“It’s just weirdly nice to have a disabled character who’s bad in the way other characters are instead of the ways I’ve come to expect.” There’s definitely something to be said for non-problematic representation in characters that are poorly written. I remember seeing a post of someone saying they want queer rep in bad movies, like a cheesy low quality horror movie where the couple of the group is gay and treated the same sort of way a straight couple would be treated in those movies. As long as the actual representation itself isn’t as low quality as the story surrounding it, sometimes it can be fun to see yourself in bad writing in the same way more represented groups get to see people that look like them in content anywhere on the spectrum of quality. I guess it’s like “hey, if even bad writers can represent me decently and I can feel like I belong in a mess of a world like this then I guess I really fit anywhere,” or something to that effect.

@KyleRayner12

Жыл бұрын

It reminds me of a joke about how you can tell if a movement's succeeded based on how far it's penetrated: if even terrible creators putting no thought into their work know the basics of how to represent you, it's a hopeful sign for cultural change overall.

@lahlybird895

Жыл бұрын

Basically like strange world

@shimaspawn

Жыл бұрын

There’s weirdly something empowering about being mundane enough to be casually represented in bad media. For gay relationships to have the same terrible pacing, I Staline and implied chemistry as straight ones. For disabled characters to be treated with the same stilted dialogue and terrible plot choices their able bodied counterparts are. It means you’re just people. Not other.

@sxatcychan1988

Жыл бұрын

I remember hearing how some black women want to see themselves as the damsel in distress, because that type of character is the opposite of the strong, independent woman, which is what that group is often type-casted into.

@hoshizawa.

Жыл бұрын

That's even funnier because part of the fun of bad movies is how awful and unbelievable the straight couples are portrayed, like their relationship is shoehorned, zero chemistry, and at times unintentionally comedically problematic. So like... Idk how you'd accomplish that

If I had a nickel for everytime I saw a conjoined set of dragon twins that bicker but ultimately would rather be together than apart I would have 2 nickels.

@lahlybird895

Жыл бұрын

That's not a lot

@xxwinter_skyesxx

Жыл бұрын

Maybe not, but it’s weird that it happened twice.

@gravityfallsgirl13

Жыл бұрын

Who’s the other one

@anitanielsen1061

Жыл бұрын

DRAGON TALES, DRAGON TALES-

@gravityfallsgirl13

Жыл бұрын

@@anitanielsen1061 yeah I thought it was Zac and Wheezie but I wasn't sure

The fact that they put a lot of attention to detail on how Garrett maneuvers through the world really surprises me and makes me respect the movie more than I originally did.

Ngl, hearing how well his disability was handled, kinda made me wanna watch the movie, I like that he was allowed to be, normal

@MsSumoon

Жыл бұрын

The movie has a decent story, skip the songs, and you will be able to enjoy way better, most of the songs don't add, nothing to the plot. And Gareth is the most jarring when he sings because it's not his voice actor singing, but I won't spoil the surprise.

@KawaiiStars

Жыл бұрын

it's a super boring movie, but yes some moments like this are handled well

@StarDreamsStudios

Жыл бұрын

@@MsSumoonI personally love the songs.

@fumarc4501

Жыл бұрын

I really like the songs and the movie.

@JDM-is-my-name

9 ай бұрын

I liked the movie itself, but yeah, I mostly ignored the songs, lol

You have to respect Arthur for at least giving the absurdly shifty, evil-looking guy the chance to be a knight of the Round Table. Of course, then he went and miffed it, which set things back for the naturally sinister so much that even today, the table won't recognize Sir Cain Malfeasance despite all his charity work.

@KyleRayner12

Жыл бұрын

His beloved wife, the Lady Evilina, never got so much as a plaque in the orphanage she founded.

@chibibluemouse

Жыл бұрын

I am absolutely loving this little ficlet. Take my like. XD

@burntgrahamcracker2866

Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of a joke from discworld about a man called bestiality carter who came from a family that thought you named girls after virtues and thus boys were named after sins. Ironically they turned out to be the opposite of what they were called, Chastity worked at a brothel and bestiality was kind to animals etc

@theothertonydutch

Жыл бұрын

@@burntgrahamcracker2866 Sir Pratchett was best knight.

@selenagamya1612

Жыл бұрын

​@@burntgrahamcracker2866 girls named for virtues and boys named for sins? Sounds like modern education.

The nostalgia I have for this film is deep, but the dragon twins honestly were so annoying. They could have been normal fraternal twins, one with wings that flies, one without who can breathe fire, and they learn how to work together as "one dragon".

@lugbzurg8987

Жыл бұрын

That... would've been so much more fascinating.

@thedanishcatgirl3205

Жыл бұрын

I have always loved Kayley and her dynamic with Garret. That bickering and sassyness slowly turning to affection is chef kiss. I also still love the songs especially “on my fathers wings” and “I stand alone” (very good to sing when you’re in a forest). As an adult though there are definitely some things that doesn’t make the most sense or are a bit silly but the nostalgia makes up for that. Really the only thing I still have a hard time with is those annoying dragons that sometimes makes me want to completely skip their scenes. They are rude and annoying and I just don’t appreciate that kind of humor

@cosmicspacething3474

11 ай бұрын

That’s the unfortunate thing with most comedic reliefs. They almost always come off as annoying

Kayley is one of a few dozen spellings of _ceilidh,_ a Celtic name that comes from an old Irish word for _companion._ There's no reason it couldn't have been a person's name in 6th century Wales. (King Arthur wasn't English, he was Welsh - he fought _against_ the Angles.)

@frankielovejoy9928

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure how true it is, but I heard somewhere that the reason the makers chose names like Kayley is because they named the characters after the kids of one of the crew members, not because it has any roots in history. Admittedly, it's a kind of sweet move. I mean, the Prince of Egypt modeled a character after her voice actress because they thought she was so beautiful. But it's still kind of weird for a movie like this.

@beckyginger3432

Жыл бұрын

Also Scottish traditional dance is Ceilidh dancing

@twistedmyth5860

Жыл бұрын

It does blow my mind how different languages use the same letters for wildly different sounds. Like I looked it up because sometimes different spellings can change how we pronounce/just be a different version of a thing and no. Ceilidh is just straight up pronounced Kayley.

@16poetisa

Жыл бұрын

@@twistedmyth5860 Celtic languages in general have *wild* spelling

@crysbay5428

Жыл бұрын

I never realized that the britons were part of what would become the welsh, I’m glad I read this

I was so fucking happy when the "putting things right magic" that happened at the end didn't take away his blindness or try to "cure" him. Because he's perfectly at peace without his sight, whereas the dragons had expressly stated they weren't, so they were separated because some part of them wanted to be. And, of course, it was nice that they learned they didn't want to be separated and got put back together, but that wasn't even hinted at with Garrett because he didn't want or need his sight back.

@hedonismbot1508

Жыл бұрын

Wait, *was* it properly established that Garrett wouldn't have wanted to partake of the healing magic? If so, the Nostalgia Critic review neglected to mention that part. Instead, it was painted as a textbook example of the major pitfall with doing this sort of thing from within speculative fiction, where we see magic or technology that should be able to remedy whatever it is, but it gets ignored for the sake of a message with no logical in-universe justification.

@Lin-rh6qs

Жыл бұрын

@Hedonism Bot I mean, he never once spoke of wanting his sight back, he never talked about being less than for not being able to see, he never even said any of the old cliches like "I wish I could see you, just once" or something. I mean, he also never explicitly stated "I don't want my sight back", but the only time he spoke negatively of being blind was when talking about how he felt directly after losing it, which, yeah, directly after being permanently disabled it makes sense to feel that way. I don't think it was necessary for him to directly say he didn't want it, in fact it would have been pretty cheesey to shoehorn that in as a last minute "are you sure you don't want your sight?" "Yeah, I'm fine without it." Considering the magic COULD separate the dragons and let them go back together, I highly doubt it was just "forgotten" that it would be strong enough to give Garrett his sight back.

@fightingmedialounge519

6 ай бұрын

@@Lin-rh6qs considering the writing for the rest of the movie, it is very likely they just didn't think about it.

@Lin-rh6qs

6 ай бұрын

@@fightingmedialounge519 very likely, but I'd like to just assume that it was, in some small way, intentional. So I can continue to enjoy the nostalgia this movie brings me.

@fightingmedialounge519

6 ай бұрын

@@Lin-rh6qs if it makes you happy than I'll let you have it.

Nostalgia Critic: "ARE YOU EVEN REALLY BLIND?" Oakwym: "An in-depth analysis on the representation."

@cosmicspacething3474

11 ай бұрын

💀

@pennysanchez7656

3 ай бұрын

This is why NC aged poorly

@Bezaliel13

3 ай бұрын

@@pennysanchez7656 Shallow analysis?

@pennysanchez7656

3 ай бұрын

@@Bezaliel13 Yeah, as well as clearly not paying attention to stuff that he isn't interested, and also after the Change the Channel controversy, it got worse. Never forget about The Wall.

@Bezaliel13

3 ай бұрын

@@pennysanchez7656 Has he reviewed Forrest Gump yet? I honestly never saw much "Nostalgia" from the guy.

I am admittedly deeply biased by my nostalgia, but I always read Garrett's musical number "I Stand Alone" as basically a defensive front that he put on to attempt to push Kaylee away rather than his actual feelings.

@asdfvidz

10 ай бұрын

Me, too. And I saw this magical disaster in a second-run theater THREE TIMES in late '98. I was at the peak of my ND kid Arthurian stage.

I used to be obsessed with Quest for Camelot as a kid. Garrett was the best thing about this movie. Him and the axe chicken lol

@lugbzurg8987

Жыл бұрын

Bladebeak!

@mitchlynroberts4726

Жыл бұрын

Bladebeak walked so that Heihei could run

@theothertonydutch

Жыл бұрын

I saw this movie in the cinema with my mom. I only saw it once and I kinda feel I forgot about it until I think the nostalgia critic or someone else on that god forsaken site of his did a review of it.

@meara628

4 ай бұрын

I FORGOT ABOUT THAT CHICKEN!! HE'S ON PAR WITH THE PEG LEG BAT FROM MOUSE DETECTIVE! Best evil animal pals, no one can change my mind😂

When you watch it in danishis, the line Caitlin says to convinces Garet to take her with him, is diffent as she says "Your bird likes me". Which in my mind is a better line

@Eloraurora

Жыл бұрын

That sounds like an excellent bit of localization. Bird is a reliable guide spatially -> bird is a reliable guide morally.

@abbaddabba6100

Жыл бұрын

Tbh, I always thought he agreed to help her because his bird was Bing fussy with him refusing.

I mean, calling it conjoined twins is the wrong term. There is a different condition, prominently in reptile like animals, causing them to have 2 heads. Polycephaly It's especially common in Snakes and lizards. So dragons aren't so far fetched. The whole makings it a joke is bad...

@taylorhillard4868

Жыл бұрын

It's the same thing. Conjoined twins with two heads are also polycephalic/dicephalic. Poly means multiple and Cephalon is the head . It's the same process in other animals as it is with humans to create a polycephalic organism.

@Parasolhyena

10 ай бұрын

@@taylorhillard4868 I believe the term they were looking for was bicephaly. The snakes aren't necessarily even twins so it's very different from humans. "bicephaly in snakes does not necessarily involve twins. Bicephaly refers to the condition of having two heads, and it can occur in various organisms, including snakes. In the case of bicephalic snakes, it typically results from a developmental anomaly during embryogenesis." "It is also possible for two separated embryos to incompletely fuse to form a two-headed animal."

@taylorhillard4868

10 ай бұрын

@@Parasolhyena regardless of whether it's one embryo splitting two heads or two embryos fusing that's still twins in both instances, just like conjoined human twins. The moment there are two brains that is twins, regardless of how they formed or whether they are separate bodies or not.

Honestly, the movie had so much potential. If they had just gotten rid of the dragons and the farting ogre, given the leads a little more characterization, and tweaked a few plot points here and there, it could have been epic.

@alexakaa.charlesross8919

Ай бұрын

The dragon definitely brings the movie down a lot

The best part of Garrett's song is how he spends it insisting he stands alone, totally alone, 100% alone, him and absolutely NO ONE ELSE. While Aiden is helping him THE WHOLE TIME!

@Curlyteacher537

3 ай бұрын

He thinks of Aiden as an extension of himself, he is his eyes and so part of him in his aloneness.

If it matters, knights were not high nobility, they served a lord higher than them and often owned land, farmsteads. A knights daughter would have lived on that farmstead and been trained to know how to manage a farm on every level, as knights wives were responsible for them as there husbands were often away serving their leige lord.during wars women could even find themselves holding a castle during a siege. Terry Jones (as in, I kid you not from Monty Python) wrote a book/has a doc series about how actual midieval people lived that has much more on this.

@meara628

4 ай бұрын

I was about to mention this in a comment! Knights were often rewarded with smaller land (usually farmlands cuz food = power) and how it actually makes the movie shockingly accurate in that regard to. I also always appreciated the clothes being (minimully anyway) pretty close to what would have been worn.

After loving this movie for over 25 years, I came to realize... Garrett didn't give in to Kayley after his stand alone song... I think it was Aiden. He could hear how cheerful and chatty Aiden was.

I have a soft spot for this movie, and I can agree with you on many, many counts. However, I do not believe Garrett's characterization is inconsistent, and I will die on that hill. (I wrote the KZread equivalent of a master's thesis, so be warned. /j) My understanding of Garrett's song is that he's not actively telling the truth through basically all of it. The verses slap, and they sound solid without closer inspection, but they're not accurate at all. Trees don't naturally stand alone--they're communal and share a root system. By their nature, they're interdependent. He's not all by himself--he has Aiden to help him get by. To say otherwise is simply untrue. He may be under the impression that he's right at the time, but in the context of the film, it's a justification to keep other people away. What's established here is the problem he needs to solve to complete his arc--namely, his insistence that his self-reliance and distrust are what keep him alive, even if he lives an unhappy life. This is later expanded into a deep-rooted fear that people aren't safe, which we know because he faced scrutiny and abandonment from everyone but the film's Sir Lionel. Only by avoiding the possibility of returning entirely can he maintain stasis. It may not even be what he really wants, but his existence as a hermit is familiar chaos. That's as close to safety as he's ever known. So he's building walls around himself, which will later come down. But with all trauma, the change has to come from within. At the end of the first song sequence--when deciding whether or not he should help Kayley--he's not convinced until he hears Aiden's vocal cues and his affection for her. Garrett trusts Aiden, and if Aiden likes Kayley, then Kayley must be safe. A possible exception to the rule, even if he initially finds it hard to be patient with her. And when the song is reprized at the edge of the forest, he's trying to justify to himself that leaving Kayley was the right decision, even if tonally, the film wants us to see this as an excuse to retreat. A faltering in his resolve against the fear of communal rejection, which he will later face head-on when he learns that Kayley's been captured. (The film doesn't really acknowledge how big of a change this is, outside of the classic "hero steels himself to rescue damsel" angle, but it's nice that the main pair beat the bad guy together--at least acknowledging their collective strength and making his arc come full-circle.) For these reasons, I wouldn't count this number and its subsequent scenes as inconsistent with how Garrett is characterized. He's not a loner: he's a scared young man who avoids dealing with his trauma by puffing up his chest and pretending it's his personality. That is, until he can't anymore. Cliche? A bit. A par-for-the-course, bad-boy-with-a-heart-of-gold love interest in a nineties family film with a plucky, teenage girl at the helm? Yes. Do I still love him? Absolutely.

@rochellerodriguez6431

Жыл бұрын

💯 you nailed it. Most of the time when a character (or person for that matter) makes a big show of saying how they don't need anyone else, they are compensating for feeling rejected. It also makes sense to me that he would feel scared of going with Kayley to Camelot because that was a place where he was made to feel weak and he wouldn't be able to navigate that as easily as the forest environments he's used to. He thought she would think less of him if he was vulnerable again. However, after he gets the courage to face his fears and help her he finds that he was wrong.Kayley still accepts him regardless of the environment he's in because she loves him for himself. As as side note, I also like how Kayley isn't perfect and has to learn how to be an adventurer over the course of the movie.

@Enirahtak8

Жыл бұрын

Huzzah! Agree entirely.

@Curlyteacher537

3 ай бұрын

I completely agree with you. His words in the reprise, “In Camelot, she would only see me through their eyes, not a knight, not a man, not anything.” shows his deep fear of not necessarily being rejected by Camelot again, but being rejected by Kayley because he believes himself to look weaker in Camelot compared to the sighted knights there vs in the Forbidden Forest he sees himself being the strongest, most knowledgeable man who can uniquely navigate a dangerous place and dangerous situations so he is more useful than those men. The fact that, despite being the strong heroic male love interest, he cries at this is actually great too.

I think Garret’s whole loner thing is that he is used to be alone and has convinced himself that it is better since he has only experienced bad things from other people after his accident and the only person who treated him well and probably became a father figure died early. So he goes into the woods and becomes a hermit as a response to the trauma. He isn’t a loner by personality but because trauma has convinced him it’s better like this. So along comes this annoying optimistic girl who definitely wouldn’t survive the forest without help and insists on helping him find Excalibur and of course he says that’s too dangerous and she should go home. But she is stubborn and doesn’t do that and he can’t really just let her die he isn’t cold hearted and has grown up on the knight’s morals so he reluctantly lets her stick around. It’s not Kayley that convinces him it’s Aiden who says good for her a bird whose judgement he has learned to rely on and his only friend. So now he is forced to actually be around someone and for the first time since sir Lionel someone actually treats him well and he Ben learns he was her father. So even though he has learned to be guarded she creeps into his heart because he is lonely and has missed genuine good human interaction even if he won’t admit to himself. She literally takes this worldview he has made tears it apart and shows him the world is full of more than all the pain and lies he has felt. He literally sings “don’t come closer. Don’t even try! I’ve felt all the pain and heard all the lies.” She shows him a future he has stopped dreaming of long ago believing it impossible. A future where “the heavens are sparkling with starlight” in the night he has lived in she shows him the sun a world that is “so much more than he remembers. More than he has known”. TLDR looking closer at what Garrets says especially in songs I don’t get the feeling he is supposed to be a loner but a traumatized person who has convinced he is better on his own to protect himself from the hurt he has experienced but Kayley shows him the world is more than just pain and lies

One stupid thing I like to note is Garrett's character designer, Chrystal Klabunde. Also designed Zak from Ferngully, and Prince Derek from The Swan Princess. Once you see the similarities, especially with the build, nose, chin, and dental work, you can't unsee it. ...and yes, Ruber's minions in human form DO look like they belong on Long John Silver's pirate crew in The Pagemaster. Tells you how much time I've wasted in front of animated shows, but it's fascinating trivia.

@ariadnefrolich7243

Жыл бұрын

Wow, so he worked on 3 of my favorite childhood films. Cool.

I am nostalgic for this movie. I loved the character Garrett when I was a child, and the way he moved with Aidan guiding him. I would like to see another version of this movie with stronger writing

I feel this would have worked if maybe they established that Kayli’s dad was the poorest of the knights of the round table or maybe show that her family found themselves in a rough financial situation after the death of her father. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@TheRoomforImprovement

11 ай бұрын

That’s a good idea. Adding onto that, if Sir Lionel, was similar to his mythological counterpart, maybe he’s tried getting in Arthur’s good graces after failing him. That would make his sacrifice at the beginning so meaningful.

I have a secret love for Ruber bc he's comically insane and dramatic and unrealistic

I unironically love this movie. I know it's not great and I never read the book, but it holds a special place in my heart.

I remember only liking this movie because of the Griffon. Back when I was little, I had a phase where I was obsessed with mythological creatures, specifically dragons and Griffons. I thought they looked so majestic and distinguished, the power of a Lion, the grace of an Eagle. I watched the movie specifically because I thought the Griffon was cool, but now that I'm older, I think the Griffon's voice is weird and funny sounding.

even as a kid i noticed how unexpectedly realistically he was portrayed. ill always have a bit of a weak spot for him

I was born in 95 and this movie was one of my favorites when I was little! I was absolutely obsessed with it when I was like 4-6 years old. I'm so glad you covered it in this video! Yeah it's not the best movie ever made, but it has so much nostalgia for me and it probably helped me respect people with disabilities without even knowing it. Also my child brain loved the dragon twins because I've always been obsessed with creatures, especially dragons, but when I watched the movie as an adult with my own kid I realized how annoying and out of place they were 🤣😂 I still love this movie even with all of its flaws 💜💙💚

The person that made Quest for Camelot named Kaley after his daughter.

It's funny how I've been listening to "If I Didn't Have You" song from the movie and had been considering rewatching this- I remember loving it so much as a child- So seeing you cover Garrett's disability and how it was handled fairly well makes me a lot more likely to rewatch it now!, despite the dragons' conflicting and lackluster character arcs lmao-

It's 6am where i live and I haven't slept BUT THAT WON'T STOP ME FROM WATCHING YOUR VIDEOS!

@luvxoxundertalehazbinhotel1835

Жыл бұрын

5:25 for me lmao I'm in Texas

The movie was extremely rushed into post-production. You can check how inconsistent the characters are. But as far as I could see from production stories and concepts, they were going to keep Gareth blind, and for a movie from 1998, it's rather amazing they made the right decision. It's Warner Bros trying Disney formula, but in a rushed way, and it didn't work out. I was there in 1998, but never truly watched in the cinemas, I only watched on DVD years later, and I did find it okish. The dragons could have been better to be honest, they are rather annoying even for the 1990s comic relief standards.

@lugbzurg8987

Жыл бұрын

It's really weird how they're the only dragons that aren't animalistic, as all the other dragons acted like mindless monsters.

On the question of Ruber's name, that comes from the King's Damosel. The book says he is "Ruber, the Red Knight". Why it was changed from Ironside, I don't know, as he's clearly supposed to be the same character. That being said, his name isn't actually unique among Arthurian literature either. There is an evil character in Perlesvaus who in fact, shares the exact same name of just being named the color red, Roux de Val Perilleus, so Ruber's name really isn't out of place in the genre.

From a purely visual perspective I do love the way they animated the horses. So chunky and lively.

This movie was my favorite non-Disney cartoon for a long time, and for many reasons: I was somewhat obsessed with Arthurian myths, the film featured a girl who wanted to become a badass knight, there was a cool-looking griffin and catchy songs - it resembled Disney films so much but seemed so different! And for me Garrett seemed much more relatable than any princes and princessess in other cartoons, and the fact that he got his happy ending staying the way he is brought me joy and inspiration. It still does) Thanks for the video!

I somehow never thought of the dragons as conjoined twins. I grew up with stories of dragons with 3, 7, 12 heads and just thought "oh, this is a twist on that". Also, I very much remember this as the first movie I've ever seen as a child with an explicitly disabled main character who was fine the way he was, it got me thinking as hard as I could at 5. You bring up interesting and important points and perspectives in this video, as always, I'm once again glad I found this channel :)

"as bad/average as the rest of the movie" Is an okay thing to be.

I have never forgotten that bizarre axe chicken from this movie.

I actually loved Quest for Camelot as a kid. It had two things I rarely found with other movies of the era: 1: a disabled hero 2: a female lead with agency. The part that really stood out to me was that while Garrett acknowledged the challenges of being disabled, he also didn't view it like a curse or problem - just a part of who he was as a person, which I didn't see much of at the time. And I absolutely expected Garrett to be "cured" magically and was surprised when that didn't happen. It took years before I understood how meaningful that choice really was

Yeah the movie aged poorly, but it would be a lie to say Garrett wasn't one of my childhood crushes ahah, I clicked so fast when I saw him in the thumbnail. Didn't know anything about the original book or what happened to that Lucius character in it, that was... yikes. Also fun fact, in the italian dub this movie somehow casted the same 4 VAs who previously worked on Disney's Aladdin to basically voice the same roles: the two main leads were dubbed by Jasmine and Aladdin's VAs, Ruben was voiced by Jafar's VA and the two dragons were dubbed by Gigi Proietti, voice of Genie and basically one of the most beloved italian actors/comedians of all time ❤ plus Italian singer Andrea Bocelli sang Kayley's mother's song? With Celine Dion?? Who... who asked for that? This movie is so weird.

@19Rena96

3 ай бұрын

how did it age poorly?

I had some ideas on how to improve the film. Feel free to share your thoughts. 1. Foreshadow the magic healing spell early on. The working title I came up with his the kings seal and Excalibur is the key to unlock it which is why The Red Knight (can anyone think of a cooler name then Ruber) wants it. 2. Have Kaylee’s inadequacy be a struggle for her character. Maybe she could make up for physical limitations with her wit. (there’s a bit in the original book, where she disguises herself as a servant to sneak out of the house when the red knight invades. Id include that.) 3. Show that Kaylee and Garett both put up walls because of their perceived inadequacies. (here’s a sample line I came up with for them. Kaylee: You’re eyes. You’re- Garett: Losing my patience? Very good. 4. Id have the red knight be a medieval Syndrome: have him create the weapon monsters so he could “ save” Camelot from them. I think this would give him a parallel to Kaylee Who has a superficial understanding of What being a knight means only to understand that meaning. This comes to ahead during the end of the second act after Garrett leaves. RK could try to appeal to her insecurities and try and convince her instead giving up Excalibur. But when that doesn’t work, he could threaten her mother’s life and force her to give it up. When he fuses Excalibur to his arm, if you could go to Camelot and frame it as if he valiantly tried to vanquish the “ curse” plaguing Camelot. But when Kaylee gets free, she could expose him as a fraud and the rest of the climax ensues. I’d also change his personality to where he puts up a chivalrous façade with his true instability bubbling under the surface. Maybe he could initially look like a hero from an ordinary Disney film the same way gaston did. When he’s exposed at the end that’s when he snaps. 5. Reframe the songs. I like the idea of “I Stand Alone” being Garrett’s defense mechanism. Ultimately, I envision the film has less of an imitation of Disney, but a deconstruction of it. Feel free to critique.

You should do a video on Gabriella from The Little Mermaid TV series. She was deaf and mute, and the episode takes it's time explaining it. They even made sure to use real ASL, and Ariel even gets to show it off. Above all that though, she was based on a real little girl who was a fan of TLM, but died before the episode could air due to illness. She appears a couple of times in the series too.

@EagleTimberWolf

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Gabriella is a criminally underrated character and I will never forgive Disney for forgetting she exists. Out of all the spin-off series they made and all the new characters they introduced only to abandon once the show(s) ended, she was the one I felt should've been utilized more. Gabriella and NOS-4-A2 (from the Buzz Lightyear spin-off) are probably my all-time faves when it comes to TV series-exclusive Disney characters.

I remember watching the nostalgia critic review for this film years ago.

Saw this movie as a kid, and I’m a person with a disability. I’m visually impaired in my right eye, and blind in my left. I enjoyed your discussion.

I remember having the biggest crush on Garrett when I was a kid LOL

When the spin off movie is better then the original book

We had this movie in Finnish on VHS and i watched it religiously. One of my favorite movies pure of nostalgia and wonderful songs both in English and Finnish. It's so sad it wasn't more popular. Does anyone know if this movie is up in some streaming service??

Man it's been forever since I've seen this movie I legitimately forgot Garrett was blind

This video just unlocked a deep, buried memory I didn't even know I had about playing a Gameboy Colour game based on this movie xD. I never even knew this movie existed, because I just randomly got the game with the gameboy secondhand. Really a great video :)

I love Garrett, and (most of the) songs, and the general movie, for reasons I can't really articulate 😅🤪 But it's nice with a character and love interest who just happens to be disabled, rather than the disability being the main arc of the story, or that character's arc/development, or Chuck forbid, something that needs to be fixed 🤮 Well, a character's development being about their disability could be a good thing I guess, if it's like about a recently disabled person learning to adjust to this new circumstance of their life. But as we all know, there are plenty of charactarizations of disabled characters where the disability is treated as this curse they have to suffer through for the rest of their life. And it's just, like, NO! We don't like that😠

So I have a lot of nostalgia for this movie, my mum bought it for me from a bargain bin they had at the local half price books store growing up thinking it was a Disney movie. I then proceeded to watch it so much my mum ended up hiding it in the top of her closet one night so she wouldn't have to listen to it again. Garrett is best boy.

i remember liking this movie. But I was a baby and I don't think I fully understood the plot, even

I honestly keep forgetting this movie is a musical Same with ferngully

this movie is so good oml i cant believe i forgot about it, its the first romance i actually cared about as well jesus

This really is the goals though: to have representation so casually it can be poorly written without the representation being the cause. I can't really rewatch the film because the dragons are.... a choice (and being welsh, arthurian legend needs to have a non-american aesthetic for me), but I've always admired Garrett as a blind man within the film. I don't go a day without seeing people walking around with a white cane so you want to see that reflected in films like this

So pleased to see you cover one of my childhood faves. I love this move and it's soundtrack so much it often makes me sad that it seems to be a general punching bag for the internet's ridicule so it's nice to see a KZreadr I like and have a lot of respect for give it a fair shot. I always loved Garrett. His sarcasm, his sheer competence, his gruff with a heart of gold thing and the fact that he is portrayed as thriving with his disability. It's very powerful that he doesn't get his sight back at the end.

Hey Oak, I don't know if you're gonna read this comment but I just want to thank you for all your work on giving information and input on disabilities and what is bad disability representation. My partner and I (two abled people, unless you count my considerably high myopia - which I know most people don't) just created our first disabled characters in a relationship and it's legitimately so fun writing their day to day lives in a respectful, meaningful light. Your videos always help me a lot in how to write their disabilities well and what I should avoid doing, so again thank you so much for your work!

Quest For Camelot is one of the few kids movies at my great-grandmother’s house, so I’ve seen this movie over and over again. It holds such nostalgia for me

This was a favorite movie of mine as a child and contributed to my Arthurian myth obsession (along with Avalon High). I feel like the plot is very similar in a way to like, a Barbie movie. Not very well written but enjoyable as a kid. I had a feeling going into this video that you might appreciate the way that the falcon acts as a seeing eye animal, as it always ready very nicely to me. Personally I also like the way that Garett doesn’t seem to focus his eyes on much of anything, that’s an easy detail people forget.

To be honest... this movie is one of my guilty childhood pleasure and I always loved it. And Garet is my favorite character, so I am happy to see you treating it. He was in my opinion the most interesting of the cast for me and this movie was, I think, the first one I saw (or at least that I remember) with a disabled character, and it was in my opinion, the most important character of the story, and most interesting, that was, the disable one, something which is still to this day, one of my favorite thing about that movie.

I always sort of assumed that Garett sort of understood Ayden, since they've clearly spent a lot of time together.

Agh I forget how young you are! Thanks for making me feel ancient in the first 10 seconds! (But for real, you write so well I can’t believe how young you are and how excellent these videos are)

@evangeloevoxi

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Same here 😂😭😅 I'm not super old but I was born in 95 and when this movie came out I was absolutely obsessed with it lol

@ronjaj.addams-ramstedt1023

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If you like Oakwyrm's writing and can risk falling down a pretty deep rabbit hole: he has written various fanfics and published them on Archive of Our Own for the last decade or so. His earliest stories are less polished, I promise... ;-)

@hajimeyoshinori4161

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As a child born in 2008 my parents never talked about this movie , yet I wanna find this movie

@Amy_the_Lizard

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I was born in 2000, and it was one of my favorites as a kid, so I had always just assumed that it came out in the early 2000s, so I was surprised to find out it's older than that ^_^"

Thank you SO much for making this video. I’ve been in love with Quest for Camelot my whole life and I have seen countless videos tearing up the story, animation, music, etc. I’ve been looking for a video that specifically talks about how disability is depicted in the movie though, and here it is. Thank you so much!!!

1:40 obsessed with the way you said “Wikipedia”. I love hearing how ppl w different accents from my own pronounce things :•)

I've never watched the movie in full, but I know the songs as I've listened to the Finnish versions on KZread since I was a kid. I remember loving Garrett's voice in those, and so those give me a bit of nostalgia towards this movie.

I frankly love that description of Garrett. A bargain bin Disney prince with a disability. Yes, that´s exactly what he is.

maybe you could do a video on quasimodo from hunchback of notre dame, while I'm not sure he fully counts as disabled he is basically one of the only truly ugly characters in media to be portrayed as a sympathetic hero rather then evil villain

I loved this movie so much as a kid-the music, the animation, even the characters meant a lot to me. That said, my brain did come up with some workarounds for the weird choices lol Regarding Lionel and Juliana being treated like lords but having a very small home-I always assumed they had a lot of land, it just wasn’t very populated. Like, I thought the knights acted sort of as stewards to protect a part of the kingdom that either they’d chosen or Arthur had assigned to them, and Lionel just had a poorer territory than some of the others.

@user-xy4di3pd2m

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Wasn’t there a scene where the bad guy asks for more land? Before he kills Kaylees dad?

@linnywines8014

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@@user-xy4di3pd2m yeah, in the very beginning after the knights sang United We Stand. He demands more land and Arthur answers that the land was given out according to need, and Rubar answers that he “needs more than everyone”.

This doesn't change the fact that I still absolutely love this movie

Oh wow, what a throwback! I used to watch this movie costantly, I would probably be able to recite it all from memory. I appriciate you discussing it, it gave me a new perspective on things that honestly passed over my head

Omg! Yes! Thank you so much for making a video about this movie! I love this movie so much. It's probably the most impactful piece of media in my entire life. Maybe it's because of my autism but since I was a kid there wasn't a single day where I didn't think of this movie. I'm absolutely obsessed with it. This movie got me so damn hooked on the knights of the round table and the entire arthurian legends that I'm reading Le Morte d'Arthur by Sir Thomas Malory, writing an entire novel series (it's my special interest aside from Beyblade) based on arthurian legends since 2012 when I was 13 years old, I will possibly get the three circles (that I also have behind Galahad's Jin Form as my profile picture) as my first and likely only tattoo, this movie has helped me to survive many years of severe chronic depressions that I had since 2009, I finally overcame most of the chronic depressions in 2022 with the help of this movie and I even have Kailey as part of my chosen name regarding my transition as Kailey is a combination of Kai Hiwatari from Beyblade and Kayley from Quest For Camelot. When I won the Beyblade World Championship in 2018 I even had my own 3D printed Beyblade name Quasar Galahad on my necklace that had the three circles seen in this movie on it. I later even won the first place in the Beyblade World Championships in 2018 in the senior's devision (I'm the person with the blue shirt and the black hat) and to this day I'm still undefeated. When I met the creators of the Beyblade products on the day after the senior's tournament I gave them permission to replicate the newtons crade double strike gimmick of my 3D printed Beyblade for the use in their official products as they were very interested in it and even asked to take pictures and a bit over half a year later they then released a Beyblade called Flare Dragon that has the same newtons cradle double strike gimmick as my Quasar Galahad. It's truely an honor. Saying that I absolutely love this movie with all my heart and soul would be an absolute understatement. This movie has literally shaped me into the person that I am today. I love Quest For Camelot.

I remember loving this movie as a child, so when i saw the thumbnail of the video i thought "fuck, i hope it doesn't have shitty disability tropes" i'm so glad it didn't, and also i'm glad that they changed the ending because wtf was that becoming sighted to tell her she's pretty thing. Overall i really enjoyed listening to your perspective on this movie

YES I loved this movie as a kid since we had it on VHS and watched it sooo much

i remember watching this movie when i was younger and getting slightly upset that Garret's disability wasn't "healed". thinking back on it now, i like how they handled it. he never complained about being blind and he was perfectly capable of taking care of himself. it would have ruined his character to suddenly give him back his eyesight. whenever movies do this, it always feels like they're saying that this is the only way the character can have a happy ending. that they can't possibly be disabled and still lead a fulfilling life. that's just bs.

Just an odd fact. Reptiles are more likely than mammals to be born with two heads. Turtles, snakes and so on. From some videos I've watched about two headed snakes, in captivity, when they are fed, a common technique is to "separate" them with a screen. This helps the snakes not attack the same "prey" at the same time. Sorry for the animal fact tangent.

I was a kindergartener who knew nothing about Arthurian legend so this movie went straight to Cemeted to My Brain nostalgia. I love the songs and the idea of a living a forest where the plants moved by their own accord

I'm so happy i found your chanel, your analysis are so great!

Thank you so much for covering this movie! I've been curious of your views on it. It's not a great movie, but I always felt like it was a guilty pleasure type thing. Just simple, indulgent fun.

I always figured Garett agreed because his bird liked her.

I was a teen when this movie came out and did see it in theaters. I will admit, one major reason I wanted to see it was because I learned Cary Elwes voiced Garrett lol. Major Crush on the guy at the time. Granted the movie will never make my fav list, but I still liked it and I feel like I am the only one who enjoyed the 2 dragons throughout the movie. Maybe it's because they reminded me of my relationship with one of my brothers because we bickered a lot growing up (still loved each other though). We get along smoothly now lol. Now I didn't know this at the time, but as an adult, I was diagnosed with Autism (Asperger's to be exact for I am high functioning). For me personally, I don't care about representation when it's 'shoved down my throat' when it comes to the entertainment industry. It fact, it's a major turn off now. I want to go see something if it looks enjoyable. And if a particular char in it that I enjoy happens to be autistic, it's a detail I can enjoy. Perfect example right here, last year I got a visual novel game with romance in it. It's basically a dating sim. Well, your main love interest is revealed to have Autism, but they don't reveal this until the end of the game pretty much. I can't tell you how appreciative I was that the game creator didn't mention at the start of the game. Or that it wasn't a part of the 'advertising'. The game was excellent in its subtleties.

Damn you just gave my flashbacks to my childhood - watching this on VHS at my nans house xD This film is a mess but it still holds such a dear place in my heart. I'm still very surprised that a major animation company had a blind character as a main protagonist, and the love interest in the 90's! I don't think I can name any other example of a disabled main character in an major animated film, the only disabled characters in mainstream animated media I can think of off the top of my head are Eda from Owlhouse and Finn from Avdentuire Time - both relatively recent TV shows. Awesome video as always, keep up the good work!

3:02 - What's seen here was pretty standard for a newly minted or lesser knight at that point in time. It's further justified in that the reason Ruber rebels is because they are organizing the kingdom into estates/fiefdoms and he demands the largest one. so perhaps this Lionel was only recently knighted and would have been given additional lands that would bring in funds for the building of a true castle.

I first heard of this movie by watching the nostalgia critic's video review of it and while I thought it looked bad from that, I always thought, as an autistic person, that it was cool that there was a disabled character as the love interest and as a warrior. Sure, he was blind and I'm autistic, but we're both disabled and I think that's cool. Apparently, someone else agrees. Thank you.

You'd think that conjoined twins would have figured out how to cooperate in like, toddlerhood. This trope is silly and probably offensive to actual conjoined twins. I get Zack and Wheezy from Dragon Takes always bickering and learning how to get along because they are literal preschoolers learning how to dragon. These guys though? What the heck?

I have been waiting for this one forever!

As a kid I loved this movie, I still think that the backgrounds/scenery are great (can’t say the same about the animation, colors and shading 😬). I don’t remember the conjoined twin dragons though 🤨

Funnily enough, there's another cartoony Garrett with a disability, who "was born" a year earlier - it's Garrett Miller from "Extreme Ghostbusters" (1997). I was always rooting for him while watching this show back in 2015 and I'm still positively amazed by the combination of traits this character has - he seemed so cool back then)

This was one of two movies they had my schools aftercare

Not all conjoined twins are identical.

Watched this way to early as a small kid, only remember that it was too scary for kid me. Seems like I have to rewatch it. Disabled love interest, damn yeah!

I actually really liked this movie when I was little for what that's worth...I also had just assumed they were really minor nobles and that that was why they weren't super rich. Wasn't a fan of the dragons though because for some reason as I child I knew conjoined twins were supposed to be identical? I had the same issue with Zack and Wheezy in "Dragon Tails" but they were likeable enough that I looked past it. Why I knew this information as a small child, I don't know. I also distinctly remember thinking the villain was Mordred, how I failed to notice him having a different name, I don't know.

i love watching these videos for your chill voice and some analysis on what to do/what not to do with my own disabled OCs but 14:55 got the biggest chuckle out of me LMAOO

I agree with so much of what you said, now that I'm older. But as a kid I absolutely loved this movie both because of the story and characters and the fact it had disabled rep. (As a disabled kid I clung to any rep I could get even if it wasn't for my specific disability. Which, to be fair, I have never seen represented in any form of fiction or non-fiction *ever*, so I take what i can get.) I haven't watched this since I was a kid (only saw it the odd times they played it on TV) so I wonder if my old love for it would still stand?🤔

I am absolutely delighted by the coincidence that I just watched the movie for the very first time a couple days ago, just in time to watch this video!

Ah my boyfriend is blind I should have him review this lol. I do like that Garret is just normal, and thank goodness they have home a cane, or a stick instead of having him have some type of magical ability that totally negates him being blind. The bird gets a pass because Aiden isn't like constantly guiding him and it's actually semi believable. I'm also glad he STAYED blind and wasn't magically cured or healed. Hated the dragons though lol.

I did really like this movie as a kid (it came out the year i was born!) and to this day the way i say "precisely" is a direct reference to the griffin lol

You know, I had totally removed the dragons from my memory of this movie.

OMG I REMBERED THIS MOVIEEE. THAT SCENE OF THE GRIFFON EATING CHICKEN IS ENGRAVED IN MY MEMORY, NOTHING ELSE

I think the reason I love this movie so much was do to me having it on VHS. I know it is not a good movie but I love it, and sometimes go back and watch it to sing along with the music like I did as a child.

*That* is where that weird goblin/bird/demon/idfk what that is (apparently its a griffin!), came from! (4:00 creature)

Wait, in the book, the character gets his sight back so he can look at the woman? Hahahaha. You said it was before he died so I am assuming his body is weak at this point? If so, seeing the woman is probably what push him over the edge to die. So much random visual stimulation so close to death would definitely short-circuit his brain. 😂