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@NeoCinnamon

9 ай бұрын

I'm looking forward to that video as someone who hates the definition of Roguelike as it spawned Roguelite and I feel like if we just redefined Roguelike we could finally drop the Roguelite term cause it's point is pretty much useless.

@ataronchronon

9 ай бұрын

@@NeoCinnamon I just call proper roguelikes "traditional roguelikes" at this point. I'm still an old grump who believe that 95% of the games on this list are not roguelikes, but I can't be bothered with the argument anymore.

@NeoCinnamon

9 ай бұрын

@@ataronchronon well you aren't wrong, most things nowadays are rougelites, I'd say 95% is a fair estimate. That's the issue, the subgenre to the genre has way more entries than that of the non subgenre. Either we redefine what Roguelike is and call those that aren't roguelites, as you said proper or traditional rougelikes, and the rest is just roguelikes. Or we make roguelikes the subgenre or something I don't know.

@Jonasbman

4 ай бұрын

Nice list. One game that im surprised is missing from this list is: Griftlands. An excellent deckbuilder with a decent story. Love the doubledeck-aspect of the game and the challenges that it brings with the higher difficulty system. Check it out if you havent!

Crab Champions was actually made by THE SAME GUY that created Crab Rave, both the song and the music video, as a solo developer.

@nopizzawithoutpineapple

9 ай бұрын

You happen it's current state of balancing? It looks really fun, but this guy says last time he played it was pretty shotty

@PepperHeadGaming

9 ай бұрын

I remember hearing about it but I wasn’t sure.. Massive props to him, doing it all by himself. I will be checking it out again because I do think the game has great potential ;)

@ultimatedingovcg2445

8 ай бұрын

BBC

@rimwell

8 ай бұрын

@@nopizzawithoutpineappleit’s fun

@brysonpotato827

8 ай бұрын

@@nopizzawithoutpineapple I played a couple weeks ago and it was a lot more balanced and I really like it but I don't play it too often, but that's mostly because I have too many games and not because it's a bad game.

Kinda weird Don't starve is considered a roguelike just because of the permanent death that's like calling Minecraft hard mode a roguelike.

@PepperHeadGaming

9 ай бұрын

I actually agree. That’s when the Roguelike terms starts getting a bot twisted.. But it does "unfortunately" have the Roguelike tag on steam so I still felt like bringing it up. I probably should of mentioned it being a bit less of a Roguelike all things considered.

Great list, thanks for including Crab Champions- I completely agree with the placement, it's my first game and I've a LOT to improve on in pretty much every aspect before it can be in any way competitive- learning a lot with each update. I've made a large amount of balance changes for the next update that'll be out in the next month or so (I saw in another comment that you may check it out again so maybe worth holding off until that update is out before you do). My original goal was to allow players to completely break the game with the right combinations but there are a lot of ways this can happen too easily so a lot of the most common power spikes are harder to get in this update: I still am on the side of allowing the game to be broken over a super balanced game (as I think it's just more fun) but there are many ways to do that more effectively than I'm doing now. Lots of content planned for the next few years, early days still! P.S. Amazing work on your "What makes a good roguelike" video, you do a great job breaking down what makes the genre so good! I've been watching it on and off over the last few days and every section is packed with good stuff.

@PepperHeadGaming

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind message! I’ve gotten back to the game and I must praise you for adding very impactful improvements through the updates. I always respect single developers, awesome job. I’m currently working on a video series where I talk about the design process of certain Roguelikes with interviews from the developers and I think this game is a great example of constant learning and improving. If you’re interested, I might want to eventually reach out ;)

@noisestorm

8 ай бұрын

@@PepperHeadGamingAbsolutely interested, that sounds like a very cool idea. Let me get the game into good shape and then it’ll be fun to explore the journey getting there 🦀

@PepperHeadGaming

8 ай бұрын

Sounds good. I’m finishing up a couple videos in the meantime. Feel free to reach out to me on Discord at Pepper Head Gaming. Looking forward to future updates ;) 🌶️

@jarredmartinez5109

5 ай бұрын

Make this happen!!

@luckyluckyavenue

4 ай бұрын

Hey noisestorm. I just want to let you know that my wife and I love crab champions and we look forward to every update. It is a really fun game for us to play as a couple. We also play risk of rain 2 and gunfire reborn, but we prefer crab champions because it is kind of a nice balance between the two. Anyways, we love what you're doing and look forward to the game's completion.

Usually, tier list videos are low to no effort content made by "big" streamers just to have something or by random people just to share their opinion. This tier list video, however, is really high quality and can be a reference when looking for something new to play. Great work! I would even call this a comprehensive list of worth to play roguelike/roguelite games. This is more than a tier list.

@DyonisX

7 ай бұрын

darkest dungeon is in B

@ZROGST

7 ай бұрын

@@DyonisX that's where it belongs. that series is too niche for the wider audiences that the S and A games are playing to.

@lost_alexx

7 ай бұрын

Glazing is wild

@amaru6707

6 ай бұрын

​@@ZROGSTBrotaron more than Darkest Dungeon? WTF is that?!!

@julienboissonneault251

4 ай бұрын

That tier list was S tier

The amount of effort put into this and your previous video is absolutely insane, definitely earned a sub from me

What a video! And so under-rated. As an long time youtube lurker, this video is so nice to listen to, compare your experience, find recomendations and so on and so forth. Love the Darkest Dungeon review, hits hard...but I have to say, mods is THE thing that keeps DD fresh. New characters, items, rebalances and even regions. Still a violent experience...

@PepperHeadGaming

9 ай бұрын

Thanks a lot! Ah yeah I could imagine the modding community being pretty great for a game as such.. I might check that out ;)

timestamps, music and footage for every game on a THREE HOURS video is an insane ammount of effort. i wish i could sub 10 times

Thank you so much for putting gameplay during the tier list, this is such a game changer and awsome inclusion!

Please bring more videos like this! This was definitely the best gaming tier list video I've ever seen, it kept me entertained until the end and showed me and informed me about a lot of new games

Okay, I am one minute into the only video I have seen from you but I already love you since you put links to the music you use. This is amazing.

This is honestly really awesome and i appreciate making a tier list with so many games! A lot of these look really interesting and i kind of wanna try them out ngl. I never would've discovered them without this honestly! Great job.

Love this video, Thank you for taking the time to put it all together. I have been in a roguelike mood lately, and been playing a lot of them but I hadn't heard of several games in your list that I am going to check out!

So sad to see Nuclear Throne rated so low, personally I have not found a single twin stick roguelike that scratches the same itch for me. The characters, weapons, and mutations are fun and interesting and you can definitely get a lot of variety in your builds. The enemies and bosses are also really cool, especially the way that boss scaling in handled in the loops. Things like big bandit doubling, or mom getting faster, big dog leaving smaller gaps in their attacks and missiles firing bullets, etc.

@emmettrichardson5833

8 ай бұрын

Agreed, i think nuclear throne is a real hidden gem. I think if it were released today, it would get a lot more attention.

@PepperHeadGaming

7 ай бұрын

I do indeed think the game is very well designed and has much to it. If the game would have gotten more updates throughout the years as Isaac did, it could have been an easy S tier for me ;)

@vipersniperpiper6093

7 ай бұрын

@@PepperHeadGamingI mean,the people who made NT got tired of the development to the game because they wanted to get back to their routes,making tons of very small games. They really did just get sick of it as far as I remember.

@mundanemorselsmundanemorse7028

7 ай бұрын

Nuclear Throne is a game? I just refer to my toilet as that after eating Taco Bell.

@thisnameistaken

6 ай бұрын

I actually like Nuclear Throne MORE for not feeling the need to shoehorn updates in every x amount of months to try to keep their game relevant. I find a lot of games just keep adding content to the point they get bloated and unbalanced and even lose some of the cohesion or the feel of it's original incarnation, and given this was a "best DESIGNED" tier list, I'm surprised you detracted that much from it for simply not spoon-feeding content drops. Nuclear Throne still holds up today as an amazingly well balance, well designed, awesome themed, spectacular game. It definitely sits somewhere between S tier and a very high A for me. @@PepperHeadGaming

FYI, the true grandfather of roguelike deckbuilders is not Slay the Spire. Its actually Dream Quest. The guy behind it was such a design genius that he was instantly hired by blizzard afterwards to work on hearthstone. An insane guy, huge talent in design, mindblowing ideas. A literal masterpiece. Check it out. You will be surprised, even though the graphics are basic, the gameplay design and choices in it, the class variety is awe-inspiring and sublime to say the least. It will easily show you how slay the spire built upon it and got ideas from it. Of course slay the spire is the perfect evolution and game for the genre, but its nice to know the roots, when the roots are this amazing! Oh, and dream quest is BRUTAL keep it in mind. If you think you have played hardcore roguelike deckbuilders, think again! I have done everything in slay the spire including all achievements and dream quest is still up to this day probably the most brutal one I have played and one I want to go back to. The true final boss is bonkers in that game! Cheers!

@Nugpops

5 ай бұрын

I did a quick Ctrl F for Dream Quest to see if anyone posted this because I was going to say the same thing. You can't talk about deckbuilders without talking about the genius of Peter Whalen.

@Galactic123

4 ай бұрын

It's funny because Hearthstone's very first Dungeon Run which Whalen worked on was what made me look for more games similar to that, and that lead me to Slay the Spire.

I love the editing with clips of the gameplay and timestamps for these tier lists, this is how a tier list should be

Came to argue with your thumbnail on Dead Cells being C tier, stayed for really engaging commentary and an in-depth ranking of several great games, only to then see the true placement. Well played.

I find Hades to be really incredible and I played it all throughout early access from day one, but it’s lacking in the kind of long term replayability that games like Isaac, STS, and Gungeon have. Feels like once you’ve gotten through the story and leveled the weapon aspects that there’s really nothing left for you. You’re always fighting the same bosses, weapon aspects kind of lock you into a certain boon build path right from the jump, it’s always the same maps, and the limit of one weapon boon/one dash boon/etc. really hurts the crazy one more run to see what you can do feeling of other games. High A tier for me.

@TheBiomedZed

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. The beauty of Hades is the action combat, but the systems behind the scenes are pretty barebones compared to say BOI which has so many variables that can alter a run at any given time. All Hades has is the weapons/buffs you go in with and the boons/upgrades you get during the run.

@Maskeroff.

5 ай бұрын

Imo, that lack of longevity keeps Hades out of the ‘best roguelike’ conversation.

@geraltrivia9565

5 ай бұрын

@@Maskeroff.I’d say the story makes up for it. It’s def the best story out of all of these besides Inscryption

@Rain1

5 ай бұрын

Agreed.

@jeffe2267

4 ай бұрын

I feel like I'm really missing something in your comment -- you do know about Hades' heat system, right? It's also a game, like he mentioned, that many people speedrun. It has a ton of replayability after beating the final boss. Haelian is a perfect example of someone who continues to milk Hades for content.

Slay the Spire was my first deckbuilding roguelike, which ended up becoming my all-time favorite genre. I put about 200 hours into it while it was in early access and about another 70 after it left early access. Then about another 150 into the super-expansive Downfall mod that essentially provides a brand new gameplay experience on-par with the base game. It gave me the into to discover other fantastic games in the genre like Meteorfall: Krumit's Tale, Dicey Dungeons, Wildfrost, Into the Breach, and Slice & Dice, all of which are in my top 100 all-time favorite games. Despite its influence, I couldn't put Slay the Spire at the top of my list, as that honor has to go to Monster Train. While I totaled up around 400 hours into Slay the Spire including mods, Monster Train pulled me in for over 600 hours and still has my attention. It's one of the only roguelikes I can name that entices me to play it on its own without the thrill of progression. Perhaps more than any other game in its genre, it understands how important it is for a roguelike to have a dynamic early game that doesn't ask you to go through the motions until you reach the challenging part. Every part is the challenging part, and the finesse of the game's difficulty control is on the level of Hades.

@PoorEdward

9 ай бұрын

Lol, we’re kind of the inverse. Ive played sts for over 600 hours and monster train closer to 300. I feel like when runs are doomed in monster train they’re a lot more tiresome, but I think the game has so many mechanics that the combinations and sheer replayability outmatch slay, yet at the same time I find slay’s gameplay loop more compelling and alluring.

@NotDuckRBLX

8 ай бұрын

how do you put so much time into slay the spire? i tried it for a while but it just made me mad when i had a good run and then i get bad luck

@siri7005

8 ай бұрын

I agree with you. I appreciate both Slay the Spire and Vampire Survivors for what they've done and they were both undoubtedly S tier when they were released but since then the genres they established have added many new games to their number that just do more interesting things with the idea. Kind of like Lord of the Rings.

@futrecacao

8 ай бұрын

​@@siri7005except that apart from Baldur's Gate, nothing has surpassed Lord of the Rings yet

@siri7005

8 ай бұрын

@@futrecacao There's a ton of better fantasy stories out now than lord of the rings. lotr's biggest flaw is that is has absolutely horrendous pacing. The movies largely solve this but I was talking about the trilogy of books. Baldur's Gate and LotR are not even the same category.

The interesting thing about Darkest Dungeon is that it's actually easier to list the things you cannot control than it is to list the things you can control. The key to success is just game knowledge and once you have it it is quite easy to complete the game deathless consistently. The issue is that a lot of the information on various mechanics are buried in change logs or in the game files themselves which means that a lot of people don't get to see how everything works which makes the game feel more random. The nice thing is that the community as a whole has done a lot of work moving this information onto various wikis and hubs for the game. There are also many comprehensive community guides that cumulatively cover the entire game and all DLC, which is part of the reason that the game is still alive years later.

Nice video! Also add "Dungreed Soundtrack - 16. Towngreed" to the music used list, drove me mad till I remembered where it was from.

Thanks for the long video and the roguelike recommendations! I generally agree with a lot of the tierlist - I would put some games a few tiers higher or lower (especialy crypt of the necrodancer, vault of the void and rogue legacy 2), but it's all pretty sensible. For vault of the void it might be kind of hard to get into, but I think it does a lot to minimize the feeling of losing a run because you drew a bad hand or because you were not given the right stuff, and it's in my top 3 favorites of the genrea. The threat system is basically that enemies do damage to you 1 turn later than normal, giving you another hand to draw and plan. You are also able to discard cards in hand for energy, which makes planning a turn pretty fun while also meaning that if you had a bad hand you can just stock up energy for next turn. It also feels pretty unique that at any time before a fight you can change your deck to fit the fight, as it is always 20 cards but also always customizable. It is also the kind of game that can get really nuts with the damage and synergies if you know what you are doing. As for some games that weren't mentioned - I was surprised you haven't played nova drift yet, since even though it's still in early access it has a ton of content. It has some of the best build creation out of any roguelike imo (20 minutes til dawn took some inspiration from it). The void rains upon her heart is also one of the best roguelike shmup games currently out there (still 100% positive on steam right now!). Monolith is amazing in the same genrea too. Also, into the breach is a really well designed game and got a major update recently from the makers of FTL. Ziggurat 2 is also one of the best FPS roguelikes, it improved a lot on the first game. Slice and dice is a really amazing roguelike strategy game. On a personal note, Synthetik 1 is my favorite action roguelike of all time, it just feels amazing when you get into it. Lastly, OTXO is basically roguelike hotline miami.

This is such an excellent video. I learned about MANY new games that are going under the radar. Great work, thanks for putting so much time and energy into the community like this! :-)

This feels like more of an objective list which felt nice, even with some games I like being lower your analysis I felt was very "fair" and I appreciate when people do lists like this to help broaden my knowledge of available roguelike games to try out in the future :)

Great list and explanations! a few I would recommend to check out off the list are Synthetik Legion Rising, We Who Are About to Die, Mortal Glory, Otxo, Trials of Fire, and Doomsday Hunters!

@PepperHeadGaming

9 ай бұрын

Awesome, thanks for the recommendations, I always love adding more to my wishlist ;)

Really surprised monolith (now rebranded as star of providence) isn’t on here. It’s got an overwhelmingly positive rating and is in my opinion one of the best out there. It’s also getting a giant update at some point under video game dunkey’s publishing company.

@PepperHeadGaming

9 ай бұрын

I’ve heard that one before… Added to the wishlist ;)

@rungeon83

8 ай бұрын

Fantastic game, I still call it monolith! Though I think @PepperHeadGaming will agree, the upgrades don't change your play style, at all, it's hetic and you're constantly on the move with the dash bullet hell style, but the upgrades you're kinda chosing the one that fires the fastest with the most damage. REGARDLESS as a bullet hell game, one of my fave.

@elnogal9298

8 ай бұрын

Yeah Monolith is amazing!

Thank you so much for your thoroughness! Shame Crying Suns and Dicey Dungeons are not in the video though.

If you think you are wasting your time in this life, remember me, who watched all this, just to see actual rank of Tales of Majeyal.

@kachow5830

5 ай бұрын

You just like me fr

@klausklausensen5042

4 ай бұрын

Watched the whole video and now I feel sorry for you 😂

@timm8998

4 ай бұрын

This dude managed to make a video called "Ranking The Best DESIGNED Roguelikes", then includes exactly 1 roguelike game in the total list and then does not rank it. Hahahaha! I actually enjoy the real roguelike games but it is a smaller market and this new wave of roguelites has messed with the definition of roguelike games as well. Because actual roguelike games are not as popular, most people don't seem to care about the abuse of the name. It does annoy me.

@makytondr8607

4 ай бұрын

@@timm8998Yeah, I get your frustration. I’ve become used to it by now but the new “roguelikes” feel nothing like the original. Ragnarok on DOS was my favorite. :)

@krzysztofkujawski8136

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, my 1057hr in ToME are screaming...

Really good video!!! Thank you! It's nice to see someone excited about the games they're talking about

Only 3k subs lmao, insane. You’re gonna have crazy growth i just know it. Quality videos man.

I needed this video today. Awesome list!

The chapters you put on the video are really usefull, I apreciate a lot the work you put in it

Just saw what makes a great roguelike last night, and look a new upload!

I seriously love this tier list, great vid! I’m subscribed

This was an absolutely epic video and I added six games to my wishlist. Thumbs up and subbed! I think I will love this channel.

Yes, I'm watching this whole video. I really appreciate your positivity and willingness to acknowledge personal biases and respect what devs were going for. I'm not a huge gamer but I do like rogue likes, and I enjoyed this vid so much that I'm basically going to be using it as my guide for buying new games! First stop: Peglin, and Revita

excitedd to dig through this video and get some new game recommendations!

-Tiny Rogues is receiving a HUGE update on december, that will TRIPLE the content that is already in the game. The dev said yesterday that the amount of items in the game will go from 150 to 500; he's also adding alternative levels for each existing level, and a new set of secret levels that you can go after you beat the final boss, all new levels with their new respective bosses and enemies. If that was not enough, he said this update would be 0.2v or so, so if you trust in this dev's commitment (he's certainly hard-working), this would only be about 20-25% of the full game, which is an insane perspective. -Revita's dev recently announced on Twitter the update is no longer happening, apparently because of lack of support from its publisher or something related with hard-to-meet deadlines and so. -Another simple game with a ton of content (and it's about 70% completed in early access) is The Void Rains Upon Her Heart, a bullet hell shmup roguelite with an insane amount of achivements. Def one of my faves -Monolith is another recomendation, that I've seen commented already. Def one of the bests if you, again, like bullet hell/shumps. It has an update in the works for quite some time now, and maybe even a future DLC planned.

It's the perfect way to do a tier list video, love it ! Across is a piece of art,with friends it was one of the game i playes the most ! If you like tower defense rogue lite, and if you haven't, try natti, it's really fun !

Was surprised you didn't mention how wild and original the guns in Gunfire Reborn are, although i'm sure you appreciate it because of how much you like that game. That's one of its' strongest points for me because the gun you choose to use shapes the playstyle so signficantly.

Hive Jump 2: Survivors has entered the fray! Adds Jetpack for more unique stage traversal across bespoke levels within a sci-fi aesthetic + Starship Trooper vibes!

Good review! That's a lot of dedication, keep up the hard work brother

great vid. skul the hero slayer is my favorite rogue-lite and i completely agree with what you said. ive played this game for such a long time and for so many hours and im still having fun with it. i think that the best thing about skul is that its starts as a rogue-lite but as you sink more time into the game and start to understand the ins and outs of it, it slowly becomes more of a sandbox rogue-lite. instead of trying to win you try to test new potential builds and get the strongest run possible. instead of just wanting to win you also want to win quickly and with style. and i believe that that is what makes the game so fun for such a long time

One of my top 3 roguelikes is Rift Wizard. Really enjoyed hearing your thoughts, definitely have some new roguelikes I want to try out now!

Awesome video. I do have a few suggestions in the Rogue Like space. Fights in Tight Spaces: a really unique deck-building game, where you use cards in hand to hand combat. There are multiple stages and you can choose in which stage you start, but when you "skip" a stage you won't get any better cards, so it is a trade-off. Also something I really like is the different starting decks, each have a unique approach to a fight. Tower Tactics: Liberation: A mix-match of different genres, this game combines deck-building roguelites with tower defense. It sound kinda weird but it is surprisingly fun. It has a completely different approach to tower-defense then roguetower.

Inscryption has way more than just the campaign. The side mode 'Kaycees' mod' is way more balanced than the main game and its pretty much the entire reason i have 100+ hours in the game. if you haven't checked out Kaycees' mod please do. its honestly brilliant.

Haven't seen it recommended yet so id love to throw some love at Griftlands! Developed by Klei, its an excellent deck building roguelike with a strong story focus, unique art style, and a fun conversation card battle system that is fairly unique. Lots of fun!

@mibbzx1493

6 ай бұрын

Agreed i played all 3 characters and i can honestly say griftlands is a much more fleshed out and better than slay the spire version

Thanks for making this - watched the entire 3 hours. I'm a big roguelike/lite fan and learned about some new ones here to try out. Hades is my all-time favorite. Here are some that you should check out that I didn't see on your list - Darkest Dungeon 2, Ravenswatch, Wildfrost and Robo Quest.

Very happy to hear you give dungreed a good word, my favourite roguelite and deserves more attention

Watched/listened to the whole thing as I played Revita on your recommendation! Added a lot to my wishlist

Crab champions in C tier? you gotta try it again, its had a few major updates and I think the issues you addressed have been mostly fixed, its a high B now imo

@PepperHeadGaming

9 ай бұрын

That’s great to hear. Definitely going to give it an other try!

This is ultimate guide to what to play in this genre, thanx for time and effort you put in this!

Not having “The last Spell” and “Against the storm” on this tier list is criminal!! I have just liked you played rogues for an eternity and those two titles are my absolute favourite in their respective regard. If you haven’t played, you should! :) ❤

@johanw2267

5 ай бұрын

Have you seen the video upload date?

Great vid dude. Just watched this whole thing and bought 5 games on winter sale lol. Very excited!

Only 2 mins in and i can tell a lot of effort was put into this video, definitely gave a like. Gonna check out your other stuff for sure 🤝

A 3 hours tier list video? Sign me up, I know what I'll be watching for the next days, haha

@Mantosasto

9 ай бұрын

Finally finished the video. Very solid list. The only one I disagree with is Peglin. I really want to like that game, but every time I play it it just makes me angry. Too much rng for my taste. You have to check Into the Breach if you haven't. That's a nice puzzle roguelike from the same dudes that made FTL if I remember correctly.

I love rougelike and rougelite games, I love tier list videos, and I love long form youtube videos (seriously my favorite youtube video of all time is 3 and a half hours long, mgs4 was a mistake) so I have a feeling I am going to absolutely love this video.

This tier list is of the highest quality. Please, please make these every 3-6 months with updates on existing games as well as new ones. Subbed.

So so great video, one of a few that are worth watchjing entirely, congratulations for your work, your form of expresion and experience can take you far away in youtube/streaming keep the good work !!

Your last video was really good, excited to watch this

1:10:35 fun fact, Hades has more than 20,000 separate voice lines spanning over 300,000 words, with Zagreus having a total of around 8,500 voice lines

Super bien video amigo . Muchas gracias por hacer esto ... Por cierto moonligther , el vídeo era otro no era el juego jeje ... Un saludo y espero ver este tipo de tiers más seguido . Buen día

Love the list! Im a little suprised that you had Monster Train on here, but not their new game being Inkbound, as that would also have fit into this video. Completely agree with the Peglin rating myself, was actually playing it the whole time while listening to your video

I really loved your video. I think we have a pretty similar taste and I love that because I just discovered a few games I didn't know (despite the fact that I realized I've played almost every game from this list, and even some that aren't here, mainly deckbuilding roguelikes). I enjoy a lot the feeling of power a fast gameplay gives me, and that's why I love Dead Cells, Hades, Enter the Gungeon or the dopamine I get parrying in Curse of the Dead Gods. But if there is anything I enjoy even more are the deckbuilding roguelikes, genre where I consider an expert myself. This is the only point where I think I don't agree with you (which is great, as we can't have the exact same tastes and subjective point of view), and I felt the urge to comment here to state it: Vault of the Void is an AWESOME game in the genre, and the most polished game I've seen in a while. It has had a lot of updates that added tons of content but, what is more important, quality of life changes and lot of fixes to many aspects in the game. Also, I find the art very charming and appealing, and the gameplay is fluid and has its own mechanics that makes it interesting. I can not recommend it enough, and I rate it a S tier in my personal list. It is way more complex than Slay the Spire and is a pc exclusive (for now, there are mobile and switch ports on the way), so StS will always remain superior, but VotV has awesome deckbuilding options, dynamic and strategic gameplay, interesting pathing, cool bosses and a really polished feeling, so I consider it a must in the genre. I understand not every game is for everybody, and that is okay, but if someone is reading this and actually likes the deckbuilding roguelike subgenre, please try it, it's fantastic. Thanks again for the video, was super instructive and fun! Also, I love your mainly roguelike dedicated channel, and speech. Keep doing great stuff! :)

Vault of the Void is one of the best deckbuilder roguelikes with unique mechanics etc.! Your negative points mostly had nothing to do with the game itself but with the artstyle/graphics. Of course not every game is everyones cup of tea BUT then name your list accordingly aka as YOUR PERSONAL best!

Another Rougelike that i think is great is Astrea: six-sided oracles. It is a tactical dicebuilder rougelike that got released last week. You have to balance risk in ways different than deckbuilders because of the inherent risk of dice. I can highly recommend.

@DGart609

9 ай бұрын

Best new one in recent times

Great vid, enjoyed watching. Returnal is one of my favorite roguelikes. It’s more of a campaign style game, but like Hades you get more story for completing a run. There aren’t many 3rd person bullet hell shooters with AAA level visuals in the roguelike field.

@mibbzx1493

6 ай бұрын

Amazing visual

Lolz you kept referencing your previous video "What Makes A Good Roguelike/Roguelite?" but it's cool you did because I saw that video first then this one so that helped in understanding where you were coming from in your rankings. I haven't played many rough-lite games and recently started astral ascent which I really enjoyed. Where you placed that game, I can agree with and that made the other games ranked more trustworthy and I agree with the list. I intend to try out the other games also on A-tier, so great job and I hope you continue the great content!

there are a lot of roguelike tierlist, but i loved this one, and i feel it's the closest to my own tastes

For the few games in this list that I have played personally: 1:01 - 20 Minutes Till Down is indeed a middle-of-the-road game. Very enjoyable to play for a bit, but doesn't have much to set it apart. It's just your average solid roguelike. 2:13 - I'm surprised Across The Obelisk managed to reach A tier, especially since this is judged from a singleplayer perspective. I'm definitely not complaining that it's so high, I really love the game myself, but while playing it alone, I always wished I had more people to play it with, because managing 4 decks of cards on my own felt pretty overwhelming 7:51 - Backpack Hero has a pretty neat concept, but I noticed myself getting bored with the game pretty quickly and I didn't even know there were different characters in the game until I watched this video. So yeah, C-tier does reflect my own experience with the game 36:03 - I'm surprised Darkest Dungeon is on this list, but the second game isn't. The second game is structured like a roguelike, meanwhile the first game is more of a campaign, the closest thing it has to the roguelike genre is the random levels and enemies. But yeah, the RNG during fights really holds this game back, and the cycle of playing for a few hours, leaving for a year and then coming back is very recognizable. I'd probably have put it in A-tier, but I do think B tier is perfectly reasonable. 58:55 - FTL is really good, I agree that mods shouldn't be taken into account when ranking the game, but it's really hard not to take the multiverse mod into account as it feels really vanilla, and manages to expand on it a bunch. I'm tempted to put the base game in S as well, but it probably does belong in A tier, but if you can take the multiverse mod into account, it's an easy S-tier. 1:09:30 - Hades is S-tier no question. Voice acting, Visuals, Gameplay, Story and Characters, this game manages to excel in all of them. This is a "Jack of all traits, Master of ALL". 1:18:08 - I don't think I can really say much more about Inscryption than you've already said, because I really shouldn't spoil this game. Kaycee's Mod is worth mentioning tho, which, despite having "mod" in the name, is made by the devs, and allows you to enjoy the roguelike aspect of the game, without progressing the story. Inscryption as a whole does deserve S-tier, but not because it's a good roguelike, just because it's a good game. 1:20:28 - Loop hero gains extra points in my eyes for having very unique mechanics and executing them really well. I also love the music of the game. For me, it's definitely A-tier, and it's the first game where I do disagree with the placement on this list (but I do understand why it's placed in B-tier). 1:36:41 - I'm surprised Noita didn't make it to S-tier, it just has so much going for it. Secrets, depth, replay value, interesting concept. Noita has it all. 1:42:40 - Whenever I see One Step From Eden, I get a warm, fuzzy feeling inside. Thinking about the game just always makes me happy, yet, there is no way I'd ever put it higher than the B-tier. It's weird how connected I feel to the game despite having played it way less than most other roguelikes, and me generally not being a fan of fast-paced games. The game has very good music, which is probably why Violet is one of my favorite bosses in all of gaming. Her moves follow the beat of the music, and her boss theme sounds amazing. 1:48:12 - Wow, I'm really surprised to see Peglin in S-tier. To be fair, I've played a lot of Peglin myself as well and I have to admit that the concept just works. But still, S-tier?! Saying it's a random S-tier is very accurate. I really can't justify putting it higher than A tier for myself, because, unlike the other S-tiers, I really can't say this one is a masterpiece. But I can respect it, the game is quite addicting. 2:03:52 - My thoughts on Rogue Tower are exactly the same. I love tower defense, I love roguelike, this game combines the 2 and has so much potential, but the tower upgrades don't feel very special. Also, small correction: you said it's a roguelike rather than a roguelite, but it has a bunch of permantent upgrades you can spend your money on in-between runs, so it definitely is a roguelite and I doubt it's beatable on your first run. 2:21:15 - Shotgun King has an interesting concept, and it was fun for 1 run, but I got bored of the game extremely quickly and this is the only roguelike I've ever ended up refunding. D-tier for me. If you want a chess-based roguelike, I'd recommend The Ouroboros King. It more closely follows the rules of chess and has more variety than shotgun king does. 2:29:01 - Ah yes, the classic, Slay The Spire. While I wouldn't put it above Hades personally, it's just a really solid, well-balanced, deckbuilding roguelike and the game that most new deckbuilding roguelikes base themselves on. 2:58:02 - Vampire Survivors has no right being this good, just unlocking everything in the game gives you hours of content, and that's not even taking into account all the secrets. It has popularized the genre that's currently known as "bullet heaven" where instead of the enemies sending so many bullets at you that it's a hell to dodge, instead you're the one who is sending a bunch of bullets everywhere to keep yourself safe from the enemy. This honestly deserves an S-tier in my eyes. 3:07:12 - I'm surprised to see Wildermyth on the list, as it can barely be considered a roguelike. I personally really like the game and would put it in A-tier, but not because it's a good roguelike, rather because it's just a good game. It'd be S-tier if it had more than just 3 very basic classes. To be fair, these classes can be pushed in different directions that play quite differently from each other, but whenever you get a new character, they always feel same-ey and you need to invest in them before they get their own unique playstyle.

I really appreciate your descriptions and explanations for your opinions. I've played the large majority of these games, and even when I disagreed, I definitely understood what caused you to have the opinion that you have. There were a few games that I haven't played that you talked highly of, so I'm excited to add those to my wishlist and keep an eye out for an upcoming sale! Also, the shuffling animation on Storybook Brawl is the most egregious animation. So slow.

Great content ! Thanks a lot !

very thorough and thought out. Even though I had most of these games, the ones I didnt know look like some solid gems. I Appreciate the vid👍

Awesome video dude, I'm gonna check out Peglin, Dungreed and Gunfire Reborn which I were not aware of before.

Merci d'avoir pris le temps de faire cette vidéo

Was hoping to see brutal orchestra, it somewhat a really polished strategy roguelike. Great tier list so far ! I'll keep returning to this video to hear bit by bit your reviews !

great vid! some other games to consider on next tier list: alina of the arena, ember knights, beneath oresa, legend of Keepers, curse of the dead gods, darkest dungeon II, downfall - a slay the spire fan expansion, halls of torment, yet another zombie survivors, dome keeper

@ZamWeazle

7 ай бұрын

Downfall I certainly wouldn't count. It's just an unofficial expansion as part of STS anyway.

You have some opinions that I definitely agree with. The vast majority of them, to be honest. I've kind of fallen of roguelite games specifically, I get tired of them starting you out so damn weak and trickle feeding you upgrades so that it'll take you a super long time to beat. But, I have played most of these and I appreciate you including SO MANY games.

I really loved your video bro, thank you. Cheers from Brazil.

Great video. Enjoyed every second of it :)

Great video! Cheers from Brazil!

Shotgun King was made in a game jam, and was so well received that the developers continued to work on it to release it as a finished and more polished game, so its normal that its not to long.

@PepperHeadGaming

23 күн бұрын

Those are the kinds of stories I love to hear. Great job on the developers!

😂😂😂 the thumbnail bated me. Good job

damn! a three hour video, thats genuinely impressive

We feel and share the passion for roguelikes glad you ll be back with an other video soon

You're making the exact same type of videos that i've been wanting to make for years, just never got around to it. If i eventually make a video i'll credit you for sure, big ups for making good content mate. We seem to have very similar taste in games, my steam library of roguelites is more or less the same as yours. In terms of which deckbuilding game people should start with, i'd say either StS or Monster Train. Monster train has more of those wacky roguelite moments and more build possibilities, while StS is a masterfully balanced card game first and foremost, and a wacky roguelite secondarily imo. I would also like to reccomend a roguelite to you, Syntheik (the first one) is prob the roguelite with the best feeling gameplay imo, tons of mechanical depth and really well designed systems that work together to make it consistently challenging.

@PepperHeadGaming

9 ай бұрын

Ah thanks for the kind message! I was in the same boat for a while but finally got to doing it. I’ll be looking forward to seeing your list then ;) I can see Monster Train as a good example to start off with because of how enjoyable it is from the start, but I can’t deny how overwhelming it can feel if you’re not familiar with the genre. But I’d be curious to hear if anybody’s tried it without past Deckbuilding experience, because it really is one of the best IMO. Will definitely check out that game! Thanks for the recommendation, always excited to find more awesome Roguelites ;)

Great list man you have great taste and i found at least five new rough like game in this video that i didn't know about and i loved them, there's some i would change for example i put cult of lamb and children of morta in A and don't starve in S but different people have different taste and i respect your taste thank for great video i watched all of it without skipping single secon❤

I'd put Neon Abyss at a mid to lower A tier. The weapons are very different and the perks were very fun. I also loved the art style that made it feel close to Enter The Gungeon.

Your don't starve review is like me in high school trying to do an essay on a book i've never read

Not sure how Noita isn't S class lol

@klembokable

2 ай бұрын

Imagine

@parisulki729

2 ай бұрын

The game, the mechanics, the depth of of gameplay, simulation. Everything is awesome. But the game itself isn't really fun, and overly sadistic. You are either clueless, and happen to die randomly, or lnow everything about it, to the point where it becomes almost trivial. It is interesting to explore the world and it's mysteries, main gameplay loop isn't very fun.

@parisulki729

2 ай бұрын

I take my words back, once you get into advanced stuff, there is this mix of thrill and discovery like nowhere else 😮

@NBH-xh3nq

Ай бұрын

It’s because a lot of people know difficult games like the dark souls series, but get put off by the difficulty and accept it’s probably a good game, “but it’s too hard for me”. These games are constantly viewed highly because the 2000 hour people enjoy it so much and the others want to share that sentiment. The problem is accessibility which is very important in viewing games as consumer products and minor entertainment, but less important when viewing games as works of art.

@UltimaDoombotMK1

Ай бұрын

​That's how all games start. You start with no fucking clue what you're doing, improve in both skill and knowledge over time, then you can stomp the game easily. Even games that are supposed to be absurdly hard, like Fear And Hunger, run with that. The learning curve might have different slopes for different games, but they all follow the same formula: git gud. @@parisulki729

I love roguelikes, like A LOT, they are easily more than 50% of my steam library, and i came here not to see the popular ones (Isaac, STS, risk of rain, etc) But i love watching other roguelikes that i love that didn't get that much of attention being rated fairly high, like Moolighter, One step from eden and specially Wizard of legend, i love those games so much Great video

i have needed this video my whole life

You didnt mention Dark Mirror mode in Skul, which really enhances the build options you can go for at the start of a run. Glad to see it in A tier, I see a lot of tier makers putting it lower because they didn't give it a real try

Great video! Sad to hear Spelunky isn't your thing. It's definitely my #1 roguelike spot along with Isaac. Perhaps you also played something from this list? If not, consider it as a recommendations. Not all of them are actually good, but pretty unique for my taste: AK-xolotl. Airheart Below Colt Canyon Crown Trick Dead End Job Dicey Dungeons Dreamscaper Gods will fall Frost Into the pit Nongunz Sea Salt Tainted Grail: Conquest The flame in the flood Vambrace: Cold Soul West of Dead

@PepperHeadGaming

9 ай бұрын

Oh thank you so very much for the recommendations. I am adding many games to my wishlist hoping to play most recommended Roguelikes before the end of the year. I’ll check those out ;)

@Wraiven22

8 ай бұрын

Spelunky didn’t have the weak to overpowered fantasy that keeps me playing in this genre, I wish I could get into it or the sequel but it never feels rewarding to me 😢

@knightphantonbr834

6 ай бұрын

try NOITA

It's interesting how you remember each game so well, I've played a lot of rogue likes but I forget what's really in them

I'd love to hear your take on Against the Storm, a Roguelike Strategy Game. It's pretty amazing!

Nice video buddy thanks for your input

Great video and list! Most games that I have played from it I would rank more or less the same - in fact, the highest tiered out of these games that I've played (StS, Hades, Dead Cells, Inscryption) I have in my top 10 of all time AND in the same order... I have two extra recommendations for fans of roguelike deckbuilders that are not on this list: Cobalt Core and Griftlands. Cobalt Core takes a LOT from StS but with very different playstyles and the addition of 2D navigation. This is an easy high A-tier for me, probably just above Roguebook. GL is a heavily story-based deckbuilder where you can resolve conflict with either your combat or your negotiation deck. The one detail that makes this not A but B-tier for me: a run takes a bit too long, often 3+ hours, which stifles the replayability.

Thanks for the big effort

Great list! An underrated early rougelike that I never see mentioned is renowned explorers. The game is a bit dated however it has an interesting combat system that allows you to fight by talking or killing. It’s probably a B tier but it doesn’t get much love.