I have a Chinese quick change post which really shocked me to find it square but my tool holders that came with it were not true so I put an end mill in the collet and trued them up right in the lathe. That worked extremely well.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Part 2

Before I had my mill or surface grinder, I would remove my chuck and install a collet holder in my lathe with a end mill and dust it off right on the tool post, it work great with light cuts.

@machinist7230

4 жыл бұрын

Broken windmills are a valuable resource - I use the all the time as floating parallels, locating pins, etc. They're generally within 3 tenths of nominal diameter or better, and almost never over. I have one of the small drawers in my Kennedy box at work filled with them👍

@Rx7man

4 жыл бұрын

@@machinist7230 I love how poetically autocorrect got you! I keep them around too.. need to make a custom shaped small boring bar? just grind it into one of them!

All the best for 24 Joe. A retired Scot now in England I thank you especially for this one. Super helpful to me right now helping me with a small hobby threading problem. For those who are a lifetime behind you on a machine shop journey I consider your advice, to be instruction. Every movement you make has a reason and a safety concern within. After a 40years in Air Traffic Control I want my continued hobby with my saws Mills and lathes to be safe and accurate. You Sir help to nail each process right on both targets. ( AND for those who have to be concerned with costs to make a living, I bet your ideas are right on target there too) Thank you for your dedication and passion shared in such detail on KZread.

Once again - another great great video. Joe Pie- Thank You for all that you share and do for the KZread community. You were sweating your socks off (ok- you know what I mean) out there in that heat to make a video for your KZread audience. I Thank You, for all that you do. I always learn something, and you are definitely making me a better machinist.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that, Thank you very much.

It never ceases to amaze me. When I worked up North, every shop had heat in the winter, and was comfortable in the summer. In Florida now and these crazy, or cheap bstrds here won't even think of putting in AC. Its like working in an 1800's sweat shop. If youre running your own place, why be uncomfortable. Put in an AC and work more productively, comfortable and with less errors. LOVE your vids BTW

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

I tell my wife, it gets so hot out there, It will bake the smart, right out of ya!

Good one Joe . Ifanger used to make a threading tool that you could alter the lead angle . I use the chuck face to register the tools as i have a Dickson piston style ' knock off ' from that country , you know the one ! that is totally not repeatable . Cheers .

@tinman5322

4 жыл бұрын

Been there: Regretted the piston style the day I received it. I recommend to every one who'll listen: don't be temped.

@Rx7man

4 жыл бұрын

@@tinman5322 the dickson toolpost is completely different from the aloris (piston or wedge) and they are actually a decent design, the piston pulls back against the face... well, at least when they aren't from over yonder

@tinman5322

3 жыл бұрын

@@Rx7man Jeez another TP design I'd never seen! I swear there's knowledge to be gained by craftsmen at every level on this channel.

@Rx7man

3 жыл бұрын

@@tinman5322 I only learned about it when I bought a lathe with one on it

It's about beer thirty. Sometimes it's hard to remember that our superheros are also human and grab a beer on occasion. :)

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Skunky beer is like kryptonite. Thanks for the comment.

Lathe Envy. Joe, your the : Gold Standard! Thank you. I just got a lathe and I'm looking at your channel as I want to set it up.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much.

Tips like these are gold. Thanks for taking the time to show them

I never thought that the holders would be that far out from the post alignment. Now I'm curious and need to take my tools out and check all my holders.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

You would think they would be closer, but don't assume that. I was surprised as well.

Great tips Joe, thanks... you stay safe too.

Great information Joe, thanks from Sydney.

Thanks Joe. Another great informative post. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺

Larry Collins: You give the best machining instruction on the web by far. Incredible that you find the time to make these videos on top of running your business, spending time with your family, etc. It wouldn't be inexpensive, but adding air conditioning to your shop would certainly make your work environment more comfortable. Thanks for sharing your talent and expertise.

Absolutely brilliant tips 👍Thank you for sharing.

As usual an awesome and educational video! Thanks and I eagerly awaiting next episode.

No b.s. videos. I tell people that you know what you are talking about. I see b.s. videos on you tube guys are trying they think they know, but sometimes they lack requisite knowledge of the subject. You are doing a good job. Personally, I have been working in shop for 40+ years, some as machinist, some as maintenance. I point you out as a guy who is right, pay attention.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that. Thank you.

As usual a very informative logically true explanation. Thanks.

This is good stuff Joe!! Thank you my friend! Cheers, Doug

Excellent tips Joe, thank you so much for sharing!

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

Great content Joe

How can 1200 + people view this video and only 185 like it? Great knowledge as always Joe. Thank you.

@roysmith3198

4 жыл бұрын

Zero dis = all likes

@mecee4516

4 жыл бұрын

I watch mot of my machining vids on a "TV-Box" and it doesn't show the comments, or have an option to like or dislike a clip. super inconvenient.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Could be the device. I'll take zero dislikes, but now someone will hit it just to ruin the moment.

I love the info that you provide. Thanks!

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Another good to know info Joe thank you! Also that stuff we need to keep hearing, at least those like me that get lazy... from time to time.

Thanks Joe I appreciate the tips

Way ta go Joe. Thanks for the neverending dedication to teaching precision.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

"Do it nice, or do it twice"

Joe, you are a brilliant machinist. Just so good.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the compliment.

Thanks Joe, that's exactly what I've been doing for years and I concur with everything you said.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the backup.

Hello Joe, thank you for sharing this most valuable information. It's the small bits of information that are so easily overlooked. I enjoy all your videos and look forward to every new one that you post. Thanks again for sharing and keep up your great work!

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much.

I just love you videos - so much to learn and always spot on! Thanks a lot! Stay well!

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, you too!

All your videos are full of amazingly useful information. Thank you for teaching us

@joepie221

3 жыл бұрын

It's my pleasure

The old saying “you don’t know what you don’t know” is so true. I had no idea these steps should be taken during set-up. I just be-guess and be-goshed it. THANKS Joe

Joe, awesome as usual...I learn on every video..thank yoy for being so willing to share your knowldge

I really enjoy your videos, thanks for the hard work you put into them. I just got a QCTP for my lathe and am very excited to get all my tools set up.

@joepie221

3 жыл бұрын

Its such a joy to just grab one and go. You'll enjoy it.

Greetings Joe. Thanks for some more great info. Sorry about the hot shop. I worked for 25 years at a company that did plastic extrusion( lots of 400-degF extruders) and it was always hot in the summer. The year I retired, they installed air-con. +Thanks for enduring the heat to make this informative video.+ I like how you always say to use that indicator to prove out the setup. I use a 50-year old Clausing 4914 manual lathe and made a brass adapter the other day to mount a new Jacobs chuck to a 14mm motor shaft. Fairly simple drill & ream on one end and drill & tap on the other. When completed, I mounted everything on the motor, the runout was terrible. Figured either the lathe chuck had runout or the headstock bearings were bad or I was just a bad machinist. Since that application failed, a few days later I was going to deploy the Jacobs chuck for another purpose, and I saw the same terrible runout. Turns out even though it was a genuine Jacobs brand, the threaded hole in the chuck was way out of whack. Should have been more confident in the Clausing, and in what I have learned from your videos. Next time I will indicate every component - even the new off the shelf items. Keep the videos coming...

Great Tips Joe.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Gday Joe, thanks for passing along more extremely helpful shop tips, I love these types of videos, take care, Matty

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matty.

Thanks Joe a couple of great tips.... Haven't commented in a while but been watching every video still. Thank you for producing good stuff. Be healthy and safe Bro.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks. Same to you.

Joe, your no BS delivery and rock solid experience are the best. Keeping the knowledge transfer coming! Well Played my friend.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

Mr. Joe, That was exactly what I was asking for, I can't wait to the others in this series. Much appreciated and please keep-em coming. Thanks!!

@stevecothren7527

4 жыл бұрын

I just went and watched the threading video again, how would you recommend checking that set up since the area of the tool with the part number and manufacturer label are will be against or at least close to the bottom of the tool holder. I hope I asked that correctly. Thanks. Steve

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

My left hand holder still uses the correct 2 surfaces, so no problem there.

Thx for the tip Joe! I'll check mine in the am

I like the block on top of the tool holder to adjust the height of the inverted tool great idea thanks

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Works good for smaller tools too.

wow Joe - based on some of these below comments you have a pretty tough crowd watching your videos. I genuinely appreciate everything you take the time to share and educate. Thank you my friend! Joel......

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. I have the occasional drive by, but I believe my community is genuine and valuable. I take the good with the not so good.

@Gottenhimfella

3 жыл бұрын

@@joepie221 Good on you, don't let them wear you down. It's always a small disaffected minority who seek attention with their blowhard put-downs. By being so obnoxious, they give the impression of being more numerous than their actual proportion of the total (and overwhelmingly, appreciative) viewership, many of whom never comment.

I literally just did the comparator test on Friday - trying to do my best to accurately set up threading tool holders to be square. I’ll save telling where I indicated until I reach the end of the video. Perfect timing Joe!

Great tips Joe. Thank you for sharing these. I guess I know what I am going to be checking on next week. I feel for you with the heat. It is currently 98 degrees at 10 PM here in Lubbock but at least the humidity is 18%. Having lived where it was humid I know how much of a beating that can be. Stay safe

Thanks for the video Joe.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

You bet

Excellent video.Thank you

Thanks Joe, every one of mine was out, time for some time on the mill,Thanks.

Always great info Joe,,,get out of the heat,,,what a hot stretch we've had here im MI. Like all the quick setup tips you have for Mills and lathes,,,do more,,use the dial indicator for many parts I made the other day for my boat.

Hi Joe! That gem at the end will keep the machine, compound and jaws, looking great and running smooth! Plus it makes anyone in the know recognize a pro operator! Good stuff! I have a bunch of the Chineseium qcth and I've dusted that back surface on all of them! (.003" to .007" out) I have a Dorian tool qct post and it is spot on so it was well worth the effort! Thanks for your time and sharing! 👍😎✌️

I did Robin Renzetti's compound delete trick a couple of years ago. Life changing. I might use the compound once or twice per year to cut a taper (and it's a pain to swap back to the compound), but the amazing rigidity in compound delete mode is worth it.

Good tip on the insert holder. You win the hottest shop award. I was 95F and 80 percent humidity in mine today.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thats a tough combo. Call it a day early. When its going to be super hot, go in a few hours early. My peak heat comes around 2pm.

Hey Joe, more great tips and insights of your experience, Thank you

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Love those top notch holders, I have a couple LH and a couple RH that I’ve slowly acquired on eBay. I’ve found they work well for flipping over for reverse threading to a shoulder. This video made me realize I need to do a better job setting them up. Typically I just square the holder with the face end of the part, that may not always be adequate. Thanks Joe.

Joe, thank you for my insteaks I was able to correct.... via your lesson.....you are a sensationell teacher just great

@joepie221

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for that.

As always, Great job! Thank you! Ed Hicks

Great tip for setting up QCT, also the more you use, know and rely on you dealing equipment, the better you get at figuring out setups down the road. Trust me.as an infrequent user it is best to practice the difficult tasks now so they don't deter you down the road. Have a beer Joe, you did earn it with one last tidbit of teaching to end the day, cheers compadre!

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

thanks for the continued comments. The beer was most welcome.

Excellent video!

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Great pointers Joe. I can’t work in that kind of heat so I have AC in my home garage shop. Thanks for making the video. Stay healthy.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

It will bake the smart right out of ya.

@stancloyd

3 жыл бұрын

@@joepie221 Here in Phoenix shops usually get swap coolers. Good four months of the year. Employers usually don't push hard over 100 F. The brain fallibility goes way up beyond that. When I retired, I installed AC in the shop and solar to power it.

thank you Joe!

Good stuff Joe, I do the same steps.😎

Very good vid. I rarely post but wanted to say really easy to understand and alot of good information.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that! I hope you'll come back.

Advanced Innovations Shop Upgrade To Do List: Shed behind building for air compressor.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

#2 -- Giant A/C unit

@SandBoxJohn

4 жыл бұрын

@@joepie221 Advanced Innovations Shop Upgrade To Do List: (Revision 1) #1: Giant A/C unit #2: Air compressor shed

Awesome! Thanks Joe.

Unloosen, love it! Ignore the naysayers! Another great vid, thanks Joe!

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thats a very common word in NJ.

Good to know about the built-in angle. I never noticed it.

Hello Joe, I like your videos you are quite good at getting the right information across to us. I am a hobby machinist in my spare time, I have been watching your threading videos and I have been trying to apply the threading away from the chuck methods, tooling has been an issue. I have an EMCO maximat super11 with the FB2 mill attachment, 120 volts, it is ideal hobby machine for my garage. Well thanks for all your wisdom and inspiration. I found a threading and grooving tool for ID/OD made by MESA, I thought i would mention it to you as with my AXA size quick change tool post i have tool size limitations. LOL I can't believe i am telling you i have tool limitations.. Anyways I will be putting it to use when it arrives. Stay safe, From Oakville Ontario Canada Keep up the good work

Hey Joe on my compressor most of the noise comes from the intake. My solution to excess noise was to plum the intake into another room.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

I'll check into that. Thanks.

I been indicating cutoff, grooving and Aloris threading tools Joe for sometime now. It is indeed good practice. BTW I like these shop tip style videos. I always learn something, today I learned that the tool block and inserts are at an angle. I just started using insert thread boring bars like your Kennemetals, I am going to purchase some external holders as well soon. you can bet I will keep this tip in mind...Cheers

Can't wait to see the next video. I have a good idea of Hou you are going to machine the tool holder true to the block, but will wait to see your solution. As always, great video.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

I bet you are right.

Thank you for your information and a format that. A novice can understand.

@joepie221

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I try.

Great video, looking forward to pt2! I use the multifix QCTP pinned down and found the original AXA holders very repeatable. I however have some Ch holders that need Your treatment if they are to stay in the shop... Never occurred to me to mill them in the lathe, that is a great idea.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Its hard to do on a quality holder. They are glass hard. grinding is the way to go.

Btw Joe, no disrespect intended there with the unloosen comment. Just having fun. Love your videos. Just starting out in the world of machining and learn something new and valuable every video. Never time wasted. Have a great day. Enjoy the cold one

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

No problem. My viewers know to expect me to sneak that word in when I can. Its an easy way to weed out the new guys. :)

i can imagine many, including myself, making the mistake of maybe thinking our toolpost is square and true to the chuck and tailstock when its not, so for me that assumption, though it should be common sense, will be corrected today, though the lathe will need attention if a different kind as well thanks for the tip and reminder

@joepie221

2 жыл бұрын

Make sure you check the banking surface inside your tool holder where the tool registers after setting the post true. I have 2 that I have special ground to assure they are spot on.

@jacquespats2128

2 жыл бұрын

thanx Joe

Like the AL block with the screw that extends the height adjustment range. I'll be borrowing that idea! :)

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Simple and effective. Glad you like it.

great lesson , thanks

Hi Joe! Thanks for the tips. I spent an afternoon "cleaning up" the rear registration points on some holder when I got my lathe, (Precision Matthews 1236) had to clean up the bottom also; the tools should not rotate when placed in position. Just a few thou, but I'm kinda anal that way. Thanks again for the tips. And it about the same heat here in Orlando, I just hope that you have less humidity. I remember being in Tx when it was OAT 103-105, felt like 85 here, due to the humidity. Best wishes, and good health to you Sir!

NIce info, Was at the coast for the weekend and it just as bad here. I was indicating the wrong surface.

Joe!really, i keep my shop around 74 deg's ,it's worth the expense ,i don't dread being in there all day ,also thank you for time.

Great tips

Joe , You just hit one of my pet peeves. You don't unloosen anything unless what you intend to do is TIGHTEN it.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

We got one. I unloosen anything that is tight. Ask around.

@ronwilken5219

3 жыл бұрын

Another chain "yanked". Literally.

nice tips, thanks for sharing... wow, that is hot!!!!!

Thanks for another slice of Joe Pie.

Thanks Joe, as always great video. I use an Aloris too with lots of cutters and threading inserts. I get my Aloris square with a 1-2-3 block between my chuck and the Aloris. I checked and the chuck is dead on so the tool post holder is too. I set up all my tools with their dedicated holder. I don't machine the back of the holder I just set up the tool with the 1-2-3 against the tool in the holder and the face of the chuck. I've never had a tool change position in its holder once it's locked down well.

@fredgenius

4 жыл бұрын

I too use a 123 block that way, it's quick!

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

That method also registers against a tool surface not intended to be true. Think about it.

@mosfet500

4 жыл бұрын

@@joepie221 Thanks for the reply Joe. Perhaps I didn't explain it well enough. First I get the Aloris parallel to the chuck then I set each specific tool insert holder while in the Aloris parallel to the chuck so the only error is from the insert to the tool holder itself. What I will do is put a test indicator on the insert holder when I go down to the shop later and let everyone know what I find.

Nice trick thankyou.

Thanks for sharing.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Just 'graduating' from old Logan to my 'new' 15" Clausing Colchester and absorbing all that is Joe!

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Great machine. very capable. I wanted a 15", but this one was a deal I couldn't pass up. Good luck.

Joe . I use Full Profile inserts for a given thread pitch and a standard profile for thread chasing and so on .🐤

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thats a good practice, but can get expensive and hard to keep track of.

Excellent video seems like a good way to dust off the back of the holder would be an endmill in a collet in the spindle. I beat the heat by installing a mini-split air conditioner, it has made a huge difference in keeping everything from stock to machinery at a stable temp and humidity. I have almost no problems with flash rusting on everything from high humidity.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

I filmed exactly that, yesterday afternoon.

@WeTrudgeOn

4 жыл бұрын

@@joepie221 excellent!

@Kaboomf

4 жыл бұрын

I was going to post the same suggestion. I squared up some dinged and abused toolholders (got my lathe used, I think it was used in a school) by making a holder for an endmill and using the lathe as a mill. Height adjustment on the toolholder served as a vertical slide for what little elevation adjustment I needed.

It was 99 in my Weimar, tx shop today too.

300 Likes, 0 Dislikes, and it's Beer:30 Thanks for the tip... have a good weekend!

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a win to me. I'm out.

Thank you!

@joepie221

Жыл бұрын

You bet!

Love your video. Very informative. I was in in the trade for 10 years before going to school for other stuff. Pro tip: Use Vs Utilize Why are there two different words? They don't mean the same thing. Utilize connotes an off label application. Use is good for most everything. Example: "I utilized my boot heel to drive the tent pegs." compare "I used the polled axe to drive the tent pegs." These days almost no one knows how to use those two words.

@Rx7man

4 жыл бұрын

So he's utilizing the word utilize?

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Thats why I'm a toolmaker and not an English teacher. Let me know when you want to split hairs over a deep trig problem.

@fishoil2158

3 жыл бұрын

@@joepie221 I'll have to use my CAD package for that one.

thanks joe

Great vid Joe, you guys need to visit me in phoenix AZ, temps today are 117, shop is 62 degrees,....I bought a Mr.Cool 3600btu AC unit,.....Bring it on!!!!!

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Ahh, 117, but it's a dry heat. Yea right. stand in that dry heat for 8 hours and you'll be crying for a bullet. Every degree over 100 feels like 10. Will that unit cool down a 2400 Sq ft. area?

@zumbazumba1

4 жыл бұрын

@@joepie221 if you put enough of them it will ! Might take 10 of them ,but it will. . . :)

@dcobel60

4 жыл бұрын

@@joepie221 2400 would be a struggle for the 36000 model, remember 2400 SF is actually 24,000 CF if your ceiling is 10 ft ! The AC will keep the shop (10,000cf) below 70 degrees anytime the OAT is 100 degrees or less, the secret is in the insulation and also pulls the humidity down to 3 percent from 60-80 percent, I can certainly work in conditions like this, and my equipment doesn't rust anymore during June, July, and August hi humidity!!

Good job. Another way, loosen the tool post, place a 1,2,3, block between the post and clean chuck face, hold tight with carriage, then tighten the nut.

@joecnc3341

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely a great idea - thanks for sharing. If nothing else - it sure gets you very very close.

@Rx7man

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, I do that, if the chuck isn't big enough, put a piece of scrap in it, face it off, and go against that

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

For speed, I start by extending my tailstock, locking it, and push my block against that. Then I indicate it.

@ellieprice3396

4 жыл бұрын

@@joepie221 I've never indicated my tool post after pushing against the chuck but now I will to see how accurate it is. Thanks again for your excellent instructive videos.

I indicate my toolpost with reference to mounting a drill chuck to be able to drill with power feed. It's mounted in a cylindrically clamping boring bar holder. I don't thread much yet because I need to build a threading dial first.

@Rx7man

4 жыл бұрын

if you don't disengage your halfnuts but rather back out the cross slide, then reverse feed the lathe back to your starting point you don't need it

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

You have to inline and on center for that. Sweep the block outer surface and then tram the hole.

With those lay-down style inserts, you can get alternative anvils to adjust the helix angle. That's what I wound up doing to be able to use your backwards threading trick with one of those tool holders. You need a left handed tool holder, a left hand insert, and a reverse helix angle anvil to -1.5°. Unfortunately, if you get the anvils mixed up, it can be real devilish to get them sorted back out. The way I wound up doing it was laying them on a surface plate and then scanning the top with the tip of the DTI. By comparing the tip with the projection to its neighbor on the side with the projection, you can determine whether it's sloping to the left or to the right. The slope is only a few thou.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

I've used the side mount 'Top notch' kennametal insert and holder for every thread I've done for the last 30 + years. Never had an issue regardless of the pitch or setup.

If you do this religiously, I guess it's time to take that holder to church! Good stuff as always.

@joepie221

4 жыл бұрын

Always helpful to have a little divine intervention.

Ty Sir 👍