Wood and Metal are from Chinese Wuxing. The Five Elements are Fire, Water, Wood, Metal (or Gold) and Earth (or Soil). I think they are fantastic inclusions with Tian Xia coming later this year.

@HowItsPlayed

Жыл бұрын

Good to know -- thanks!

@ScottFernandezscooter313

Жыл бұрын

@@HowItsPlayed And it's not even a new concept for Paizo or D&D to include them. It was in PF1e Ultimate Magic and in 3.5e it was in complete arcane under the Wu Jen.

@questmarq7901

Жыл бұрын

Wood and Metal are not good elements for pf2e. From lore, to concept. Instead they should had made them sub-elements options for earth, maybe through feats and stuff

@tretzesglaons9486

Жыл бұрын

​@@questmarq7901i will raise my kids as Taoists

@wee3ist

Жыл бұрын

​@@questmarq7901pathfinder lore is very varied and includes stuff like actual ww1 Russia And wdym by system? I hope in addition for the new holy and unholy traits they add alternate rules for that which include spiritual traits from multiple cultures like the Dao or the kabbalic sephirot

Yeah, I like the inclusion of wood and metal elements. It lets you represent both the Four Element and Five Element systems with six elements.

Well for telekinisis we have the psychic, so i don't see any problem here

Paizo is really killing me giving the book to youtubers and not just letting me buy it already! 😭

@HowItsPlayed

Жыл бұрын

It's worth the wait. :)

@GoddessCynthia

Жыл бұрын

its actually out to subscribers as well!

@asraiSOA

Жыл бұрын

It's out. Did you pre-order it? Mine's OTW.

@ZonsoAvalune

Жыл бұрын

@@asraiSOA Nope. Only preorders and subscribers get shipments and pdfs. I just want to buy the pdf but it’s not purchasable buy the public til the 3rd.

@asraiSOA

Жыл бұрын

@@ZonsoAvalune Oh ok, I got'cha.

Wood and metal have a longer irl history in china than the classic 4 alchemical elements do in europe. It's only new to the old fashioned 4 elements from a eurocentric point of view, so I think this works really well given paizo's increased efforts to broaden the game system beyond purely eurocentric medieval fantasy.

@feral_orc

Жыл бұрын

doesn't mean the "wood" element sounds any less ridiculous lol

@thrawn82

Жыл бұрын

@@feral_orc I mean, i have family who go and engage in ritual effigy cannibalism every week, who am I to say someone else's culture is ridiculous?

@feral_orc

Жыл бұрын

​@@thrawn82 you should probably distance yourself from that if you don't like it. It's not my problem they do a bad job explaining it, just like you did explaining another cultural phenomenon

@thrawn82

Жыл бұрын

@@feral_orc I don't think it's a problem with the explanation, just a problem with the comprehension. That's not really on them.

@feral_orc

Жыл бұрын

@@thrawn82 good job resulting to insulting my intelligence, goes to show how much of an argument you have

If you want to see all six elements put to good use, read the Codex Alera series by Jim Butcher, starting with Furies of Calderon. Although most of the prominent wood crafters are also earth crafters, so wood doesn't get to stand out much.

@trenonian2124

Жыл бұрын

The devastating archery from wood crafters was really cool.

I think this book is very heavy metal and I wood very much like to also already have my copy of it.

New music intro 😮

What's stopping my ass from going monk dedication with this to make damn sure everyone knows there is no war in ba sing se

Great recap, thanks Dave!

@HowItsPlayed

Жыл бұрын

You're very welcome!

Another awesome review!! Thanks!!

Finally a great Review pointing out the content without going too much in detail unlike several "greedy KZreadrs" already did. Thanks for your Review i always can count on you for this quality content of your Channel. August 3rd is only the PDF Release says Paizo Website, the Book is already shipping out cause a friend of mine got it and he isnt a Influencer or a in any way connected to Paizo. Just a normal Guy xD

Thank you for the clear and very digestible review man 😃 Edit: You raise a fair criticism bout Wood and the horror of a flesh plane. I am all for it as I love the concept of a plan of body horror 🤣😄

Oh wow that class looks so fun

Great review Dave! Thank you. Now I have to rewatch it again to listen to what you’re saying instead of pouring over the page screenshots….

You made mistakes with Elemental Blast: 1. It can be ranged or melee attacks. Melee attacks add STR. 2. That is maximum range like spells, _not_ a range increment. The "make the blast look like weapons" thing gives them range increments.

Give us the Flesh Elemental Plane, Paizo!

@questmarq7901

Жыл бұрын

I have created 1 entry creature in that element in the next roll4combat contest. It's called "Muscle Weaver - Exoskeleton Parasite." It's a symbiotic (if you're lucky) lovecraftian creature that it is inspired by Venom and artistically from the video game Scorn

@questmarq7901

Жыл бұрын

RPGsuperstars2023

@thrawn82

Жыл бұрын

Theres a level of the ~abyss~ Outer Rifts that is that i think.

It is interesting that the elemental rage ability calls out that if you have kineticist impulses with the same element type, those get the rage trait. If I am understanding it correctly, it should allow you to make a barbarian with a decent secondary ranged attack.

@thrawn82

Жыл бұрын

elemental barb looks like it would synergize really well with a kineticist multiclass archetype

There is something confusing. You stated a "normal" turn is channel elements + blast + impulse. Everywhere I read you can just have your aura up at all times. This gives way more flexibility. Just want to clarify in case someone gets confused. This means you can start with your overflow spell.

yeah, I miss Aether as element, too. Especially, since my last pf1 group is now switching to pf2 and the character I play in that group is an Aerokineticist with aether as his second element. Gonna have to give him Psychic dedication with distant grasp to make him similar, I guess.

Am I crazy or is the kinetic blast just straight up worse than electric arc? Also, you can not change the shape of your blast, right?

Is there some specific class feats I was hoping the druid would get some elemtal feats for some of the elemtal themed orders

Besides Wood And Metal changes. How did you feel about the other "remaster"changes that are already in the book? Was ist harder to read (confusing) It will take a loooong time for me to adjust to the new changes, especially to the ones that got changed instead of removed/added

@HowItsPlayed

Жыл бұрын

The changes felt extremely minor. If I didn't go looking for changes, I wouldn't notice most of them.

thank you for providing information about the new book. Are there any "once per day" abilities in the Kineticist tool box?

@lawrl777

Жыл бұрын

not really, other than the spells they get from their attenuator item

Back in 1e a kineticist who "double dipped" could access wood, lava, metal, and....blood. So if wood and metal are moved to being their own full elements now then the missing seventh "flesh" element would logically be Blood.

In reality there’s only one con(assuming he doesn’t know the 6 elements is Chinese culture inspired) so this is easily a must buy. Sure martials are a little starved but we got a whole class in compensation and it’s epic so it’s forgivable

How do Kineticists fare in solo boss fights and in general compared to spell casters. Could Kineticist be considered the "Blaster" caster?

@LordReginaldMeowmont

Жыл бұрын

The damage felt uncomfortably low in the playtest. Hopefully they fixed it.

@chetori__

Жыл бұрын

@@LordReginaldMeowmont From what i've read so far they will lack in the damage department as much as regular casters. They follow the same caster progression and seem to be AoE and control oriented just as casters. But I want some more information from someone who actually read through the entire thing.

@NNextremNN

Жыл бұрын

I heard they have a magic item that let's them add +1/2/3 to their attack rolls with their impulses but not to their DCs. So they should at least hit more often then casters.

One of the Cons should be that this book was edited to use the language of the remastered books that aren't released yet! It might seem like minor changes but the language is jarring. This should have been the last classic PF2 book - not the first remastered one.

Maybe they didn't include the aether and telekinesis in the kineticist, because they already did something similar with the Psion?

I'm a Lil upstairs monk and druid didn't get any new options.. I get druid not having metal but no wood order?

@HowItsPlayed

Жыл бұрын

I think the Leaf Order is the corresponding elemental order for Wood.

I was surprised this was coming out so close to the new remastered rule books. I guess I incorrectly understood all the books to be combined into the new books

@moshtradamus92

Жыл бұрын

this book is the first to be created with the remaster in mind

I thought it was going to be an adventure.

I just wish they revamped the sorcerer elemental bloodline oh well theres always homebrew

Wait, I thought that Rage if the Elements was gonna have a new Awakened Animal Ancestry. 🤔 Where did I hear this? In any case I'm sure my players will want to know if the kineticist once it comes out.

@sovietpersonman

Жыл бұрын

That is another book that will come out later

@questmarq7901

Жыл бұрын

Wrong book. Its the next one that focuses on animals

@drunemeton

Жыл бұрын

It’s “Howl of the Wild” that has those.

Cons also just too few high level creatures. After lv 14 theres just like 3 or 4 of them above that, there's people who love high level battles and just because isn't the most popular way or whatever feels bad they dont include more, builds the world less too.

Is there a pocket edition?

I mean pyrokinesis aka moving fire is definitely a thing, where pyromancer is just "divining using fire" ;P Anyway, since I prefer more lore to mechanics(more player options is always good but also just also kinda start competing with each other more there are of them), I'm not sure if that ratio is good or not, but so far it seems pretty nice from previews

i still cant get over the name kineticist, if i hit you with a club or any object for that matter i hit you with kinetic energy

@questmarq7901

Жыл бұрын

Kinisi is a Greek word meaning movement. Maybe they should had called the class Stichiorg-y/ea/os, the one that creates elements

I am fearing some distinct power creep, from what Nonat1's video on the Kineticist revealed. We'll see if they adjust some of their abilities.

@REDMDavyd

Жыл бұрын

I also have this concern, though I'm not worrying too much yet. Granted I'm relatively new to 2e, but with the Remastered books coming soon and Paizo (I believe) saying books like Rage of Elements are made with those rules in mind, im thinking this book previews the new level for the game and I'm ok with that assuming the other classes, monsters, etc adjust as well.

@CooperSummersVA

Жыл бұрын

Nonat definitely likes to play up the power of some stuff. Its definitely the strongest blaster caster, but its worth noting he talked about thaumaturge much the same way when it was revealed and while its very solid, its defo not broken

@kylone1

Жыл бұрын

The Rules Lawyer had a pretty good take. Kineticists don't hit as hard in melee as martials, or burst as high as casters in spells. Instead, they have a group of abilities that give them flexibility between the two extremes. Power-wise, they are near Inventors and swashbucklers.

@REDMDavyd

Жыл бұрын

@@CooperSummersVA I love Nonat's content and say this as a big fan of his channel, but you know...I wondered if he sometimes overexaggerated power level of things. I still pretty new so it's nice to know more experienced players think the same, because I don't have much experience to go from.

@arachnofiend2859

Жыл бұрын

The kineticist can't break the top end; even the most narrowly single target focused kineticist does less single target damage than a Fighter. This is fine, because that Kineticist's access to AOE and weakness targeting is way better than the Fighter's even with all that investment in single target damage.

I'm going to assume that Holy and Unholy will not actually be that useful. Also find it odd that the rule is referenced in a Book that doesn't even explain what Sanctification is and how to do it. I still do not like the Metal Geniekin being called Talos. That was a Greek Machine, not a being of Metal. Everything else is interesting, but I do not think Sanctification needed to be in this book. Not like they're going to leave it up to Players which Deities Sanctify as Holy or Unholy. I'm more interested in if there are creatures with a Metal Elemental weakness than something with an Unholy weakness. Wouldn't be able to tell what had the latter anyway.

@Mada003akamagikarp

Жыл бұрын

This book is meant to be usable with remastered books holy and unholy will assist clerics that wish to be deities of the elemental gods. (And probably champions too later down the line). I would be annoyed if this information was missing

@bennettkrack9247

Жыл бұрын

They're just future-proofing for the remastered core books coming in Q4, basically releasing the errata now instead of after Player Core comes out.

@Olimar92

Жыл бұрын

@@Mada003akamagikarp Nothing a small table in the Core won't fix. Not like the structure of Deities changed that much, and I highly doubt the Remastered Core is going to have every deity released.

@Olimar92

Жыл бұрын

@@bennettkrack9247 The Deity Blocks aren't much different to the way they are already. Plus, what's the actual point? You can have Clerics of them now, but there is no info on Sanctifying. I doubt the new Core Books will have every Deity Released. The only thing that has changed is their Alignment has been switched with a Mechanic I have very low expectations for. I don't even think it will even be useful. Only one, possibly two, classes are even able to use Holy and Unholy. And all they do is modify actions, if the Q&A stuff from the Con means anything. We have no idea how they'll modify anything. It's going to be a special Class Based Mechanic, hopefully it's useful. This isn't even Future Proofing. They did this because they began the Remaster during the Rage of Elements Development. It's just making sure they don't need to add more deities to a table that tells you who Sanctifies in what way. Which I'm 100% sure they'll do, unless they plan on reprinting every Deity in the new Core Books. Holy and Unholy is starting to feel like the Thuamaturge's Chalice. It has the Positive and Healing Traits for the Drain Action, unless the one Draining the Chalice is Undead, then it's negative. People say it's future proofing, and I call BS. Does anyone think Paizo would release a Player option that cannot heal by the majority of Healing Options? The Construct Companion is the only PC related option that can't be healed by any normal option. It must be Repaired. I doubt Paizo would have an Ancestry that could only be healed by that single action.

No blood kineticist is the biggest con for me currently really hoped to remake my pf1e character in this edition.

The damage for Kineticists is still too low. This was the #1 complaint about the playtest.

Yeah wood and metal for me are also combined elements. Like ice or lightning.

@questmarq7901

Жыл бұрын

Yup, they are sub-elements of earth or water

@tyrusdalet

Жыл бұрын

In European/Western philosophy, yes. But in Eastern philosophy (which has been around longer) they forgo Air and add Metal and Wood (or grain). This way, the 6 Elements of Pathfinder fulfil 4 Element Western Philosophy and the 5 Element Eastern Philosophy.

@questmarq7901

Жыл бұрын

@@tyrusdalet that's false. The western philosophy of elements go back to the pre-bronze era (>1200bc), in Minoan and Mycenaean times, not counting Egypt

@tyrusdalet

Жыл бұрын

@@questmarq7901 the beginnings of the western interpretation of the 4 elements was championed by Empedocles circa 450BC. The oldest example of Egyptian examples of the 4 elements that I can find is written during the Hellenistic or Roman period, roughly 350BC-20AD. Compared to the 5 elementals theory in Eastern philosophy said to have started somewhere between 770-460BC. This is also a key difference. The Western *ideas* of Elements has been around for longer, but in terms of empirical theories that document their supposed interactions? The Eastern philosophy is older

Next book will be about the different balls of dragons, and then yogurt cards.. I hate this Con based class is stupidbroken, and it doesn't make sense for a kineticist

@thrawn82

Жыл бұрын

Did you know the kineticist class in pf1e was con based?

@Midgaardsormen

Жыл бұрын

@@thrawn82 yes, but that doesn't make it a good idea

@thrawn82

Жыл бұрын

@@Midgaardsormen Maybe not, but it does make it make sense for a new kineticist to be con based, because they always were.

@BakerLegate-zh6bh

11 ай бұрын

Wahwahwah, muh yogurt.

Wood and Metal are not good elements for pf2e. From lore, to concept. Instead they should had made them sub-elements options for earth, maybe through feats and stuff