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@rubyruby5710

5 ай бұрын

just started getting into fpv i was wondering how you know which goggles and controllers are compatible with my drone

@DarrenAllatt

5 ай бұрын

@@rubyruby5710 what drone do you have ?

@rubyruby5710

5 ай бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt iFlight Nazgul5 Evoque F5 F5X V2 Squadshed X Analog 6S 5 Inch

@DarrenAllatt

5 ай бұрын

@@rubyruby5710 any Analog goggles will be compatible. Did you get the PNP, ExpressLRS, Crossfire or FRSKY version

@rubyruby5710

5 ай бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt this is the version i got iFlight ELRS 2.4GHz RX i know what goggles I am getting i was wondering if the radio master boxer would work with this system

Penetration of analog vs digital system is actually more similar than people think. Analog is just more noticeable (to most people) at first because it degrades image quality, whereas digital systems lose latency first. The defining factor on which to choose depends on how sensitive to latency you are. Latency jumping around drives me bonkers so analog / hdzero is my preference. I can't fly through dropped frames but I can still fly through a damn near lost image.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Each to their own. I can’t do snow.

@cathodd2442

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt exactly yeah.

@metefpv

Жыл бұрын

The exact same for me. I can fly through gaps with only snowy silhouettes visible. But with DJI I crash into them with the variable latency. The image looks nice though, but it doesn't help when it's too late.

@cathodd2442

Жыл бұрын

@@metefpv right yeah. The variable latency screws with me bad as well.

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

because ANALOG is still KING and will not be removed anytime soon and Sniveling Darren can't handle that fact

The cost effectiveness of analog is a bigger deal to a lot of people than I think you realize. With any of the 4 digital options, using a digital vtx often more than doubles the cost to build the quad compared to analog

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree, and feel the cost was representative fairly as pure dollars and not value for money.

@sergiodominguez9141

11 ай бұрын

well if you add a rapid fire a good camera a good vtx its similar to digital

@error.418

10 ай бұрын

Also just feels like for freestyle latency is way more important... not to mention costs of repair... which again puts analog on top.

@Greg__K

10 ай бұрын

@@sergiodominguez9141a good set of analog goggles with rapid fire is probably as expensive, or slightly more than digital. However, a good analog camera and vtx is less than half the price of a digital setup. $30 per each, for top of the line camera and vtx. BnF’s are like 1/3 to 1/2 the price of digital too. There’s no lag or stuttering and it’s cheaper. If you’re running smaller quads like toothpicks and whoops, you’re going to be less afraid of crashing. You can fly them closer to the edge without crashing IMO. Also, analog is still a LOT lighter even when compared to the 1s Avatar and HDzero whoop board. It’s noticeable when flying. I started the summer flying Walksnail 2” 2s quads, and now I’m spending a lot more time flying analog 1s quads. I have more fun with the analog stuff. If you fly for the sensation you get from it, analog is still a really good choice.

@PropsOutProductions

10 ай бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt Basically my takeaway from this is "I absolutely cannot live with any form of noise whatsoever", putting analog below HDZero for racing is literally just you being a little bitch about image quality. Not hard to tell which people in this hobby were the snobby fuckin' rich kids who never had to see life in the lower class.

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A~ thanx for the time n effot as usual i appreceate the long hrs n work to everyone who make videos ,this one has been an eye opener for sure, thanx again Darren!

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael! Glad you didn’t give me a Fuka!

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

But his end claim is not true as ANALOG is still KING

might need to do this video again.😊😊 mostly because of the hdzero freestyle v2 units and how many racers use them. I freestyle with dji and the variable latency when going farther behind objects can be a bit annoying to me personally.

Very intersting indeed. One aspect that you didn't cover, was the fact the Dji have restrictions depending on where you live, related to where you can fly, and how high. For many, this must be a deal breaker. Great video. Thanks.

Feels about right. Good job 👍🏽

awesome video! thanks for doing this!

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

You are welcome

Great video! Sugoi! I have been searching for some nice goggles to use with my Mavic 3 and RC pro, which one would you recommend to use just as HDMI input of the RC Pro? I’m not into FPV, probably will be using them only by HDMI! Greetings from Japan!

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Arigato! From my quick research the DJI RC Pro outputs 1080p and 2k from the HDMI port, only the HDZero Goggles can receive 1080p through HDMI In. The Skyzone Sky04X may work with the 1080p kms out - it seems like you may be better off with VR Goggles than can handle the output

It looks like, from this, and many other reviews, and user testimony, HDZero Goggles, w/ Walksnail Vrx Module & Analog Module, would be the best way to get yourself into all three circles of the Vin Diagram, without needing to have more than one goggle.

Thanks mate!

I'm still not sold on hd, thing that kills me other than the price of all these hd systems, is nobody really elaborates on how big they are on the vtx side. Make sure you have the room for the fpv hd brick. The added weight, and how proprietary these system are is really nuts imo! I don't know if you stated the mw power of the analog vtx on your comparison, i am curious , think it would be important to know. Ive had great luck over the years with analog, and nothing is more versatile . You can fit it in anything, and choose the appropriate power output you need. Not going to be stuck spending a ton of money, just to turn around to buy it all again later on the next version 2, 3, 4...so on. And 5.8ghz is not the only flying frequency out there. The latency is really important to me, and if pennitration is an issue, get a higher power vtx and better antennas. I think its all a never ending money sucking cycle. I dont have to worry if it going to be around tomorrow, no company to say stop production. Analog still is the most versatile. I really dont need to count the blades of grass when i fly, or watch a movie through my googles bc I don't have time to when I fly lol Im still not sold on it all. I'll keep my money for now

@Inertia888

10 ай бұрын

I bought the HDZero Goggles, because of their open source outlook, and they really seem to be listening to the customers. DJI was great, and I still use it. DJI has great penetration, and the feed is very nice. But 1): I'd rather lower latency over better video feed & 2): I really hate DJI's proprietary mindset. I like how I can use HDZero to fly analog, HDZero, or even snap a Walksnail Vrx to them, if that is what I need. All of that _is_ money, for sure. But all that aside, if a person was considering an HD system, and I was to recommend one, it would be HDZero. You get to have analog, and the new Racev3-Vtx is about the size of a 20×20 flight controller. I think it only goes up to 200mw, so maybe wait a year, and see how they grow with product innovation, and as a company, before spending that money. Not trying to sell anything, just giving my personal experience, so others can get an idea of how an early adopter is feeling about the system, as it is now. I am currently building a 10-inch, heavy payload quad, for next season, and honestly, I am not yet decided if I will use analog for the pilot feed, or not. Will wait and see what the market has to offer, in ~March 2024.

Great info Thx

Its a good comparison but people shouldn't really focus on the final score that much because it depends on the use cases. For example I mostly race and fly cinewhoops so for me a combination of analog + original DJI is perfect :) Might get a few o3 units for live broadcasting in the future

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

I agree, although you could probably do WS with the VRX and analog to just have 1 set of goggles.

@DewFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt But then I wouldn't be able to use O3 :) OG DJI still has a lot to offer

Awesome content

Good comparison video! Add light weight tiny whoops and it may change the results again. I currently fly analog and HD Zero. I haven't flown my DJI quads in more than 2 years. I also don't like the booting/setup time of some HD systems that feel as if you have a PC on your forehead.

@DarrenAllatt

9 ай бұрын

Good call! Yeah agree with that. But that’s what it is unfortunately for a few more years. Goggles 2 are pretty light weight

Interesting work 👍 A+

@DarrenAllatt

9 ай бұрын

Many thanks

Awesome video!

@DarrenAllatt

11 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏

Great comparison. The Sum of the parts matter...

I need gokd penetration depth and range. Im not worried about image quality as j wilk use GoPro. In this scenario which googles do you recommend?

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

I’d actually recommend long antenna on your quad, a high power VTX and patch antennas. Your setup matters, not your goggles.

I had a question wondering if you.could help me I wanted to grab the cinelog 20 with the elrs reciever and boxer radio I can still use the integra goggles since it has the o3 unit built in

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Yes you can use ELRS with the DJI O3 version of the Cinelog 20. ELRS + Boxer is a Radio Link which is completely seperate to DJI O3 which is a video system (even though it can do control if you have the DJI FPV Remote)

Thanks for creating and sharing this video. Learned a lot. You get an S from me.

interesting take on it, but I'd guess it's not quite that simple since the "grade" really depends on the pilot and what they are doing with FPV. Well done on the video though, nice editing and presentation.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. And yes, what you have said is what I hope for people to get out the video is that there really isn’t one best system and that each system has strengths & weaknesses and that it’s really just up to what the pilot wants to prioritise in their choice of system.

@MichaelRogersJesusrules

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt would be nice to have it all in 1 goggle. i see now wwhy alot of people end up with more than 1 pair!

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

@@MichaelRogersJesusrules I agree, HD-Zero Goggles are the closed to an All In One, as you can have an analog module and walksnail VRX.

A good analysis that will serve a new buyer well. My rankings would be different, tho'. I rate start up cost bigly yugely, meaning analog is gonna win hands down. But that's me, and my choices. Darren's taking everyone into account, and he's done y'all a solid. You won't go wrong taking his advice.

@DarrenAllatt

10 ай бұрын

Thank you 🙏

S! Been flying analog for 6 years and plan on picking up new goggles very soon. This is a great video!

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 😄

Last year I was watching KZread about FPV for couple month before I decided to commit to Walksnail as my first and the only system. That was even before they went to S1 and Receiver Module. It is still so enjoyable to realize day after day that it was a good move. Btw, since this video they also have released an upgraded vTX.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Yes I saw. Being in Australia. We are last to get everything

Omg so I started with the hardest system back in 2015 oh no wander i crashed so much 😂 Great vid thanks

With both walksnail and hdzero having "retrofit" options for a lot of analog googles, both could be viable options for those moving from the "entry-level" analog to digital with familiarity "in the hood". Though, it all boils down to how much a pilot wants to spend and how much they want to build a fleet in that ecosystem

Thanks for comparing. Since you cant have them all, unless money is not an issue, you might want one goggle that can manage two systems. The walksnail and DJI O3 goggles are completely locked in to their system and therefor incompatible. Most compatible today with awesome technology are the HDzero goggles. They are HDzero, walksnail and analog module compatible. JB recommends them in this regard. Now to people who have been in the game a little longer and dont need to decide which system to get into today: The existing DJI V2 goggles are still one of the best pick's. You dont really need to upgrade. It can do the DJI system original vista/ air unit and new O3. Also the DJI V2 goggles have an AV in, which allows you to run an analog receiver. So for people with the DJI v2 goggles there is probably no need to buy new goggles and system for over 1000 bucks. Also you should take in consideration in your ranking how these systems break up. Analog and HDzero you can see it slowly breaking up and it come back immediatly when the signal is there. Walksnail and DJI you notice the breakup pretty late and then all of a sudden it blacks out. The rebinding takes a few seconds. This can make all the difference if you crash or not. For me I'm sticking to the DJI V2 goggles with analog adapter. Maybe the HDzero goggle are tempting too. But having so many quads already, I'm going to save the money

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Well said. I think the V2’s are the better of the two goggles for DJI because you get the lowest latency on O3.

Hello, very useful comparison and the Walksnail sistem is looking very attractive for me for the usage im going to do, but there's something in Walksnail that doesn't convince me completely, and I think those inconvenience may be overcome with a Walksnail avatar V2's... Do you think a Walksnail goggles V2 is coming out soon?

@DarrenAllatt

11 ай бұрын

What’s the inconvenience?

@cyborgfpv7361

11 ай бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt ok based on videos and reviews since I am in a place in the world where I have to know very well what I am buying, I see 3 drawbacks with Walksnail, 1. the quality of the video is not at the point that I would say wow I want that, 2. the way the video is cut off due to low signal, a friend has the Walksnail VRX and when the signal is low it loses the video in a terrifying way, 3. the incompatibility with video input because everyone here uses analog and it is very important to me use analog to see the flight of others... even so, Walksnail is the one that best suits what I do and the price is what I can, I think that this can be corrected with a new version, that's why I ask if there will be a version 2 in development? thank you 👍

@DarrenAllatt

11 ай бұрын

​@@cyborgfpv7361 what would you hope a new version to have? 1. When you say "video quality" is not wow - was that based upon your friend's WS system, who is using a VRX and Analog Goggles? Which Analog Google does he have? I bet there not 1080p OLED screens, even if they're Skyzone 04'x the resolution is 1280x960, which is 60% of the quality of 1080p 2. Except for HDZ, both DJI and WS cut off the same, they go blocky and then boom, you are done. That's not going to change. 3. They won't be adding Analog input into any next version of the goggles. that ship has sailed.

@cyborgfpv7361

11 ай бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt OH I hope the Google's make a difference with the VRX and a external screen for planes where friend uses it. Ok I guess I'm going for it thanks Darren that's what I wanted to know and you explained it.

Great work and well done compression, I really like your approach . I’m using the Walksnail VRX with Skyzone 04x and I enjoy the image quality but the penetration can be better … but I must say that I’m pretty happy with the price performance of the system.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

I think there is a TrueRC-X Air patch upgrade for the VRX available, that will improve the penetration

@TheCivildecay

Жыл бұрын

I'm using skyzone03O goggles with analogue and HDzero and I'm happy with it

I own multiple analogue, HDZero and Walksnail setups for fixed wing. Can't speak for DJI since I only use Mavic and Phantom3 but Walksnail is a whole different world.

@antonioruan2812

Жыл бұрын

Would you say you prefer walksnail over hdzero then, I trying to go for freestyle/cinematic

@wattage2007

Жыл бұрын

@@antonioruan2812 I fly fixed wing long range stuff so it’s mainly about video quality for me. HDZero was a failure in that regard.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

I have just got WS and have HDZ so be doing a video soon comparing all 3 for Freestyoe

I think the v2 dji goggles should be a F for ease to use if u use any of the dji air units (except 03) because you have to change the firmware on your goggles and the units which a lot of people dont know

I don't agree with range part when dji doesn't go as far. Imagine quality isn't good when the screen goes black. HDzero went 30km & walksnail 31km (walksnail actually still looked good) But penetration I think DJI beats them all. It's retransmission just helps so much. Walksnail retransmission doesn't seem as good. Think I'm with u with everything else

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

What letter would you have given DJI original ?

@divingfalconfpv4602

Жыл бұрын

@DarrenAllatt oh the original maybe knock 1 letter cause it has the shortest range. New dji I'd knock down like 2 letter. Goes further but still 3rd distance of hdzero and walksnail

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

ANALOG is still KING and most are still using it even with HD systems that says volumes in and of itself

I'm really itching to get the Walksnail goggles but I'm pretty sure in about a year they will release a new goggle with an HDMI input.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean by HD Input?

@blackwater7183

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt HDMI. Mb. 😅

very concise data, although am sure ppl might slightly disagree on more opinionated points of view, you get a A for your work

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Lou!

For me, compatibility also means whether a system can be used with glasses from different manufacturers...

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

excellent point, do you have anything to add from your experience?

@Sugalime3D_FPV

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt Yes, in that respect only analogue is compatible. All others are not. Where as hdzero is also open source. So theoretically it is also hdzero. But there are probably only a few manufacturers who release hdzero googles and VTXs so far...

@Sugalime3D_FPV

Жыл бұрын

That means analog and hdzero is top. And DJI a big fail in compatibility...

Personally I love them all, we live in a good time being an FPV pilot.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely!!

@spayrex_

9 ай бұрын

not. thought i start in 2023 and the same shit tech from 2021 just costs the double amount now! thats horrible

Thanks for this very interesting video. I'm using HDZERO since it was the first to offer HD on tiny whoops and these are the drones I fly the most. Since I don't have other HD systems at hand I always wondered how HDZERO compares to other regarding power consumption / flight times. I suppose that the bigger the build, the lower is the percentage of energy spent in the HD processing but I never read about real world tests. When you see how much heat is dissipated by the VTX and HD camera, this may also orientates the selection for lighter builds.

@DarrenAllatt

11 ай бұрын

I dont think people really consider whether or not an extra 10 to 20 seconds of flight time between one digital system and another because of power consumption differences. Rather the weight of the system has a bigger impact on flight times than power draw. Further, most pilots are looking at image quality and flight feel

@bernardfouche5241

11 ай бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt Thanks for you answer ! On a 1S Whoop, 20 seconds of flight time is significant ;-) On a larger drone, sure 10 or 20 seconds isn't important. But is it really only 10 or 20 seconds ? We have no idea of the efficiency of these systems. The only info we have is the power at the antenna. I have the feeling that in these digital systems, most of the power isn't drawn by the TX itself because of the amount of heat being dissipated. I expect analog and then HDZERO to be the lowest power hogs since analog has nearly no processing at all, and both analog and HDZERO communicate in a single direction, there is no RX, no retransmission of missing data. In the end if the difference is 10% of the flight time it may matter.

@DarrenAllatt

11 ай бұрын

@@bernardfouche5241 on a 1S whoop the different between HDZ and WS would probably be 5-10 seconds max.

Megabits. Not megabytes. Good content.

Nice comparison video, however I feel it wasn’t fair for analog system. The only thing analog lacks compared to digital systems is image quality, SD image quality of analog is still good enough for everything unless you specifically want to experience and fly HD. Cost, latency, compatibility, heat management, weight etc… it excels. Thanks ✌🏼

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

How about range & penetration?

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

ANALOG is still KING and used by the majority of the FPV community and sniveler Darren can not handle that fact...bah ha ha ha

@error.418

10 ай бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt That's the problem with this ranking system... it's mixing too many paradigms. Range and penetration matter so little for outdoor freestyle where latency and cost of repair are paramount, making analog king. You need to see what's going on as rapidly as possible and you're going to crash taking risks and growing as a pilot. You really need to fully separate rankings for outdoor vs indoor, freestyle vs cinema.

I have the DJI V2 goggles, and im trying to fly analog. There is no option to view video in goggles. Any idea whats happening?

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

You probably need to be in DJI FPV System mode not O3 to access AV-IN

@jon_espi10

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt You are a lifesaver man! Thank you soo much!!!

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

@@jon_espi10 You are welcome, if you aren't subbed, that would help me greatly in return!

@jon_espi10

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt Ive been subbed and I love your content

Not sure if I'm fanboy-ing, but I really can't understand some points on the O3. "just plug it in and hit update" -> setup C rating? There is also just the goggles and O3 which you usually just plug into the fc, how is that more complex than all the different modules and cameras for other systems? Cost F because you can get receivers for other systems for cheap ... but I'm not an android that can see hdmi, comparable goggles with antennas aren't much cheaper? Recording is not mentioned at all, despite many many people having extra cameras on their quads. It's also the first time I've heard that O3 has worse penetration compared to Original DJI and Walksnail, but I can't personally attest to that. I also don't get why you mention 3 channels multiple times. If that is CE mode, there is no way other systems have the penetration and range of O3 and in FCC mode goggles 2 have 7 25mhz channels and I regulary fly with analog and original DJI in a 2m radius around me.

I love your content bud, if you keep going, you will surely get more and more attention. Well done and never give up. FPV for life!

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the support. It’s greatly appreciated!!

Would be cool to see what your thoughts are on HDZero with the new Freestyle VTX with 1w

@DarrenAllatt

11 ай бұрын

new Freestyle VTX? there isnt a new one is there?

@TheGoodShepherdsSheep

11 ай бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt hi, it’s not new I suppose however one of your conns for HDzero was the fact that it was limited to 200mw hence my comment about the 1000mw VTX they have. Enjoyed your video though. 👍

@TheGoodShepherdsSheep

11 ай бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt if I misheard you or didn’t quite catch something I apologise in advance. Not here to give anyone trouble mate. I am currently deciding if I should lock myself into DJI or rather go with HDZero with the option of the WS VRX for some diversity.

@DarrenAllatt

11 ай бұрын

@@TheGoodShepherdsSheep no offence taken. What goggles do you have now? If they have HDMI, maybe try both HDZ and WS through their own respective VRX’s and see how you go

@DarrenAllatt

11 ай бұрын

@@TheGoodShepherdsSheep the comment was micros and smaller quads as the 30x30 1w VTX is huge and only good for 5” freestyle

This should be updated for the hdzero freestyle v2

@DarrenAllatt

4 ай бұрын

Yes it should

Video systems a relatable to the old concept of cars being three categories, good, fast, cheap. You can be cheap and fast but it wont be good or you can be good and cheap but you wont be fast.

@DarrenAllatt

10 ай бұрын

Agree

Fully agree on the ranking, I have all goggles except the O3. You should have mentioned the fit of the googles. I don't like my DJI v2, d they are like straping a toilet seat to your face, but some might like it

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

That may need to be a seperate video ranking the goggles rather just ranking the systems. But yeah they aren’t the most comfortable

There is one big point you missed, video recording quality, and i am sure 03 air unit would win hands down, as it has up to 4k 120fps plus rock steady Stabilization without the need of a heavy external camera, does the walksnail have inbuilt Stabilization? this was one of the most important reasons i purchased the 03 system.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Good point, That only makes a difference if you aren’t using a GoPro - however most still are

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Walksnail has Gyroflow

@quadthingcopter5984

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt you can use gyroflow with most cameras, inbuilt stabilizer is convenient.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

@@quadthingcopter5984 the new avatar cameras have a gyro in them so you get a gyro file as well as dvr for the onboard Video to stabilise in gyroflow from that as opposed to trying to use black box. Most pilots use a GoPro anyway so it’s kind of void if you are

Good video. I have O3, HDZ, and WS and in general prefer HDZ. When I'm just cruising on a fine evening or going mid range, I'll use Goggles 2+O3 because it looks great. WS for me works best with an external monitor because I have the VRX, so I just plug in the HDMI to a monitor and cruise around that way.

I'm a total newb. I want the HDzero set up but don't know what I need. As far as radio Drone receiver etc etc Goggle antenna

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Ok, so HD-Zero is just the video system, it's seperate to the Radio and Receiver that's on your drone. For HD-Zero: Goggles wise, you can get one of the following: - HD-Zero Goggles, - Emax Transporter HD Goggles - HD-Zero VRX + Analog Goggles with HDMI Port For a Radio, I recommend the Radiomaster Boxer ExpressLRS Drones, well I'd recommend starting with the BetaFPV Meteor 75 HD-Zero ExpressLRS

@rkwjunior2298

Жыл бұрын

@Darren Allatt So is TBS compatible with the HD zero goggle and that radio? What abiut ELRS 2.4 vs 915 hz?. If I was to buy an iflight Nazgul 5", which configuration would I choose?

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

@@rkwjunior2298 Video Systems and Radio Systems are completely separate, they don't need to be "compatible" as they don't effect each other. That being said, ELRS has an integration with HD-Zero goggles, that doesn't make them compatible, it means there is an integration. TBS doesn't have that same integration because they are closed ecosystem. ELRS 2.4ghz as 900mhz in 2023 is not necessary, back prior to ELRS when you only had FRSKY that would failsafe 100m away, yeah 900mhz was the go. Today, 2.4ghz iFlight don't sell a HD-Zero version of the Nazgul, only DJI Original or DJI O3. If you'd like the Nazgul equivalent in HD-Zero then: - Foxeer Aura 5" Freestyle RTF - Green or Grey, up to you - RHCP - ELRS - 2306.5 1850kv - HD-Zero is the configuration This will work with HD-Zero Goggles and the Radiomaster Boxer ELRS

Interesting results but I think regarding overall feelings of pilots it's not there... I think the real battle it's against hdzero and original dji (regarding cost, latency, reliability of the signal) and pilots will choose one of them more likely than O3 or walksnail. So putting walksnail on the top and original DJI on the bottom seems to me just pure number imo...

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Walksnail at the top and Original DJI at the bottom was just how the total scores fell at the end, not how I would have ranked them if I was to rank them personally- but it was rather an objective rank.

@drze7910

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt yeah i understand that and the video was very enjoyable! Sorry bro, i think i was hungry at that time..!

@codybarnes8457

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly where I'm at lol

I have the DJI FPV with goggles V2 and while the picture quality is great, I still prefer flying my analog system for a few reasons. 1- I feel comfortable flying without the constant fear of "don't crash, it'll be expensive" 2- If I break it, I can fix it and quickly 3- Love and hate relationship with DJI

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

All good reasons. End of the day you need to fly what is right for you.

@BeautyBeastRC

Жыл бұрын

You can use your dji goggles and radio with conventional carbon fiber drones though. 😎

I really liked your comparison of all the systems. I think it is the only one on youtube at the moment. You gave good categories and it was very informative with lots of content from others, too, to support YOUR ranking. In some categories I would rank them a little bit different and it is always gonna be very SUBJECTIVE how different things are gonna be ranked. BUT all in all YOUR ranking is alright ;) Your Japanese marking was messing with me though :D nothing against it, especially because you explained it, but it is just weird to me :D :D :D

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark appreciate it. How would you rank them for each category?

Wait a second.. the original DJI v2 goggles are cheaper than the HDZero or walksnail goggles. Add to that the fact that the DJI v2 goggles come with antennas and a battery which you'd have to buy completely separate on the HDZero system.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Yes, although I wouldn’t count the included DJI battery as a bonus. Doesn’t last long.

@zuldanfpv4634

Жыл бұрын

Original DJI v2 goggles are more expensive than Goggles 2. They are EOL so people are putting them up for crazy prices.

what does the F stand for? 🙂

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Fuka

Appreciate the entertainment value for sure but kind of felt like the weighting was way off. Weighting them for freestyle and cinematic would have been ideal as that is what most people who fly will be doing with these systems. Long range and (serious) racing is something you really need to build for and kind of niche applications. I think just describing your experiences with and thoughts about them would have been better.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback- how would you have ranked them?

@monolith2001

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt For me personally I would recommend DJI for most people as you get support for both "Vista" and O3 (except V1 gpggles) with good performance all around. Walksnail seems like a decent DJI "Vista" alternative and appears to also offer all around performance plus better tinywhoop options. Analog for those on a budget and racing. Not hard to find an analog version of most BNFs. HDzero goggles are super cool but the system itself is in a weird spot feature wise where I can't see any instance where I would recommend it over any of the others.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

I agree with almost all of what you've said; if I was 'recommending' to someone what to get, that's how my recommendations would probably go as well, except for HD-Zero. HD-Zero is something where if you are an Analog pilot and hate DJI & Walksnail and want a higher resolution version of your analog setup, then HD-Zero is right for you.

@monolith2001

Жыл бұрын

​@@DarrenAllatt I think you nailed it. There is an emotional component that plays a part here that I am not putting into my rankings. I love what Carl is doing with HDZero and want to support it but cannot con myself into thinking it is better because I want to support it. I know there are people who hate DJI or have some hang-ups with Walksnail but those are personal preferences that everyone has to sort out for themselves.

Why does the FPV community keep using the term penetration? With the same wavelength and power output the penetration is equal. It's not about penetration, it's about reception. How sensitive is the system and thus can it make use of the information received? Nothing against this video. Good content.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

You raise a fair point. I guess its easier to say whether a system's broadcast can penetrate the different obstacles in the way so the goggles can receive it.

This video: Walksnail had great image quality at 30 km. DJI had good image quality at 20 km. DJI rank S! Walksnail rank A!

Thank you for your video!! really good job, you help me a lot with that !!! subscribed!

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub! Glad to have helped!

naaa HDzero goggle win for sure. . . race and freestyle use HDzero. .btw that micro quad is awesome in hdzero longrange for dive in the mount just use analog never fail me. .

Most racers are using HDZero these days.

No matter if DJI v1/v2 or O3 system, there are 7 channels + 1 puplic channel available. So more than 3 pilots can fly

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

not on the new firmware, limited to 3

@mikihay

Жыл бұрын

V1 cant update to new firmware so its on 8 channels

My opinion is for tinywhoop walksnail is killing, in another hand foe any above that dji is the winner, so for the creators to go with that, for hobbyists and having fun like me going with anlog is more than enough, I have DJI though it is interesting but in most situations you will need gopro / additional camera , so still analog is the best choice to have fun and affordable cost, IF I thinking to be a creational pilot I will go for walksnail and dji / for fun analog, There is no space or reason to go with HD zero ,…. For me at least

@DarrenAllatt

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely 💯

This video is a good idea, BUT, you cannot rank systems without applying a perfectly controlled environment : such as, antenna used, batteries, quads, etc. You cannot just take 1000 different tests out there and compile them and applying a score out of that and hope for something that fits. It's biased which make this video sadly incorrect. BUT It explains a lot of stuff clearly, the results are what they are, and will bring a lot of hate, but you clearly detach your self from them and stating you don't even own walksnail should be kinda reassuring for the haters about the results. Keep the good job going tho! And just out of curiosity, what is YOUR overall rank of these systems?

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yes I agree we could apply more controlled tests to each to come to a more accurate score for each. Although that’s a time and money issue unfortunately. How I’d rank the systems? Well that’s nuanced to the use case and the person. For a beginner who’s just starting, I’d recommend them to go with analog to learn FPV, and save the extra funds from goggles and VTX on batteries and a decent radio. It also allows them to fly as much as they can from whoops to freestyle, racing and long range - this allows them to work out what kind of flying they like the most, then they can do into a digital system that is right for them. If HDZero get their image quality and penetration solved to a standard that’s comparable with DJI Original (they won’t ever do re-transmission of lost packets but can do something to lesson the pain of the break) then I’d think that’s the best “all round” as in does everything reasonably well (racing, freestyle, micros, long range). I think a lot of people don’t get into racing once they’ve gone DJI or Walksnail as it would cost too much to get HDZero and they won’t want to go back to analog. It’s a shame, racing even if you have no aspirations of being MCK is great skill developer for freestyle & cinematic. Look at Vannover, racing helped him get on a Michael Bay film. I’d like to see Walksnail do a racing mode, which doesn’t do RE-transmission and goggles don’t transmit, that would then be the best system for most pilots. But DJI could do the same as well, except they need a solution for micros I’m not set on any one system being the one to recommend at the moment without considering nuance.

@tomymoonly

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt I think this answer should have been in the video cause it s a perfect conclusion and it s pretty objective. From all I have seen I don see much more difference between hdzero and others in term of signal reception (penetration) but the small breakups are more noticable due to the snow. As an open source, hdzero could I think build different configuration to be near as good as ws or DJI in term of image quality. But it LL take time.

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

be careful sniveling Darren will threaten to block and remove you if you disagree with his whining comparisons...Bah ha ha ha

Cool overview. Well encompassing. Having lived with all the systems, flight feel is most important to me so my ranking is 1. HDZero 2. Avatar and Analog 3. DJI (both rank the same) But it really depends on what you need. If you like looking at the beautiful scenery, are a crappy pilot, and fly by yourself O3 wins hands down. And for racing I perform significantly better with HDZero’s Runcam90 compared to analog, so that’s a clear win for me. Avatar has the best flight feel of the retransmission systems and you can fly with others, so it does really well in mixed company and social freestyle. DJI is super available everywhere, and even though flight feel is unacceptable to me, many fly it perfectly fine. Hey, at least we have choice! That is the true message, we had to suffer with DJI or analog not to long ago… literally last year :p I have improved greatly after graduating from those systems, they both were holding me back significantly and I just didn’t know better. So happy now!!!

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Well said!

@KOrnhOliO1

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, #1 for looking the closest to plain ole analog and costing one HELLA lot for the tiny improvement in image quality you get from plain ole analog! Good old ANALOG2! Yup, predicted you'd like the system that does so little over analog, YET COSTS SO DAMN MUCH - Especially when you make HDZero do analog and Walksnail - way, way over A THOUSAND BUCKS! Sheesh! THE WORST VALUE in all of FPV - Because you get so little improvements in image quality, penetration, and range with image clarity over analog....ESSENTIALLY NONE!

@lemonsquareFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@KOrnhOliO1 your value view is on point, as usual. It’s just that I literally have no choice… it’s only between analog or HDZero for racing, and the new 90hz stuff lets me lap upto 2 seconds faster AND more consistently than analog! I see why most are racing with it recently, there literally isn’t a choice if you want to do well… I generally fly 40-80+ packs every day, so it really, really matters to me. And flying HDZero is so much more pleasant than flying analog for hours, I always struggled with, and got a headache from analog, it was always so difficult for me, even from the beginning. But now flying on HDZero it is an absolute pleasure. 🤷‍♂️ to each their own, I guess? Some absolutely love analog and to them it’s perfect and doesn’t hold them back, at all, but I’m not a top 10 pilot, still a ways off, so it absolutely affects my performance! Value wise, you are right, it sucks ass, especially for the ones that don’t need it… but that’s like saying an 18 wheeler is bad value for the average person (it’s horrible value)… if you need it… it’s not about value, it’s what will get the job done. Avatar VRX is likely the best value if you have compatible goggles, or 100% the OG DJI system if starting from scratch, but there is more to FPV once you get past learning to fly… it gets much more specialized, and last year was an amazing year for video systems!!! O3, Avatar AND HDZero were all introduced to a very different audience, specializing in VERY different flight feel and behaviour. I really think you need to live with it for a while…. O3 for example really surprised me, I was set to run it for everything (except racing obviously), but I couldn’t deal with the poor flight feel… Quality is absolutely unmatched, but that’s not the only requirement for me, and it really was holding me back… that’s also why it hurt so bad, I really wanted to run the system and it just didn’t live up to my expectations, I’m literally still sad about it… that’s why I went over what is suitable for every type of pilot, according to my personal experience, in my post above. I always appreciate your view point, as we are into very different things, it keeps me more centred, because honestly, in racing especially, everything is SUPER canted to once side, for a reason mind you (as that’s where the performance lies)… but you always help me get out of myself and see the bigger picture. I mean it’s not just the runny nose racers, I see the freestyle fanatics, and long range lunatics view points as I am part of those groups as well… and I can safely say… the dogma is real at times😜 Some jump on the newest hotness and test everything and some don’t want anything to change… all kinds of amazing people, I love them all! Look at the toroidal propeller fad that’s currently unfolding, it’s so much fun to observe this community sometimes, I’m so happy to be part of it!!! It has changed my life for the positive, that’s why I try to get people in and help them learn, it has given me so much!! And I do my best to give back as much as I can. Thank you.

@KOrnhOliO1

Жыл бұрын

@@lemonsquareFPV racing must be a new passion for you. not into it at all...so repetitive and too competitive. yes, hdzero and analog would be best for racing. but, not for much else, imo. i'm so over so much snow, not being able to fly around objects, heck not around a corner of a building, and having no range with a clear image. i've moved on from both analogs and the performance they give us. i'm beyond the suck! lol

@lemonsquareFPV

Жыл бұрын

@@KOrnhOliO1 Both analogs 🤣😜 nice 👍🏻 legit made me giggle. Lots of places are starting to do digital racing, just makes it a bit more complicated with making sure everyone is flying clean, and much harder when you can’t just see everyone’s feeds all at the same time, on a single screen, kinda important when money is on the line and a second can be the difference between $100 and $5000+. If DJI or Caddx wanted they can easily make it happen today, seems like Caddx is actually working on this… which is pretty exciting!!! Picture digital racing in massive industrial/forest/whatever interesting venues, with 2km+ track lengths! That would be nuts! We’ll get there! This is in no way the end of this technology’s development!!! Imagine what it would be like in 5 years, imagine how it was 5 years ago! It’s only getting faster and better by the second! Look at DJIs picture quality between their two systems, just a few years apart! Literally amazing quality difference, I still can’t believe it’s real! Still upset they didn’t make the rest of O3 as good as I wanted, but whatever, I can’t blame them for my weird brains perception to latency 😜, in a couple of years we’ll probably have our minds blown again!!! Yeah, I have really started getting into racing, I love the social aspect of this hobby in general, wether it’s chasing each other, especially when with more than 2-3 people, and just screwing around shredding a spot (🥰 so good 😊) or racing… which is super similar, especially with a good natural venue or warehouse or industrial park and not just an empty field… I really don’t like those, thankfully they are not common in our circle. Also my practice setup is so much fun, I have natural obstacles with a gorge, river, tall trees, short trees, tons of plants, boulders, logs, branches, huge elevation changes… I made natural gates and tunnels and stuff. It’s literally a dream to fly for me, if it was an open field I would go crazy the first week 😜 I’m not that kind of person! And I can really enjoy the environment… especially with Avatar, it’s quite the system, I still can’t get over the sheer consistency! It blew my mind when I first tried it! I couldn’t believe how hard I can push it, and not feel like it’s massively holding me back. I wish DJI would fix flying with others and the latency on O3, if they do, man, I’ll rebuy all that stuff in a heartbeat, but I’ll likely have to wait for O4 in a couple of years. Also isn’t it nice that we have so much choice now, how crappy would it be if it was just analog and analog2 😜, with an extra side of snow… likely you won’t be as happy? We are so lucky! And it’s only gonna get better! Thanks for everything. I’m really happy with this amazing thing we call FPV, no matter how we all do it! It’s all cool. Again… just imagine how it was 5 years ago!!! 🤯 I’m happy now, but also super excited about the future!

I cant even get my dji v1 googels to fly 200 meters before delay and lag

@DarrenAllatt

9 ай бұрын

Do they stay in low power mode

I thought walksnail has worse breakup compared to all, according to other youtube content. why you think otherwise and gave it 4-5-5 while analog is 4-1-1? Im confused.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

The original firmware Walksnail launched, yes, it wad the worst breakup. However the last couple of firmware releases the breakup isn't noticeable. Before I gave the scores, I knew I had the judge Walksnail on the latest release, not the initial release, hence why it scored the way it did.

@alperenozgur

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt thanks 👍🏻 seems still has lot of latency as VRX for my ORQA.. I think they didn't bought ImmersionRC just for fun; i hope we see "promised" ORQA digital soon.. 😩

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

@@alperenozgur that’s probably due to how the Orqa processes HDMI In

@metefpv

Жыл бұрын

@@alperenozgur On the Oscar Liang Walksnail Avatar VRX site is a list of analog goggles latencies. Orqa is 2nd last with 52ms, better are HDO2 for example.

S Thump Up👍

S for you

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

thank you

Original DJI… is this excluding the V2’s??

@DarrenAllatt

8 ай бұрын

What do you mean?

@james36606

8 ай бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt in the tier scale….you mentioned “original DJI goggles” (V1). Just wanted to know was the V2 including or Excluding in the “original DJI goggles”.

I want to know goggles X

fuka...just kidding great video Darren 😂

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

😂 thanks Evan.

O3 air unit is the clear winner for a normal person flying

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Agree!

@jumpstartfpv

Жыл бұрын

With loads of money

@jackinabackpack7599

Жыл бұрын

In every catagorie but price. In Germany a set of Goggles 2 and a single air unit is slightly over €1100. Much higher than all other competition. I wish I could justify it though 😂

@TheCivildecay

Жыл бұрын

Normal person with a lot of money

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

for fan boys perhaps but ANALOG is still KING in the FPV community

Megabyte is not the same as megabit.

Analog literally beat HDZero in your penetration test video but you give it an F and HDZero a D...

@madladdan

11 ай бұрын

And Analog has been pushed to hundreds of km while HDZero has not. Again you rate HDZero above Analog for the range test.

@madladdan

11 ай бұрын

Then for image quality you give HDZero a C. If you have 5 systems you need 5 levels of rating. Otherwise you can manipulate the tests to not count as much.

@DarrenAllatt

11 ай бұрын

No, I don’t need 5 levels of rating. This is the standard rating system you can see used right across KZread on your typical rating videos. And the whole point is, this is my rating of the different systems. I have the ratings based upon my preferences and what I determined their ratings to be. If you don’t like it, cool, have your different view - but don’t criticise by ratings because you don’t agree with them. Instead, put your case forward as to why you would rate them different

@DarrenAllatt

11 ай бұрын

No, I don’t need 5 levels of rating. This is the standard rating system you can see used right across KZread on your typical rating videos. And the whole point is, this is my rating of the different systems. I have my reasons as to why I rated each system that way for each segment. For example, I don’t care if analog can go 400kms but you have to use 1.3ghz with a 500w TX, it’s 5.8ghz on what we have access to for our typical use case. I have the ratings based upon what I determined their ratings to be. If you don’t like it, cool, have your different view - but don’t criticise by ratings because you don’t agree with them. Instead, put your case forward as to why you would rate them different

Who needs 4k? 720 is still a nice quality .

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Goggles can only for to 1080 on the others anyway n

Great video Darren. So what you’re saying is HDZero Goggles + WS VRX = absolute best way to go 😂. Will be interesting to run these tests again when HDZero bring out 1080p, penetration mode and firmware updating over WiFi.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Zuldan! Well let’s see how things go this year and maybe I can run the rankings again in 12 months time

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

Maybe one day that system will get a A ranking bt it still has issues that is being addressed and ANALOG is still used by the majority of the FPV community even by those who have HD systems so sniveling Darrens claim is not true and when that was stated he gets angry when anyone disagrees with him so beware he will threaten to block anyone who does !!!

I've only been flying for almost a year now, I started with fatshark dominator v6 goggles and Analog everything, for me analog was fine with a good vtx and camera its ok picture quality but with that a good vtx is 60-70 bucks a good camera is 30-50 bucks then you have to solder/ setup all these vtx tables and channels and everything not the easiest thing for new flyer's to figure out after trying my buddy's dji setup with a caddx nebula pro i went next day bought some dji goggles v2 and 3 vistas and swapped all my quads to digital and never looked back analog is like watching an old TV your grandma may have had layong around that barely worked and dji is like watching 4k tv with no issues 🤣 comparing these systems are silly hd zero is just analog with digital break up 😅 walk snail is a straight up copy of dji just slapped there name on it and changed it too worse image quality so yeah these are all opinions but i feel there fair, dji wins for me at first i didnt want to be a dji fan boy but after suffering thru analog for so long i have mad respect for how good dji just works plus the 03 air unit isnt that big at all plus getting able to record better vid then most of yall with a old asf gorpo hero session 5 lol unless your racing there's zero need for analog or tiny whoopin i suppose even then ive seen some 1.5 inch quads with a vista so ehh i can go without little itty bitty quads they seem like more of a gimic then flying the real thing.

S rating. Upgrading to walksnail.

You forgot that HD Zero also can be used for analog so I think it definitely outscores analog for compatibility.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Hey Robert, yes you are right the HDZero goggles have analog compatibility, same as the DJI FPV Goggles v1 and v2; however I’m afraid this video is ranking the system in its entirety and not just a feature of the goggles. You raise a fair point for goggle compatibility

Analogue is in a weird place. Its cheaper overall to get in, but on the other hand end setups arent cheap. Goggles cost as much as digital ones, plus you have to get module + antennas. Good drone setups are about 100 euro (~35eur cam + ~50eur vtx + ~20eur antenna ) and a vista is under 200 euro. And the vista is just plug and play, no screwing around trying to get a clean image like you have to do with Analogue. I've started flying about 4 months ago and decided to get in with analogue setup because it seemed cool at the time. Getting oled googles and decent module + antennas, factoring in all the time it took me to setup the drone side correctly, so no breakup is induced from the ecs and power line, just getting a v2 goggles and vista would've been cheaper.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

If I was starting with Analog, I wouldnt be going for a high end analog setup. I'd be going with Box goggles like the Eachine EV800D ($100) then as I learned to fly and crash less then i'd move to digital. I think a new pilot doesn't have enough FPV experience to make a decision on which Digital System best suits them. So getting out, and having a ride along with other pilots using different systems will give you the best feeling for which is right.

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

ANALOG is still King and is FAR Cheaper than any HD system and are easily obtained from a vast array of sources

A

S Have you seen the a Avatar HD Pro at night yet? 😮 Wow! Just wow!

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

I don’t fly at night, but maybe there are some spots that I can fly late at night with it for fun.

s

Gotta say, that confused me....

@DarrenAllatt

2 ай бұрын

What confused you?

man I really like your videos, but your recording sound is just really hard to listen to

b

Sorry but Walksnail image quality is not better than First gen DJI. The walksnail camera colorimetry is off and dynamic range is terrible.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

I generally agree. When I was researching for this video, I found that in the recent firmware versions the colour and dynamic range has been pretty good, the difference really came down to resolution.

S

Lmao. Image quality? Yeah, analog can be "pretty good". Racing? Nah, analog image is "trash" (direct quotes). Also, HDZero has far worse penetration than analog, watt for watt. Nevermind the fact that you can get 2.5w analog VTXs for less money than the 1w HDZero VTX.

Fuka lmao

You certainly value things differently than I do. I didn't spend all that money on upgrading to digital to accept sub par video quality so HDZero is out of the running for me entirely. It's not good enough at short range compared to the competition and the mode of breakup at range is very annoying. I'm currently flying DJI and O3 but keeping a keen eye on Walksnail as they seem more receptive to the community's desires (while also producing an acceptably good image). The latency argument is overblown IMO...I don't race and don't care. DJI/Walksnail latency are good enough. I get that the HDZero guys are passionate but the system just looks bad by comparison.

@KcFpv..

Жыл бұрын

All great points I totally agree Don't have the energy to explain this to people like you do so great job

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Do I though? The rankings of the systems in the categories (range, latency, image quality) etc were all based upon their performance in that category. Latency for example, was not 'flyable latency' it was pure measurable latency, as you rightly said you don't race and you don't care, and most pilots who just fly where they can won't necessarily care either. HD-Zero received an appropriately lower score for its image quality, while O3 scored the highest and rightly so. I think you will find the subjective scores I gave for Freestyle would all agree with you, based upon what you value more in a system.

@Invid72

Жыл бұрын

​ @Darren Allatt I feel like the main reason people are upgrading to digital systems is the increased visual fidelity and as a result image quality should have greater emphasis than other criteria when evaluating them. You noted that the DJI are more expensive to get into but that's only half the story. Both Walksnail and HDZero offer cheaper entries into their ecosystems but they're limited to 60fps which is a significant limitation. You didn't compare like for like or even note those limitations when discussing the cost. When you buy devices with the same capability (90-120 hz in the native goggles for each system) the prices are equivalent (the DJI V2s are actually cheaper than the Walksnail and HDZero goggles). I was most surprised by the freestyle category. On top of O3's superior live video image quality, the air unit's claim to fame is that it allows you to omit an action cam and its associated weight and expense and that somehow didn't merit an S rank? Please don't get me wrong...I enjoyed the video but I would definitely have placed the emphasis differently. I'll be watching for more videos from your channel because I like your take even when I don't agree.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

​@@Invid72 and it's good to be able to discuss the different points and learn from each other! I appreciate you continuing to tune in! I wanted to do "value for money" but that would make the video way longer and probably a video on it's on.. "which FPV system is best value for money" and yeah the cheaper entry through VRX is DJI Goggles 2 have up to 100hz so even when flying in 120fps you aren't getting the full FPS from the camera, you get 100fps. HD-Zero is now doing 90fps and their goggles are 90Hz, so you can get full refresh rate; and 90 vs 100fps I'd belive is negligible difference. I did a video testing O3 vs GoPro 11 and most people still said the GoPro was miles better than O3, which I agree you don't need one, however it didn't get the S rank because you can only record in what you are flying, so if you want to record 4k 30fps, that's what you get in the goggles and its like flying drunk. While the GoPro allows you to record in 4k 30fps and have the VTX set at 1080/120fps for the lowest latency. So I felt the trade off not being able record and transmit in different resolutions & frame rates held it back from the S. Yeah increased visual quality is the main factor for going digital, but that's increased over analog.. the difference between how these systems perform overall does change how an end user would preference one or the other. I think of this analogy when people compare HD-Zero and DJI O3, it's like buying a Ferrari or a Bentley; both are luxury cars and are designed to excel at one of the 3 circles in the venn diagram (image/comfort, range/usability, latency/speed) Thanks for having a discussion as opposed to an argument :)

Sorry but I cannot agree with you. There are so many variables to take into account when considering which system to buy. In our European community 90 percent are using the DJI Goggles V1 and V2 because overall it is still the best

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Hey, we don’t need to agree. For the benefit of others, who are trying to work out what’s best for them - can you share why for Europeans DJI v1 & v2 is the best?

@fpv-teacher

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt well from what I can tell is that one huge reason is that the goggles V1 and V2 are the only ones where users can wear glases instead of having to get diopter inserts. Secondly most people don't want to spend a ton of money changing their goggles and vtx. The signal is strong and stable and no need to worry about breakup when flying in rural areas. Also my guess is that Europeans tend to go for something that is well known and has a big name instead of trying something new. I personally thought about swapping to Walksnail just because of the new low light camera but will not do so yet because for me CADDX is currently providing products that are not 100 percent, rather 70 percent and that is not good enough.

@zuldanfpv4634

Жыл бұрын

Darren just pointed out the many variables of each system. You can make your own choice.

I think he hates analog

@DarrenAllatt

11 ай бұрын

he? You know, I have a name.. it's Darren. No, I dont hate analog. But when you have 3-4 Amazing HD Solutions to choose from, why choose analog?

@user-eh5mx7wo8m

10 ай бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt hi That was meant more as a joke, but I think a big advantage of the analog FPV system is that it is very cheap and lighter than some of the digital alternatives.

Oh come on

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Come on?

Range needs to be "With Clarity". Cuz some of us don't give a RATS ASS about flying way up high for as far as we can go! Why is that fun? You're up a thousand or many more feet and you're obviously flying around nothing, just cruising as far as you can go. How is there any fun to that?! I've never gotten it, still don't and will argue forever with anyone about why that is A TOTALLY AND UTTERLY BORING! If you want to se how far you can go without losing your gear, fine. But, that's not something fun or exciting after you've done it once! Most least favorite thing in FPV. Why not see how far you can fly going somewhere close to land and while you can still get clear video? Much more useful to me, because lots of these long range test are so full of snow I could care less about any of them! A total waste of time!

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

Flyable image is the second ranking.

@tmc-fpv

Жыл бұрын

Pushing something youve built with your own hands to a place where failure results in complete loss (for example up a mountain or across a sea) is far more exciting than looping a tree or broken wall 10m from where your standing. Flying LR is about mixed emotions. I often have to remind myself to calmly breathe so I dont misread a vital piece of osd info. Miscalculating your remaining battery, or not acknowledging a change in wind speed could be catasrophic. Flying LR with analog requires more balls than any freestyle flight will ever need.

@KOrnhOliO1

Жыл бұрын

@@tmc-fpv Yeah, but it's simply not FUN! 🤦‍♂You're confusing FUN with ANXIETY, STRESS, BEING NERVOUS...I get enough of those emotions in regular life already! That's THE LAST thing I want is MORE ANXIETY! I'm trying to fly places where I have LE chance of losing my quad and investment! Not More!!! Plus, way up in the open sky flying straight to get as far as you can....HECK! You could fly that with one hand on the sticks....ERRRR.....NO HANDS ON THE STICKS! Doing long range is what WINGS WERE MADE FOR! Not drones!!!! B O R I N G ! 🥴🥱💯

@tmc-fpv

Жыл бұрын

@@KOrnhOliO1 I would imagine that skydivers or race car drivers would say they do what they do because they're having fun.

@tmc-fpv

Жыл бұрын

@@KOrnhOliO1 I fly both quads and wings. Got more wings than quads.

Is this video a joke? If so it's hilarious 😂

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean?

@tonymorgan328

Жыл бұрын

@fillyStyle_FPV Please elaborate.

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

Sniveling Darren is a Joke like his video's nonsense

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

@@DarrenAllatt O geez your comp skills need work there little Sniveler Darren he said it right it is a joke like you are little kid...Bah ha ha ha Blocked me yet ?LOL

Bottom line if you're going to fly outside get DJI. Picture quality range penetration durability all of which are night and day above everything else. And the tiny bit of price difference is completely negligible. If you're going to fly inside analog tiny whoops. If you're a racer analog or HD zero. For freestyle the latency of all the systems is completely negligible I don't think anyone can tell the difference between 10 milliseconds and 35 milliseconds. Recommending woke snail just seems a little irresponsible.

@DarrenAllatt

Жыл бұрын

so, point of clarification, I didn't recommend walksnail, that's just how the scores added up. But agree for most pilots, DJI for your regular park / crusing / freestyle is probably the best choice

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

DJI is an unreliable company and who knows what that company is going to do next and how many goggles will it take to wake DJI fan boys up to that fact ? seriously If you want to be a photographer droner by all means DJI, but anything else FPV ANALOG is still KING and will remain so for some time to come, inside or out

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

@@markitzero7408 and yet the majority are still using analog and even after buying HD systems still are flying analog, so how does that FACT NOT make it the KING of FPV at this time? Sure one day the HD "may" get to the top of the mountain in FPV but that has NOT happened yet because these systems still have issues at their price that should never be there AT those prices and WHY so many still fly analog even with HD goggles etc. I did not make any of those facts up everyone can easily research it to know that as the thousands of online FPV vids prove it as well as countless articles concerning the subject , just so you know BUT your terminology of "every situation" is correct .

@FlyingBuzzard

Жыл бұрын

@@markitzero7408 O well, it appears when one does something human behavior tends to lead others in the same group to follow suit, but Nationally the RC FPV community is still flying analog and the odd thing is and you can see the hundreds of videos they even with HD equipment they revert back to flying analog buying analog compatible modules to do so .