it's a PERCENTAGE, so it doesn't matter there are more people in America. It's a PERCENTAGE.

@eddhardy1054

7 ай бұрын

& these guys are teachers.

@davidkettlewell

7 ай бұрын

@@eddhardy1054 Heaven help their pupils!

@eddhardy1054

7 ай бұрын

@@davidkettlewell 🤣😊👍

@roaringviking5693

7 ай бұрын

As you said, it doesn't matter, but China has more than four times more people than the USA anyway.

@JohnDoe-xz1mw

6 ай бұрын

im sure they know that, thats just a devence reflex you see with alot of americans, , its jsut a phrase you say to feel better, like land of the free. or we cant have healthcare we are to many people.

Has anyone else mentioned that you two missed the point about percentages yet?

"criminals should be in jail" is so simplistic the question you should be asking is why does America have so many more "criminals" than other western countries.

@lewilewis3944

7 ай бұрын

Yup. The extreme poverty, bad public education and huge amounts of homelessness are certainly a factor.

@volundrfrey896

7 ай бұрын

@@lewilewis3944 Poverty is a common scapegoat to explain criminality but it doesn't really hold up, there's plenty of countries with far more poverty but with less crime. And while there's more to be asked from the US educational system it's not severely lagging behind the rest of the western world, same goes for homelessness.

@steakandkidney3142

4 ай бұрын

Profit.

@michaelafrancis1361

2 ай бұрын

@@lewilewis3944 And then of course the leading question is why does the richest country in the world have so much poverty and homelessness and is incapable of funding a decent education system for its citizens?

I think both of you are so focused on salvaging America’s reputation that you’re not listening to what he’s saying.

@ma.7583

7 ай бұрын

This is true. The show was talking solely about the US apart from when they said the UK tops the European league for number of people locked up.

@user-fq8rs7rz3i

7 ай бұрын

Yes, I noticed that.

@jgreen2015

7 ай бұрын

Yeh they immediately went to 'apart from China how many more people are living in the US than these other countries' which is completely irrelevant when talking about % of population incarcerated I had this exact same debate with an American about knife crime where they were claiming the UK is worse than US for knife crime and so I looked up the stats and showed him that the knife crime rate PER 100,000 population is actually worse in the US (it's just their fun crime is so much worse it doesn't get talked about) and he just kept saying 'yeh but the US has a bigger population' not understanding that the PER 100,000 people rate made that irrelevant 😂

@lundypete

7 ай бұрын

Yep, there is a lot of defending frankly indefensible US judicial policy. And an almost wilful obfuscation of evidence. But we in the UK are not much better. Other western countries, have much fairer, more tolerant systems. But the idea that its a strictly US problem is false. It is a Anglo saxon problem.

@rebeccarobson4940

7 ай бұрын

They still need to stfu

Come on guys ! Percentage % ? You are teachers for goodness sake ! This is another case of Americans being totally incapable of accepting any criticism whatsoever.

It’s the PERCENTAGE. Please listen !

The comparisons with other countries are per capitas. 531 per 100k for USA, 199 for china, UK is 142. It's accepted fact that the USA has an extremely high prison population. It is a business so capitalist tendencies have shaped/lobbied for policy to better benefit those making the money. It's what you expect to happen when politicians are allowed to get money from anywhere and the media and the masses are apathetic about it. You should react to Norwegian or Finnish prisons.

The population of a country doesn't matter. It's the percentage of people behind bars that matters. Compare the UK to America where the UK has 159 in every 100,000 behind bars. Compared to America where you have 1,000 in every 100,00. Also, the 11th Amendment states that slavery is legal if you have been convicted of a crime. So yes, it is slavery by the back door. But this is what happens when you have for-profit prisons.

@drcl7429

7 ай бұрын

England is 159. UK is 142.

@educatednumpty71

7 ай бұрын

@@drcl7429 Actually if you want to be accurate, the actual numbers are 159 England and Walse, 97 Northern Ireland, and 162 Scotland. Making it an average of 141 per 100,000. But I was just being general and showing that it's far less than the 1,000 per 100,000 in America.

@drcl7429

7 ай бұрын

@@educatednumpty71 I used uk estimated population and june 2023 prison pop and rounded up to 142.

@educatednumpty71

7 ай бұрын

@@drcl7429 Really. I used the official Government figures which you can find by Googling it.

@cahan557

6 ай бұрын

Also, and this doesn’t excuse America’s criminal justice system at all, population is definitely a factor when comparing countries. Crime rate is a really complicated socioeconomic measurement with an immeasurable number of factors like population density, access to legal employment, social benefits, types of housing etc which are all influenced by a country’s population generally. A high population country is likely to have denser populations with more social programs to combat poverty and crime. Iceland for example has almost 400k population but only 0.54 crimes per 100k people and only 1.5 murders a year (this is data from 2021 and the stats have been continually dropping by massive amounts over the years) which isn’t because Icelanders are all naturally pacifists or anything, its just that the 400k are very sparsely scattered across a massive country to the point that many Icelanders will only know the people in their village which would be a very tight community. If your whole life is basically in this village with 30 other people, you really don’t want to upset them all by committing a crime. But if you just compared the percentage of crimes per 100k against another country or city with a 400k population (that’s undoubtably smaller than Iceland) it will make the other seem much worse even though its not a totally fair comparison

Many states have contracts with private companies to run prisons and jails. They make a handsome profit from incarceration and need a minimum population inside to do that. Companies have pulled out when their profitability goes down. BYW I have 35 years of experience working ini the US prison system. and can assure you that educational programs are inadequate and underfunded in most places.

He was referring to the percentage of adults so his numbers were relative. Population size doesn't matter

It's amazing how a lot of Americans dont know how many freedoms they actually dont have...The land of the free in the modern age is more the opposite. The three strikes rule can vary from state to state but generally what they say in the video is correct. You say you weren't offended, but your tone suggests otherwise. The show Qi deals explicitly with facts only and in cases where they have been wrong they reissue the question later on with a correction. It's always a shock to find out that maybe you live in a country that does things like this. Every country has their skeletons...The sheer size of America would or should suggests their skeletons would be many many times greater. I dont think this is a dig at America, but it's quite interesting (Qi) knowledge for people of countries who may not know these things.

@rickb3645

7 ай бұрын

If any Americans watching out there... Want to know exactly what kind of country they're currently living in... Just type into the search bar up-top... First Amendment Audits... And look at the way that public servants treat law abiding citizens... It will shock you!... There are twenty plus videos posted every single day... Showing corrupt and criminal law enforcement officers... Town hall staff assaulting innocent citizens who are freely recording in public... Which is a Constitutionally protected activity... And law enforcement swore an oath to protect and uphold the Constitution... Sadly they hardly ever do... If you are an American that's never been exposed to these kinds of videos before... You're going to be in for a real shock... You also need to keep in mind... That Public photography is not a crime... Anything or anyone that you can see from a public space can legally be recorded... You certainly don't need anyone's permission to record in public either... As there's no expectation of privacy in public... But most Americans are completely unaware of the laws protecting public photography.

@user-fq8rs7rz3i

7 ай бұрын

I think Americans know that things aren’t quite what they’ve been led to believe. They know that each government coins it in off the backs of the people, and gives very little back. Except of course the MILITARY and PRISONS. That’s why they are a super power, just like the British Empire was. It took our people a long time to wake up and do something about it. The truth is if the likes of Churchill had their way , we’d still be the same as we were before WW2. That’s why he was voted out after the war, and Clement Attlee was voted in. HE was the best PM we’ve ever had. Read about what he did during the war and as PM. He was wonderful. Rant over. 🤣

@Thisandthat8908

7 ай бұрын

i'm always baffled how utterly non-existent workers rights are. Even most of the nastiest dictatorships on the planet have paid vacation and maternity leave.

Jodi and Nick were not expecting this clip to turn out the way it did, you can clearly see the shock on their faces.

Your argument is called, "What aboutism.". saying we aren't the only broken system or I'm sure others do it too. These are facts. Just take your medicine

There's a natural instinct here to defend our own country and I see that hugely with my relatives, who don't want to believe the facts being presented to them. QI is very well researched by the "QI Elves". The stats will be correct and they are disgusting. But I would acknowledge unfortunately that the British justice system is far from perfect too (as stated in the clip). And sadly the British system is getting worse. The right-wing press here and members of the govt want to leave the European Court of Human Rights. That will take away a huge number of rights for British people. And as always with these things it will affect the poor and not the rich. It's being sold to the poor as a way of reducing immigration, because of course sadly that's an easy vote winner. (I could rant on but I won't go further)

Teachers that don't listen interesting

What is the amount of people got to do with the question? The answer was based on a percentage!

England doesn't have three strikes and they're out. It's your game!.

What a great example of two intelligent people in denial

@user-fq8rs7rz3i

7 ай бұрын

It did seem like that, didn’t it? From school teachers.

@Fwhole

7 ай бұрын

Be nice. They are quite right to question the facts presented to them. I hope they dig a bit deeper.

@conormurphy4328

7 ай бұрын

@@Fwholethey’ll only find disappointment in their country

@Cybertruck1000

7 ай бұрын

They are a genuinely nice couple. They rightly want to see the best in life. They are "living the dream". As Al Murray says though, in the UK we are awake.

@stuartcollins82

7 ай бұрын

They are nice, and the country trains everyone to defend it. I'm sure if they watch this back a couple of times and listen to the thing they're reacting to, they might realise.

The privatisation and manufacturing is exactly why there's no incentive to properly rehabilitate anyone. If you're running a private company that's being paid to run prisons, and basically running them as factories with free labour, why would you want people to leave and never come back?

@user-fq8rs7rz3i

7 ай бұрын

Don’t, that sounds evil.

@obijon7441

7 ай бұрын

That's because it is.

@obijon7441

7 ай бұрын

It also creates an incentive to increase the number of people being incarcerated, to expand the cheap, captive labour force they're exploiting, as Stephen pointed out they've "essentially reinvented slavery", which goes a long way towards explaining why such a disproportionately high number of the prisoners in the US are black.

@obijon7441

7 ай бұрын

I probably do need to remind some that it's the same billionaire types that run the privately owned prison system, that pay off supreme court judges and donate to political campaigns. Just a thought for y'all stateside to ponder on.

@obijon7441

7 ай бұрын

Let's not forget that it's the same billionaires that own the companies that profit from this new "slave labour", that also pay off supreme court justices and donate massively to political campaigns, tipping everything in their favour.

They're talking per capita Welcome to privately run jails The judges are forced to allocate sentences based on 'room' availability

Isn't ignorance bliss.😂

Some UK Prisons do manufacture products, but they are not allowed to charge less for the product than a firm outside the prison would charge their customer. The revenue goes back into the running of the prison. Most products / services produced are designed to be things that will give a prisoner a skill. So they may produce items, but in so doing they receive a skill, usually with a certification, which makes them employable on the outside. I visited a large prison in Dorset about 10 years ago for lunch, where they had a restaurant staffed entirely by prisoners. The food was all done by them, the service was done by them, even taking payment was done by them. The food was amazing, and all those prisoners were making themselves employable. That said, UK prisons are massively over-crowded and there are constant calls for low level crime not to be punished by prison. Loved you reaction - that is one of the great things about QI, it starts conversations. I think their facts are normally pretty accurate and well researched - I know they have issued corrections in the past if they do get something wrong.

The fact that, in your words, “the Chinese have less freedoms than we (US) do” actually defeats your own argument as that should mean more Chinese citizens are in jail as their government would enforce those restrictions via punishment. The issue is your justice system is incredibly racist and is privatised so there’s an incentive to send minor criminals to prison rather than focus on community orders or rehabilitation.

It's a PERCENTAGE!!! Really not being horrible but aren't you both schoolteachers? The size of the population doesn't matter, there's no "math" to do. I'm bewildered by your response to this.

There are so many in prison because on your three strikes rule. No matter how major or minor the infraction you go to prison. Any criminal justice system based on a ball game has to have issues. China and India has 3x your population each, yet you have a significant number more in your prisons than theirs added together. But he was talking in percentages of the population, so numbers are balanced by population. The highest prison population in the world by far is the United States of America. It's one of the few statistics you beat everybody in. None of them good.

@johnwhear9600

7 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was going to say... three strike rule.

@andywatts8654

7 ай бұрын

It’s not just the three strike rule. In some of americas private prisons the government has guaranteed to keep them 90%+ full. So they are looking for as many prisoners as they have promised!!

@johnwhear9600

7 ай бұрын

@@andywatts8654 That is bonkers, why should there be private prison the first place, he says naively... profit.

@daveofyorkshire301

7 ай бұрын

​​​​​@@andywatts8654So in the land of the free you have a government that has *GUARANTEED* imprisoning people? You have created an indentured servitude class and have government sanction to maintain numbers for economic business purposes. The USA is still the same colony it always was, you just changed the owners... You have 3 million slaves even now who work because they have too, for no real pay, they have no rights, no identity, no social support and they provide an economic benefit to their owners and the nation? How is that not slavery. The USA hasn't changed a bit, they've just modified the language.

@joepiekl

7 ай бұрын

@@johnwhear9600 If you ever watch John Oliver, you'll notice that every story follows the same structure. "This awful thing happens in the US. The vast majority of Americans don't support it, so why does it still happen? Oh, a big company makes loads of money from it and lobbies government to change the laws in their favour." From prisons, to healthcare, to filing your taxes, to food safety, to gun control, to literally any other issue you can name in any area of American life, the story is always the same. In developing countries, it's called corruption. In developed countries, it's called freedom.

Love watching Americans react to vids like this, Straight on the defence, Then the denial 🤣 Then trying to justify the figures,

The biggest difference between brits and yanks is yanks can't take criticism 🇬🇧

@XENONEOMORPH1979

7 ай бұрын

neither can this country neither ,

@obijon7441

7 ай бұрын

No, the difference is we are used to it and can, occasionally at least, recognise when such criticisms are valid and/or deserved, whereas they aren't used to it and have yet to learn that lesson.

@user-fq8rs7rz3i

7 ай бұрын

@@XENONEOMORPH1979learn English please . Ugh

@XENONEOMORPH1979

7 ай бұрын

@@obijon7441 3 strikes you out a good solution.

@phueal

5 ай бұрын

You should see someone talking about the transatlantic slave trade if you want to see a Brit incapable of taking criticism...

Prison is supposed to be about rehabilitation, which is the model many European countries use and why their recidivism rates are FAR lower. In the USA, the recidivism rates are astronomical, because millions of people who do end up in prison for something trivial don't get the opportunity to change their lives. They're pushed through the system as slave labor and shat out on the other side with nothing but ten or twenty years of their life gone and no way to start over.

Isn't it shocking how the US treats it's citizens, prisoners and military veterans so badly? Oh wait, no it's not shocking at all. In fact, it's pretty normal to Americans to treat their fellow humans badly.

Why don't American people know about thus stuff. It's pretty fundamental to their society.

Yes they are a little in denial

We don't have the 3 strikes and your out rule, that's your rule.

They were talking percentage of population, how big your population is does not matter. What the hell do you two, "teach"? 😂😂😂

@user-fq8rs7rz3i

7 ай бұрын

Stop. That’s nasty. They need time to absorb what is being said. It’s quite shocking for them. Be nice.

@fintonmainz7845

6 ай бұрын

@@user-fq8rs7rz3i Ignorance causes nastiness. It is frightening that these two fools teach children.

@fintonmainz7845

6 ай бұрын

@@user-fq8rs7rz3i Telling people to "stop" and calling them "nasty" for stating facts is extremely rude.

@user-fq8rs7rz3i

5 ай бұрын

@@fintonmainz7845 Apologies. I thought your comment was a bit harsh.

@CaptainBollocks....

4 ай бұрын

@@user-fq8rs7rz3iExcept that wasn't the OP lol

It's an old clip , but Stephen's and the QI. teams stats are usually in context and reliable . There are differences in many legal systems and there are always different interpretations , none is perfect . Anyway it's an interesting reaction .

This is the first time you said you should check the facts because you didn't believe the stats that were stated, i get it, its uncomfortable.....

@misterc5783

7 ай бұрын

“I’m not saying these are wrong” was literally said. It’s good practice to corroborate

Do you consider that homelessness/ low minimum wage / limited access to medication and prison systems run for profit may have something to do with the crime rate and the number of people incarcerated???

Sorry, it all true. I would suggest you look into it, because you seem a bit in denial. I get it though. Hard to swallow, I'd be the same.

Boy, the comment section is harsh on this one.

Jimmy cyarr literally says a legal system based on Baseball for 3 strikes and your out. Clearly not talking about the uk

Yes, he's talking about the U.S. I'm afraid.

Good to see you waking up to the reality of your new slave trade.

The figure is based on the percentage of population

He's talking percentage per population we know this because he told us.

Keep in mind this episode is pretty old. It aired in 2009. So a lot has changed since then in terms of how strict punishments are.

@Isleofskye

7 ай бұрын

It's re-assuring to see that Alan Davies wasn;t funny then either though he seems a nice guy.

@user-fq8rs7rz3i

7 ай бұрын

A lot may have changed, but not for the better.

Firstly, I love you guys...now...If you're told from birth that you are lucky to have been born in the country you're living in, then why would you question it? You're not going to fight someone else's war unless you've been spoon fed patriotism, love of a flag, a monarch and the belief that you're free. This is for every one even if you're born in North Korea. Ironically I didn't start questioning this until I saw the American comedian Bill Hicks. Since then having read George Orwells 1984 a few times I look at things a little differently and judge thing I'm told from the angle of Cui bono? Who benefits? I'd recommend people read Plato's allegory of 'The Cave', a carefully curated reality may not be real. Who is telling you? Why are they doing so? Do they have an agenda? It's everywhere these days.

We don't live in a 'perfect' world here in the uk, far from it!, but our legal system, and health system is 100% better than the states, some of many reasons that I am so grateful to have been born here

@ColmPadraig

7 ай бұрын

You saying that we have a better legal system is a joke. We have and have never had any freedom speech in the UK. We have people in jail for owning legally bought books from Amazon

@sandrastuartlake1731

7 ай бұрын

@@ColmPadraig What people?.... and what books? I`m sorry but you are talking rubbish. Are you referring to the Anarchists Cookbook perhaps, a supposed favourite of terrorists everywhere? No one has ever been successfully prosecuted for ownership of that book in the UK, therefore there no one has been jailed for owning it (or any other book I`m aware of since Lady Chatterleys Lover in the 1930`s) unless you can enlighten us with actual facts? The fact that the CPS has tried to prosecute anyone solely for owning the Anarchists Cookbook is perhaps more deeply worrying; I understand the last time was a ludicrous trail in 2017 but a jury quite correctly put and end to that.

@SirHilaryManfat

7 ай бұрын

@@sandrastuartlake1731 Not surprised you didn't get a response from this comment. Some people love to throw around comments that support their way of thinking, but never bother to provide solid evidence when asked.

@paolow1299

6 ай бұрын

I agree with your opinion however it would be more accurate to use the term UK legal systems plural as there is no single system that covers the UK .

Oh Dear - 'Just what they say' - sounds like Fox and Newsmax is Jody's source of information !!!!!!!!!!!!

The numbers are proportionate to the population !

you might be interested to check out a very different prison system, like they have in norway. Its very forward thinking compared to most of the rest of the world. There's a good video that a lot of reactors have watched 'How Norway's Prisons Are Different From America's | NowThis' from the 'NowThis Originals' channel

UK does not have a 3 strikes policy, in case any one hasn't already answered the question you asked. Also I think you might not have noticed that Stephen Fry also said that the 3rd strike rule for any type of further offence only applied if the first 2 crimes were of a serious enough nature. Great that you are taking an interest in QI by the way, quite and sometimes very interesting facts even if they do sometimes stretch ' the truth' to its maximum elasticity.

The 3 strikes is a US thing.

@user-fq8rs7rz3i

7 ай бұрын

Yes, not British.

The figures use the international standard 'per capita' (for every 100,000 of the population). In the US most prisons are a private business run for a profit. There's even been cases of judges being shareholders of prison stocks. One in particular was sending young offenders to a juvenile facility for the slightest reason that he part owned. He was prosecuted for fraud.

They were talking about the percentage of the population in jail. America has been the leader in this category for a long time.

As previously mentioned, a lot of US jails are for profit, so there's very little incentive for rehabilitation in the same way that healthcare in the US has little incentive for preventative medicine. As for manufacturing in prison, I don't know about anyone else but I'd love to be making stuff like washing machines than sitting on my arse watching the clock go around or digging ditches at the side of the road. ✌️❤️🇬🇧

The land of the free with the least amount of free people in it 🥴

Well on the plus side, it's not quite as bad as it was when this show was made. The US is now down to 6th per capita in the world. The UK is now down to 17th in Europe, way down from where it was before.

@gaztl1000s

7 ай бұрын

Potentially though, how much of the change in statistics could that be due to the pandemic, and lockdown where people didn't go out? But as nick said repeatedly in the video, about the number of people who are innocent in prison, that's one of the arguments against the death penalty, an apology years after when the truth comes out doesn't cut it, but if say 1/6th of the prison population are innocent, you can bet that 2/3rd the prison population claims to be, even when found with the smoking gun 😉👍 keep up the videos guys to loving them 👍👍👍

@paulmccloud9395

7 ай бұрын

@@gaztl1000s I know in the UK at least the sentence of imprisonment is given far less. This was to take pressure off prisons and to reduce reoffending rates. While studies have shown this works to some degree, it's created anger in many, especially victims, who feel the perpetrator are given lighter and lighter sentences. What used to be imprisonment turned into suspended sentences, what used to suspended sentences turned into community service, and what was once community service now a slap on the wrist.

@g.d2450

7 ай бұрын

it's only because a lot of states are decriminalising all minor crimes from shoplifting to drug offences

It's the Percentage.

It’s Maths! 🤣

Have you watched Jim jefferies "freedum" ? Lol

‘Thirteenth Amendment, Section 1: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” In an extremely capitalist country, slavery maximises your profits! If there aren’t enough people in jail to manufacturer your goods, you have to come up with a way to make it easier to get people into jail for long periods. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the Three Strikes rule!

Here's a gameshow for ya... "Shooting Stars" It has Vic Reeves & Bob Mortimer as hosts.

There’s a saying it is preferable that ten guilty men go free than one innocent man be found guilty of a crime he didn’t commit. This is inscribed on the walls of the old Bailey criminal court

Imagine what the % would be if they counted all the people shot by police and didn't make it to jail. Also, justice for Jason Corbett 🇮🇪

Its the 1% that is important here. All other countries have way less than 1% of their population in gaol/jail

They forgot to mention something else that's important and needs to be kept in mind. Most prison's are privately owned, they get paid by the state per prisoner for the yrs that the inmate's stay is. They need reoffenders, cos they need tenant's LoL

Statistically, as a percentage the "Land of the Free" has the least amount of free people.

Its % percentage

The UK's prison system has huge problems. I'd rather we followed the Scandinavian models more closely. I think prison should have its main aim be to reduce reoffence rates. I'm not Christian but I strongly believe forgiveness is the right principle to follow. Every case is different of course and this is coming from the perspective of someone who hasn't been the victim of an awful crime so take this with a huge grain of salt. I also think young men (especially black men in the US's case) have a terrible deal - some have no chance from the start and the prevailing culture wants us to accept that. We all need to heal ❤Thanks for this guys! Edit: Also, I hope the comments about not noticing the 'percentage vs raw numbers' don't get to you too much - everyone makes mistakes but not everyone has a spotlight on them - you two are intelligent and reasonable and, sorry for the crude reference, as Kanye said "How can you say they live they life wrong when you never f*** with the lights on?!" 😂 Love this channel xxx

Think you need to watch more than just few minutes clips, they fact check before they broadcast for obvious reasons (they don't want to get sued)

That's the first time i've seen both of you shocked (around 10 min mark) in all the time i've been watching your content! I really like when you take on more serious topics!

We don't have the three strikes thing.

I think in Europe we are very aware of the problems with the US prison system, with a bigger percentage of people going to jail. Most of your prisons are private businesses fed by odd state rules such as 3 strikes and you are out. We frequently hear of people going to US prisons for very minor crimes, compared to here. You did say that places like Iran and China have fewer freedoms, which is clearly true. But they imprison a smaller percentage of their population. What does that say about the USA police and crime system?

English spelling of "jail" (archaic) = "gaol".

Merica 😂

It’s incredible here that in answer to the question,”where are 1% of Americans,” Jodi said, Sweden or Norway. Yes, that sounds right, 3 million Americans are in Sweden and Norway! She then says, without any clue how per capita statistics work, that the U.S has more people in prison because of a larger population, without any consideration, or perhaps complete ignorance of the fact that China has a population 4 times that of the U.S. What becomes clear, is why the American education system is failing when you consider that these two people are both teachers!

In England 0.0001 % are in jail!

There are clever people in gaol, just not clever enough to have not been caught in the first place.

You need to watch some vlogs about how prisons are run in Scandinavian countries

The problem with private companies running Gaol (that is the correct name for jail by the way), is that private companies are, ultimately still businesses who are first and foremost making a profit. It seems that the various governments are not worried how these companies make that profit, or how much they make or even how much they give back to the inmates. In America the same is happening with your health system, where the pharma companies do not want healthy people, they want sick people because that brings in profits for shareholders. The three strike rule is also an American thing, in the UK each conviction is based individually merit and on the evidence presented to the court, the difference being if you are convicted and given say a 12 month gaol sentence, it can be suspended for anything up to and over the original sentence. This means the convicted is given that time to adhere to the conditions set out by the court and if arrested within the timeline of the suspended sentence and convicted again, then the original sentence is added to the next sentence. Life sentences are only given for murder in the UK and not for stealing cookies, no matter how bad any other crimes committed!

I know i'm not the first person to say it but you both would love the UK gameshow Taskmaster. Their KZread channel is also full of clips.

@misterc5783

7 ай бұрын

Yeah. I’d love them to do some clips. But I do think that’s a series better watched in full.

Enjoying your channel guys 🇬🇧👌👍

You're trying to do the arithmetic, maths are branches, arithmetic is one of those branches. _the branch of mathematics dealing with the properties and manipulation of numbers_ When "you say I'll do the math" you mean "I'll do the arithmetic".

@milespostlethwaite1154

7 ай бұрын

There’s always a pedant ready to pop out of the woodwork.

@daveofyorkshire301

7 ай бұрын

@@milespostlethwaite1154 since when is language and meaning minor or irrelevant? If somebody said bike instead of car it's relevant. Well their saying the collective not the activity, and they're saying the collective wrong, using it as a singular when it's a collective. Language is definitive or pointless, and since this medium is at least in part linguistic don't you think it is relevant that it is used correctly?

@Isleofskye

7 ай бұрын

@@milespostlethwaite1154 We used to have a pedant at the racetrack that I attended with the added bonus that Tom was verbose and long-winded.. We used to drag unsuspecting friends over to hear him by saying to Tom "Tell us that story about the incorrect road signs" and Tom would be in his element as we slipped away leaving our victim as a captive audience. He would say something like " I was walking down The High Street to buy some King Edward's Potatoes but they only had Maris Pipers, which I don't like , and I got wet, though they did not forecast rain and...zzzzzzzzzzz 😶

@tobinfolly901

7 ай бұрын

"Do the math" is an accepted idiomatic expression. You correcting it here is makes as saying you didn't rub me the wrong way because we never touched.

@daveofyorkshire301

7 ай бұрын

@@tobinfolly901 in America, but it doesn't make it right. By the way "idiomatic" means natural to a native speaker. So you accept it's limited to the USA? Which has a problem with grammatical, syntactical and linguist rules. Just because you say it doesn't make it right.

"...What Does Per Capita Mean....." 😕

This once again raises the issue of Justice, which is non-existent in the US. A legal system which tends to focus on plea bargaining, allowing known murders to walk because they have struck a deal is not justice, neither is allowing the wealthy to 'pay' for better quality jails when doing time. I am just raising a few 'contentious' things about the US, not aiming anything at either of you two lovely people (don't shoot the messengers). Jodie stated it is hard to fix things when you are such a big country and whilst that is true, each State has it's own legal set-up, so the areas managed and the numbers managed are actually smaller than the whole so size is a small consideration, as the same laws and punishment don't apply across the whole of the US, with some States offering the death penalty and others not (despite the same crimes being enacted)

US is 6th in rate per 100,000 people. El Salvador is first.

In NZ training schemes, often partnered with polytechnics, are run in 15 of our 18 prisons. It's not compulsory to do a training course but many people who have longer sentences can leave prison with a full qualification. Some of our prisons have prisoners, that have shown good behaviour over a sustained period, who train support dogs for people with disabilities. In other prisons they retrain retired or unwanted greyhounds so they can be adopted into a lovely home.

Apples and oranges. Can't compare free coutries like the US and the UK to China or Iran. But the two things that should never be run for profit: Prisons and hospitals.

@renejean2523

7 ай бұрын

I agree. I would add schools to that though. And to a certain degree, public transportation if you want it to be effective and comprehensive.

The three strikes rule isn't in every US state I don't think? But the previous two crimes would have to be quite serious. It is not a law in the UK at all

We don't have three strikes and out in Britain. Not that I know anyway

As far as I am aware three strikes is just the US. and the point was that if the first two are serious the third can be trivial. How many of the institutions actually provide a decent level of education and rehabilitation. I believe a lot of your number plates are made in your prison. A bunch of the UK prisons are (were ?) private, we have a nasty habit of copying you ! Freedom ? Is the freedom not irrelevant to the justice, is three strikes JUSTICE or punitive action against the under class ? If the law is not applied equally to everyone (and the proportions suggest it isn't ?), then is it freedom (Freedom is the same for everyone or it isn't FREEDOM !)

MathS mathS mathS mathS pleeeaassee😂😂great reaction both, even if a little missing the point but keep em comin, enjoy your commentary ❤️❤️

Ist up. Bring back the sexy eyes😂 It's a per hundred .

@andy2950

7 ай бұрын

It's all America.

In the UK the police try not to arrest they err on caution, but it seems that in the US the police simply know there’s a whole process ready to put away anyone and for a long time. Our prisoners cost us a lot of money per year and they are a burden.

Just except it the US is a crime ridden den of iniquity 😂😂

Not all states have the three strike rule, but afaik every state has a fixed capacity and has privatised the corrections system. This means that certain individuals that are less of a risk still remain incarcerated because of bureaucracy whilst other higher risk (domestic violence) get released early due to crowding. The system there is designed to pay for itself as much as possible. In the UK, every year the governing majority will have a quota. At the end of the year or political term courts will either adjust to be more or less strict depending on these three factors, budget, statistics, room in prisons. We started in the U.K to have the three strike rule but that was asfaik for violent crime which is a no brainer.

Stephen also spent some time in jail as a young man, for credit card fraud and writing bad checks etc.

Nick and Jodi, one major difference between the American and British judicial systems is the sentencing policy. If a criminal is convicted of multiple crimes in America, then the court usually gives him consecutive sentences for each crime. Whereas in Britain, if he is arraigned and convicted of - say - five or six crimes, he'll be given a sentence for each one and if that's time in prison, then they'll be concurrent rather than consecutive. In other words they'll all be served at the same time, meaning a convict will really only serve a sentence as long as the one given for the most serious crime. So there's often a feeling that the criminal has 'got away' with some of his/her crimes because he/she has not paid the proper debt to society. Another gripe among many people is the sentencing for murder, murder is the worst, the most heinous crime it's possible to commit. In a very few cases the Judge will impose a 'whole of life' tariff, meaning the guilty person will never be released - except in a 'box.' This is usually reserved for such as serial killers and the details of their crimes are particularly grisly. But mostly a murderer will be given a life sentence and "must serve at least 15 years," or whatever, and this upsets and winds a lot of people up because - although it's unlikely to happen - a convicted murderer could theoretically be released after they've served the minimum tariff that was imposed, and an adequate punishment for the most serious crime has not been served

In Orange Is The New Black, they had them sewing women's underwear

Wow guys. You really have created some colourful comments on this one. 😆

No, the UK does not have three strikes, because our prisons are not run for profit.