Quick Tip: .44 Magnum vs .45 Long Colt
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They are two of the most popular revolver cartridges of all time, and today Brownells Gun Tech™ Steve Ostrem does a quick compare-and-contrast of the .44 Magnum and .45 Long Colt. The .45 LC debuted in the 1870s, when the steel used in revolvers was much weaker than modern steel, so it's a low-pressure cartridge. The .44 Magnum was developed in the 1950s specifically for hunting, and stronger modern gun steels meant revolvers could be built to handle its much greater pressures. Full-power commercial .44 Magnum ammunition tends to be easier to find. The .45 Colt you find at the gun store is loaded mildly so folks don't blow up their vintage Colt Single Action Army revolvers! If you're a handloader and have a strong modern revolver, like a Ruger Blackhawk or Redhawk, chambered in .45 Long Colt, you can load up "hot" ammo for it that generates pressures matching - or even exceeding - the .44 Magnum. BOTH cartridges are great for handloading because they have straight-wall cases and can handle a wide variety of powders and bullet weights. Dies, brass, and bullets are readily available for both. If you're not a handloader but want a hunting revolver, .44 Magnum is the better choice, as there's more FULL-power factory ammo available.
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I think Steve's favorite is the .44mag since the video was 4:29 long and .429 is .44mag bullet diameter.
@johnmills837
2 жыл бұрын
Really is a 42 caliber
@tangobravo8889
Жыл бұрын
Now there is a thinking man that pays attention 👍
@johnrisher3007
Жыл бұрын
Dang brother that's thinking really deep 😮
@jordankane2606
6 ай бұрын
Can some one get this man a raise?!
@johnmccreary9381
5 ай бұрын
@@johnmills837 43 but whose counting
I love the versatility of the 45 long colt, maybe it’s a bit nostalgia, but I love loading for everything from cowboy loads up to the self defense and hunting loads for my lever actions!
@bgiardi
2 жыл бұрын
I couldn't said it better!!
@Ash_95
2 жыл бұрын
Agreed, well said.
@TheBGjosh
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with the nostalgia, I've been watching a lot of old westerns and want to buy a 45lc single action. I own a heritage rough rider 22lr single action revolver and that's a fun little firearm. I bought my mom one for her first handgun. I'd recommend one if you're into 22lr and you can also switch out the cylinder to shoot 22 wmr
@matthewspade6682
2 жыл бұрын
@@TheBGjosh I have a Ruger Super Single six, which is just like your Heritage! They are great fun to shoot!
@michaelbooher339
2 жыл бұрын
I have a Ruger Vaquero, color case hardened finish in .45LC. Damn accurate and fun to shoot.
I’ve been reloading.44 Magnum since I was 18 years old and using a S&W model 29 with an 8 3:8” barrel since then. I’m almost 64 years old now, and still love this caliber and the model 29.
@michaellinner7772
2 жыл бұрын
I agree with almost everything except I prefer the model 586/686 as it dampens the recoil a little bit better.
@scottbaldwin1439
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaellinner7772 These models you mentioned are both of a .357 magnum caliber, which are great handguns, but don’t seem to pertain to this particular subject of.45 long colt vs. 44 magnum.
@michaellinner7772
2 жыл бұрын
@@scottbaldwin1439 yup, sorry I meant the 629.
@scottbaldwin1439
2 жыл бұрын
@@michaellinner7772 Yes. That’s a fine model also. A lot less worry with rust issues with them. I have friends who own them and they’re a fine firearm. But the .357’s you mentioned are also. S&W revolvers ate all fine firearms in my opinion.
@michaellinner7772
2 жыл бұрын
@@scottbaldwin1439 yeah, I got a little confused because I also have the .357 and it shoots and feels just like the .44. I agree about Smith and Wesson. They are by far my favorite revolvers on the planet. Even the cylinder release is perfectly shaped for my thumb and the quality is second to none.
Both great calibers, reloading makes the 45 colt a powerful round that has always been my favorite.
The .45 Colt was develpoed to be a combat round and still does an excellent job of that, especially with modern ammo. The .44 mag was developed to be a hunting round and is still useful for that.
@Simon-talks
Жыл бұрын
I thought the .44 magnum was developed for Dirty Harry.
@bobjohnson1633
Жыл бұрын
Detective Callahan used 44 special loads.
@justadutchman5169
Жыл бұрын
😂🤣
@Nerotique
Жыл бұрын
I guess the question you need to ask yourself is, do you feel lucky? Well, do you, punk?
@Tunkkis
Жыл бұрын
@@bobjohnson1633Did he now? I've neither heard anyone else claim that.
A fellow cop was hit in the upper chest w/a .45 Long Colt round and told me it felt like being slammed in the chest w/a telephone pole.
I love the fact that 44 mag off the shelf ammo is full powered and any gun chambered for 44 mag is capable of handling full power ammo. No chance of accidentally putting the hot load in the weak gun. If I want gentle, low recoil loads, I just go with some specials. Its also easy to keep my hot and mild loads separate just by looking at case length.
@inhumanfilth681
2 жыл бұрын
Right thats a good point on case length. I hand load so no need to buy specials but i gotta keep everything labeled real good so no one accidentally smacks themselves in the face from unexpected recoil
@darrellgoodman9585
2 жыл бұрын
Feel the same way and i love my Ruger Redhawk and i have the brass to reload both specials and magnums .
@Grooove_e
Жыл бұрын
I'd say every thing except for Buffalo Bore Hard Cast 350gr +P+ in .44 magnum. Even Buffalo bore says only shoot that through Ruger Super Blackhawk, Ruger Super Redhawk, or Taurus Raging bull. Apparently that 350gr lead slug moves out at over 1500 fps.
@stevenp8198
4 ай бұрын
@@Grooove_e it wont go 1500+ fps out of a revolver! the best you can hope for at that bbl length is around 1300 fps!
@Grooove_e
4 ай бұрын
@@stevenp8198 good point, on their website they rate it at 1425 fps out of 7.5 inch barrel
My dad had a .45 LC and as a kid I thought it packed a wallop. But as I got older, I came to prefer the .44Mag. There’s a lot of cartridges more powerful now, but for me and what I need, the .44 is enough. The availability of ammo is a major factor for me. Thank you for a great video!
@bobjohnson1633
Жыл бұрын
I love target shooting my shirt barrel 500S&W, but I don't find it relevant where the 44 is not.
@nickleback3695
Жыл бұрын
A .45 with hot modern ammo packs just as much whallop as a .44 mag
@edt8535
Жыл бұрын
@@nickleback3695 …yes siree Jim Bob-I agree whole heartedly
Probably the best shooting video ever made. An amazing amount of content in four and a half minutes, no ads, no bs, no needless shooting demos, and no obnoxious music. It extended into the comments with knowledgeable shooters respectfully stating opinions and experience. Thank you all.
They are both wonderful! I have the early model Ruger redhawk .45 colt. I can do anything I want with it, up or down the spectrum and I can cast 300 grain bullets from wheel weights which make a formidable impact. One son shoots an 1873 and loads 252 grain semi wadcutters to standard 45 colt power. Another son has a redhawk blued in 44mag and I've loaded heavy hard cast for him but he can also throw factory 44 special rounds in it for still a highly effective result. He also has a Marlin cowboy in 44. And my brother has the same redhawk 44 in stainless. And I can throw any of my 45 colt loads into my Marlin cowboy. So which is the best? They are both good and can do just about anything you need them to do!
The 45 Colt has been with us since 1873.
OH NO...he said LONG COLT. Brake out the wet noodle for his beating.😆
@marktwain2053
Ай бұрын
That was the Army Ordinance designation in the early 1880s.
@Crusader634
Ай бұрын
Is it not normally called .45 Long Colt?
I prefer the 44 simply because I got into it first and have the most knowledge and experience with it. Taken quite a few deer with 44 mag too, does a great job. My 45 Colt is a heck of a lot of fun to shoot though. Love and reload them both. Variety is good.
I love the venerable .45 Colt, a real pleasure to shoot.
I bought my first Ruger Blackhawk in 1968, I chose .41 magnum, in my opinion it is the round that provides the most versatility. I still load and shoot it today. A cross draw holster keeps it concealed and yet very accessible for an EDC.
I love them both across the full spectrum of their potential in appropriate revolvers.Linebaugh isn’t a poet by any means, but his writings are very informed and interesting. I also agree with his assessment that basically says “if you think you need more than 1300 fps, you really need a bigger chunk of lead.”
Interesting bringing this topic up. Forty years ago I was loading for my Ruger Blackhawk 4 5/8 barrel with 296 ball powder and 250 grain JHP that cronoed hotter than the 44 magnum factory 240 grain loads Anyone who wants and as long as your firearm can handle it, look at Buffalo Bore +P 45 LC. One amazing round
If you handload, the .45 Colt is a great choice and my personal favorite between the two.
I think they are both pretty good, and there is not much the one will do that the other wont. I actually prefer the .45 colt to a degree because its more manageable recoil. When hand loaded the 45 colt stands up to the 44 mag pretty well. I would feel well armed with either one, although i get much quicker, more accurate follow up shots with the 45 colt.
Another great explanation. I appreciate these videos more than can be put into words.
My favorite is the .44 Magnum. I'm not patient enough to handload and I hsve been able to find hot loads easier than hot .45, plus I've found some less punishing practice loads in both magnum and .44 Special for less money than the .45s.
Outstanding video, a bit of history and some practical knowledge.
VERY good video! Concise, informative, well spoken! You told exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for posting!
I would LOVE to see .45 LC come back into popularity among revolver enthusiasts and see a few more aside from charter making a 3" carry model!
@bobjohnson1633
Жыл бұрын
Taurus used to make the 450 model. I have an aluminum frame 45lc snubby. It a tracker frame, so its basically a 686 chambered in 45lc. You could conceal the 4" redhawk if you wanted and it handles magnum level loads
44 for me. Got a New Model Super Blackhawk for my 17th Birthday is why. At 60 I just got a Henry Big Boy to match it.
Have both and love both some of the most satisfying shooting and just plain fun to use and hand load, enjoy!!!
Great video Steve, I’ve read John Linebaughs article about his smith model 25-5. I’ve tried his loads myself in my model 25. They are pretty much ruger loads but my gun handles them fine with no excess pressure signs at all. 260 grain Keith with 26 grains of h-110 does bite your hand however ! I have several model 29s and super blackhawk as well but I’m in love with the 45 colt !
Thanks Steve, good, informative videos.
LOVE your Vids!!!! Very professional and very precise!!!!!
I like the 45 Colt, just a wonderful round and a ton of history!
The 45 Colt is my favorite ca'tridge! And yes I'm a hand loader! I absolutely love my Ruger Vaquero in 45 Colt!
@gregsmith7828
5 ай бұрын
the blackhawk has a thicker frame
Love my 45lc .... Got a couple. Load with 200g lead bullets, same as I use in my 45 ACP reloads
They're both excellent in the always fun lever guns too!
I have several guns in both calibers. I like them both. Never was one for super hot loads especially in 45’s. The cases wear out fast for one thing. When I shot cowboy action I preferred 44 mags loaded to light specials. The cases last forever and if I accidentally loaded a double load, I just had a 44 mag and the gun didn’t blow up. Never did that btw but it was good and cheap insurance.
I enjoy your videos. A lot of good information thanks 👍 !
Thanks again Steve ! 🤗
Both are too fun to shoot to point to a favorite.
this was fantastic, thank you!
For the strong firearms which are available in exact same material and configuration in both 44Mag and 45 Colt; such as Marlin 1894, I use the hotter 45 Colt rounds as the power needs because that is what I already have. Same with my 45 Colt Ruger older version Vaqueros. Great utility.
@DrLanceFarr
2 жыл бұрын
I bought a Ruger 45 convertible about 40 years ago. It still pounds out the heavy stuff like a champ. Lots of fun!
My first center fire handgun experience was a 44 magnum. I’ve been loading and shooting 44’s for over 40 years. Are there other handgun calibers? If so I guess I never needed them. :)
Again, Steve, another great video!!! I am a cross-over shooter....still remember when LE ONLY carried revolvers and I am a 44 magnum fan from it's inception. I shoot 45 Colt in my New Original Henry and it's like shooting a BB gun, even with hot loads.
@Gronicle1
2 жыл бұрын
I say Yes! Still carry my S&W model 28 in .357 with four inch barrel that I got during VN and carried while I was with CSP in Sacramento. Loaded with hard cast I was ready for Big Foot or bear in the mountains. Could never get the quick and accurate follow up shots in the 44 and 45 caliber guns. Still have grand-father's Colt 32 Police positive in the safe.
Excellence and with so much detailed information. Fun thank you.
I’ve just purchased an old model Ruger Vaquero in stainless steel. This firearm is chambered in .45 Long Colt, as is my Henry Big Boy. I couldn’t be happier. My Ruger is second hand and I’m extremely pleased to mention that the previous owner had taken every step to perfect this fine sidearm.
I chose both. But my go to hunting handgun is a Ruger Super Blackhawk Hunter in .45 Colt. I was able to snag one when they made a run a few years ago. 300 grain bullet on top of a heavy dose of H110 and it does all you would want from a .44 Mag/heavy .45 Colt hunting handgun. Of course my .44 mags are great, but I guess I just love the history of the .45 Colt and who knows what would have happened if Elmer Keith would have had handguns that were capable of higher pressures instead of the SAA in .45 colt and its paper-thin cylinder walls. That is why he loved the .44 Special over the .45 Colt. A little thicker cylinder wall gave him enough strength to really crank up those loads.
.45 Colt was introduced to the US Army in 1872, and was accepted in 1873 (1873 Colt Single Action Army), not the 1880's. It was later referred to as the .45 Long Colt to distinguish from the .45 Schofield, which was a shorter cartridge that would fire in a .45 Colt chambered gun.
@mkshffr4936
11 ай бұрын
Jim Taylor had a short article on this. Likely the LC designation came about to distinguish between the original Colt and the government cartridge which was short like the S&W but with the Colt rim. Even full SAMMI 45 LC loads are pretty good thumpers.
@fjb4932
10 ай бұрын
All three (3) of those that Still shoot the .45 Schofield snicker at the great unwashed believing that the .45 Colt absolutely must be referred to as Long in order to protect an obsolete cartridge. Silly as referring to the .44 RM as .44 Standard Magnum. .45 Colt period. Now, let's git back to shootin' ! ☆
@mkshffr4936
10 ай бұрын
@@fjb4932 Say 45 Colt to a bottom feeder guy and they will think ACP. 😇
Great video TY !
I’ve always loved the 44 Magnum but with ammo scarcity I would suggest it 460, before 60 Smith & Wesson ammunition is a bit ridiculous but you can use 454 cas sue and 45 long coal you can pretty much fire power levels from week 45 ACP all the way up to all my goodness is it sprained or broken. So that would be my choice. Unfortunately they could probably sell 44 magnum‘s for $350 apiece, they’ve been making them for 50 years but they don’t so why not spend an extra $25 get a 460 and have probably the most versatility you can get in a revolver.
I love them both. and I have both. The 45 Colt is a dream to shoot at the range, but can be loaded heavy for medium game. The 44 mag is great for heavier/bigger game. Both are great rounds
Got both in Rugers. Fun guns!
Looking to get a 45LC Single action pistol and a Winchester Lever gun in the same. Haven't taken the plunge into loading yet so ammo is already an issue but really looking to add some western guns into the collection.
THANK YOU, Steve and Brownells for this excellent video; I have long wanted to learn your opinion(s) regarding this very issue, Steve. Furthermore, you solicited our opinions, so here’s mine. I routinely have handy (and occasionally, during the Winter, carry) a Smith 625-9 Mountain Gun, chambered in .45 Colt and loaded with 250 grain Gold Dots. Why? Because, even from a four inch barrel, this fine revolver/cartridge combination provides truly excellent decisive potency. I won’t engage in insoluble debates regarding any - completely marginal - terminal ballistic differences between the foregoing “system” and others. It’s sufficient, however., to indicate that I am VERY confident this .45 Colt, stoked with these Gold Dots, will be entirely adequate (if I place rounds with reasonable accuracy). But there is an additional - and an important - reason (which was not mentioned in the video) that I prefer the 625-9 to .44 magnum Redhawks and 29’s/629’s, for MY needs (I’m not hunting Kodiak Bears, I’m providing lawful defensive protection). I’m pushing 76, I have been shooting for 60+ years, and I know my ability to attain accurate subsequent shots is increasingly recoil limited, Therefore, the more modest .45 Colt recoil is decidedly preferable - for me and for my requirements - than would be a .44 magnum’s. Of course, the .44 Special is another entirely reasonable way to resolve this issue, but I’ve found that .44 Special ammunition is even more difficult to find and more expensive. Okay, one vote for the .45 Colt, for the reasons delineated above.
@mikehagan4320
Жыл бұрын
Gee willickers Roy! What do all those Big words mean? Are you a Sesquipedalian ? Best Wishes! M.H.
I went .45, but the easy button in this dilemma is .44. 300+ gr bullets will sap the .44 of powder capacity, so the .45 pulls ahead there. And the .45 can make you feel better about being a reloader. That's pretty much the sum of its advantages. .44 Magnum has a standardized pressure ceiling, and for the most part you shouldn't need to worry about ammo compatibility. .45 Colt guns exist in several strength classes; if you own an SAA (or clone) and a 5-shot custom, you damn well better keep the ammo segregated. You even need to be cautious if you have a standard Blackhawk and the slightly smaller Vaquero (both Rugers). The same concerns extend to long guns, as well. A .44 Mag will have been proofed at Magnum pressures; there's no such assurance with a .45. And if you take a given platform and chamber it in .45 you will have less steel remaining around the chamber. The .45 can perform well, but you better be mindful of where the mines are buried.
I started loading because I love my super Blackhawk hunter, after picking up several rifles chambered in 44 magnum I’m pretty set in that direction.
I just converted my Uberti 1847 Walker with a Howell conversion cylinder, and it now shoots .45 Long Colts. I keep it on my nightstand, just in case the Boogie Man happens to show up.
Have both and love shooting both
.45 Long Colt is my preference, due to lower recoil, more accurate (possibly due to lower recoil) and my charcoal blued colt 1873 clone with .45acp cylinder and a .22lr conversion too. The .22lr conversion is a barrel sleeve and cylinder machined down to spec and while I primarily use it with .45lc it's nice to have the .22lr for hours of plinking. Even my Rough Rider in .22lr/.22mag is extremely fun but the trigger, hammer and weight of the .45 is one of my favorite things. Now I want to watch the good, the bad and the ugly.
@steveelder5306
2 жыл бұрын
you need to put on the Mexican flag grips first. don't forget your serape...
Have had my Super Blackhawk since '83, 10.5 inch barrel. Just love it. Hard on whitetails though.
I have an Uberti Cattleman Peacemaker in 45 Colt mainly for nostalgia. I love old school. I hand load but since I am not sure about the Uberti's strength so the highest I go is full Pyrodex loads. I also cast my bullets and when I got a 255 grain mold the recoil was surprising.
I love my S&W model 29’s and my two Colt SAA .45 Colts!
Excellent presentation and good excuse to get both guns!
I'd be happy with either.
Thank you!!
love my Ruger in .45 Colt . use to load it hot but these days I'm more inclined to shoot heavy bullits at slower velocities . easy on the hand and fun
Like 'em both. I've always loved single-action pistols, they just feel at home in my hand. I haven't had the chance to try the big rifle caliber single-five shooters, but maybe one day.
Good day to you. This is Ted from Texas. I really enjoyed shooting 45 Long Colt. I own several guns in that caliber. I own a Ruger Vaquero, a Colt double action revolver and the cream of my crop is a first-generation Colt Single Action Army made in 1882. It's still a shooter. I even have some defensive loads. Thank you for the video have a good day
I chose a ruger blackhawk, because I had 2 1911s...my dad was a hand loader and had a 45 blackhawk 45lc/acp combo. I just couldn't see buying Another caliber to feed. If I could use both. 45 long colt is just fine for everything we have on our continent..provided you have the right pistol for the job. Thank you Mr Ruger.
I love both for two very different reasons.
I have always loved the 44. Some think the recoil is a bit much but I have been a recoil junkie forever.
Personal favorite is the 45 colt. If looking for a great option for either hunting or personal protection, Underwood Ammo Sales has some nice selection.
@DavidLLambertmobile
2 жыл бұрын
My friend just sold his father's S&W Mountain Gun 4" N frame in .45LC. This older stainless model was produced in the brief era when Big Blue had custom speed loader style cylinder releases, re-enforced crane/frame designs, re-engineered firing pins(stronger) BUT no stupid lawyer locks(internal locking systems). The 4" N frame was robust and could shoot .45acp with moon rings or .45LC. I wanted to but it, then have Gemini Customs do a Hybra Port barrel, Cerakote Elite coating in Blackout or Midnight then re-configure the cylinder to use .45acp loads. Add a slick wood Hogue grip too ✔. I'd retain the DA-SA trigger system.
I have many pistols in both ,but the .45LC in my polymer Judge is a handful, still a useful cartridge , great defense load.
@CIVILDEFENSEBUNKER
2 жыл бұрын
Replace the grip on that poly judge, pachmyer grip! Then it's a lot better. I shoot those Remington 410;slugs out of my judge it's a head turner at the range.
Long live the 45COLT! It’s such a great round, regardless of the fact that it’s “weaker” than .44mag. As a “bad guy repellent” cartridge, it works fabulously! For it was called out of retirement 1873-1892) with the U.S. Army during the 1899-1902 Philippine-American (Moro) war. Then it was still used in places up until WW1 by some troops, even though the 1911 became the standard army pistol. It knocked down drug intoxicated Moro tribesman, when the .38 Long Colt failed to get the job done. It makes a great camp defense hip holstered gun, when chambered in a Colt SAA “peacemaker” revolver.
@jorgesolis9468
2 жыл бұрын
Theres hot 45 colt that reaches 1200 ft lbs that ain't weak that's stout for that caliber
@billmccullough777
10 ай бұрын
My gunsmith took a look at the Buffalo Bore 45 loads I was shooting in my Ruger Super Blackhawk and said he could drill the pistol for 454 Casull if I wanted to shoot that power level. I stayed with the 45 Colt -- don't need to lead up oversize chambers! I backed off a bit on my 45 loads, and use 44 Mag for bear hunting. I got a 475 L/480 Ruger to use if I ever get back to Africa. Better to move up to a design for a bigger cartridge than to beat your revolver apart.
I have a Ruger Vaquero and a Rossi Model 92, both in .45 Colt. Full power Buffalo Bore rounds are very stout in both guns!
When asked by another shooter which caliber, 44 Mag or 45 Colt, I always ask if they hand load ammo. If they hand load, I recommend 45 Colt over 44 Mag. If they depend on factory ammo only, then I say 44 Mag. I'm a hand loader so my choice is 45 Colt. The 45 Colt is a much more versatile cartridge, and is capable of hitting like a freight train at surprising low chamber pressures! Easy to get a 255 gr RNFP or LSWC to 1000 fps at only 14,000 psi with the right powders, which duplicates the old original 40 grain black powder load from 1873 onward! I've seen small saplings fall when that big flat nosed 255 grain hits them. Tremendous thumping power at such modest pressure!
@stoner63reflex65
3 ай бұрын
44 better
@63DW89A
3 ай бұрын
@@stoner63reflex65 Not If you hand load your own ammo and have a strong handgun to handle it. Remember, the 454 Casull was developed by using 45 Colt brass. And the 44 Magnum is way below the 454 Casull in power.
@stoner63reflex65
3 ай бұрын
@@63DW89A i have a 500 magnum so both are small to me lol
I have heard of 45 Colt, what is this Long Colt you speak of?
I lucked into a lb of H110 yesterday, so I took my Model 29 to the range today and showed it some love! A 180 grain Hornady XTP bullet and about 30 grains of H110 makes a pretty impressive fireball!
@lennie8098
2 жыл бұрын
Try Hornady 240 grain XTP with either H110 or Winchester 294 with 18.5 grains of powder, and you will be amazed with the accuracy at 25 yrds. Both powders say not to under load less than 24grains but that is BS. I've been doing it for 22 years and shot over 10,000 rounds and Never a problem. I got kicked off a forum for saying this, but it's TRUE!!
There is one big error in the comments made by the Brownells representative. You don't get greater sectional density from the .45 Colt, you get significantly less. For example, a 300 grain .45 bullet has the approximate sectional density of a only a 270 grain .44 bullet (271 grains to be exact). In order to get the sectional density of a 300 grain .44 caliber bullet in a .45 you will have to get a 330 grain.45 bullet. If you want to get the deepest penetration on the biggest big game, go with heavy bullets in .44 caliber, or just go up to the .475 Linebaugh and be done with it. There is a lot more I could say, but I'll end with this. If you have bullets of equivalent design in each caliber that have the same sectional density, the velocity of the .44 bullet, with both cartridges loaded to top end loads (the .45 Colt loaded to no hotter than 30,000 psi and not trying to make it into a Casull), and using hard cast bullets, the .44 will exceed the velocity of the .45 by at least 100 ft. per second, will have the same incapacitation effect, and will even penetrate slightly deeper (with expanding bullets it will penetrate less). There was a wonderfully produced book on large bore revolvers in the book stores about 10 years ago that had an article on how the .44 caliber 310 grain Oregon Trails True Shot bullet penetrated less than an equivalent bullet in .45 caliber. The authors failed to recognize that the reason for this is because the .44 True Shot bullet has a significantly bigger meplat (the sectional area of the flat on the end of the bullet) than any .45 caliber bullet on the market resulting in significantly greater drag while penetrating and therefore less penetration. It had nothing to do with caliber, otherwise, there are ghosts in physics.
I've been using 45 Colt in a Ruger old model since the early 70s. That's what got me into bullet casting and Hand loading.
@jayclark2077
2 жыл бұрын
Any wisdom about hot loads in the Ruger Old Model: Powder, amount of powder, shoot-ability, and accuracy of loads? JWC
@merlemorrison482
2 жыл бұрын
@@jayclark2077 I used mostly unique and 2400. Most common bullet was a Lee cast SWC. It was very shootable, mustang (wood finger groove) grips took the sting out of those dinky small factory grips. I never saw a strength difference between the old model and new model. Action type was all I could see.
@jayclark2077
2 жыл бұрын
@@merlemorrison482 : Thanks. I have worked up and down from 18 grains of 2400 but in my .45 with a birds head grip and a 3 1/2' barrel that was a bit stiff. So I am wroking down to 17.3 or .4 grains of the same powder seeking 1000 fps instead of 1058 fps. I am also seeking a Ruger Vaquero in .45 Colt and in a 7 1/2' barrel. That should reduce the recoil a bit. JWC
3:32 never seen a man’s eyes go more cross eyed 😭
@jjjjns
4 ай бұрын
😂
The reason I prefer the .45 Colt is that I can load it to suit my purpose. Heavy bullet with a normal load will do wonders for self defense without the muzzle rise associated with the .44 Mag. Load them up for hunting. Don't get me wrong. Much respect for the .44. Just not my personal choice.
I don't feel under or outgunned with the .45 Colt. I've had to go crawling through the alder bushes a few times and was perfectly comfortable with the thermonuclear loads from Buffalo Bore, Double Tap and Alaska Back Packer. I also handload, but I haven't settled on anything specific yet. I bought an RCBS .45-270 SAA bullet mould which will be the basis of my all-around utility load.
"A man has to know his limitations..."
I'd like to see a video on .45 Colt vs .44 WCF
Enjoy the video appreciate the information thank you
Love my 44 SBH and Rossi R92. Hunt with 240 JHP usually, but love shooting my 300 grain cast in them both. I like having all the available store ammo available, as well as custom hand loads. Some of the best shooting rounds are the lower charges, deeper seated bullets. That's why I love my 44's.
@jedironin380
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I have my Dad's Super Blackhawk and a Rossi 92 in .44. Great pair!
I lust for the bigger bore size and hole made by the .45. But when my rational mind takes over, I opt for the .44, which is what I own. Nearly 5,000 handloads through it, just under half of those full power, and no complaints. Really accurate, too.
I love 45 colt due to its versatility but it's hard to find in my area right now and when I do find it. Its extremely expensive.
Living in Alaska and having a home their I carry a S&W model Model N frame in the 45 LC purchased in 1989 - being the second time it was made by S&W: along with the improved metallurgy I’ve been able to build 454 Casual casing cut to the LC length with Mag primers and the modern powders available to push 340 gr hard lead flat nose to 1100 fps without causing any stress on the gun . I also have a S&W 629 in 44 mag - alone with that I have the Marlin in 45-70 in stainless steel- these are my guns for Alaska
It is said that Elmer Keith, who was intimately involved in the development of the .44 Magnum, became interested in it because he blew up a Colt Peacemaker with souped-up .45 Colt loads.
@jalopywrench
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Dick Casull picked up where Keith left off with the 45, hence the 454.
I’m old and nostalgic I’m going with the 45lC
I love my Dan Wesson 44 mag. Steve, you always have great videos!!! Well, Caleb too...🤫🤭
Own various makes in both calibers and whichever I am shooting at the time is my favoriye
I only have a super redhawk in .44 so is my favorite took a nice deer last fall with it.
I like them both I own a 44 Blackhawk and a 45 lc Henry big bore
My "barbecue gun" is a 4" S&W M25-5, 4" , nickel, with stag grips. Beautiful revolver and a pleasure to shoot. WARNING: The old M25-5s were designed for the older, low power 45LC loads. Don't shoot hot reloads in them. Besides, it's not necessary in defensive shooting. That 45 caliber bullet may not be moving very fast, but it's almost a half inch in diameter and it's heavy. Shoot a 250 grain lead SWC into the threat and you're going to cut a big wound channel and do serious damage to any bone that gets in the way. Much lower recoil and muzzle blast and flash means faster recovery.
45 colt for me. Its a versatile cartridge: Load it hot or not.
I've hunted with my Ruger SBH .44 since 1980 casting my own bullets (E Keith) using it on deer & elk. While I use a rifle mostly, my 2 best bulls were with the .44
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Like both thanks for the video
My dad, who was a gunsmith by hobby, rechambered an 1892 Winchester from .44-40 to .44 magnum. It's an original, manufactured in October of 1891. It required a shortening of the lever throw, but it is a great deer gun. I have a Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 magnum as well. There is also a "sister" rifle. An 1892 manufactured in February 1892. It was .32-20 but because the cartridges were hard to find, he rechambered it for .357 magnum. I have taken down a whitetail at 100yds with it.
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