your own money. Everyone is not getting planes sent to them for free.Also, I feel like if a Chinese company who sell more products than Eflite can dream of, you can personally talk to a person. Woww America companies.

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the online chat is ok but when you have a real problem you want to talk voice to voice.

The 2m Trojan suffers retract issues because it doesn’t have shock absorbing landing gear. I wanted one but I did a U turn when I found out that it still had the same motor and L/G

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

They claim the retracts are newer and more reliable however I have seen a video where the retracts fail on this new one just like the old one does. Here is that video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iq6HxJNueaa_e6Q.html

@notbadgerbutrich

Жыл бұрын

@@FatGuyFliesRC yeah I think even if it had fortified retracts having such a large heavy foam model you need something to absorb the shock. It’s good having an KZread reviewer who his giving a balanced view , you might not be liked by manufacturers but you’ll be loved by watchers & God

Your Cub J3, is that the balsa version…? 6:16

I'm on the fence, can't decide on the fms 1.4m or eflite 2.0m and you're swaying me to the fms which has sprung retracts and multi pin wing plugs. I also have a couple of 4s so can fly out of the box. I totally understand your thinking on it, and thank you for saying about someone who's already had a problem with the 2m retracts . Reliability has to be number 1

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

If I get another Trojan it will be the FMS one. OR!! the Bannana hobby one in the jolly Rodgers livery.

Can you post some links of the retract issue ? I have not seen any videos on You Tube about the issue. I was planning on getting the model because I too thought the retracts had solved, but if not, then I'm not spending the money either.

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Right here and these guys do a ton of reviews: kzread.info/dash/bejne/iq6HxJNueaa_e6Q.html

I agree how many different types of trojans can one have. I have 3 and thats enough. HH needs to come up with some new designs. I haven't bought anything lately from them bc its all the same and gets boring, I rant all the time so its good to see you also. Thanks for sharing bud!!

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

I want them to produce a 1.1 to 1.5m German Stuka!!! Or a p38 in that class!

@DronemanJoeRc

Жыл бұрын

@@FatGuyFliesRC that would be nice. A few months back we maiden my freewing p38 and that was a pricey birds once it was all finished. He is a link to the video kzread.info/dash/bejne/gY2Ks9SffZyalNY.html im just about done with these over priced huge models.

@bearsyandwee

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see a 2.0m DH Mosquito, Im wrapping my two Parkzone 49" versions in cotton wool. Has never been properly replicated in foam. The kit versions, Brian Taylor etc cost £$£$£$'s. Robart quoted me $1000 for the main landing gear alone. Also a Avro Vulcan, Freewing have the B2 and Xfly the B1-B Lancer so fingers crossed. I sent Xfly a begging letter, didnt say no.

If you flew 1 plane a day, without new ones mixed in, how many days to fly through them?

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Roughley 110 days.

Yep price are gone to farrrr ,way to far and we all have to work hard

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that and visiting.

Your 109 is really a Fw-190

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I actually miss named a few planes in the video not to mention I left as few out.

Prices have gone up on everything I don’t think it’s fair to rag on E-Flite. They make amazing air planes and if it wasn’t made of foam they would be thousands instead of hundreds be real

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

To some extent I agree with you but there has to be some limits somewhere. Yes I understand that comparable t-28 in wood would be three times as much properly equipped but this is foam and the cost for them to produce this plane is exponentially smaller. They would sell many many more planes in the 1.1m to 1.5 m class if they were refined and diverse and under $400. And this from someone who should have purchased stock in E-Flite years ago...lol

@capnhardway

Жыл бұрын

You find out their profit margins and see if you feel the same .

Yaa I no I love it to but way to much for what you get 😢

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

For that price the flaps should have been painted at least.

Kudos to you for speaking the truth. I'm happy to see a " reviewer" be honest about these products. I realize many of you make a living reviewing and pushing all these products is your business. But we aren't blind, and with social media it doesn't take long for news to spread. Good or bad. When I returned to flying I watched many videos as I had never owned a foamy. So these reviews are truly influencing those who don't know better. So 3 yrs ago I returned to flying and bought my fiirst foamy[ an Aeroscout] I loved it and it was perfect to get back into flying. But in these 3 yrs I've seen prices jump and quality drop. So I have moved away from HH and other foamy manufacturers because for the $700 for a T-28 you can get into an Extreme flight product ,[or many other manufactures that are a night and day difference in quality and engineering. Having said that, we all know they play to the buyer who wants a bind and fly. Nothing more, not even an ARF. I still enjoy all the videos but have to laugh when many state " this plane is awesome" every time they fly. Keep up the good work!

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

LOL thanks and thanks for sharing. as for what I sau I have been trying to break myself from saying ," Thats a good looking plane for sure!" because I say that about all my planes! I have even had viewers say do you ever think some planes are ugly???

I happily share your disease and we have a number of planes in common. I have to agree with you about the cost of the Carbon T28 when it’s problems still exist. Here in Australia the bnf version retails at $1249.00, hard to justify when my FMS Beaver is the same size, has floats, a better fir out and cost $799 and I think flies nearly as well. It’s almost the same when you compare the Carbon Cub ZZ, I love mine but it cost $1000.00 yet my $575.00 Husky Ultimate 1.8m whilst a little smaller I believe looks just as good and definitely flys as good. Like you I have a 150T and a Draco both costing over $1000 and enjoy them both, but when compared with my Grand Tundra at just over half their price, it performs just as well. Times are getting tougher and like you I now refuse to pay the exorbitant prices being asked. I loved your shop tour, but I don’t have quite as many planes…..yet! I hope and pray they never find a cure for our disease. , best wishes Steve…

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing and there is one and only one cure for the disease. i have it and I have bottled it up and put it at the bottom of the ocean so it will never be found!!! LOL!!!

Also, I would rather watch the people who spend their own money on these planes they're real. It's more like what I go threw.Not hating on the ones who get them for free, just saying!

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Well I think all together over the years I have been given 2 planes for free and that was after mistakes made from the makers so they reimbursed me and the plane ended up being free. Now I have gotten many planes at a discount for reviews but I made it very clear to the makers that i may not give them a favorable review if the plane is a piece of crap. Those companies are Bitgo and Hobbyzone. Both made it clear they wanted honest reviews regardless of the result. I respect that and that's why I love to review planes from Hobbyzone and Bitgo Hobby. They want the good and the bad.

@williamjones1768

Жыл бұрын

@@FatGuyFliesRC what are your settings for the K-8 6$ for flaps and expo

i don't think you can justify the upgrade, offer it without spectrum because im tearing it out anyway.. there product isn't great. old tech selling it as new great stuff. then big price increase for what?? no big upgrade. no new retracts.. iill pass

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

They should have offered suspension struts along with more reliable retracts. AND PAINTED THE FLAP hinge.

@MrBumbles2

Жыл бұрын

Yes , agreed atleast to justify price increase, put a set on my original one . 24 bucks from china on ebay,

How about us Canadians Fat Guy? We have to add 30 to 35% on top of the U.S prices. So that $700 plane is almost $1,000 for us. That is my rant for the day!

@FatGuyFliesRC

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I know that truly sucks!!!

@martymannisto1109

Жыл бұрын

Hey Dave Gedeon I don't know if this will help but fms has a Canada site which helps with the shipping cost a little your friend Marty from Canada 🇨🇦🛩🛩

@davegedeon3767

Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much Marty. I am having an issue with FMS at the moment. If they fix the problem, I will gladly deal with the Canada site. If they don’t solve the problem, that’s it with me and FMS. Thanks again. I did not know about the Canada site.