Ranking Every Outlaws of Thunder Junction Commander
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Tomer ranks all 52 new legends from Outlaws of Thunder Junction!
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Thing to note with Loot: He looks for card types among OTHER permanents - meaning he doesn't count himself. You still need another creature to get that draw.
I think Taii is a little undervalued here - while yes it can help draw cards, it also can turn any non-combat damage ability effectively into an x burn spell. For example you could trigger Impact Tremors with a creature, then use Taii to enhance the damage done to each each opponent making it a decent finisher on top of card advantage.
@tomerabramovici32
2 ай бұрын
Didn't consider that, thanks for pointing out!
@jameelkurabi
2 ай бұрын
Yeah he admittedly says at the end that he might be sleeping on Taii. I already have a build for her and she is super fun and modular. Having access to white in a burn deck is great. Being able to activate her at instant speed to make the damage exact is the kicker. It guarantees at least 1 card but more often it'll be 2 or more. Also with a few guttersnipe creatures in play the damage can get insane. Last but not least with either Urabrask or Birgi out with virtue of courage in play that's potentially game.
@postalsteve
Ай бұрын
@@jameelkurabi Sounds siiiiiick - I'm excited to brew with her!
@erfunk
Ай бұрын
Taii also doesn't say "opponent" anywhere, so there's room to build around your own creatures wanting to take damage. Say... Pyrohemia and Brash Taunter or Stuffy Doll. Each activation is drawing you a card for your own indestructible thing, _plus_ incidentals from your opponents. And each activation can be killing _someone_ faster than you. Can build this out with 1/1 tokens, ways to grant indestructible like Selfless Spirit, more ways to do 1 damage, etc. Maybe even go deep and run Solar Blaze, the first card I thought of with Taii before realizing it was a nonbo, at least for opp's creatures. But it kinda reads "sac your 1/1s, draw that many cards, maybe kill most of the board", so it's not too sad if you don't draw for theirs if your plan revolves around drawing for yours, and Taii lives through it.
@postalsteve
Ай бұрын
@@erfunk Spicy! I didn't even think about affecting your own creatures. That almost makes it feel like a boros aristocrat deck.
i can't believe how much time he spent trying to make annie flash sound good.
@mattd3978
Ай бұрын
What's up Demo! Fancy seeing you around here
I loved all your takes this time. Very fun video!
I think the best “haste” spell for Geralf is an extra turn spell. Storm off, make a giant army, then end your storm turn with a time warp so you attack immediately on your extra turn. I guess then the question is if that’s better than just, like, putting an Aetherflux Reservoir in your deck.
I just say I do love long review videos. Great content thanks Tomer.
1:21:35 being able to untap Stella with instants/sorceries that also do something else is exactly why she's absolutely cracked. With Cerulean Wisps, you can literally draw your entire deck by continuously untapping Stella with the copy and activating her again on Wisps before the original copy resolves. Works with a lot of other cards that untap her too. Traitorous Greed and Involuntary Employment give you infinite mana, several of the untap effects give a stat boost, and Twisted Fealty/Bond of Passion literally just win the game with the loop.
Breeches was underrated here as a tactical red style commander. Give him deathtouch/lifelink, or slap a curiosity on him and you're already cooking. If you build on losing the flip and fill your deck with bolts and the like, you're always shooting damage
Gisa is definitely a mono black control commander. Between cards like Relic of Progenitus, Agatha's Soul Cauldron, Codex Shredder, etc, it's extremely easy to commit a crime on each player's turn, allowing Gisa to create 24 power worth of Menace Zombies every turn cycle. Toss in typical black card advantage and a LOT of targeted removal to commit crimes and you've got a very threatening deck.
@douglassmith8069
Ай бұрын
Honestly it'd be insane if the zombies came in untapped
@ctromsky5729
Ай бұрын
Altar of Dementia is amazing too, free to turn one 2/2 into 2 more on each persons turn.
@douglassmith8069
Ай бұрын
@ctromsky5729 that's why it's limited to once per turn or else it'd be an infinite combo in the command zone
@codyarrington7693
Ай бұрын
She's just so strong!!!
@frogv2745
Ай бұрын
I'm looking at gisa for a outlaw deck (laughing jasper flint) and she kinda doesn't look too bad with a lot of rakdos stuff, gives you access to goblin bombardment so you can sac a creature each opponents turn to get 2 3/3s and the new vial smasher seeing 2 outlaws entering the battlefield I think people are just focusing on her anthem too much and going "oh tribal" but i dont actually think she needs a single other zombie/skeleton to work
Tatyova and Aesi might be stronger as a land fall commander, but Bonnie Pall definately looks like "more fun." Less annoyingly broken, and you get to win with a big blue cow. Sounds like a good time.
1:10:20 Sands of Time is very powerful with Obeka. Untapping all your permanents including your lands, goes infinite with Aggravated Assault. It might not be very appearant if you just read the card text on Sands of Time, but if you read its oracle text you will see that it triggers on each of your upkeeps, not just at the start of your turn. I already run Sands of Time as a hate piece against Teferi's Protection, Stasis and Winter Orb. Its good that with Obeka it also becomes and engine and combo card.
@jeffe2267
2 ай бұрын
Sands of Time is very much a "if you know, you know" kind of card. Most people need it explained to them before they understand how powerful it is.
@Belena711
Ай бұрын
Your pod is mean. . . 😂
Kaervek can be absolutely busted I feel. If you're able to commit a crime on your opponents turn you can cast your other spells ignoring timing restrictions. When I played last, I cut down a creature on an opponents turn and then cast thought distortion from my graveyard on the control player. Very fun!
Bristly Bill has been a house in my Obuun deck. Comes down early to start spreading counters, then basically doubles our commanders trigger with an ability that you can curve into to start delivering massive blows.
Thats gonna be a great video
isnt vraska the silencer just a better costed shelob since they do the same thing and will play the same way but you get treasure instead of food?
@chriselliott5539
2 ай бұрын
Yes, the trade off is having to pay to steal the creatures (which get refunded) and it's less restrictive on not needing spiders. Vraska generally is a better ability, though you tend to build towards stealing stuff and thus your deck maybe lacking win cons. Shelob is guided towards spider tribal and you are building a synergistic board that can be used with a overrun effect to end the game reliably.
@danielsniff6405
2 ай бұрын
You do have to pay mana for the ability, but other than that she seems better.
@matthiasgorner2250
Ай бұрын
Not to forget that Vraska returns the Creatures to battlefield, while Shelob creates a copy, which does exclude Vraska from "stealing" Commandercreatures (as long as your opponents don't gift you their Commanders)
@zxsage1
Ай бұрын
Additional benefit to Shelob, she threatens commander damage wins pretty well.
@Droid6689
21 күн бұрын
Yes, but not for the reasons you said exactly. They won't play the same. Shelob is a spider tribal commander. You need spiders and combat/damage to make her ability work. This means it is pretty difficult to steal things, especially the things you specifically want. Vraska just requires things to die while you have mana open, making it much more likely you'll steal what you want. Costing much less is a great tradeoff for not being a combat commander. Treasures v food is somewhat moot when each treasure costs a mana. It does give some incidental value if you have extra mana and something you don't want dies.
geralf + gravecrawler combo goes crazy
I'll add, too, that Vial Smasher is actually probably solid in any of the Outlaw decks that care about committing a crime, since her ability is essentially "Whenever an Outlaw enters the battlefield, commit a crime." She's a pretty reliable source of crimes in a deck like that, and I bet she'd be a solid roleplayer in such a deck.
Hey Tomer, would do u think about Flame of Anor in your Changeling Tribal Deck?
I just want to add that the Simic giant says when you attack, meaning it can trigger on the first turn it enters which seems nice.
Don't know if I missed it but the "Good" tier list is just them being good or good in the command zone and Great in the 99 tier?
Why is everyone sleeping on Gisa, The Hellraiser? There are so many artifacts that double abilities and if you playing a 4 player commander you can spam a 1 drop target spell each of your opponents turns. Then you can have six 3/3s by your turn. Run that with all of her varients and a bunch of zombies and you'll be set. You can even add liliana to the mix to make opponents discard a card. Then you have black market to help with mana.
@OpticF3ARNGT
2 ай бұрын
Huge agree gisa is a powerhouse even with the once per turn limit. I'm building it for sure
@noden1739
2 ай бұрын
It's not the best gisa tho I agree it's solid but I'd rather play ghoulcaller or the resurrector
@FearOgre
Ай бұрын
Once per turn and they are tapped, nothing being slept on.
@joedoe7572
Ай бұрын
@@FearOgreit can be 24 power per round for 4 mana
@FearOgre
Ай бұрын
@@joedoe7572 It is not, you need to commit a cry every one of those turns which is very very likely to cost you mana at least.
New goal: Five pairs of boots equipped to Felix Five Boots
Breeches might actually be good in Rashmi and Ragavan decks! Casting a spell triggers the commander, and then the second spell would be the free one off of someone's deck. There should be artifact tokens lying around in that deck
A Kaervek deck with tons of creatures that target on EtB makes for a sweet chain. Thinking of you, Necron Deathmark.
Tomer i can't believe you made a dolly parton pun as casually as you just did. 🤣
If tomer made a Bruse Tarl deck, I bet it would be vampires.
Kambal will love decks that load up on White Elephant removal. Things like Generous Gift, Stroke of Midnight, Get Lost, etc. as they force your opponent to get a token and still gives you the token, sorta kinda removing the downside of said spell.
I think with Akul, there might be a critical mass of decent black/red dragons at this point to make the handful of legends to lead that tribe/color combo where it's actually a strong option now, too. Slots right into a lot of Rivaz decks or could even replace him.
Command beacon and mrs flash,. is infinite casts so like a naya storm deck?
Pugilist is pronounced like "pew-jih-list" btw
Haircut looking great!
Im mostly excited for the spree cards, those se mostly really powerful
I've been playing with Lilah with Izzet Deck in MTGA and the amount of card advantage with 0 mana cost spells is amazing, especially when the game gives you a bunch of really good "whenever you cast an instant or sorcery" creatures to start with on the starter Izzet deck.
Important to note, Ertha Jo doesn't have an activated ability so she cannot have Zirda as companion
I think everyone (including me) initially looked at Taii Wakeen's second ability and thought "well that could help draw a couple cards". The more I work w/ this commander tho, that second ability is a wincon in itself. Especially when used with rituals
Kambal decks are surprisingly fun and strong from pre release playing. Especially going some sacrifice from. Also Tomer, I believe you previously in an ep mentioned you love Tombestone Stairwell. It's wording is: "destroy all tokens created with Tombstone Stairwell. They can't be regenerated." The copies Kambal creates are not destroyed at the end... Wedding Ring is also value city on Kambal, though it does mess with the drain half.
Geralf combos with phyrexian altar and gravecrawler. Finally breaking gravecrawler.
I'm building a Magda draw/go deck with a lot of burn spells just cantrips that makes creatures not block or just makes a permanent red plus cards like goldspan dragon and FOTMB, and professional face-breaker
Good job
Where can I find your $25 builds?
I'm building the new Ghired and Annie Flash is fantastic there since she reanimates your commander and she's a great tapper for copying tokens.
Tombstone Stairwell is INSANE with the new Kambal as it just leads to temporary blockers and potential loads of treasures each turn!
Been running Fortune as the commander in a blink deck, and it's actually insane. When you're threatening removal against anything that could block Fortune and kill it, people are wayyyyy more likely to just let the 2 damage through. Having it come down early and be a repeatable blink for anything you want (you can overpay the saddle cost) has been a total house in every game I've run it in
Akul for my Ganax/haunted one deck is Hype
Bristly Bill is a little more valuable to a +1/+1 counters deck than mentioned. 1st, as was mentioned, he gets the initial counter-flow going early just as a result of your playing the game. Second, however, he replicates a two-drop Enchantment (Roaring Earth) that was already great for this, and as every +1/+1 counters player knows about their Hardened Scales effects, easy redundancy that shows its face in a game is nearly always gravy. A lesser consideration, but still notable particularly in Landfall utilizing Avenger of Zendikar is Bill himself being a Plant. That counter-doubling ability is crazy good even at 2G 3C. It’s priced cheaper than the cheapest Instant/Sorcery capable of doing the job, and commensurate with Enchantments and Equipment + Equip-cost that still have a hoop to jump through. I think Bristly Bill is a 99 card, too, don’t get me wrong, but he’s a *really good* addition to the 99 at the price of a Bear. That counter-doubler is so hot with any of the other doublers or an active Brawler. Bill and Railway Brawler are really all I want from OTJ, unless I can sneak away w/ one of the new Swords on the really cheap during pre-release. (The new Hydra’s nice, but not a singles-shopping target while the hype’s so hot, IMO.)
@Droid6689
21 күн бұрын
Bill is great at the helm of a 0/0 deck. Just a wincon in the command zone
Isn't Felix five boots just worse double strike for your creatures?
@Shimatzu95
Ай бұрын
Kind of, but at the same time it stacks with doublestrike
We definitely have seen commanders like Obeka before. Remember The Ninth Doctor?
Fblthp is actually really good as a mono blue storm commander. I could only imagine what other ways to build him. But he isn't so deadly until you have a 20 minute turn casting all your plotted spells at the same time lol
Stealing stuff from your opponent's decks has one particular advantage over drawing your stuff - they're likely prepared in some way to deal with *your* stuff, but far less likely (particularly in the moment) to deal with their own stuff (Deal = remove, interact, mitigate, play around, etc). That extends further to synergies you manage to find between their cards and yours. And you get potentially way more options, card types/effects, and lines of play available to you without overloading your own deck.
I throught a lots of times to do to a gisa deck, but the mana curve where too high for my tast, and zombie lords, some zombies in general cost a lot of money. This gisa is interesting for me cause you just have to put lord giving +1 or key world while you can put tons of cheap interaction...that's mostly why i like her, she can make a zombie deck work without paying too much
Pulled ertha jo in a pack today. I'm gonna throw it in my brion stoutarm deck and double his throwing creature stuff lol
I absolutely love doc aurlock and I already built a brawl deck for him on Arena, but I want to let everyone know now: HE DOES NOT COMBO WITH FBLTHP LOST ON THE RANGE. He says “plotting cards from your hand” costs less, and fblthp is only stuff of the top of your library. Had to learn this one the hard way.
The new Rakdos is actually kind of nutty. There are a lot of cards that just let you exile your whole deck/storm out. Golgari Thug + Ashnod's alone literally lets you exile your whole library. Poxwalkers is an allstar. I was brewing it and I don't think I'll end up making it b/c it feels like it is very easily high power casual. Very cool card nonetheless.
@tomerabramovici32
2 ай бұрын
All this while Rakdos can also easily make itself indestructible, so it's a real pain to deal with!
Not that my opinion matters, but I really approve of how you assess cards' potential. It's exactly my flavor of jank and function. 👍
Magda in a mono red burn deck would be creating a treasure with every pinger hitting an opponent and could bring out a ton of dragons really fast
Here is why I would say Hazezon is better than Yuma. Hazezon is only RGW. You get payoffs right away when you start saccing your deserts. You get TWO tokens which triggers ETBs like the new Warleader's Call. Yuma is a payoff to Hazezon in the same way Titania is but has the added card draw. Yuma does not return deserts back to play, and I think this is the main reason Hazezon is better. Yuma requires quite a bit of setup to get working and to cost cheaper. All that setup triggers Hazezon. I could go on as there are a lot of nuances with the desert land base that makes Yuma a challenge. I am not saying Yuma is weak, but it will be slower than Hazezon and less resilient to removal. Yuma does have the possibility to snowball late game though. However, the commanders are not interchangeable. I have heard that from some people. Both decks will want some similar things like ways to sac lands (Zuran Orb is an all-star in both decks). Since Hazezon can get the deserts back you will want as many additional landdrops as you can get. Which also set up for landfall cards. Bounce lands are going to be more powerful in Hazezon. Field of the Dead is very good in Hazezon, especially since two of the deserts created zombies also. When I do search for lands I usually get the good desert that creates zombies, field of the dead, and then bounce lands in that order. Fetch lands are going to be more powerful in Yuma though they will not fetch the deserts. Yuma does not need the additional land drop cards as much. That deck will want all of the Crucible/Hazezon/Ramunap cards as possible. I could see Creeping Renaissance and Pair O Dice Lost being in Yuma.
Rakdos is my fav. So much value and hard to kill.
0:02 52!!! In one set. Thanks Brandon.
I've been looking for a good commander for an off color aristocrats deck and Annie looks like a perfect fit. Being able to sac all my Crawling Chorus-like creatures and then flicker my commander to Reanimate them looks like a lot of fun.
@C00kiesAplenty
Ай бұрын
She only reanimates if you cast her though.
@izaiahsundquist6877
Ай бұрын
@@C00kiesAplenty you're right. Well then, I'll have to find another commander.
My dream is to have my hair and beard on pount like tomer 😂
Definitely like this rating system. Much more useful than S-F tiers
Tomer is definitely S tier on the list of MTG content creators 😁
Eris is kinda wacky Im honestly surprised more people aren’t hyped for it. You can also get it out potentially as early as T2 with specific hands. Especially with a T1 that utilizes Faithless Looting to get CMC 1 / any two of 2-10 in the graveyard. Which is 6 mana off your commander turn 1. If you discarded super late game spells or some not as great spells in that moment then go into t2 with something like Magnum Opus and a lotus petal type effect you can drop Eris on turn 2 and from there you could start swinging
Interesting that Command Zone and Tomer have very different opinions on Vraska.
I liked your ranking system. I would say that you might want to exclude your favorites from having their own tier, since it’s kind of confusing. It also prevents you from ranking their power as well.
I've been trying to make a Naya populate deck work since C19 with the original Ghired, but it felt like he didn't do enough. One extra token per turn, he has to attack to do it, and no haste. The new Ghired is everything I have been hoping for the last five years. He costs 2 less mana, he has haste, and his ability is easily repeatable. Don't get me wrong, I'm not interested in an easy infinite combo like Tomer described. I'm looking to resolve a big dumb idiot like Combustible Gearhulk or Terastodon, copy it with Orthion or Bramble Sovereign (or Feldon it out of my graveyard) and then make as many copies of it as I can. Also, Ertha Jo is amazing in the 99 because Ghired's ability targets creatures! Super excited for this set
I have been trying to get double strike tribal to work it looks like it is going from mardu to 5c over time Hopefully obeka fits! 1:10:35
Ghired with any mass haste is infinite as well since creatures that enter will immediately be able to tap to create another
I'm really surprised Tomer was low on Gisa when it's perfect in his Toshiro deck
For wylie he’s good with convoke im playing him with my 6th doctor and peri … so you have a min two of them
Bruse Tarl's ideal build is 10 pieces of protection, 15 oxen, the rest lands. Just flip a 2/2 double striker at the start of every turn
It surprises me that not many people seem to think about suspend when talking about Obeka. The courts are really powerful in her library, but cheating out a Deep Sea Kraken or a Living End seems like what the designers had in mind with the name.
Imagine of doc aurlock clost blue with a black/red hybrid cost... card would be INSANE
The main reason I want Hazezon as my commander over Yuma is cause I’m building a naya aristocrats deck and I want those sweet 1/1s more plus the desert crucible is nice for all the land sac shenanigans
1:05:40 perhaps all the red pingers could go in?
Magda is a finisher for 1 player (at least) in Prosper! Build up 30 treasure, drop Magda, create 10 4/3’s with haste and flying and swing out! Of course, you could probably win the game at that point, so…..
Thoughtseize with Tinybones, maybe?
Don't forget removal and countering is a crime, so Gisa in the 99 of a zombie deck is still really good, a zombie lord that creates some zombies is pretty good. Although at this point if you are playing a high power zombie deck, your deck is already tuned enough that I don't know if there are any cards to replace in it, while for more casual players she might be too strong for their tables.
Huh? Vraska is so broken 😮😂
A point about Lilah - there aren't nearly as many izzet-coloured instants and sorceries as one might think, especially when you cut out counterspells (which don't work when plotted). She'll get better over time as her card pool expands but idk if it's there right now
Hazezon is way faster than Yuma from my playtesting experience. Yuma is interesting because you can set it up nicely in a slower game and pop off big in the lategame. If you are running all the fetchlands it gets obviously way faster. But I don’t want to fetch like every turn. So then the problem is Yuma makes tokens for deserts going to the GY, but you already had to get quite a few ones in there to make him castable. Feels like losing a lot of value on the way. Then you might want to get all lands back with splendid reclamation stuff, so you can go big on mana and landfall. But Yuma won’t trigger off of that and you lose the costreduction for future casts. If you leave your lands in the GY too long your GY might eventually get removed and you are pretty much out of casting your commander ever again. Upside of Yuma is combo-potential if you‘re into that. Hazezon just works way smoother. You cast him on three and if you play your desert turn 4 and play the new ramp two deserts spell you got 7 creatures and 6 lands already. And that’s not even unlikely and doesn’t even consider any turn 1-2 plays or busted stuff like scapeshift. Turn 5 desert + Jetmir might be GG and that’s just 2 replaceable Spells plus lands and commander. So i‘ll finally build Hazezon on a 100$ budget now. Thanks a lot for the content. Its great to have this one video to get to know all the new commanders I might be facing in the near future :)
Woah, tomer honest is petty strong
The Siege enchantments will do good with Obeka
I think bruse goes in a deck with 20 extra combat cards and the rest lands
Although I hate the lore that was essentially convoluted and hand-waived to put all these random legends in this set (and un-compleating Vraska and Jace for some reason???) I do like the flavour of Vraska killing a creature, petrifying it into a statue to then use as treasure XD
Tomer with the Bangers! That said disagree on Vraska, she’s super super powerful and horrible to play against so she’s a very strong commander! I get why you put her in Meh tho, I felt very meh playing against it! The command zone did a good vid highlighting some of the ways you can abuse her, it’s pretty gross :(
gonti is play, you can play your opponents lands too
Henzie ''Toolbox'' Torre: It's OK Rutstein we'll make an honest human of you yet. LOL I just built an all creature Henzie deck on a lark; seeing Honest Rutstein looks like they designed this card to perfectly fit in that deck: - Brings back a blitzed creature: check - Makes my creatures cost 1 less: check :P
I think you’re wrong about Kellan and Ghired. They’re definitely both s-tier
Ertha Joe should be nice in the 99 of Agrus Kos, eternal soldier.
It's funny that Tomer is chiding the Hazazon players for not switching to the new improved commander but he doesn't notice that Kaervek is just Toshiro but better 😅
52 my goodness. This is out of hand
The best way to deal with the Eriette player is when they cast their aura targeting your permanent, you remove Eriette, and now you stole their aura instead of them stealing your permanent.
Don't get me wrong, Yuma is decent as a commander, but he doesn't come close to Hazezon lol - Hazezon makes TWO tokens per desert etb, which pops off with any Impact Tremor/aristocrat effects - Hazezon tokens are 3 colors vs Yumas green ones, which is relevant for cards like Knight of New Alara - Hazezon can realistically come down turn 3 vs Yuma who would require 5 deserts in yard to do so - Hazezon lets you play deserts from yard innately, vs Yuma who requires crucible effect to do so The only realistic thing it offers over Hazezon is a very slow source of card draw, which I don't really think helps his case.
@imapaincake2305
2 ай бұрын
One thing I learned from self discounting Commander (like Karador) Is that they are super reliable to Stick to the field (people won't often point removal at them) and in they case they die you can still pay them for cheap.
@tomerabramovici32
2 ай бұрын
You're missing that Yuma works much stronger with self-mill effects. Cards like Mesmeric Orb and Altar of Dementia allow Yuma to pop off in ways Hazezon can only dream of, you want all of those plus the normal Land staples like Life from the Loam to mill through your deck while making an enormous army, and this makes all the mass land recursion spells that much more powerful too. A turn 3 Hazezon really isn't impressive anyway.
@seanscott4543
2 ай бұрын
@tomerabramovici32 Yes Yuma pops off with self mill effects, but that's no different than Hazezon popping off with anything that wants to go wide: craterhoof/moonshaker, cathars crusade, finale of devastation etc. all win you the game just as much as Yuma with dredge. They're both 'desert' decks but they are different strategies. Ultimately though, the Hazezon version is more powerful because it's a lot faster and not as easy to shut down as Yuma. What options beside removal do you have if I play dauthi voidwalker? Plus Hazezon has desertwalk so wins the mirror 😎
1:02:24 " the next League of legends character" XD
HOWDY! 🤠🤠
i built an eriette deck as soon as she was revealed. i only play with friends and i have a couple other decks to play with if they get too salty, i just cant not love the idea of stealing all their shit lmao
Obeka + revel in riches
I’m glazing over Eris
49:30 "pyoo-jill-ist"