Please keep in mind, that these are just tools. I’ve worked with most of them and they are all fantastic in their own way. I’ve put Angular lower on the list because I don’t use it, doesn’t mean it’s any worse than React. Bless you all ❤️

@N3PatHYA

Жыл бұрын

Can a beginner follow to your full stack course or should he need to go through creative react and redux course first to learn the Full Stack one?

@developedbyed

Жыл бұрын

You will be able to follow it!

@N3PatHYA

Жыл бұрын

@@developedbyed thank you sir.

@JukkaPekkaKeisala

Жыл бұрын

Your Next course, it's an update to your "The Full Stack React Course" or is it brand new course? You are saying you will release it soon. Do you mean in a week, a month or???

@amankaushik5833

Жыл бұрын

You should be specific that the list is solely based on the tools you've used. Otherwise you'd be misguiding by passing it off as an unopinionated tier list.

Vue is generally better than Nuxt and better maintained in my experience. Also, "Vapor Mode" is coming to Vue, which will be an opt-in way to remove the v-dom and significantly increase performance, inspired by Solid. The best build system Vite also came out of the Vue ecosystem. There are many positives with this framework and it doesn't seem to be slowing down anytime soon.

@wojciechosinski5927

Жыл бұрын

The main problem is the SPA architecture

@evanjoyal9540

11 ай бұрын

@@wojciechosinski5927 why is that a problem?

@ankit.chaurasia

11 ай бұрын

@@evanjoyal9540big problem in terms of SEO. If u don't care then all the way SPA is better

@AngelAngelovTech

11 ай бұрын

@@ankit.chaurasiaYuo can use Vue in mutipage applications with server side rendering as well. That fix the SEO "problem". Vue is great and very flexible. I think it should be a little bit higher in the list.

@mbokil

11 ай бұрын

This is basically the reason why I keep using Vue. An important thing to consider is the ecosystem. Vue's ecosystem is large enough you can find all kinds of plugins for security, high performance virtualization, etc. Saves you time and money in business.

Framework selection usually depends on the use case. This tier list doesn't necessarily comply to your company's large scale project or to your futuristic 3D browser game. Always do your own research. Then, select the one that fits your end goal and find the most enjoyable to code amongst the others. Have a good day and happy coding!

@Meleeman011

11 ай бұрын

i'd rather fuck around and find out

Putting Vue on the same level as angular and below react is a absurd opinion to have.

@akbar-sm

Жыл бұрын

well everyone has their own personal opinion, don't they? i do think vue / nuxt is above react / next because I've tested them, but still below remix, remix rocks

@guyshilon1568

Жыл бұрын

​@@akbar-sm it's shocking to me that vue isn't as popular as react or angular when it's so much nicer and easier to understand, from syntax to state management

@user-ed6dm2xi3h

Жыл бұрын

Why?

@guyshilon1568

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ed6dm2xi3h cuz it's better than them

@byteboon

Жыл бұрын

Yep i agree man he put vue too low

I'd never heard of Solid before this but it looks fantastic! So glad to hear you plan to cover it more going forward :)

Gotta say, I love working with Ember. I've not had issues with it being slow (so long as you do things "the Ember way") and you can add on whatever modern tooling you need to it, just like you can do with any other project. It is a highly opinionated framework though, so if you don't like the way it does things, you're better off using something else rather than going off the beaten path.

@m-ok-6379

Жыл бұрын

Majority of the frontend developers chose React and now have buyers remorse which is why they are thrashing anything that is not React related.

My argument for Angular: you can put 3 mid level devs with a little of experience with the framework on a project and they will be productive within the first sprint because there are only so many ways to do angular apps. Tried the same with React and had a learning curve over basically a quarter. Anecdote? Probably. But haven't regretted having apps in Angular yet. Vue is cool, but nobody seems to use it where I'm at.

@marcel5235

Жыл бұрын

My experience: you can put 4 senior frontend devs into React project and you have a shit code base beyond repair in 4 months because they do not agree on anything, and every junior dev who is not reasonable to listen to experienced dev can be a ticking bomb. I am not joking. It's stressful as hell to develop the large app in React, and even worse is, that every newbie who can write code a little but knows very very few how things work in javascript or React itself calls themselves junior/mid react dev.

@emhome924

Жыл бұрын

​@@marcel5235These senior devs are not really "senior" then

@evanjoyal9540

11 ай бұрын

why do you think no one uses vue?

@Sanscripter

11 ай бұрын

@@evanjoyal9540 these things are fads. Didn't catch on enough people. When it comes to choosing a stack people default to what they know and what they know their teammates know. Vue can't really replace Angular apps, since people pick angular for a specific reason, looking to make a certain kind of architecture for a certain kind of app. So Vue is really only a React contender. But then again, it really isn't because its.ecosystem is small in comparison. I only ever see people who come from angular to the less opinionated frameworks really praise Vue (other than the Vue purists, naturally) but push comes to shove, 9/10 if it can be done with Vue it can be done with react and there are more jobs for reac, so guess what they are going to choose.

Gotta say that your jugement on Vue and specially NuxtJS is not pretty honest actually. You can’t just put a meta framework like Nuxt at the same level as React which we all know that Nuxt has really cool features that even Next doesn’t has. And when you do this kind of ranking, you do it in terms of what the tool has TO OFFER and not in terms of what technology do you use. It’s not because you don’t use an specific tool that makes it useless. It’s very important to take into account the pros and cons of each tool otherwise you give a false impression and not showing all the possibilities of each tool and therefore it misleads the people specially for those who want to pick one over another.

@devstate

Жыл бұрын

So true! NuxtJs has amazing features.

@tobychidi

Жыл бұрын

Nuxt is super cool

@zooldeveloper4892

Жыл бұрын

Yeah absolutely 💯

@duncandejong

Жыл бұрын

❤ nuxt

@dragon3602010

Жыл бұрын

​@@devstate like what please, I hesitate between nuxtjs and nextjs😊

Hello! I'm from the ember community, and would like to talk about ember. It's changed a lot over the years, and it's quite modern. Everything you said about it isn't true today (was def true in the old days though! (> 5 years ago)), and I'd like to talk about why Ember is good. :D I'd even be willing to join you on stream if you want!

@DavidSmith-bd2fd

9 ай бұрын

This would be interesting!

Would LOOOVE to see you do a solid js revamp of your already fantastic reactjs course 🤩

Reminds me my bootcamp instructor how says "nothing you cant build with php symfony" but teaches JS & React :)

Funny it that Svelte is in solid category and SolidJS is in S tier x)

Putting angular and vue on the same tier is a violent hate crime

Don't let his Vue personal ranking/preference deceive you, Vue is better than 90% of the tools listed here.

@icarusgk

Жыл бұрын

@avfr There are a lot of reasons why Vue is better: - No useEffect() headache - Vue had "signals" from the start, before they were all the rage - It outperforms Svelte in some cases and React in all cases, while still using a vDOM - Vue's creator is currently working on an vDOM-less alternative similar to SoildJS called Vapor Mode - Components mount once and don't execute their code again and again on re-renders - Top tier Developer Experience and the list goes on...

@Hollowendz

9 ай бұрын

Vue isn’t better than most, hence why it’s usage in the real world is low

I’m most excited for SvelteKit, I can’t put it at S because there simply isn’t a big enough ecosystem but it’s the one that excites me the most. I would like you to redo your movie app with SvelteKit 1.0 and Skeleton UI

@snailedlt

8 ай бұрын

Which parts are you missing in Sveltekit's ecosystem?

For SPA’s Vue would still be my pick. It’s Solid’s reactivity on steroids as you can make any class or object deeply reactive. And the deep reactivity is still opt in since you can just use shallowRef or write a wrapper for them to work exactly like signals. Nuxt is, eh. A lot of its magic really interferes with tooling and compile time safety. Angular with signals is looking mighty promising. While I didn’t appreciate it at the time, Angular’s module system is really great for scaling.

Solid also has a meta framework in the works similar to NextJS 👍

@nicholashendrata

Жыл бұрын

May I know what it is, cause I'm literally looking for a SSR framework for my next project and I wanted to try out Solid

@kshyr811

Жыл бұрын

@@nicholashendrata it's called Solid Start

@georgiyanev7822

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but in this video, all frameworks are stable, Solid Start is in Beta and this is probably why it's not mentioned in the video.

we can feel the joy when he talked about Next Js "Easy baby"

I would rank Sveltekit as No.1 meta-framework 😘😍🤩😀👍

@aquaductape

Жыл бұрын

No, jQuery is

@KIMTOOFLEX

Жыл бұрын

💯💯

Can anyone explain why qwik is jsx exclusively? It seems like an answer to hydration couldn't it be stronger with a compiling type framework like svelte or solid (if I got solid right)

This would probably my list too, except rate Vue one tier higher and add Eleventy too. But I've been loving Astro from the start, it sits right in the middle of Next and Eleventy imho. Preferred combo is Astro + svelte islands nowadays

hey Ed, will the react fullstack update be avaiable for free for us who purchased the previous strapi/react e-comerce project? Or this is a completely new course unrelated to that

@developedbyed

Жыл бұрын

You will get it completely free 🤙

Great video like always. Why you dont use Trpc over Rest?

I've tried React, Next, Vue and Nuxt, I prefer Nuxt and my opinion is that Nuxt stands above those 3, personally I hate React and everything based on it... but when I tried Remix, I drop all those 4, and started to like Remix more than every other framework / library...

@shrek22

Жыл бұрын

Even more than svelte?

@akbar-sm

Жыл бұрын

@@shrek22 personally, yes. but feel free to disagree since everyone has their own taste, right?

I'd heard of Astro before but I had no idea you could mix it in with other frameworks. That sounds super cool.

I really wonder if people hating on Angular actually used Angular for more than one hour. Angular, out of the box, has a lot of features React did not have for years or still doesn't have in the core library.

@JPilsonSumbo

Жыл бұрын

I use Vue more and I tried Angular and got me wondering why people talk shit about it.

@mrdobika4635

Жыл бұрын

@@JPilsonSumbo because their brain is too tiny to understand Angular

@fonziefonzarelli8049

Жыл бұрын

I remember when Angular 2+ first came out. Everyone hated on it because it made you use TypeScript by default. Now everyone use TypeScript. 😁

@mayanksharma6927

Жыл бұрын

I've been using Angular for months and I hate it more everyday

@mrdobika4635

Жыл бұрын

@@mayanksharma6927 I've been using it since release and I love it I think you need to practice more

I don't really like server side rendering, is like going back to php or jsp, do you have an example where SSR is good to use it? I think you review is really good, qwik is underestimated though

@bilalbilalbilal7

Жыл бұрын

SEO game dude.

great vid but on future tier lists you should have your ranks be a bit more verbose. for example, when you tried to rank vue you should have something like “good but wouldn’t use” 🙂 appreciate your opinions and insights nonetheless ed

You compare next to nuxt and at the same time put nuxt two places lower. Nuxt has most of the next stuff with amazing extra features. I have used both of them for long enough and i will always recommend nuxt above next. You haven’t used it clearly.

@lazyengineer007

Жыл бұрын

Nuxt useless bro

@universe_decoded797

Жыл бұрын

@@lazyengineer007 yeah useless, most of the big companies are switching to nuxt

@Saurabhkumar-bn3dl

Жыл бұрын

​@@universe_decoded797Which big companies? All I see is everyone adopting next. We moved from angular to next and both developers and clients are extremely happy with performance.

bruh nuxt js tier S for me. this 9/10 same with next js if you fluent in react, next js solutions. and if you fluent in vue js, yeah nuxt js solutions

@devstate

Жыл бұрын

can't be agree more 👍

have used angular, react and vue in my 7 years doing front end and must say the one that i most like is vue. Angular is just so weird to work with and i cannot stand working with JSX in react. Vue strikes the perfect balance for me! is just so declarative. you can read a vue component as a beginer with no experience in the framework and its pretty obvius what it does.

@javier.alvarez764

Жыл бұрын

Vue is popular in China, although no one uses it in corporate companies.

@fueledbycoffee583

Жыл бұрын

@@javier.alvarez764 true but as self employed this give me the flexibility to work with the tools i like! :D

@shail0124

8 ай бұрын

@@fueledbycoffee583are you freelancer?

@indrajeet-

6 ай бұрын

Recently everyone is prefering vue @@javier.alvarez764

just bought the The Creative React and Redux Course, and I'm loving it, but it really needs to updated..

I tried react and vue, vue is the clear winner, and about frameworks, I've tried next and nuxt. Nuxt 3 is the best thing i have aver seen. Nuxt and the vue ecosistem it's based on developer experience. So use nuxt if you want to work not play around🤣

Vue should get at least a B or A ranking.

Why was SvelteKit excluded, that makes no sense? 😭

When's the Next Js Courtse coming out Ed?

IF you have to pick. Sold Start or NextJS? (Why?)

"rectangular" thanks, my day got a lot better after hearing that

This video was awesome, not only you ranked but you were comprehensive on why you ranked them in the given way. It was almost like a mini overview on the frameworks.

Theres no stronger combo than *Astro+Alpine+Tailwind+Typescript* this is the most fun and enjoyable stack for more interactive websites or simplier web apps. Im huge alpine fan and i would describe it as a mix of vue directives with lifecycle and jquery but in hella fun, good and dx friendly way i ish there would be jobs in it xD. Its mostly used with ssr projects like with django when the server is rendering templates

@tim_t

Жыл бұрын

I'm considering switching to Astro but I feel like I've been on the SPA train for so long that MPA loading between pages can be a bit off-putting.

@sinkie420

Жыл бұрын

did you mean less interactive? i thought astro was meant for mostly static websites

@svnbit8408

Жыл бұрын

Is Astro something good for more complicated page transitions and animations?

@JEsterCW

Жыл бұрын

​@@sinkie420 I meant that what i said, lol. Static website doesn't means that it has 0 interactivity. Static is mostly about static content that doesn't changes dynamically like fullstack apps do that all... interactivity is not about data change, but about component interactivity, so dropdowns, modals any client side interaction with the website. Static website doesn't changes its content. It displays all how it was written, thats the main difference between static and dynamic webs and by adding htmx or anything else u can make it dynamic one.

@JEsterCW

Жыл бұрын

@@svnbit8408 watcha mean by "page transitions" ?

You got the colors all wrong, you have "Avoid" green and S tier red. Should be the exact opposite way around.

If you could please do a tutorial of Qwikjs. Since it’s so similar to react I think doing one of your reactjs apps but in Qwik.

Really helpful! Thanks man

Interesting you put Astro and Solid above Svelte, while SvelteKit actually has more of a following, hit 1.0, and has ISR, form actions, and doesn't use the controversial jsx. Qwik is amazing too. But, to each his own.

@developedbyed

Жыл бұрын

Sveltekit is S tier

@aquaductape

Жыл бұрын

@@developedbyed But since Sveltekit doesn't have it's own logo, Svelte takes precedence in the tier ranking, so A tier it is

@IainSimmons

Жыл бұрын

Astro 2.0 you can prerender some routes and not others (pretty much exactly the same as SvelteKit). And most of those features Solid will get in some form or another in it's meta-framework SolidStart (currently in beta). As for JSX, I wouldn't say it is controversial these days, especially with tools like TypeScript, esbuild, etc all understanding it out of the box. If anything, Svelte's syntax is more controversial because it looks like vanilla JS and HTML but it's really not.

Thank you for the video I need to show me how to draw spline using mouse event in threejs

Actually Ember is very good. The important thing is that no matter what framework you choose, it must satisfies the needs involved

You forgot Preact, a Solid react framework.

@daviddibiase4391

Жыл бұрын

lol I see what you did there :p

Super helpful, thanks!!!

Laravel, Inertia, vue, Jetstream, tailwind... My favorite stack.

@lazyengineer007

Жыл бұрын

Noob choice

@saneperson59

Жыл бұрын

@@lazyengineer007 call it noob all you want. I can build out a fully functional SPA with complete API, user control, 2fa, easy form validation, and a fantastic ORM in record time and super responsive. inertia with Ziggy gives you way more control over your routes than nuxt/next and easier to implement middleware. And sanctum kicks ass! What your stack there Mr expert?

@lazyengineer007

Жыл бұрын

@@saneperson59 The way you explained proves my remark.

@saneperson59

Жыл бұрын

@@lazyengineer007 you are funny. I fire programmers like you often. Don't need attitude or ego on my teams... And I have great teams

@Saurabhkumar-bn3dl

Жыл бұрын

​@@saneperson59I don't know what you are talking about. All of the things you mentioned can be done in minutes in next. Drizzle can overshadow any ORM in terms of performance while being extremely DX friendly. Routing is literally the strongest point of next and you have full control over it with next 13 with layouts. Laravel is still great though.

so for all the expert here ....i learned html css(bootstrap) and vanilla js ...wich framework should i learn (i was planing to learn react but now i am confuced)

@erolramacik4738

Жыл бұрын

If you want to land a job, you go with React.

@mouadtebbaai338

Жыл бұрын

@@erolramacik4738 thank you brother

@developedbyed you forgot to write about svelte in the description

The Quasar Framework is awesome aswell

@araputrevor5103

Жыл бұрын

Isn't it a cool version of vue

@jacko_3434

Жыл бұрын

@@araputrevor5103 It is based on Vue, yes

@krylongdy8426

9 ай бұрын

it's flexible with mobile web app.

is SOLID js and Quick production ready?

Whoever can feel the beauty of OOP would love angular more than other frameworks .... simple makes easier and faster but we can't big large scale application without knowledge of Design Pattern and OOP concept

@SelfHelp-kv4yg

Жыл бұрын

i m dotnet plus angular dev. despite of beauty of oops , sad thing is learning hard stack is paying less than learning easy thing (react) .. mostly stuck in big companies who are not comfortable to pay aggressive salary..and mostly work is like support..big projects are made once and r on maintenance mode for years..no fun

I think Qwik will be on S-tier soon as it hits to version 1.0. With Angular/Vue/React, those in my books are equally good and bad. I would not rate one over the other, it really comes to personal and team preference.

@svnbit8408

Жыл бұрын

What's a tier? Without knowing any js or framework yet, qwik is the way I assumed data was handled and I had no idea how bloated the overhead with hydration is, it just makes sense to me and if there's no middle ground I'm thinking im inclined to learn react right away to get comfy with jsx. Stuff like Astro with any flavor sounds good too, what you think?

@IStMl

Жыл бұрын

@@svnbit8408 huh

What about BlitzJS, is based on NextJS but much better support even for database! I real love BlitzJS!

Solid also as SolidStart which does the SSR stuff that Next does.

Angular is the example of “Not everyone can handle the best”

Thanks Ed, I think now I will learn next and svelte after this But I think I would like vue to be like at A buy as you said, it's subjective.

How is going Angular Ts?

You did ember wrong. They have SSR for a long time. Also ember-data, a really good cli, etc.

Ok there's some recency bias here but great video overall but I would have loved if you included sveltekit as well

Just one complaint. Solid was a tier higher than Svelte even though they have the same shortcoming.

@theLowestPointInMyLife

Жыл бұрын

What's that

it's awesome.. Amazing synopsis.. thank u from indonesia 👍

Could you make some tutorials with Solid

FIIIIRST !! your're so amazing ed, thank you so much for everything.

Virtual DOM is honestly criminal in constrained web devices and also promotes cow methodology (al least with react) which imo is the worst you can advocate for in an interpreter setting

Are you by any chance related to James Montemagno from Microsoft?

Astro tutorial ftw 🔥

Where is Remix??

NextJS is flying high indeed. Non stopping.

angular 1 did NOT have typescipt in mind from the beginning. It was totally different. shoulda had 1 and 2 and separate entries.

Vue is awesome, progressive because of solid reactivity and eco system. Vue with Nuxt is my first priority.

Are you planning to update or add new things on your React course ?

Were is RedwoodJS? You should give it a try ED!

@developedbyed

Жыл бұрын

How is it?

@milestehmad117

Жыл бұрын

@@developedbyed I'm really enjoying it I'm using it for my university project. I have not used it outside of that context. But the things it gives me so much power that I don't have to worry about many things I would have to write myself in other frameworks.

omg your energy is so beautiful! immediately made me smile :)

Next and Astro are nice tools.

" Don't Be A Nerd . . ." - developedbyed

Interesting rating! Thanks for the share.

what about Remix ?

@developedbyed

Жыл бұрын

A or S for me

@rod6722

Жыл бұрын

@@developedbyed How does it compare to NextJS for full-stack web apps?

tutos for S tier will be welcome !!!

Something important here for a lot of you is that, regardless of what you like, never take lists like this serious when it comes to jobs. Jobs are mostly just Angular and React. Just learn Angular and React. These cool but useless languages aren't going to help you succeed.

@saurjaghosh

Жыл бұрын

You are right ✅️

@EmilyRose0

Жыл бұрын

These are not "Languages" they are frameworks and Svelte is the most useful thing ever, its a compiler and not a bloated shit thing that does everything in the browser. There are tinkerers and self employed people out there. There are people who just love open source and people who were able to convince their project managers to use Svelte or something else from that lost or projects. Not everyone wants to work for some stupid tech giant where you have to work with the main frameworks. I know nothing about Angular, what is even written with it? Gmail? It seems like from the old days when jQuery was a thing to me. React is for sure what everyone uses but its unnecessarily complex and already many way faster and better ideas out there.

@semaphor3

Жыл бұрын

@@EmilyRose0 Gmail, Office, PayPal, Mixer, Udacity to name a few..

@saurjaghosh

Жыл бұрын

Yes. But for some unprivileged people, we need to feed our families. And svelte doesn't put food on my table, angular does. Will only even "try" to learn it if there are enough job posting for it.

vue below react? 😮

What about Remix?

Ember has improved massively, it has a good CI and it's very intuitive, and very quick to build a frontend ontop of an API

I'd rank Sveltekit as No.1

You forgot one of the most stable, fast and user friendly Javascript frameworks: Aurelia Aurelia 2 beta was released january 2023

Svelte ecosystem is small because.. you don't have to create wrapper or rewrite everything just to be adopted into some framework XD

VueJS and NuxtJS💚💚

Have you seen Nuxt3 bro , naah! its pretty good man put it higher

love the way you say HeyCHTML 🤣

Angular being C is garbage. Angular is an amazing framework. Easy to update and very easy to use.

@developedbyed

Жыл бұрын

That’s why it’s a subjective list, you might have it in S tier which is perfectly fine

@coltonaallen

Жыл бұрын

@Google Personal um....... ...... ..... What?

@over1498

Жыл бұрын

I mean it’s not like Angular needs validation from KZread, it’s probably the literal #1 from the customers that matter, businesses 😅 ain’t nobody using AStRO in production unless it’s simple content delivery. Try making a good complex dashboard in Astro and let the tears flow. If coding for funsies I agree with this tier list, though I’d have svelte in S tier it is clean af

Astro to rule them all!

Vue is somewhere between S and A, probably A .. yep, nothing from JS world deserves S, only Astro maybe. Buy yeah, you HUGELY underestimated Vue. I've done work in all those except ember, Lit and Qwik and I really wanted to like, react, than svelte, than solid, and Next and Astro and Nuxt but real SOLID here is Vue :D (and Next) PS: it's aitch not haitch! 😅😇

tell me one framework for most creative type of work and for mostly development..not like support

As someone who has build whole e-commerce web application using vanilla HTML, CSS and JavaScript will never do that again. Building this large project was a nightmare and maintaning it is another nightmare. I don't think I will ever do it and will use js frameworks in future. Before that I didn't knew the advantages of these frameworks

Bro didn't even concider meteor.js XD thats a big roast tbh XD

Can you make a video about SOLID please😊😊

Now what should we learn? Solid Js or svelte ? When did SolidJs came when people were talking about svelte? Hyping every shiny frameworks for nothing

Whats your favorite tool if you are just a solo dev?