I was on 41 and took part in this film. Great to see my old squadron mates back in the day when we were young. Unforgettable days.

@macbrack04

4 жыл бұрын

Me too.....my efforts got snipped though....remember 'comments' re length of hair of actors becoming beef in crew room...

@garryharriman7349

3 жыл бұрын

That's wonderful, Michael.

@normalwisdom4048

Жыл бұрын

*The F/Sgt used to be the Head Teacher in Grange Hill & His Boss was The Boss in The Bill!*

@davidmuir6849

10 ай бұрын

@@normalwisdom4048 Ah ….,,that’s where I’ve seen them before . This clip transported me back to my Raf days ,thanks . Regards Dave Ex sooty Raf leuchars in the 80s

@terrymacaskill6512

9 ай бұрын

Was he not in "auf wiedersehen pet" as the site manager in series 1 as well??

I was the pilot of XV431 on Friday 11th October 1974 . It was a very close shave but a long story. When I have time I will comment if anyone is interested.

@CAVALIERKNIGHT33

4 жыл бұрын

I heard that yourself or the navigator became intrigued by the legal system when the 'accident' was investigated and that one of you became a solicitor as a consequence. Were you banned from flying Phantoms afterwards? I love intrigue!

@raymondpilley2971

4 жыл бұрын

CAVALIERKNIGHT33 Absolutely not . I continued to fly the F4 after the statutory 12 weeks for recovering from crush fractures. After that I instructed on the Gnat and took the first Hawk course. It was hypertension that threatened my flying category and the reason for changing careers to become a solicitor . Happy days.

@mattrika4874

4 жыл бұрын

Please comment Sir, always interested to hear the customers point of view - ex SAR Boy.

@allybally0021

3 жыл бұрын

@@raymondpilley2971 ....practicing law rarely helps hypertension...however it doesnt take an inch off your height courtesy of Martin Baker. The first Hawk course....lovely sports car.

@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM

Жыл бұрын

If you have time. It would be nice to hear about your story. Also, have you not considered going on @Aircrew Interview?

Found this video quite by chance. I was working that day and saw the aeroplane crash on or around midday. I was A Mech A at the time and just arrived at Bruggen. That sunny September lunchtime me and my mate Mick G were working on Station Flight and just heading for lunch at the mess. Couldn't see the aeroplanes on the takeoff roll as they were hidden by the revetments. Just as we turned the corner heard two distinct bangs, looked over my shoulder to see the two seats go out and the aeroplane sitting on its backside pirouetting like a drunken ballerina. Raymond, so pleased you and your Nav got out.

In my own view......THE most beautiful aircraft of it's era (and type). When I was a kid I spent a week with the Air Cadets at RAF Wattisham (74 Squadron), and RAF Wildenrath (can't remember what Sqn, but it was another Air Defence Phantom Squadron. Absolutely amazing to get up close to these beautiful beasts of the Cold War! Great shame when they were retired!

@christopherrobinson7541

9 ай бұрын

I was on the team that bought the F4Js for 74 Sqn.

I was a docs controller on a busy Jaguar line. When I started, I was asked to conform to the Unit's traditional practice of clearing Fs700, to release aircraft as fit to fly, based purely on "We've sorted it" phone calls from Rects teams in the 2nd Line hangar, some distance away. I told them 'no way,' putting me at odds with the Line Flight Sergeant and J Eng O, who both tried to browbeat me. I wouldn't budge. Eventually, I had a 1:1 with the S Eng O, who tried more subtle but inneffective persuasion, including a 3-week move to the hangar to work with the Rects team. Following that, he was NOT amused when I told him, "STILL no way, SIR." Mercifully, I was posted soon afterwards, when my random Gen App request, (one submitted each Monday fortnight, to ensure the previous one was being processed), bore fruit, and I got away. I learned life ain't always easy for a pedantic tw@t, but sometimes it's necessary.... 🤔

Trevor Eve looking like a dashing young RAF Jonny! And Grange Hills Mr Branson as miserable as ever! Lol

@ScrotusXL

3 жыл бұрын

Just realised blinking spoll chocker changed it to Branson.. it was Mr Bronson!!!🤣

@paulmaggs3212

2 жыл бұрын

He needs a hair cut tho!

@TarnishUK

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering if that was Mr B.

@johnp8131

9 ай бұрын

Indeed, pre "Shoestring" too. I remember a lot of us had hair that length or longer back then. I got away with it for years in bomb dumps and on EOD, we never saw a "Zob" or the SWO.

Great to see phantoms, rolling down the runway. When I was at Leuchars. I got to witness a survival scramble of about 50 phantoms. 111, 43 and a Squadron from another base, all doing the scramble, 2 at a time. Awesomely noisy.

@robertodeleon-gonzalez9844

2 жыл бұрын

Please forgive my ignorance - what is a survival scramble and why was it needed?

@dococh62

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertodeleon-gonzalez9844 A survival scramble was done if the base was about to be attacked. all the jets scrambled to another base. It was awesome to witness, the noise of that many jets on the go at one time. The whole ground was shaking.

@robertodeleon-gonzalez9844

2 жыл бұрын

@@dococh62 I see. Thank you for clearing that up.

A good friend was the Ch Tech who cleared the 700, not the rects controller portrayed in the film. My friend was court-martialled but was not considered liable for blame. The Ch Tech portrayed acted nothing like my friend, any other Chiefs I knew or myself. If anything it would have been me making a job card entry or raising one as a matter of routine rather than rubbishing the SENGOs suggestion. I can’t imagine not documenting something like an unlocked wing, especially by the guys doing the job. Obviously lots of procedural issues, as was concluded. A great film though, very accurate although haranguing the guys changing the lox pack wouldn’t have happened, if it did, I suspect there would have been ‘another lox pack issue’ and he may have not got airborne that day! I and many others really did have hair like that in those days - I don’t now!

@billb7876

Ай бұрын

Always made me laugh when an officer said "That aircraft will fly" ??? I think most of us Techies took that as a challenge to not fly lol

These RAF flight safety film archives are wonderful. However, all of us ex RAF know that if a CT was given a directive by the SENGO, it would not be open for discusion!

@barbaraannecortina7899

3 жыл бұрын

For those who WEREN'T in the air force, can you explain what a CT was and who was the SENGO? You can't just go quoting RAF jargon when some youtubers may not have BEEN in the RAF, that's just wrong.

@garryharriman7349

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, I am sorry. CT, Chief Technician. SENGO. Senior Engineering Officer. Please forgiven my abhorrent behaviour. 😢😢

@paulmaggs3212

2 жыл бұрын

Good to get the real picture!

@evilunclepaul8850

9 ай бұрын

@@garryharriman7349 You bastard.😉

I remember being shown this film whilst at RAF Halton as an apprentice sometime between '75 and '78. I didn't know it was now in the public domain but it definitely brings back memories....

I found this information: Another Flight Safety film with people off the TV was ‘Oversight’ (1976), with Trevor Eve as a Phantom Pilot and Michael Sheard (who was Mr Bronson in Grange Hill), as an overloaded C/T.

@michaelevans205

4 жыл бұрын

And was that a young Sean Bean?

@twds01

3 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Bulloch played the Sgt. He most famously played Bobba Fett in the Starwars movies and Smithers ( Q’s assistant), in the Roger Moore Bond films.

@bugler75

2 жыл бұрын

And Michael Sherd played an Imperial Officer who gets strangled by Darth Vader in The Empire Strikes Back too 👍🏼

@meertenwelleman6249

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

@saintuk70

9 ай бұрын

@@twds01 Sheard and Bulloch were both in Empire, with Sheard as Admiral Ozzel.

Cracking film of the golden days of yesteryear, Trevor Eve was a young good looking chap but needed a bloody good haircut.....😀

Thanks for uploading this video. As a civilian I found it very interesting. Its a very tight and well made film and I appreciate the procedural, behavioural and technical elements that it covered. It has also generated some fine comments. Much respect.

RAF Coningsby.... Certainly glad i found this ....First thing ..the station barber must have been on sick leave😂 it was interesting to see XV 401/402/499 As i had worked on these when they were 54 sqd Phantoms..Fitted many a 28lb practice bomb and cranked a fed 1000 rounds into the su gun { lovely place Deci } This brought back so many memories . AP700 signed so many times .....anyone out there from the line hut ....54 SQD,,,

@robertridley-fj8zz

Жыл бұрын

Isn't that Trevor Eve with the particularly shaggy hair, probably a rider for appearing, what with his impending stargom.

@125brat

28 күн бұрын

F700, not AP700 😁

At 08:09 appears a German Luftwaffe NCO with badges from Aufklärungsgeschwader 51 'Immelmann' and can later be seen working alongside his R.A.F. comrade on the wing bolt. The Bremgarten-based Geschwader was introducing the RF4-E early inthe 1970ies. So maybe he had been on a familiarization exchange while this was filmed.

@wirdy1

9 ай бұрын

On detachment to foreign bases, badges, patches & rank slides were swapped all the time. Those were just trophies bring worn by the raf guy & mean nothing much.

@dfolt

9 ай бұрын

@@wirdy1 You may be right regarding squadron exchanges etc., and one of the F-4s is even carrying the owl badge of AG 51 "I" next to the R.A.F. markings. The NCO I was referring to however, is definitely wearing German Luftwaffe rank insignia on his overall.

@Slug24

9 ай бұрын

He also has Norwegian air force 717 and 336 squadron patches on his chest and shoulder.

I can see why Mr Bronson took up teaching 😂

@dan8031

9 ай бұрын

Flying was for him, RAF, Star Wars so classroom so off to the classroom

Was that a young Cpl Bob O’Neil ? Was on 29 with him in the early ‘80’s, earned his third by then. Great to see a few old faces on there.

when i was in lossiemouth flying the sebcat jaguar, we used to see phantoms from time to time.

I was wondering about the Bundeswehr guy from AG51. Also you could see the Owl patch from AG51 and also some F-104 Starfighters lined up (6x). Now after having read that 41 Sqn task was recce it makes sense to me... Great video, tnx for sharing.

@norbertgrass3284

2 жыл бұрын

And also there was a Aufklärungsgeschwader 52 (AG52) logo (Black Panther) shown in one sequence...

Ahhh... Mr Bronson.... or 07:31 "We have thousands of probe droids searching the galaxy. I want proof, not leads." Admiral Ozzel

10:25, surely Jennings did the right thing. He found a leak and wasn't sure so asked the desk. To make him feel and look like an idiot will only make him more reluctant to report a suspicion next time.

@bac1111967

10 ай бұрын

I'd say so.

@millycarrington

10 ай бұрын

I'm ex F4 (228 OCU), all the new FLMs (Flight Line Mechanics) would undergo training / testing and authorisation before being allowed to service the jet. They would be well aware of the difference between Hyd oil (OM15) and fuel (F34) so I think that bit is for 'artistic effect'. If they were still under training then they would have had a supervisor/trainer with them.

Am surprised that my uncle Frank Spencer (ex R.A.F.) didn't appear in this. I think at one point he was being considered for pilot training, but had a problem with the aptitude test as he was under a lot of stress at that time. And apparently the selection officer was rather rude to him, which didn't help uncle Frank's nerves. Am sure he would have become a fantastic fast jet pilot, as he knew all the call signs that pilots use. Romeo, Foxtrot, Tango, over and out.

@garryharriman7349

3 жыл бұрын

Was he married to a girl called Betty?

@magna4100

2 жыл бұрын

@@garryharriman7349 I think he "had a bit of trouble," He did get to fly through. In a Cessna at Cranfield. Blue skies, Frank...

@MrCarcass1978

11 ай бұрын

​@@garryharriman7349😂🇬🇧❤️

@annoyingbstard9407

9 ай бұрын

He does still have his RAF braces I’m pleased to report.

@liverpoolscottish6430

9 ай бұрын

Did Uncle Frank like roller skating per chance? Drive a white Mini? ;)

Takes me back to RAF MPA, 4 months away from family, some great lads to work with, always had a laugh.

amazed to read the comments and hear from multiple parties first hand accounts of the incident depicted. living history! fascinating!

Good stuff! One link in a long chain of events, so common in aircraft mishaps…

Bottom line is its the Jockey's responsibility, a bloody great Red tell tale sticking out of a low wing, and nobody noticed ! and no cockpit indication !! 😂

@PathfinderMan123

9 ай бұрын

At the time of the accident, the warning flags weren't painted dayglow orange, but the same grey as the wing colour around it - which when in a rush and under pressure to get launched, on a grey day meant, they could be easily be missed. If the MOD hadn't spent all that extra money to have the hydraulics for the wing fold removed (from XV411 I think) this accident may not have happened

All Actors ...The Chief Technician played The Foreman on "Auf Wiedersehen Pet "

@Trevor_Austin

3 жыл бұрын

Who spotted Eddy Shoestring?

@janwitts2688

3 жыл бұрын

Also played the head teacher at Grange hill and a character in a Tom Baker Dr who

@kevingould6725

2 жыл бұрын

Not all actors the rigger corporal was a RAF weapons SNCO . He had a speaking part .

@Biggles2498

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevingould6725 I stand corrected Old Boy.

@rickhirons2409

Жыл бұрын

@@kevingould6725 Bob O’Neil IIRC

Just happened to come across this video. Spotted Pete Dunlop (RIP). My ex boss on 31 Tonka's Bruggen mid 80s. Gentlemen first Officer second.

I remember watching this during training; I joined up in 76, so this was one of the many we were shown. Anyone remember the one set in Belize? Apparently it was shown without comment to a group of new recruits, several of whom wanted to leave the RAF afterwards....lol.

The Demon Headmaster and Shoestring acting in this.

@hackdaniels7253

3 жыл бұрын

Mr Bronson.

This is a true story of course, but as an ex RAF engineering technician, if the SENGO had concerns about the recording/documentation of SI's carried out, it doesn't seem plausible to me that he'd be bringing up the matter with the crew Chief. If he wanted to effect a solution or determine a set policy on the problem, then he would most likely discuss the issue with the JENGO and the WO engineer, and possibly even the Flight Sergeants in charge of each shift. And then the crew Chief and everyone else would have to comply with the new policy whether they liked it or not.

@sambaxter3441

4 жыл бұрын

Which was part of the point in making these films, awareness and education.

@raymondpilley2971

4 жыл бұрын

The truth was that it was the 31 Squadron Engineering Officer Del Williams who expressed concern. He was absolutely mortified when he saw what he predicted had come to pass

@typhoon2827

9 ай бұрын

Of course in the RAF of 2023 SENGO's initial concern would be the ethnicity and sexuality of Mr Bronson before asking him to do something to enhance the safety of the aircrew and the aircraft without upsetting him.

10 years in RAF SNCO Every sengo I ever met would arrive on a Sqn with a proven , tried and tested Eng control system, but they all wanted to change it to their way,, all theory & little practical,, like the prat who reorganised the Hangar ~ and blocked off the Fire Lane,, 🔥 ,, or the clown who demanded that a 4 man hour job would obviously be faster if 4 men were on it, instead of just one , never mind there was only space for one hand in the access panel,,, or the one who had a speach impediment & was incoherent when pressure was on 😂😂 I could go on 😂😊

@christopherrobinson7541

9 ай бұрын

I was the SEngO on 29 Sqn at RAF Coningsby , I was a ranker and started as an apprentice on Air Radar. When I took over I had a meeting with my WO, a Flight Sergeant, a USM Lieutenant (on exchange) and a handful of specialist Chief Techs. I had arranged a Friday stand-down at lunchtime where we would join the other NCO's and the rest of the Squadron, including the aircrew for a piss-up. I split the group into four with about five to six in each group, at random. The task was to report what worked, what did not work and what (if) needed changing. Also at random one member from each team made a short presentation of the findings of each group. The result was that things had been previously well run and generally not much needed fixing. My time on the Squadron was very short, the Wing Co Eng went a little strange at I was acting for about 6 months, but that is another story.

@andyb.1026

9 ай бұрын

@@christopherrobinson7541 Hi Chris, a good common sense approach ,, if only more of your colleagues did the same

Not surprising things went tits--up: you've got a load of actors trying to run things. Trevor Eve with a suspiciously non-regulation haircut & Michael Sheard pre-Grange Hill (plus, other familiar faces).

Abs fantastic vid

I have the book of the 1980's documentary "Fighter Pilot" following the training of new recruits from beginning to end, it mentions in there one of the instructors that tried to take off without the Phantom's wings locked down, I wonder if this is based on that.

I love the critics in comments, from those who are actually ex service and were there. If you think this is bad did any of you see the ITV pilot film called Strike force filmed at Leeming in the 1990's featuring the Tornado F3, both base and aircraft being state of the art at the time. No wonder it didn't go into a TV series. There is one grain of truth in the script, a couple on the flightline servicing a jet, one saying to the other "you'd never get me up in one of these, not one you've serviced." How on earth the MOD authorised this production to be shown to the public is worrying.

@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM

Жыл бұрын

Aye, I remember that. I 1st heard about it at the RAF Leeming Air Fair. Before it aired. It's a shame it never took off (so to speak 😉).

@keiko909

11 ай бұрын

yes i remember that showing. it was on ITV around 93 or 94

@keithtruscott992

8 ай бұрын

It was worrying when they failed to spot a jet had no engines fitted

Flying Officer Eddie Shoestring.

Surprised by how long the pilots' hair is in some cases.

It's Bronson from Grange Hill.

Is the chief Mr bronson from Grange Hill?

I am sure Flt Lt Fletcher was on 230 puma squadron around 1986.

So there was a R eng fail followed by a loss of hyd press on the L? Any Phantom techs or aircrew available to amplify why it was an immediate ejection based on a guage reading? Or was it a case of the jet becoming immediately unflyable?

@martinconnelly1473

2 жыл бұрын

No hydraulics from the RH, no hydraulics from the LH, the ram air turbine was electricity only. So no hydraulics for the flight controls - get out quick

BRITS.VERY CHARMING

A very young Trevor Eve as the F4 pilot?

@Mr_Reaper

4 жыл бұрын

Thought it was him.... :)

@dickiemcvitie1752

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Cromey Think the RAF / MoD used actors in a few of their safety information films in that time. I remember a film about a Harrier pilot who was played by a well known actor during the 70’s and 80’s but his name escapes me.

@alzyerpal-TV

4 жыл бұрын

Must have made it on a 'Shoestring' budget then...😄

@richardvernon317

4 жыл бұрын

@@dickiemcvitie1752 Richard O'Sullivan was the actor in question. If memory serves a couple of the 1970's Flight Safety films had the Brigadier out of Doctor Who play somebody based on Wing Commander Spey.

@smudger746

3 жыл бұрын

I remember an army training video with a very young David Jason as a soldier 😂

looks like a film about the dangers of taking off in an unsafe jet

16:43 - "Is this 499?" - "That's the one, I suppose you want a pen again do you?" Signing the 700 has not changed.

@bac1111967

3 ай бұрын

God knows what you are on about clarify or delete please

@PengPengPengPengPengPeng

3 ай бұрын

@@bac1111967 no pilot ever has a pen on him/her when they go to sign for the aircraft. Personally I get asked this every single time by the engineering lineys.

@PengPengPengPengPengPeng

3 ай бұрын

What a highly aggressive response...!

Roger Waters must be very proud about directing this film.

I remember this film from my days in training in 1979, and I didn’t recognise any of the actors at that time, now in 2022 most of them I recognise but not there names, only Trevor Eve as Flt Lt Fletcher flying 499. The whole Sqn in this was a mess, nothing like reality, just completely unrealistic of course, but that was the point, it made you stop and think about Flt safety.

Eddy Shoestring!

I was 4 and had nothing to do with it.

Ironically they used this featuring on a documentary about the F-4 without the accident part of course.

Trevor eve at 1:42.

Great Video! But whats about the crew? Did they realize the fatal situation fast enought to bail out? Hope so...

@raymondpilley2971

4 жыл бұрын

Only just thank you. The Mk 7a seat

@swampeh

3 жыл бұрын

@@raymondpilley2971 And of course the Armourer's for fitting it... I hope the traditional keg/slab of beer was upheld :-)

The British Spey-powered Phantoms had more powerful engines than their J-79 powered counterparts, yet were not faster than these. Did they have superior climb and acceleration?

@gordonbain5411

4 жыл бұрын

Also limited to around 38000 feet too in reheat.

@scottmaclean1248

4 жыл бұрын

The Speys were better at low-level than the J79s, but not at altitude. Some of that was in part to the fact that the Spey was a physically bigger engine meaning the rear fuselage produced more drag

@benpotter614

3 жыл бұрын

I seem to recall Bill Gunston describing the as 'the most powerful, expensive and slowest Phantoms yet built'! It was political, ....

@andyb.1026

9 ай бұрын

​@benpotter614 and none of the access panels lined up for maintenance,, a real political dog 🐕 🙄

@richardvernon317

9 ай бұрын

@@scottmaclean1248 Main issue was the Compressor Inlet Temperature limits on the Spey were lower than the J-79 and that Rolls Royce put a fuel control limiting system in the engine that chopped fuel flow if the engine over heated, over RPM'ed or over pressured. Gas Turbines don't like supersonic airflow going in at the Compressor face, thus the aircraft had an intake system that uses the interactions of the Sonic shockwaves and duct shape to slow the air down. In doing this it compresses the air and makes it hot. J-79 was allowed to go up to Mach 2 or a CIT of 127 Degrees C for an unlimited period. Any faster and that over temp could be lived with for 5 minutes in any one flight up to a speed of Mach 2.4 (it's in the pilot notes for the USAF F-4C/D/E). The Pilots Notes for the Phantom FG Mk 1 limit the Max speed to Mach 2.1 and a CIT of 122 Degress C..

Super dope

Can’t remember what the fix was, anyone know? I assume it was put on the B/F or pilot walk round.

@PathfinderMan123

9 ай бұрын

The 'warning flags' were painted dayglow orange instead of being the same grey as the wing paint

Are some of these actors Only the pilot at 2:08 looks like Trevor Eve who played Eddie Shoestring in the 80's

@bac1111967

8 ай бұрын

Yes.

@birdman4274

8 ай бұрын

@@bac1111967Yes, Some are actors or that is Trevor Eve ?

That was a young Trevor Eve as the disappointed pilot sent to the SIM!!

Strange that there is no indication in the cockpit as to wether the wings would be locked or not....

@raymondpilley2971

4 жыл бұрын

Richard Stout Richard there were warnings on hydraulic wing fold F4’s, and on the two stickers and the simulator. I have often wondered just how much ‘they’ saved by taking away the hydraulic wing fold system , physically removing the captions, removing the bulb and replacing with, SPARE. Somebody must know. The final paradox was that the Flight Reference Cards only required a check for ‘ wings spread and locked’ on INAS aircraft with the sole purpose of recognising that the INAS could not be aligned with the wings up.

@PathfinderMan123

2 жыл бұрын

When the Phantom was first procured, it came with hydraulic wingfold, albeit operated from a switch in the left wheel well (whereas the F4J-the model the RAF Phantoms was based on, had it in the back cockpit I think) so all the F4K's had it and all the F4M's upto I think XV410, with an indicator on the CWP panel. It was decided that the RAF Phantoms didn't need to have a hydraulically operated one as the hangers had plenty of room to store a squadrons worth of aircraft, so at extra cost per aeroplane it was removed and replaced with a mechanical one which had the wingfold flag that arose from the wing (and was painted the same colour as the wing around it - which was changed to dayglow orange after the accident) and then a square slot to operate the wingfold lock, so there was no indication in the cockpit. Then as it happened the wingfold locking lugs had to be inspected on a regular basis, so if the hydraulics had not been removed this may never have happened

@yan24to

9 ай бұрын

​@@PathfinderMan123Good old money saving ideas 💡 that led to the loss of at least one aircraft.I wonder whose idea that was.

@125brat

28 күн бұрын

​@@yan24toNo doubt someone got a promotion for it, or if they were a civvy probably a bean-counter and got a bonus☹️

non abestos gasket #3

no rainbow flags brilliant

@bac1111967

9 ай бұрын

Love it .... and no pink uniforms!!!!

When did Trevor Eve serve?

@kenstevens5065

2 жыл бұрын

Eddie Shoestring!

who is the "pilot" on 499 and who is the "Chief"??

@bac1111967

2 жыл бұрын

I dont know but the full film is available on Amazon with 3others. I do recognise them but I cant remember any names, Sorry.

If you didn't drop a 28lb bomb how would you remove it from the CBLS claw

@paulsteele4801

3 жыл бұрын

Using a long Tee Bar with a 3/8 square end to disengage the ERU lock after removing the ERU cartridge holder for safety.

@avpinstarter

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulsteele4801 Thanks for that

@avpinstarter

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulsteele4801 Could you tell me the difference between the blue 28lb ers and the green 28lb ers

@paulsteele4801

3 жыл бұрын

@@avpinstarter The so called green 28 pounders were actually 14kg and slimmer and longer than the old blue 28's. There had to be spacers on the ERU jaws to accomodate the difference in size diameter. I think the smoke filling was a different compound to the old 28's. I'm not sure but I think the old blue 28's became obsolete sometime in the 80's and were replaced by the 14kg. I left 12Sqn in 1981 and didn't see another PB until 1987 when I was posted to 208Sqn and they were the green 14kg.

@paulsteele4801

3 жыл бұрын

Forgot to say that the green bombs had a designation blue band around the tail end to denote it was a practice bomb and didn't contain high explosive. If the band was yellow then it would contian HE.

Did the Air crew survive ?

@PathfinderMan123

2 жыл бұрын

Yes both ejected successfully.

Ian, do you have more information about this series Oversight?

@bac1111967

4 жыл бұрын

Is a look back at the role that the American-built McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom played within the RAF during the cold war. Widely regarded as the most successful fighter plane in history, the Phantom entered service with the RAF and Royal Navy in April 1968, as a replacement for the ageing BAC Lightning, following years of distinguished service in the Vietnam war. This title comprises three films: 'Phantom Pilot' (1973) follows the trainee pilots as they progress from basic Chipmunk trainers to become fully qualified Phantom pilots; 'Oversight' (1976) is a training film based on a true story, demonstrating how, through a series of errors, the RAF lost a Phantom; finally, 'Low Flying Training' (1971) follows the training given to navigators to allow them to fly 'under the radar'. It is still availale from Amazon I believe

@meertenwelleman6249

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Ian, and the Phantom is one of the stars of the tv-serie Squadron, which cannot be found anywhere unfortunately.

@meertenwelleman6249

4 жыл бұрын

I've seen the RAF Phantom many times in airshows in Britain en Germany. I don't know if it ever performed on a RNAF Open Day.

@richardvernon317

4 жыл бұрын

@@bac1111967 The Phantom FGR 2 was bought to replace the Hunter (and Canberra) in the Tactical Fighter / Strike / Reconnaissance role. The Phantoms in this film from 41 Squadron being equipped primarily to do the later. The only pure Air Defence Squadron in the RAF using Phantoms in the 1960's and early 1970's were 43 Squadron who were equipped with Phantom FG1's originally ordered for the Royal Navy, who then decided to not take 20 of them when the planned refit of HMS Eagle that would allow it to operate the aircraft was cancelled. The Phantom only started replacing the Lightning in the air defence role in 1975, when the Sepecat Jaguar had started to replaced the Phantom in its original RAF role.

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@bac1111967

3 жыл бұрын

argentina lost - get over it!

Around 4:50. Great to see all that engine pollution in light of today's climate change. For the defense of your grandkids or something....and now turns out they'll all be long dead, starving and shriveling up from drought. How ironic, life on earth hahaha. Let's burn it all.

@bac1111967

2 жыл бұрын

climate change is a myth if you follow the science. Great barrier reef was dying according to climate experts - its grown by 63% this year alone so who is the bullshittersspinning this crap?

@typhoon2827

2 жыл бұрын

Climate change is just a big marketing scam. Always has been.

@mh53j

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, been hearing this climate change crap since the 70s... New York, Washington, Florida and most of the East Coast of the US should have been underwater years ago because of all the " melting ' icebergs. Go peddle your eco-disaster crap elsewhere.

The British Spey-powered Phantoms had more powerful engines than their J-79 powered counterparts, yet were not faster than these. Did they have superior climb and acceleration?

@5sapaches25

4 жыл бұрын

J79 was better at higher altitude above 35,000 feet and better climb and speed. Spey produced more thrust than J79 and was better lower altitude than J79. Both are good jet engines.

@TachyonDriver

4 жыл бұрын

You know what they say about an animal who is "speyed"? The get a bit fatter around the arse and more sluggish.. :D :D

@pascalchauvet7625

4 жыл бұрын

@@TachyonDriver Hahaha not quite correct in fact because the speyed Phantom climbed like a pterosaur :)

The British Spey-powered Phantoms had more powerful engines than their J-79 powered counterparts, yet were not faster than these. Did they have superior climb and acceleration?

@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM

4 жыл бұрын

Have a look at Aircrew interview. There's a British pilot, on 1 of the videos, who goes into detail on the comparisons, among other things.

@FallenPhoenix86

4 жыл бұрын

Long story short they had better performance at low altitude but weren't as hot up high. The added thrust of the Spey was required for safe operation from the Ark Royal and Eagle (though Eagle never got the mods required to deploy them). Fitting the Spey resulted in a redesign of the aft fuselage and this resulted in increased drag, hence more thrust but slower...

@pascalchauvet7625

4 жыл бұрын

@@FallenPhoenix86 OK I undertand but wasn't the superior climb, acceleration, and sustained turning performance of the Spey Variant (coupled with much less smoke), much more important in practice than sheer speed?

@FallenPhoenix86

4 жыл бұрын

@@pascalchauvet7625 Yes and no, the overall speed advantage was fairly marginal even at high alt but acceleration is radically different and more pronounced the higher you go. If I remember right from about 15,000 ft down the Spey powered F-4's were superior across the envelope, however J-79 powered were increasingly superior from 15,000 ft up. The RAF operated a single squadron of ex-USN F-4J's and most of the guys that flew both preferred the J model. If it hadn't been for the need to operate from our smaller carriers I doubt we'd have bothered re-engining them.

@pascalchauvet7625

4 жыл бұрын

@@FallenPhoenix86 Highly interesting thank you