15:50 - I imply here that the spirit of seeking reactivity and curiosity is something that people get "too old" for, and I'd like to clarify: you are too old, after a certain point, to seek reactivity for reactivity's sake PARTICULARLY from people. There's nothing wrong with taking apart a computer, figuring out how it works, and trying to put it back together, but at that point the desire for reactivity is coupled so strongly with the desire of wondering how the computer actually works, that if you were asked, "why are you doing this?" you would respond with "I want to know how it works." THAT spirit of curiosity is something that should be cultivated and kept in the soul forever. But pushing people's buttons for the sake of pushing people's buttons, knowing it goes nowhere positive, and being okay with that? No, that is never a good thing, EVER. Hope that clears that little part up :)

@the_neuron

Ай бұрын

What if you were a shut in for 20 years and have to learn how to opparate in socoaty for the first time?

"Some folks is just evil, ain't no point in trying to explain it." -Arthur Morgan

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

very, very few

@WrathfulCrane10

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake and most of them are tf2 bot hosters

@FranchoMT

24 күн бұрын

they are bot hosting because they want the attention that their parents diden't gave to them

Some of the smaller ones are just trolls doing things for the lulz. But the bigger bot hosters are definitely what I would call malicious people who derive pleasure from the misery of others and find contentment in spreading that misery. Some people might go so far as to call that "evil", but more of a petty, low-tier sort of evil without greater ambitions.

@exocept1998

Ай бұрын

They tried to get someone killed by making a bomb threat to their school using their name. Not some petty nuisance anymore.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

I actually learned from a directly connected source that, though they hated that guy, they never did it. it was a lone cheater that impersonated somebody else. it's hard to tell, considering how limited the info really is

@thenewguyinred

12 күн бұрын

@@LordSiravant I’m sure that deep down inside these people are lonely and miserable nobodies with not much purpose in life, and so only motive is to make everyone as miserable as they are.

TLDW: They peaked in high school.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

hopefully they peak later in life, when they grow up

@64_three

29 күн бұрын

nah they peaked in elementary school

@soryforbadenglesh2550

25 күн бұрын

​@@military_snake they are irredeemable, they should get life behind bars lol

@military_snake

23 күн бұрын

@soryforbadenglesh2550 I won't go that far. I refuse to believe that there's that many people who are irredeemable. are there that many who actively resist the truth? yes. but I hope that, at some point, that changes.

I think it's somewhat worth mentioning that the resources and loops that bot hosters have to go through in order to keep bots online and having them avoid VAC is enough proof that it's probably something more than just simple internet trolling. The amount of resources that are required to maintain and operate ~94 bots or so is a bit of an economic hole, we've seen Chinese CS2 bot farms that take up an entire room full of computers to run ~40 or so bots. Not mentioning the occasional updating of code in order to bypass the rare (yet, atleast a short time after release) effective bot updates that come out. A simple internet troll would've given up after realizing that 20 bots are too much of a hassle to keep running 24 hours, and that the cost of operating them wasn't worth the negative attention from the community of a nearly 2 decade old game.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

agreed! and then those "simple" trolls would make fun of the hosters for wasting their time hosting, just like they make fun of people who stick with an "old outdated game"

@yaaqelo

Ай бұрын

It's far easier to host TF2 bots than CS2 ones by using virtual machines and tf2 textversion. In any case, these are sad people that shouldn't be given attention.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

@@yaaqelo i ain't gonna ignore the problem, matey

@yaaqelo

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake I didn't mean completely ignoring the problem. VAC is really what should be addressed, shitty people will always exist and generally don't deserve attention. You do you though

@dark_mage2

Ай бұрын

I was under the impression that there was some form of economic advantage to this kind of thing. TF2 was made free-to-play which removed one obstacle, with the marketplace and item trading for real money and prestige providing an incentive. Though I have not touched TF2 in a long time, I thought the only 'free' way to acquire more items was to have multiple accounts playing games for random drops, which is where I thought bots came in. Perhaps over time the bot situation evolved towards something more malicious, or out of some kind of grudge or resentment against TF2 itself and its players, but in regards to trolling and sadism, it seems far simpler and with a far greater reach to spread toxicity on social media instead of wasting time with a game.

They get reactions from saying things like "Its a 20 year old game, move on". A sort of nihilistic outlook on gaming and activities in general that is especially prevalent in regards to TF2. I've seen this sort of behaviour on 4chan, and some of their associated forums as well. They don't cheat, or at least most of them don't. But they essentially say that shit to get a rise out of people who take their hobby at heart. Proof of this is that, if you reply rationally, they will say some very virulent thing about your statement and resort to name calling. Playing TF2 IS a hobby. This mentality of "Old thing bad, move on" is very much anchored in video game culture and nowhere else. Because a system/game is old, you must move on from it like companies do. Deriving from, I believe, the memories of the console wars which has now been mostly silenced because of the samey-samey feeling of every console in terms of capacities. But now people apply these to the games solely. And the reason why TF2 is victim of that kind of mentality is because of two things; 1 - Valve shat the bed with MYM, which diminished their interest in it (As Chet Fal confessed). 2 - Because of a lack of development, nihilism arrises because the community feels as though they are abandoned by Valve. 3 - TF2 Players are, on average, very easy to rile up. They have a sense of candid optimism fueled by the imagery of their "glorious past" and nostalgia. Trolls get a fucking field day out of that. So now they streamline cheating because its easy to do. Because it makes people angry and they see the playerbase as pathetic for keeping on playing. Its basic sociopathic troll behaviour. Justifying their mentality as mere cheap fun. But imagine, the very same trolls trying to disrupt the flowing of games like Golf, Soccer or Basketball. These games have been around for ages, and yet people still play them outside. What's the point of telling people to stop? Yes I know they're not video games. But in my eyes, it's the same thing.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

agreed on every point, particularly the last one. this is a HUGE point in the mega video I'm making, and it just might be a video of its own, because there's just that much to talk about.

@commscan314

Ай бұрын

Chess has been around for over a millennium and has evolved constantly into the game it is today alongside many variants. Chess is almost two orders of magnitude older than TF2 and YET STILL HAS A LARGER PLAYERBASE. "Old therefore bad" would turn someone into a laughingstock when uttered to any other community.

@sorrydudebros

Ай бұрын

As another 4chan user who has used it to talk about #FixTF2, accurate. They're allergic to rational thinking and discussion, it's only about bringing you down to their level by seeing you try to debate them. Eerie how people optimize every conversation, every action to be as annoying as possible

@lotion5238

28 күн бұрын

I think Valve should consider reverted a few of the changes from MYM. Allow alltalk to be voted for, and can be opted out of in the settings. Give people back the ability to swap teams during a game except during certain times (about to end a round etc). Just admitting their mistake and promising to resolve the big problems it caused would instantly make them more respectable.

@shitpostazzi

19 күн бұрын

wonderful analysis, you really hit every spot on why bot hosters do what they do.

First of all, thanks for fleshing out this carefully scripted vlog, and I'd say this was one of the most thought provoking videos i saw in a while. Your reminder of being civilized when writing comments, is encouraging for people like myself who are shy upon sharing thoughts. Watching it from start to end has enlightened me upon things I was not aware of. Addressing the bot-cheater crisis and the potential psychological reasons behind, can indeed invite us to have a sort of empathetic reflection.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

absolutely! thanks for the high praise :) exactly! I used to be like most in the community who thought there was no mercy for these people. now, after studying their conversational tactics, mannerisms, and their minds throughout it all, they just appear like broken children. as one who's trying to marry and have children of his own, it's quite the lesson on potential things to NOT do when raising them.

i love how he politely calls them dumb kids, lol

Honestly this behavior of theirs resembles addiction, as we've seen with voice-spam bots some people are willing to put themselves into a worse state of life just to get a rise out of people. It takes up so much of their life and I almost feel bad for them and the state their in. Almost, as they're not willing to get help for their addiction, and i think that sucks, for us, but for the bot-hosters most of all.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

truly

This video has gotta blow tf up dude this is great

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thank you so much!! share it around with other tf2 players if you'd like, I'd greatly appreciate it :)

Surprisingly educational video, I thought a lot about human curiosity a few days ago and how it drives us to do exactly what we're told we aren't supposed to do, but I didn't realize all of cheating (in non-competitive settings, at least) could really be summed up just like that. Good work

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it!!

I wasnt expecting an extremely detailed conversation like this but you put it together really well and have good evidence to back what youre saying up. Love how you mentioned growing up watching kids develop as your experience on the topic. You earned a sub. Also extremely based you talked about religion without fear.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thank you very much!!

What's interesting is the standoff between players and bot hosts. Hosting consumes capital (time, processing power, money, etc.). If players don't exist, no one would care and hosts would only be hurting themselves. If the bots didn't exist I'm sure the tf2 community would come back. It's a standoff between who gives less of shit. The hosts care about wasting their capital and the players care about the game. Will the hosts stop because it hurts them or will the players stop because they don't care to play anymore. But you can't kill off a game that's withstood decades of play and you can't stop hosts without stopping the players. The only thing I'm thinking is that bot hosting is just irrational and the people who do it are just evil.

I've had run ins with particular bot hosters such as Sydney and Cowhook and I make videos about cheaters so those that are curious can be somewhat more educated on how to spot and deal with cheaters. For a while I was in one of the semi-major cheater servers and they would just talk about doxxing people and what gamemode each of them were going to be putting their bots in today. They know that they have no place in internet society so they themselves have to bring that society down with them. This video was a very good explanation of their mentality and this is why there isn't really much we, as players, can do to stop them. They need help they are never going to get and since there are no "adults" (valve) around to stop them, it festers continually until the whole (fixtf2) makes an outcry for help.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

couldn't have said it better myself! i also had the opportunity to interview a bot hoster recently; part of a major video i'll be releasing soon, but it was an hour forty-five of just talking about the nuance of it all. it's sooooo interesting.

@CheatersAreLame

Ай бұрын

I try my best to stay away from the bot hosters because they are a particularly unhinged bunch, some of the cheaters I've posted about are their friends, I was worried that Sydney was going to try to give me the Max Box treatment for a hot minute. Will be looking forward to your mega video because I align much more like you, wanting to see the nuance of both sides and such.

@JaxonElzinga

Ай бұрын

Sydney is a pretty funny guy. He streamsnipes losers.

@exocept1998

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake why even consider them worth talking to? it's done to death and they're all a bunch of pathetic wannabe murderers

@Whenwhereeverywhere

Ай бұрын

@@JaxonElzingaso himself?

We can pick the game Niko Bellic, but we cannot change the rules.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

that's a reference to something, I'm sure, but i'm unfamiliar

@bitterman213

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake you should play GTA IV :)

15:13 Broo, that's exactly why during the leafyisdikhead era everyone was saying Kay Why Ess but wouldn't say it IRL. Because it's the epitome (at the time) of the maximum possible egregiousness people could think of at the time that wasn't possible over the board. Obviously there's small friend groups that use it amongst themselves. But it's rarely ever taken out of the friend group because it's such an awful thing to say. 19:00 wow just in time.

@D-N-0

27 күн бұрын

the fuck is Kay Why Ess?

I love how in-depth you went with this, I might enjoy listening to that large essay if you ever make a video about it.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thanks!!

Very interesting and well-thought out take. I recognize a lot of these patterns from certain imageboard and forum trolls I had the misfortune of interacting with back in the day. This sort of unaccountability that breeds more and more sociopathic behavior. Suddenly you don't mind saying the most outrageous crap that would get you punched IRL, suddenly you don't mind doxxing people for daring to call you out and throw shade at you, suddenly you're spamming text walls of deranged babble on purpose, commissioning extremely degenerate rule 34 to spam, scamming said artists you're commissioning from and bragging about it while also blaming other people for it, trying your absolute damndest to destroy this small niche community you once joined in earnest, because you want to be the one who took it down, you want to be the boogeyman. All while trying to seem like you're one of the guys, like you're not all bad, you're just having a bit of fun after all. Because you also want people to be stupid enough to play devil's advocate for you. I don't miss dealing with those people. At all.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

"it's just a prank, bro." "we do a little trolling"

Super cool video, you seem like a super cool guy, and the humble common sense you exude tickles my brain. Subbed!

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thank you very much for the sub and the compliments! means a lot :)

This is a good video, it gave me a better idea how these trolls and whatnots work Thank you

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

you're welcome! thank YOU for watching!

You have a great future as essayist! Very insightful take.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thank you very much!

This man is spitting factual statements right out of his mouth hole. Specifically regarding the development and change of the human brain

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thank ye kindly, sirrah

@griffinschmunk7512

Ай бұрын

@military_snake additionally, when you mention depression for those that do it for attention, this harms individuals who actually suffer for depression by enforcing insecurities as they do not want to be grouped with "them".

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

i made it very clear, i thought, that they are two distinct groups. if i didn't, let the record show here that for those who ARE in actual depression, you have my sympathy. i've simply had too many bad experiences with fake "depressed" people, so i admit to some mild skepticism towards them.

we got a surfer

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

wat

@The_TableSpoon

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake i was making a joke of how all surfers have long hair

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

ooooh lol

@OgBeastyBoy41905

Ай бұрын

@@The_TableSpoon I'm a surfer as well

@bongo104

Ай бұрын

​@@OgBeastyBoy41905 are you the guy i play tf2 with? lol

this is great. now i'm looking forward to the big essay.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

i'm glad! (also your name, snake eater?? you'd better not try eating ME. i'm a military snake, after all!) there might be one more video to "tease" the release of the major video, as the script has begun writing itself again and has evolved into something EVEN LARGER than before!! for the same of upload frequency, I'll probably release something within the coming days explaining yet another paradigm I wish to discuss in more detail.

@snake_eater1963

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake sounds like it's coming together well, i'm a big fan of this well spoken type of content lol. (don't worry, i won't eat you. but if i wanted to... i wouldn't tell you.)

Very interesting video, honestly very thought provoking, and kept me engaged for a lot of the video. My favorite part was a t 11:01, very insightful.

@DinkyKnag

Ай бұрын

But honestly i admire the mentality to let that stay while knowing it wouldnt detract from the overall message.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

lol truly the best part of the video thanks, though! yeah i just figured staying as raw as possible would maintain the genuine nature of the speech, hence keeping the stutters in. kinda replicates talking in real life, raw and from the heart (or as much as it can be when using a script as a reference)

@John-jc5hw

Ай бұрын

oh yeah thats my favorite part too!

hi, i know a few and i've asked them this and im 90% sure it boils down to its funny seeing peoples reactions

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

i've heard that testimony too. this is the "digging deeper" as to WHY they'd find those reactions funny. stuff always operates on a higher psychological level, even if the "subjects" themselves are completely unaware of it. you'd be amazed how unconsciously your brain operates at high levels.

@icecowsun

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake thats probably true but again, from what i've heard its just for fun

this was honestly perfect ❤

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thank you!!

really good video! I’m surprised you don’t have more subs!

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thanks!!

bro really did an entire sociological analysis on why people troll/bait/cheat/host bots, and was right on everything. You really gave the complete answer of a question I always asked myself these years of people hosting troll bots who would do everything to provoke players. Thank you!

@military_snake

19 күн бұрын

you're very welcome! I'm glad people still enjoy deep dives lol

(You look awesome)I think it is just their way to have fun. I remember reading the book named "Filth", main hero here was enjoying every bad thing he did. I don't know is it right to compare simple bot hosters to pure evil, but maybe they just also have fun like this, at least in this game

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

it's a pretty twisted view of fun, man. there's a whole 'nother philosophy talk about just that.

Great video! I enjoyed the more clinical take of this script.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thank you!

damn this video is hella good i had to sub bro

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thanks!!

I remember the days where "trolling" was mostly just mischievous pranks, silly posts, and stupid comments for simple laughs. Some people simply don't get the rules of pranking. There is a line between "trolling" and straight up harassment, where it's actually targeting innocent people by causing legitimate problems for their own sick amusement. It's not even funny at this point. These bot hosters aren't trolls at all. They're losers who have nothing better to do. I am glad they're being banned. Honestly, the days of "classic" trolling are still there, it's just not in the main spotlight anymore. It's too bad that some people forget that and will resort to stealing it. Edit: Forgot to add something for the first bit, and added another paragraph.

@military_snake

19 күн бұрын

me too

very interesting watch, good take

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thanks!

Great intrigue into your thought process on the what where and why of bots! Honestly surprised I got to recommend this video though, cheers.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! I hope my future videos on the matter will be of the same caliber of quality!

Great video. Though I do want to mention that the hosters have also tried to kinda sugar coat it with the idea of hating cheaters. One hoster has said that they started because Valve has refused to do anything to cheaters specifically since 2014 and that they want to be like their own hero alongside wanting to piss off the "Legits" because of the NSFW and other unethical and just down bad awful content that they spread. Of course, this is hypocritical and is incorrect but I feel like that could make a great video idea as a sequel or something.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

it's a key point in the mega-essay I'm making. I'll definitely address this as clearly as I can then!

I have been blessed by youtube reccomendations and watched a man spit out facts for almost half a hour

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

:D

@endythecat8409

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake keep doin' what you're doin' mate!

Dude ignore all the hate you get, this is an amazingly fleshed out video with tons of great points and a lot of info! Honestly, good job with this! It’s nice to see an actual in depth look at cheaters instead of a 8 minute video with a few misc topics!

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thanks so much!! it's comments like yours that keep me goin' :)

This is probably the most common idea of why they do it, just explained it that actually gives us the top and bottom of it. Great, thanks. Like, you explained it in a way that also gives us an answer to why anybody would want to be evil. No questions left unanswered. From here on out it's just about reading about every unique case and seeing where they fit in. Like you said, trolling has become this diluted term that is both applicable to some buffoon who posts provocative messages on discord and online script kiddies, ergo bot hosters, which begs to be deserving of its own term because labelling something that is between a misdemeanor and cyberterrorism just "trolling" doesn't communicate the severity really well. Or I suppose it could just be me thinking that virtual equivalent of vandalism is more serious than the real thing. I'm tired of it going unpunished and treated like it's nothing.

I do a similar thing to what you did with monopoly with chess, where I have Stockfish play against itself in my opening repertoire (Most often the King's and Vienna Gambits, but also stuff like the Bishop's Opening, French and Tarrasch Defences) to see what the optimal play is. Of course this is entirely for line analysis and effectively expanding my mental opening book, not actual employment in games.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

ye my brother does that too. he'll fight himself to figure out what he does wrong and even run simulations

@commscan314

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake I think that everyone does so for analytical purposes as an approximation of perfect play, now that computers play far better than humans at everything.

Such a great video. As an autistic person with the tendency to always conceptualise things as narrow cases of the more vast picture, this is exactly the type of content/style of commentary i'm hungry for on youtube

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

well, down the road soon, there'll be a LOT of that type of thing, so I hope you stick around for it! thanks for watching :)

A bit late but, this vid should be titled "TF2 Bot Hosters: A Socio-Psychological analysis"

Trying to be civil and respectfull while explaining why bot hosters host bots Because they have no loved ones

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

I mean, if you're gonna put it THAT way...

@denifnaf5874

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake by that i meant noone loves them

Great video and very underrated overall. Do you think it is also because they want a sense of control in something because of their mundane life even if it means to ruin a game for everyone?

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

now THIS is quite the good point! had i thought of this, i'd probably have added 5 more minutes to the video! it kinda ties in with the whole point i made about how "neglectful parents" cause children to have ambiguous, if not void, moral compasses. thus, of course, they feel as though they have no control over their lives because no adult figure was there to teach them how to properly control the situation. there's no parent to be there to comfort and instruct the kid if they're bullied, and thus they BECOME the bully because their brain doesn't know what to do. so what does it do? it defaults to the primal instinct: survival of the fittest. clearly, the bullies are the fittest because they show the most dominance in the surrounding areas. so in turn, the cheater bot hosters BECOME the bullies by controlling the situation with an iron fist. in a sense, the only people who aren't affected by the bot crisis are the botters themselves, for they ARE the cause. I could talk more about it, but there's SOOOOOOO much there. still, an excellent point, thank you very much for bringing it up!!

Honestly, some of them are really just sad, lost people, for example leadscale, a bot hoster who does what she does solely because she likes the misery of others and wants the game to die. In a sense, non of the bot hosters are evil, that’s to grand a title, they are just sad people, who can’t find happiness in themselves without making another person miserable, and I fear what will happen once the game is boycotted, they’ll either find the joy in being kind, or will continue a path of mental decay that will leave them more miserable than the people they annoyed ever were.

@military_snake

23 күн бұрын

it's difficult to say. such malicious intent that goes unpunished for too long tends to never heal. then again, all they do is scoff at the very concept of being broken. they'd just call ME crazy

9:22 Ok, ok... so let little Timmy drink the Windex, that'll do better in the long run...

@military_snake

17 күн бұрын

NOOOOOO WAIT

11:00 oh yeaahh brother let it ALL out!!

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

this is the third comment on the burp lmao

@John-jc5hw

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake mhm, and WE ALL LOVE IT

Oh god please turn off the salty chicken's texture filtering.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

the...what? lol are you referring to my poor camera quality? because I'm afraid that's as good as it gets for me

@fadedgames1

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake It's in the settings of your gzdoom settings.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

@@fadedgames1 oh.... but i like my settings

@Armolitskiy

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake if you like to play vanilla doom why play gzdoom then? use prboom+ or DSDAdoom

@fadedgames1

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake Think about your viewers' eyes!

russian moment

thumbnail says it all

Come to think of it, one of my teachers was a machivellinist.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

W H O A

@quinnmcmurtrie8022

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake I don't know honestly. I guess he just hated me. My parents and friends keep telling me to not go and serve him justice.

I'm poor and work my ass off to make a living, I live in a poor country that's becoming worse to live in each day. Playing Team Fortress 2 is one of the few things I do to distract myself from all this shit, and there's people out there investing time money and resources to ruin the one fucking thing I like. I can only wish the worse for these vermin, anything they have done to them, no matter how terrible, is justified and right.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

I understand the sentiment, my friend. but I cannot condone violence towards them. I have learned that some, SOME, are just like you, and some are just like me. I side with you on the second paragraph, but there's gotta be better ways than resorting to unbridled rage

nice hair dude

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thenk

25:11 There, saved you 25 minutes.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

well, that's not very nice! what about my retention charts? muh algorithm??

@gloriousblobber9647

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake I love the internet!!!

The way I see it, these people deep down inside are extremely lonely and miserable and don’t have much purpose in life, and so their only motive is to make everyone else as miserable as they are.

@military_snake

12 күн бұрын

I'm sure there's a few for which that's true. however, it's imprudent to generalize to all of them

@thenewguyinred

11 күн бұрын

@@military_snake Fair enough point.

I mean this as respectfully as can be managed in a youtube comment: this sounds like an essay from high school. I not sure this is even a criticism.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

HAHA you're right about that! I guess I never did change my writing style very much, thanks for noticin'!

@wooblydooblygod3857

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake personally I think you should lessen the analogies, like a child drinking windex or whatever, they don’t add much especially when repeating and just pad the wording. But if that’s your thing ig do it. Just feels needless to me.

Valve, if you're gonna make a new multiplayer game right now, you need to give us a GOOD reason for us to have faith in that you can maintain the game, because I am absolutely NOT seeing it with your neglect with TF2. If you cannot fix a bot issue in a 17 year old game, WHAT ON EARTH are you gonna do when bots come to Deadlock????

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

yup. and double that for CS2 also. they're still not fixing THAT bot crisis, either, and that's on a much larger scale

@Labyrinth6000

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake True that! Edited a few things on my post.

@AgrimarYT

Ай бұрын

Can only hope Valve treats it like TF2 so it can last 17 years, saying as this is a bad take with bad logic, it would better to say how long the bot issue has been around for vs development support of the game, which as an argument will only get better as time moves forward. TF2 has already been going far past its prime and with or without the bots the player base is a shell of its former self; for relevance on social media and such, the bots are probably the best thing to happen (sort of) for the game. CS2 itself has systems in place actively working against cheaters (and bots if there are any), they even have dedicated partners for the reintroduced Overwatch; either the systems are too slow (which VAC originally was designed to be) or the cheaters are too much.

they are bot hosting because they want the attention that their parents diden't gave to them

@military_snake

24 күн бұрын

maybe

I've always maintained that those who do things like host bots or cheat in online games are simply broken people. Just a blatant disregard for their fellow human beings. Sure it's "just a game" but that's really the only thing stopping these people from doing bad things in the real world - that they have this outlet that requires minimal effort and invokes minimal risk. The same psyche in other circumstances becomes animal abusers, serial killers, rapists, etc. They're not the kind of people you should ever trust IRL to not screw you over. I guess we should be grateful that they're "only" ruining a game for people just trying to play it. I mean it's still a really bad thing to do, but at least they're confining it to a game?

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

I pray that you're correct in that it's only confined to a game. if it wasn't, I'd be quite worried

This video was made with extreme asbergian detail

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thank you

Praise Valve the heretics purged.

@military_snake

28 күн бұрын

for now, for now. hopefully it continues!

Bro refrenced the fall of man

@military_snake

28 күн бұрын

it all ties together, stay with me now

i clicked thinking this was a doom vid :c

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

woops!

nice shed

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thanks! it's quite homey :)

It's fun

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

mmm... I've heard this quite too many times

@time17552

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake Probably because its true. (for some people)

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

@@time17552 you seem to misunderstand "fun", sir

Fix TF2

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

#FixTF2

Forget the rest of the video. Nice hair bro 0:38

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thanks lmao

13 siblings is insane??

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

everyone says that lol

holy fukn waffle.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

...is that good or bad?

@moistenedwall1003

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake bad, imo. the vid's extremely ramble-y and kinda hard to get through with how much you jump around, but that could just be a me thing. Either way, talkin about the bot issue is a good thing, so keep it up either way, dont let me getchu down,,

BECAUSE IN THIS WORLD. ITS KILL OR BE KILLED. MWHAHAHABABABABHAHSHSH

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

i suppose so, but man, what a rough way to live!

@salt-d2032

Ай бұрын

uh no

So.. mentally sick.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

sorta, yeah

Bro what

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

yes

May i ask why you live inside a wooden box?

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

you may! it's a garage: a garage built as a separate building from the house, and it's my "office space" for myself and my father. it's just how the setup happens to work out!

It's just a game bro 😂

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

the only reason I find this funny is because I know you irl lmao

why is bro playing doom ☠

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

cuz I like it

@watermeloneatergaming

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake understandable have a great day

Sorry but this is a Waste of a video, Everyone can think one what they see going on in TF2 and speculate that they are doing it for fun/ exploration of what they can do mixed with their own version of uncaring or out right delight at others suffering. What we need to know is what started this for them, how they continue doing it (like costs and what they use to run them), why they make more bots, and why keep going for this long when the community's reactions is up and down in how much they react or care anymore. And what keeps it fun and engaging enough to keep them hosting. Basically I want to know The How and the Why from the bot hosters, not someones personal views passed of as inside knowledge in their thinking/ "interconnectioness"

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

I did mention that it's not entirely sure how this kind of thing starts. The best I can posture is a mixture of upbringing and social environments. If they were raised well but had bad friends, or had good friends but bad parents, either one is just as likely to produce such a person. The best I can do is study their minds and, through the making of this video, come to those theories, but that is all thy will ever remain as: nothing more than theories. Unless you were able to divulge the whole truth from one of them (and trust me, that is a difficult, if not impossible task), then the REAL how's and the REAL why's might never be answered. I do not know what drives a person to sadism and sociopathy. But what I do know is that it is these traits that cause them to do what they do within this game specifically, and what causes many of their similar mental faculties to throw similar experiences upon other people in other games, lives, and mediums. But as for true origin? We may never know.

y'know sometimes i forget that you don't look like the sniper from team fortress 2

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

lolololol

Do you live in a wooden box?

@military_snake

23 күн бұрын

a garage lol. ehen we moved in, the walls were never done. this wood is all we can do for the time being

this is allreligious speculation. None of this is really looking to understand who bothosters are or what they gain/enjoy out of it, and it all just ends up being stereotyping, mischaracterization or weird ramblings about vague internet topics related to bothosters and bothosting, but where does it engage with the bothosters themselves? what are we supposed to gain out of this video?

@military_snake

19 күн бұрын

understanding of human minds different from yours, so that you can behave accordingly around them with upmost discretion.

@edgrininnesfortin

19 күн бұрын

​@@military_snake no, there isn't even an "understanding of human minds." This video is entirely just speculation.

@edgrininnesfortin

19 күн бұрын

@@military_snake You're referring to the apple of the Garden of Eden as if it's conceptually the same thing as multiplayer hacking; you're relationship between old video game cheats/modification and newer multiplayer hacks or, specifically, mass bot-hosting doesn't even bring light to what TYPE of bot-hosting or hacks they are, what they do, etc., and why hackers engage with this. You also falsely associate and speculate psychological conditions onto the behaviors and reasons why hackers do what they do without any psychological scrutiny, just kind of...speculative social psychologist dribble, on top of literally the fucking CATHOLIC CHURCH. This isn't just a "different understanding." This is speculative and lacking in understanding. I'm not here to police how you think or what you talk about...but when you claim to be of utmost discretion in this "understanding" and half of what you talked about was not even connected to bothosting, it's dishonest and disingenuous towards every concept you're talking about here

Make sure you don't use the wrong words! Make sure that you use a dictionary to find descriptors that fit as closely as possible because, if you don't you WILL sound like an untrustworthy corrector that uses a broad vocabulary to trick others! (just a bullshitting conspiracy theorist) Use/ try to sound the least like these people! it helps. :3

@B0xF0xplays

Ай бұрын

My opinion: Don't limit these people, Variation within a species is good! Just enlighten ones self to ignore, counteract, and avoid their ploys. In fact use ones knowledge and, furthermore Power to use those of tomfoolery for ones enjoyment. (Swap the roles) learn to live and benefit from all that your environment gives and hell, benefit all you enjoy while you are at it!

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

i misunderstand. is this a criticism of my speech, or just a helpful reminder?

@yourunclejoe9500

Ай бұрын

What could this gentleman possibly be waffling about

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

literally no idea. is this the result of ChatGPT trying to come up with an intelligent comment?

@B0xF0xplays

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake Are you insulting me?

No, they're just attention seekers. 😐📸

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

indeed, but WHY are they attention seekers? the bigger picture, my guy

I'm a cheater and I've hosted a small amount of bots in the past. The reason why I loved doing it is because it's cool to see things work. I love to change the config and make the bots do stupid af things. One of my favorite things to do is melee scout. It's funny to see them all swarm a player like mosquitoes and beat them to death with their bats. I even had some bots have pans specifically for that. Also dominating a server with sniper bots is just really fun. I guess it's the feeling of absolute power for that.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

honest stuff, i appreciate it!

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

also definitely attesting to subtextual points that i make more explicit in the mega video coming soon. also addresses another comment's point, pretty cool lol

@Quiver333_real

Ай бұрын

Yooo, I ran into pan scouts on Harvest like 2 times, it was more hilarious than annoying

why do you live in wood

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

it's a garage entirely separate from the house, and this is just the walls that we have. it used to be worse; the insulation used to be entirely exposed lol

Wait, seriously? I was watching your video with all interest, untill... ORIGINAL SIN? At 6:50. Like, dude, i get that you like talking about this stuff, but if you want to do an objective analysis about why people cheat in TF2, theology might not be the best way to go about it. I say this as a Christian myself, but hear me man, it has no place here. You should not bring the Bible and these silly concerns together like that. Come, hear me man, i will tell you how it is. Whatever is possible, man will try to do. If cheating is possible, it will happen. Why? Because if the first individual does not do so, another might, and they would lose their advantage. This is a game of logic, no religion has to be involved here. Why bring something so holy and special into this tub of shit called TF2 youtube? Come on. Have a good day.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

that's why I reframed it for non-religious minds with the notion of childlike curiosity. I should have home more into depth about how that stems from possible primal origins, but somehow that didn't occur to me? that, and why NOT bring something holy into the tub of crap? goodness knows it needs more of God anyways, however small doses He can be injected in ;) just my funny little practice

@BrohoshaphatG

Ай бұрын

In a conversation about why people do bad things, it's hardly out of order to spend 20 seconds referring to the first time people did bad things. The Christian narrative, if it is true (spoiler: it is) affects everything.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

@@BrohoshaphatG true that, brotha

30 minutes of slop just to explain how online trolling works. Could've cut it down to 5 minutes.

@zepzep4423

Ай бұрын

I despise people like you

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

yeah, but everyone else does that. that's boring.

What a lame attempt at psychoanalysis and sociological analysis.

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

what a sad pfp

@MingusDynastyy

Ай бұрын

@@military_snake FLCL is cool, bro 👍🏿

@BananaHoovyJ.Rabbit

Ай бұрын

Okay. Do it better then.

@MingusDynastyy

Ай бұрын

@@BananaHoovyJ.Rabbit Nope

Nice Metallica shirt right there 🤘

@military_snake

Ай бұрын

thank you!