Questioning Psychoanalysts

Everything you always wanted to know about psychoanalysis but were afraid to ask.
This film was born at the launch of Three Short Films in December 2010. Attendees contributed the idea of engaging with important and widely held criticisms of psychoanalysis, and we set out to do this. Senior analysts respond to a wide ranging critique from interested but critical non-analyst colleagues also working in mental health field. We wish to thank the participants, all of whom took a walk into the dark in agreeing to participate and all of whom contributed considerably. Our target audience is the group of people who are interested in either having an analysis or in training in our field, as well as their teachers and mentors.
Find out more at psychoanalysis.org.uk

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  • @user-nq7yu5sl5t
    @user-nq7yu5sl5t3 ай бұрын

    Psychoanalysis helped me when no other therapy could. Very grateful.

  • @IamL54
    @IamL54Күн бұрын

    It saved my life. After 3rd year I started to trust my therapist. Now it is much easier to be open and to learn faster about myself.

  • @sahilsasidharan4634
    @sahilsasidharan46342 ай бұрын

    Not an analyst or analysand (yet) but I can confidently say psychoanalysis has changed my life.

  • @inglestherightway
    @inglestherightway11 ай бұрын

    Psychoanalysis is life! It is love for the truth, both one's own and that of each person, and a love of getting to it as a self-affirming right all of us have.

  • @Budapestpatiypami

    @Budapestpatiypami

    2 ай бұрын

    TRue

  • @Doll84174
    @Doll841749 ай бұрын

    Please do more of these ❤

  • @cadaver_on_autopilot
    @cadaver_on_autopilot8 ай бұрын

    I am eating from the trashcan every day. This is like a breath of fresh air

  • @abrahamhempel9260

    @abrahamhempel9260

    3 ай бұрын

    was that sarcasm? P

  • @cadaver_on_autopilot

    @cadaver_on_autopilot

    2 ай бұрын

    @abrahamhempel9260 I always speak the truth. Not the whole truth, because there's no way, to say it all. Saying it all is literally impossible: words fail.

  • @KB-ur4nk

    @KB-ur4nk

    2 күн бұрын

    Hail zizek

  • @massimilianodibacco7933
    @massimilianodibacco79336 күн бұрын

    Psychoanalysis changes so many lifes... I think that access to treatment AND training should be democratized.

  • @DavidWalker1
    @DavidWalker16 ай бұрын

    Obvious point: Kohon's opening joke has the first person saying to a second: "if one of us dies ..." - but Kohon then revealingly assumes, without obvious reason (!), that he thinks the first person was considering _murdering_ the second. If I was his partner, I'd be worried about this freudian slip revealing Kohon's own murderous impulses - unless, of course, I had watched psychiatry's full-scale retreat from psychoanalysis of the past 40 years, as people have slowly realised that psychoanalysis is unproven and all this talk of revealing slips is baseless. (Extra points for responding that I'm repressing something.)

  • @svetoslavatmadzhov1328

    @svetoslavatmadzhov1328

    5 ай бұрын

    He's saying it because as it seems like there is a fantasy in the one partner to go ti Paris and the only thing standing in their way is the other partner and they in their mind fantasise a life in Paris without the other. Methaphorically killing them off.

  • @enatp6448

    @enatp6448

    2 ай бұрын

    The psychoanalyst that I get most out of, intellectually, emotionally, and professionally, is Nancy McWilliams. She's got a very down to earth, compassionate, and human way of describing difficult experiences

  • @CJ-cd5cd

    @CJ-cd5cd

    2 ай бұрын

    A full retreat into medication management with medications that have very questionable results.

  • @Deantrey

    @Deantrey

    Ай бұрын

    I initially had this impression but after hearing the follow up I'm prepared to interpret it charitably (in what makes those follow up statements coherent with the earlier ones) in the following way: this interpretation is an example, to demonstrate the idea. It isn't the case that say, he has an insight into any given case of this kind. So for instance say that you were to tell him that same story. I don't think he'd interpret it that way. His follow up remarks seem to suggest (to me at least) that it couldn't be interpreted in such an irresponsible way because such an interpretation would have to come from the patient themselves or in collaboration, and would come out of getting to know them (perhaps over many years). And in that sense I think the truth comes out in interpretation itself. I was brought here by recent studies in cognitive science rather than by psychoanalysis which do point to reality of something like Freud's unconscious, though more expansive than his concept of it. But in any case what I take from this is that it wouldn't really matter whether or not there was some "unconscious structure" that the joke was indicative of, if the patient were to see in that joke a meaning that it surfaced for them, if that became a vehicle for self-knowledge. That obviously couldn't work if an analyst was going around interpreting everything they said whatever way they liked or fit their theory. If they are sincere when they say that it isn't an interpretation (in that sense) and that they are actually doing something in those sessions that requires getting to know someone for that length of time, one could only assume that such interpretations would be impossible. Rather, it would seem to be the case that this serves as an example of the kind of thing that could come up in psychoanalysis, rather than being a rubric you could apply to any incident of that kind. Just my two cents.

  • @joelmasantos879
    @joelmasantos8798 ай бұрын

    I love this, please continue this hard talk. I am on level 5 of psychodynamic studies and passionate about people and the unknown. I wish I could afford going to university full time, I’ll never stop seeking learning, I’ve learned a lot from you all here. Thank you! 🙏

  • @Budapestpatiypami

    @Budapestpatiypami

    2 ай бұрын

    If you are an english speaker I recommend (in case you dont know) Bruce Fink work about psychoanalysis. Really good books and excellent person!

  • @darrelvela7105
    @darrelvela7105Ай бұрын

    Hello Seattle. This is Dr. Fraiser Crane. I'm listening.

  • @Trashvenus
    @Trashvenus11 ай бұрын

    I love psychoanalysis! ❤

  • @LordDaffodilX

    @LordDaffodilX

    7 ай бұрын

    Which means you hate it 😂😂😂😂

  • @ron2260
    @ron2260Ай бұрын

    Exceptionally well done.

  • @talkingpsychology
    @talkingpsychology11 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the upload :)

  • @Psychoanalys1s

    @Psychoanalys1s

    11 ай бұрын

    No problem!

  • @provocateursofthe6thexposed

    @provocateursofthe6thexposed

    10 ай бұрын

    ​​@Psychoanalys1sh ey! Thanks so much! Quick question! Is paranoia a direct trait of the dark triad? I haven't found any research to show it but I was hoping to get your opinion! Keep up the great work as always!

  • @marti7343
    @marti734311 ай бұрын

    For me it is all about transference. It can take many years of what seems like aimless probing to finally experience the transference that is required for growth. That is what happened to me. But, I must say there are still issues my analysis did not uncover and I am not convinced it ever would have. I appreciate the benefits psychoanalysis can have. Yet, it is not realistic to expect that people will invest the time and resources to get these benefits. Psychoanalysis will always be a perk for the well off. That is a fact I did not see the analysts in the video acknowledge. Truthfully, we should not expect them too. Mental health is crucially important in our lives. I think we are still quite primitive in applying therapies that offer hope. My wish is that through research and experience new methods will emerge to improve mental health outcomes that do not require years of analysis.

  • @user-bn4nc9fc8r

    @user-bn4nc9fc8r

    7 ай бұрын

    not the end all be all this psychology. professionals as they are called have flaws, sometimes glaring. not the basket to put all eggs into, they can be stuck in their very head.

  • @kirstinstrand6292

    @kirstinstrand6292

    5 ай бұрын

    After my lengthy psychoanalysis, decades later, I completed the analysis that my analyst did/could not. Want me to teach you? I could. 😃

  • @mentalitydesignvideo

    @mentalitydesignvideo

    2 ай бұрын

    how does it feel to be infantilized and manipulated?

  • @hanxi830
    @hanxi830Ай бұрын

    Thank you for sharing such a great video. May I have your permission to repost it on social media platforms in China?❤

  • @TheColorField
    @TheColorFieldАй бұрын

    This video is a great example of various forms of 'mansplaining", and more ironically, revealing the tremendous deficiencies in psychoanalysis.

  • @inglestherightway
    @inglestherightway11 ай бұрын

    The only real knowledge is self-knowledge. And that's the one knwledge that's harder to acquire because it involves facing reality and reality is painful and thus most of us puts up a real effort to run away from it most of our lives. Long term psychoanalysis is pretty much the continual process of cornering ourselves out of it every new attempt we make to hold on to illusion.

  • @kirstinstrand6292

    @kirstinstrand6292

    5 ай бұрын

    This is absolute 💯 🔥

  • @vanessaroediger4829

    @vanessaroediger4829

    Ай бұрын

    Brilliantly put!

  • @user-wl2xl5hm7k
    @user-wl2xl5hm7k11 ай бұрын

    Awesome

  • @neillbartlett6298
    @neillbartlett62982 ай бұрын

    I find it difficult hearing so many assumptions being made by analysts about peoples' motives and the meaning of their behaviour. The example given of a finger being cut - instead of a carrot - is a good example of how psychoanalysis makes a judgement about what is the most real thing in the room, as it were, what should we focus on. There is very little appreciation of the contingent nature of events such as an accidental cut. In fact, Winnicott assumes this contingency in reference to the 'spontaneous gesture', the as yet undefinable nature of an act which is made meaningful in a relationship. Gregorio Kohon seems to appreciate this, but actually wants to interpret the event and to match it to theory rather than to consider its meaning.

  • @seymourtompkins
    @seymourtompkins7 ай бұрын

    Funny, I thought the joke at 0:58 referred to death anxiety (vs murderous impulses).

  • @lauracollier8931
    @lauracollier8931Ай бұрын

    An indulgence to listen to someone for more than 1 hour a week? This is why we have a mental health crisis.

  • @MultiMagnumforce
    @MultiMagnumforce29 күн бұрын

    Psychoanalysis is Science 😊

  • @joserafaelzepeda-garza9971

    @joserafaelzepeda-garza9971

    25 күн бұрын

    Yes Psychoanalysis is Science because Dr. Sigmund Freud was a Physician a Neurologist after many years of Neurological experience with Patients He discovered the Unconscious. Psychoanalysis is for Physicians, Psychiatrists to study at Psychoanalytic Institutes. Not for psychologists because psychology is Not a Science is a Discipline.

  • @user-zx7xj5ru6d
    @user-zx7xj5ru6d5 ай бұрын

    Is the evidence for psychoanalytic therapy due to the theoretical and technical specificity which differ from other forms of therapy or due to it's FREQUENCY? The dosage for typical analysis is quite high: 3 to 4 to 5 times a week. If someone went to CBT therapy that much would they also improve just by having that much contact with a therapist?

  • @aaron.umbarger

    @aaron.umbarger

    4 ай бұрын

    It's interesting that you highlight the relationship with the therapist in both cases rather than the particular type of intervention.

  • @davidjoseph3403
    @davidjoseph34032 ай бұрын

    Love the editing. The "favoring" socioeconomic lens, really intrigued me. What a political trainwreck! It just didn't seem to me that the classical analysis didn't comprehend that it's potentially gonna sink them. Kind of a depressing conversation.

  • @AsphodeliaD
    @AsphodeliaD2 ай бұрын

    So many good points made by the analysts here - thank you. Something tells me Annabel Lord unfortunately caught 'woke' - obsessions with Power/ Experts/ Evidence Base/ Oppressor/ Oppressed - so tedious. You can hear "the NHS" speaking all the way through her and it seems to stir her envy around a practitioner actually having the time and space to work with a patient. It's her choice how she thinks, but I find it destructive and a shame. The NHS can be such an envious institution, so destructive, and so obsessed with its own virtuousness. A lot of the questioners are not actually talking about pysychoanalysis - they are talking about "social justice" and their own need to feel they are doing 'good'. I wonder about this obsession with whether psychoanalysis is 'accessible' - lots of things in life are not so 'accessible' - why should psychoanalysis be any different?

  • @neillbartlett6298

    @neillbartlett6298

    2 ай бұрын

    No; she's saying that psychoanalysis is like that one person in a group of friends who has a wallet stuffed with notes and just wants to keep getting the drinks in when other people have to go home. It must be great if you can get by without thinking about the things you deride, but most people can't.

  • @AsphodeliaD

    @AsphodeliaD

    2 ай бұрын

    @@neillbartlett6298They are free to go home; no one is making them stay for more drinks. Your analogy makes no sense to me and I don't understand your secon point. What she seems to be saying seems more is it is like being envious of someone with a Rolls Royce because you can't have one, and instead of feeling your envy and knowing about it (which might make you do something constructive to change your situation), you decide that no one must have a Rolls Royce because some people can't afford them. And the loss to the world is a fine motor car, fine engineering, fine design etc... Kind of socialism/ communism in action really.

  • @Deantrey

    @Deantrey

    Ай бұрын

    I just hope you aren't a psychoanalyst since this kind of interpretation, which clearly fits your world view but isn't drawn from any real knowledge of these people or institutions, is just the kind of thing that gives psychoanalysis a bad name (and which I hope is simply mistaken rather than a real problem for it).

  • @AsphodeliaD

    @AsphodeliaD

    Ай бұрын

    @@Deantreyif I was a psychoanalyst I would suggest you are the one projecting. Because how would you know if I had 'no real knowledge of these people or institutions' - you assume I haven't any just because my viewpoint does not accord with yours. So what you are accusing me of is in fact exactly what you are doing.

  • @joserafaelzepeda-garza9971

    @joserafaelzepeda-garza9971

    25 күн бұрын

    Woke and DEI Stupidity in Medical Science is Disastrous.

  • @zainulabedin3226
    @zainulabedin3226Ай бұрын

    Excellent debate...

  • @DavidWalker1
    @DavidWalker16 ай бұрын

    Fascinating insight into the continuing weaknesses of the case for psychoanalyisis. Amazingly, more than a century after Freud came to prominence, we still lack compelling studies showing that psychoanalysis actually works for the analysands. For some reason, psychoanalytic bodies never seem to have felt compelled to gather it. And of course, as Annabel Lord points out, there's no decent database of results for individual analysts. (Yes, over a decade, offenders' offending might drop - but offending generally drops as people age.) On the other hand, the formula laid down by Freud - several sessions a week for several years - has obvious benefits for psychoanalysts.

  • @kirstinstrand6292

    @kirstinstrand6292

    5 ай бұрын

    Psychoanalysis thrives everywhere else except in the USA. Something is wrong with IPA who dominates over APA. 🤔

  • @esahm373

    @esahm373

    5 ай бұрын

    ​@@kirstinstrand6292Psychoanalysis is pretty unpopular in Germany compared to evidence-based Clinical Psychology and the latters treatment approaches such as CBT.

  • @danielmeixner7125

    @danielmeixner7125

    3 ай бұрын

    All of these criticisms can be levelled just as fairly at any of the talking therapies. In his book "House of Cards", Robyn Dawes recounts the results of comprehensive meta analysis of talking psychotherapy: that it is not dependent on modality, that therapists do not become more effective with experience, and that often it is not effective at all unless their is some subjective social compatibility between therapist and client.

  • @mentalitydesignvideo

    @mentalitydesignvideo

    2 ай бұрын

    it's been studied (after them avoiding such scrutiny for a century). There are recent studies that show success rate comparable to CBT, but once you look closer, it's a mascarade: each modality turns out to be formally under umbrella of "psychodynamic therapy" but you read the descriptions and it's all 8-16 week CBT specifically barred from "transference analysis". But they use these studies as a battle flag. Frauds.

  • @gbrinch
    @gbrinchАй бұрын

    I will happily accept that people with sufficient interest and empathy can help others and will thereby be able to learn something of value for their own life...but this! As soon as this is "Professional", the therapist is in a strange dependency on the patient for their lively-hood and yet needs to be in a position of power in order for their authority to be accepted. - This is theorising over immaturity! Please wake up, learn to think, and think before you act or speak! Practice empathy, and you will strengthen a sense of self that does not need psycho analysing - yes the constant search for self-validation is pursued at the cost of others and eventually one’s own development. Natural science, which by definition has to exclude matters of the spirit, has been the thin part of the wedge that has led to dead thinking and ultimately dumbing down and lack of discernment. It is like tying the legs of a dog and then theorising over why it is so bad at running.

  • @dannyVulture
    @dannyVulture3 ай бұрын

    Different approaches for the vastnes of the clients we work with. I am an art therapist, and a humanistic one at that. I can't possibly think of a single client of mine benefiting from my expert input, or a "scientific" break down of their problems. I honestly believe that people have the strength they need to pull through and work towards their desired life, and instead are better supported on their journey over being taught or guided. I do appreciate analysis however, as our world has been positively impacted by it wether we are fully on board with it's theory

  • @inglestherightway
    @inglestherightway11 ай бұрын

    What these other professionals and therapistis don't understand is that, with people, trying to be efficient is risking being effective. And, with people, being effective takes time. With people, fast is slow. That is what they are missing.

  • @Johnconno
    @Johnconno10 ай бұрын

    Can I question a Psychoanalyst?

  • @pegalegameg

    @pegalegameg

    4 ай бұрын

    absolutely! i think freud's big thing was to encourage analysts to "explore" questions rather than "answer." I'm afraid sometimes in action this ends up seeming like an analyst is avoiding the answer - like if their response is just "what makes you ask that?" it can be pretty frustrating, especially when the answer is simple, OR when the answer is something to explore too. (then again, the frustration that comes out of their response could be something to explore too.) but yea, questioning a psychoanalyst should be encouraged. then whatever tension or exploration that arises can lead to growth.

  • @stephenstephen1505
    @stephenstephen15054 ай бұрын

    Referring to the relationship needing over 2 years to build trust and for offenders to go through 10 years at the Portman is mind boggling And, by the way, the statement that the theory is not complex is absurd- have you read Lacan...?

  • @abrahamhempel9260

    @abrahamhempel9260

    3 ай бұрын

    Nobody read Lacan they just read about him. Isn't it funny we never hear from clients of Freud? From what I understand he never helped anyone. There are a few case studies thats all with ridiculous titles like wofboy or something. Its interesting material to read as history.

  • @timtim8011
    @timtim80112 ай бұрын

    What's wrong with irrationality?

  • @Deantrey

    @Deantrey

    Ай бұрын

    By itself, nothing. But we unfortunately need to give some order and understanding and value to life. We need to be able to make choices in it about what we affirm and what we wish to avoid or condemn. And when we turn that inward, to ourselves, the consequence is that we wish to bring to an irrational self some semblance of rationality (that is, of choice, value, freedom). So again just to be clear, there's nothing wrong with irrationality. When we say that we are largely, at our core, irrational, that isn't to say we are bad or wrong for being that way. We are that way. Nonetheless, sometimes we look inside ourselves and don't like what we find. In that case what we are doing is making a rationally ordered self out of what is otherwise irrational. It isn't the irrationality that is a problem and it isn't the irrationality that is solved by doing this, since it never actually goes away. It's just a consequence of what it means to acquire knowledge about ourselves and to make decisions about who we are or will become. That is, to do the latter is to deal with the irrationality that is otherwise a fundamental part of our nature, to bring order to what is disordered, give meaning to what is meaningless.

  • @kirstinstrand6292
    @kirstinstrand62925 ай бұрын

    If folks write down their dreams, everyone would understand that they will not heal until they understand their unconscious. Our un Consciousnes s runs our lives. It's as simple as this.😢😮 Yet 99% of humanity chases their dreams that are being directed by unconscious desires. Shopping for sex, love, and material compensation for their craziness. 🎉 😂😅

  • @seymourtompkins
    @seymourtompkins7 ай бұрын

    lol, i don't think she's buying it 4:01 & 4:29 Sorry kid, if you know, you know

  • @abrahamhempel9260
    @abrahamhempel92603 ай бұрын

    Just read and see if these theories can be applied to your life. The idea that you are going to find the perfect analyst and work through all your problems is fantasy.

  • @princesshamburglar9659

    @princesshamburglar9659

    2 ай бұрын

    Guess where can you elaborate your fantasies!

  • @abrahamhempel9260

    @abrahamhempel9260

    Ай бұрын

    @@princesshamburglar9659 on Fantasy Island

  • @Thomasshhh

    @Thomasshhh

    29 күн бұрын

    I did find recently my analyst… and I can tell you I found my perfect analyst. You are wrong.

  • @cameronidk2
    @cameronidk211 ай бұрын

    This channel is fairly new. My favorite Psycho is JBP but thats maybe to much to soon. But JBP once said We Tend to forget all the things Freud got Right and take those things for granted (fail to credit him with) and focus on the things he got wrong../ every thing is sexual repression of some ilk. I think that statement holds true when the Clinical behaviorist first critique is of that oh so Freudian branch

  • @kirstinstrand6292

    @kirstinstrand6292

    5 ай бұрын

    JPM is definitely not mine! He is a role model for many lost young men. I'll give him that. At least he cares.

  • @cameronidk2

    @cameronidk2

    5 ай бұрын

    @@kirstinstrand6292 that to me seems like a perfectly reasonable and informed opinion

  • @sarahhajarbalqis
    @sarahhajarbalqis11 ай бұрын

    3:47 A representation of Feeling of Castration.

  • @DavidWalker1

    @DavidWalker1

    6 ай бұрын

    Genuinely daft. If he'd been worrying about his mortgage, the reaction would be that he was feeling castrated by the bank's power over his life. Yet it might simply be that his mind just wandered. No wonder poor Freud in later life was seen to complain that "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".

  • @danielmeixner7125

    @danielmeixner7125

    3 ай бұрын

    When a psychoanalyst says castration, he means feeling powerless, without agency.

  • @zainulabedin3226

    @zainulabedin3226

    3 күн бұрын

    @@danielmeixner7125 its more elaborated in Lacan, excellently expounded by Slavoj in almost all of his books

  • @jimjam8949
    @jimjam8949Ай бұрын

    It's just my own observation here but you don't get psychoanalysts being afraid or on the defensive. That's because they're braver than other therapists. Once you've had the courage to do Analytic work yourself you learn that we are all the same messy humans. And that gives you your own council. I had about 4yrs of 1 x wk Analysis and yes I could have had a better house by now if I'd kept the money! Psychoanalysis helped me come to terms with my parents failings and strengths as well as my siblings and my own. But most importantly that life and relationships are a series of uncertainties - for everyone!! And that is ok. Other therapies always strike me as having such a strong certain view of Psychoanalysis and what it is without having done It?! You dont get psychoanalysts doing that with the other therapies?! Stop bashing Psychoanalysis!!!

  • @enatp6448
    @enatp64482 ай бұрын

    Ok. So I'd kick the dude with glasses out of the group. Too bossy...

  • @stephenstephen1505
    @stephenstephen15054 ай бұрын

    Their response to the homosexual question by the Cbt therapist was poor. They failed to address how theory has been and is being used to support fear, anxiety and prejudice on the part of analysts and their institutions Oh by the way Ernest Jones detested Lgbt people. He also failed to keep his hands off young female patients

  • @kirstinstrand6292
    @kirstinstrand62925 ай бұрын

    Try every love affair that we have 😮😅

  • @WrongQuope
    @WrongQuope4 ай бұрын

    I know why you're here and clicky clicked.

  • @johnbizzlehart2669
    @johnbizzlehart26698 ай бұрын

    Don’t trust others…analyze yourself

  • @lukepurse9042

    @lukepurse9042

    7 ай бұрын

    lel

  • @Dr.Daniela.Psychology

    @Dr.Daniela.Psychology

    5 ай бұрын

    Self analysis is the reflection of your psychoanalyst!

  • @Dr.Daniela.Psychology

    @Dr.Daniela.Psychology

    5 ай бұрын

    When it was the first time you haven’t been heard? What is the story behind the trustworthiness ?

  • @Philibuster92
    @Philibuster922 ай бұрын

    Jungian analytical psychology is better than Freudian psychoanalysis because it’s more true.

  • @CJ-cd5cd

    @CJ-cd5cd

    2 ай бұрын

    Agreed

  • @stephenstephen1505
    @stephenstephen15054 ай бұрын

    Very interesting but it is an archaic model that is failing to adapt to modern life, cultural issues and difference. The oedipus complex, for example, is nonsense- Freud's way of intellectualising his parental experience. It has been used and is used to describe Lgbt people as immature and incapable of consideration for trainings

  • @eniggma9353
    @eniggma93534 ай бұрын

    Having done it and studied it, I think it's total nonsense. Science is the only thing we need and not this nonsense.

  • @aaron.umbarger

    @aaron.umbarger

    4 ай бұрын

    You aren't saying why it's nonsense.

  • @undivertimentoserio2521

    @undivertimentoserio2521

    3 ай бұрын

    “Is the only thing we need” That’s sounds like a belief almost like faith. Good luck with that

  • @user-be9op9qt3u

    @user-be9op9qt3u

    2 ай бұрын

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Truly, my best to you non breather.

  • @RJ-cs9gz

    @RJ-cs9gz

    2 ай бұрын

    That's literally scientism and clearly shows a misunderstanding of science

  • @jjharvathh

    @jjharvathh

    Ай бұрын

    You are still an egg, not yet hatched.