The Ancient Greeks depicted nude gods because that was the most natural state to them. The Romans picked up on that. Christians were opposed to this form of depiction as they thought it was too much like trying to make a mortal seem like a god, and they compared nudity to paganism. That changed during the rise of Humanism in early-modern Europe, where artists in Europe sought to focus art on the individual and the human body rather than on God and Biblical stories. This was when there was a great effort to improve anatomical accuracy and realistic proportions, around the 14-1500s. Partly it was the return to Greco-Roman nudity and a renewed interest in these periods, but also was to do with the focus on the human form. Talented artists wanted to show off their understandings of musculature and so a big baggy robe might ruin the presentation a bit. Other cultures didn't want to improve anatomical accurafy in quite the same way for many reasons. Often in the modern sense its common for people to equate anatomical realism to modernity, and thus 'traditional' arts by other cultures are seen as inferior to Western art. This is not true, primarily because art is subjective, but also because other cultures simply didn't prioritise the human form in the same way. Most of human art is and has been figurative, and so simple realism for realism's sake has been a lot less common. You can see examples of Ancient Egyptian statues that are anatomically accurate to varying extents, or in Japanese woodwork art you can see a direct line of improvement in body proportions from the 1300s to 1900s, especially in the Meiji era, when Western influence came into Japan. Islamic Art especially is a very pure sense of figurative, as for a lot of cultures following Islam, the depiction of the human form is a sin. This isn't all encompassing, as Persian and Ottoman art has even works depicting the prophet himself. A particular branch of Shia islam in Sudan also picked up a style of calligraphy which shaped the verses of the Qur'an to resemble animals, which is beautiful to see. Overall, different cultures see art differently, and many cultures across humanity have focused on the depiction of figuratism rather than direct reality.

definitely the most underrated talents in hololive

@BeatPeet

Ай бұрын

I wouldn't say underrated, seeing how she is the #1 subscribed member of ReGloss. It's just that there are few clippers for the overseas audience when compared to other members. I think part of the reason could be that she is really verbose and uses pretty sophisticated language. For example, I can tune into a Watame, Okayu or Sora stream no problem, because they use pretty easy Japanese and speak at a slow pace. But listening to someone like Raden or Polka, I can feel my head start spinning. So for non-native speaking clippers, it could be a problem.

Translating 曖昧もっこり as "pocket monsters" gave me a chuckle. Thanks as always for your efforts!

Raden's Art Lectures are great

Raden is so animated while talking, even just with 2D. I hope when regloss gets 3D that home 3D is good enough we can see the body language - this clip gives the feeling of gesticulating hands.

I love Raden's energy. The way she is so passionate about classical art from both east and west, and explains it, is a rush of fresh air in not just Hololive but the entire Vtuber world. She clearly has the passion and mentality of an artist, and one can see it in both her energy and her content. I'm really looking forward in how her career as a vtuber will unfold. Who knows? Maybe a Kabuki play in 3D?

It makes more sense when older art, especially European, was more “God’s Body” related, it make a lot of sense but before she said it i never really thought about it, thank you for translating this!

This is something we learned in our art focus-course in highschool when going through the history of western art. It's always nice to see Raden answer questions like this. Especially because it examplifies that art is always a product of its time and historical context, even though it's something people can also appreciate without that context. Although I'm pretty sure she's primarily referring to Renaissance art here. Another aspect there was that the Renaissance was very much inspired by the ancient Romans and Greeks, who had no problems depicting nudity although I don't think it was because they thought of their bodies as a gift from their gods, don't think we actually have a clear idea why it was okay for them aside from their culture just being more open to nudity in general, so the stuff about god was probably more so justification for the broader, more pious audience. As piety waned, iirc that justification shifted from "the human body is god given" more so to something along the lines of "the human body is something divine" as part of some of the human ego-stroking that came about around the Enlightenment.

@MrCantStopTheRobot

Ай бұрын

The Greeks viewed a strong body as beautiful, and they forbade tattoos because it was like placing a blemish on something that was already perfect. Sokrates, via Platon, explained that even a Philosopher should test himself physically, lest a man "never know the power and beauty of his own body." There was definitely a conflation of a well-formed and fit, healthy body with the divine, in Antiquity. And conversely anyone born with a defect, or having lost a limb even in honorable battle, was assumed to be cursed, and someone to avoid, lest the Gods assume you're trying to interfere with their punishment. I am too lazy to look up the specific Dialogues where that is written though... XD

Since its context is art, what she said is correct. I heavily agree on the GAP of values from the past and present. Heres a glimpse of whats going on in the head of a person who graduated B.A fine arts. When drawing a naked person, you dont see a naked person or part of this person/subject but you see lines and shapes. Simple put, its a bit of a curse. Ofcourse there are exceptions. And daaang i love raden

@Seele.mp3

Ай бұрын

I don't know if there is a gap of values (if we're talking European antiquity and European present). Since it's European art and we we as European don't really have a problem with nudity in general, as long as it's the appropriate time and place (i.e. don't be naked at work). You can be naked at the beach, at the sea, during festivals, in the bath, in your garden, in public baths, and so on. It's just a body like anyone else has, not sure what there is to be ashamed of nor what there is to be worthy of worshipping (Referring to the American discourse on this subject). Born naked, die naked, live naked. Nothing special nor not special about it because it's just life.

Wow I’m learning

Being able to realistically depict naked bodies is always important to artists, no matter what time period, because it's invaluable for making realistic sketches/poses. If you can't draw a body with realistic skeleton and musculature proportions, you are not a complete artist. It's that simple, no matter what "seiso" people might think. This is why art will always revolve around naked bodies.

@Meonium

Ай бұрын

As an exclusively chibi-only artist who can't draw normal body proportion, this's insulting & I 100% agreed with your comment lol

Thank you for the translation!! I always look forward to your videos Raden is so interesting, I just wish I could understand her better. She talks so fast!!

ohhh ive been wondering for that question a long time ago. never thought a vtuber would give me the answers

One thing that is really interesting is looking at the relationship between the development of porn and the crackdown on nudity in art. Like there was some tension between artists and the church about all the nudity early on in the Renaissance(and really as long as christianity has been popular it has been at least somewhat anti-nudity), but they didn't do too much about it besides complain. The strict rules about it started to show up in the 16th-17th centuries at suspiciously the exact same time that the porn printing scene starting growing extremely quickly. Makes a lot of sense that you wouldn't bother to limit the production of art with nudity if only a few rich people are likely to see that art.

Art :D

whenever i hear suponpon (?) i always remember anya from spy family goes to museum 😆

Wait wait wait ...am I understanding that 'pocket monster' is a nicer way of referring to a dude's junk in Japan? I am absolutely amused if this is the case.

@Raden_Art_Class

23 күн бұрын

Thanks for your comment. In Japan, pocket monster is not a term for male genitalia. raden uses a Japanese meme expression for male genitalia, and I could not convey it as it is in English. I have heard that in the U.S. the meme expression for male genitalia is pocket monster, so I wrote pocket monster in translation. If you are an American and do not use this expression, then you are mistranslating.

If any of those nude artworks ever come to my country, a certain religious group will demonstrate & asked the statue to be covered with cloth... Either that or they'll resort to vandalism 🤷