Pushing CNC Machine Speeds to the Limit
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TITAN Gilroy talks to his guys about how to run the cnc machines faster, which means saving customers money and getting parts out quicker.
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I love coming back to these older videos just to see how far you and your team have gone! Truly amazing! Thankyou for sharing your knowledge for FREE with the world! 🙏
Hello Gilroy , i wish when i was machining my bosses had such a positive and exciting attitude with there employees like you show in your video At 59 years of age my machining days are past , but i believe that your passion demonstrated can only elevate your work force towards a higher learning and a corporate passion for excellence that can only excel your company , all the best man .
Well yah its Aluminum . Also when you cut fast and hard you always put stress / pressure risers into the material . Try making super precision items like that OK for roughing , not for finishing . Also spindles hate high loads and so do ways and ball screws ! Every job requires a different approach. Coming from a collet maker .
@TheChrisey
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the faster you go the more flex you get. Spindles definitely hate high loads, ways can take it if it's properly lubed and free of contamination, but ballscrews can start flexing and cause even less accuracy.
there is nothing I love more than seeing endmills fly that fast with a huge depth of cut.
Lol look at your load. It will also equate to down time for spindle repairs and axis drives.
@TheChrisey
3 жыл бұрын
This is definitely true.
Welcome to how its done across the world. 1000in/m isn't unheard of in mild steel or aluminum machining.
@nickrockz97
6 жыл бұрын
User Name you'd never be able to use those parameters on high alloy steel
@bretteur2legende
6 жыл бұрын
Nick Rockz: Impossible with a Haas machine. But not with a Real VMC (from Germany...)
@Lorgoth117
6 жыл бұрын
Or Japan...
@ChefofWar33
4 жыл бұрын
Yah. Im sure you milled mild steel at 1000 in/m. lol
Thank you! I have this problem, and now that i have seen this video I understand the need for faster machining. I will whip out my feeds and speeds book and begin learning.
Never thought I'd watch CNC propaganda hahaha
@SuprSi
6 жыл бұрын
haha I thought the same... although I think anything that comes out of the USA is propaganda these days!
@UshouldTryReality
6 жыл бұрын
These guys got it going on! I wish I could pull off 1/2 this efficiency! Don't be intimidated/scared/offended by American Pride! 🇱🇷
@BrendenMulhern
5 жыл бұрын
Jealous much
@pedroLasVegas
4 жыл бұрын
USA movie you know 😅
@FEV369
4 жыл бұрын
@@Brad-lt6mr impossible... the East has moved into a dictatorship, they will once again explore killing their poor in mass through starvation. America (was) great because we didn't over regulate, now we are so over regulated people hardly understand a world without regulation that exists only to enrich the Government. The Government kills and pollutes more than anything that has ever been. Government is the Mafia, it seeks to keep their citizens impoverished and educated with old archaic ideas. But you are correct, we need to work smarter VS fall for the trap of Government welfare to oppress us all.
He said in the video, this is the roughing program. I optimize all roughing programs at every shop I go to when I see how slow they’re running.
TITAN's now has became my idol for me to raise again and re-start a new cnc machining business and pioneer an advanced level in Advance Machining Facility in my country Malaysia.. He's totally a genius in CNC's machining world!! Thank's Mr. Titan.!
Good demonstration of the speed/cost comparison. I've never seen it put this way side-by-side it makes perfect sense
Titan has some of the best work ethic a man can have. I’d be proud to work at his company.
Hey Titan, thank you for putting out all of these videos. They have helped a ton even with my small CNC router.
The second part did depth cuts which was completely unnecessarily especially at 100 ipm. You need to compare apples to apples.
@garrettmesser3977
6 жыл бұрын
Richard Hugo I agree, 800ipm vs 100ipm. Pretty easy to figure out how much time difference between the two without using a different program
Its good for save time and can increase productivity but as well as it will increase tooling cost.
He is just plugged the hell out of imco tools...and as an employee I appreciate it
Love your passion Titan... you rock!!!
I love this guy! Respect!
Your team made me freedom,thanks you.
Every now and then I want to unsubscribe just so that I can have the pleasure of subscribing again! Titan, you are my hero! I have purchased my first VMC, a HAAS Sminimill that was delivered just yesterday and it is all thanks to the information that you are sharing and making it more approachable for an average person like me. Thank you!
This channel and its content, is the perfect example of a decadence in machining industry ...
I have been playing with speeds and feeds this week . Got my machine to cut at 20metres a minute . Seriously fast
Your way of teaching me is very unique. Ty to be a part of it. Keep up ur good work 😎
I love this guy's attitude
Though I'm a Brazilian who lives in Japan, I'm always inspired by the American Spirit! Thank you TITANS!
Good to hear the spirit of build it here include some "how". Good stuff!
Your tools are gonna get dull very quick if you keep going those speeds. Your not gonna have good toleranc after a few runs.
@hamsteaks5541
6 жыл бұрын
lenard ggor No. The problem lies with the machine, crap CAM sofyware AND tooling. There are monstrously high dollar companies running 120IPM with tiny ball mills all day, every day 360 days a year and making money for that reason.
@squatch570
4 жыл бұрын
@@hamsteaks5541 Yeah 120IPM... NOT 800IPM. That's definitely going to wear the tooling fairly quickly and put tolerances at risk along with putting stresses in the work piece which will in turn compromise the tolerances on the back end. Notice how the Inconel was still only running at 70IPM... because Inco destroys the tooling and heat stresses (even with steady coolant flow) will distort. Anyone can run Aluminum at 800IPM but that isn't going to happen with harder metals.
try 800 ipm on steel
It’s been 30 years since I was a cnc machinist in the U.K. and we used to run high speeds where we could back then it’s nothing new
assuming the cnc machine can handle the increased workload. most companies don't want to overwork the machines... machines are depreciated over a set number of years/hours. if you are putting more work on the machine, you may be reducing it's effective lifespan... especially the tooling. so all this cuts into profit, which squeezes the competition. sure, you can sustain the business model, but can smaller shops that don't have that type of money for investment? food for thought.
The man has a very valid point. Cannot begin to tell you how many times I've seen people running a half inch end mill taking a sixteenth of an inch axially and running sixteen inches per minute on twenty horsepower machines. If you are not going to use the twenty horses, save some money and buy something smaller. Also, no matter how much of a hotrod you think you are someone out there is doing it faster. I know of a LOT of Haas machines out in the world that are over ten years old than have been run at their peak most of their lives and still run well. If Haas machines were as bad as people say they would not be around anymore. How many Hyundai machines (Same people who make the cars) you see out in the world? None. They sucked.
@sn0w_gel597
5 жыл бұрын
Finally someone who gets it
thankyou for your idea.
They’ve a great machine shop...perfect business
When having slower IPM you get a finer finish and much better looking sides, running it hard and fast adds so much spindle load and wares the drill much faster and increses the chance of something going wrong and it being bigger than if it was running slower
Like it mate would love a job in your shop live in the uk and have my own small machine shop just low volume but love your machines quality
Titan is correct about adapting to newer technologies. This video demonstrates the difference between newer waveform machining vs traditional profile machining. Waveform is far more superior but it comes with a price.
every one of those dudes watching, watch parts get made at the same speed literally all day. this isnt new to them lol
Oh yeah?? Well I bet you can’t machine *INSERT OBSCURE MATERIAL* at those feeds!!! Folks, this video is promoting a MINDSET, not “run 800ipm on everything!” Titan has plenty of videos on machining hard metals quickly. Also, aluminum is ubiquitous in aerospace. There’s nothing “garage shop” or “small-time” in making money machining aluminum.
I like your made in America message! If you can follow speed with quality & precision then you will have a winning formula!
I like that winner attitude nice shop BTW! I am a professional welder and I love your videos
Super speed machining with a Haas, cutting aluminum. LOL.
@centechken1
3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it was a joke...
I can imagine at higher speeds there would be more vibrations and increase wear on components, although these machines look well built
I'm a hobby level machinist and also like to run as fast as possible. I never really noticed any wear on mine but it doesn't really run that much, I am wondering how much more you spend on maintaince or replacement parts.
VERY WELL SAID!!!
Good work!
I try to teach this to my customers , machine to the limits of the machine, spindle, and tooling.
Love what your doing with machining can't wait to get my hands on my first cnc mill
All these pros down in the comments saying he’s going to fast and he won’t get good tolerance. You can easily just slow it down for the final passes, he’s showing how easily and fast he can make the big cuts and save large amounts of time. New cncs can just handle this now he’s still doin it in 2020.
@brandons9138
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Finishing is where you hit your tolerances. Roughing is just that, roughing. Get all the extra material off the part so you can finish to print. If the machine can't do 800IPM with enough accuracy to leave a decent finish allowance then you might need to make some changes.
Titan's message is contained in my book "The Economics of Speed: Machine Speed as the Key Factor in Productivity," Springer 2020.
I know this is old, but how does tooling cost come into the equation? I assume you use higher end and more expensive tooling, but also the tools might wear faster and need to be replaced more often, or just faster since they are removing more material faster too. I'd be curious how tooling costs figure into the cost stack. Thanks!
Beautiful!
Lmao its not even the same program
@pharaun159
4 жыл бұрын
Ikr? I have nothing against going fast, but his point was skeewed when he changed the doc AND feed. Its like..."oh i took my foot off the gas on my muscle car, and now im going slow... Thats why you buy Maserati." Lol
@byganza8060
4 жыл бұрын
its the same product, but the first program is his "aggressive" version. the second file is the "typical" version. i agree that he couldve exagerated how slow it is, but it does look pretty typical
@OversikerSTUDIO
3 жыл бұрын
I think he just wanted to show how 100ipm looks like in person and say its not about machines Its about mentality.
I'd like to see the the Mitsubishi machining center at work do that on chromoly steel.
What about a Bridgeport? My hand can only turn so fast? Lol
@nicktaylor5819
6 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately pal you're talking a different language to these button pushers
@RaybanDude1
6 жыл бұрын
Salty Steel now I finally found a real Machinist
@madcowrebel4216
5 жыл бұрын
@@RaybanDude1 these guys are machinists and the products they put out are consistently more accurate and more diverse than manual machines can ever produce. You guys are skilled, yes. These guys are useless without computers, yes. But don't bash them because their trade is different. Let's keep it sensible guys. Different skill set.
@outkast187
5 жыл бұрын
You need to hook two power drills to it, lol.
@HTXrondo
5 жыл бұрын
Nick taylor lmaoo
Amazing
CHATTER IS NOW A FINISH. LOL 🤣
@WCGwkf
6 жыл бұрын
I think it was just a roughing pass
@bbarker5766
6 жыл бұрын
He did say that was a roughing pass.
@MrSwimmster
5 жыл бұрын
Clearly stated that it was a roughing pass... I know attention spans are short as fuck these days, but Jesus... Love when people talk shit and yet weren't even listening... Way to make yourself look like a fucktard... Lolol
TITAN way to go.
Good job, I need to know operate these cnc machines expecially lathe.
Amen brother. Your doing good things. Yes your losing money up front but saving your customer money. That customer keeps coming back. Spending money at your shop. Short term lost long term gain.
In Germany we say aluminum is not an enemy. Good chanel though
I like to see such video with steel
true stuff.
Sweet surface finish...
cost is only dependent on runtime when you either produce a whole lot of the same part in mass production OR decide beforehand whether you want titanium or something else. I dont get why they can charge the customer less money by milling a part for 2 minutes instead of 4 or even 10. preparing the whole operation for these parts and doing the hand labor takes away most of the time and employees salary anyway. This show is hilarious though. they tried to make a cnc milling shack a cool thing like OCC or whatever. and all these people are standing there talking and watching the cnc. wtf is this. saluted for comedic effect because i cant help it
Do you use the vernier caliper or depth gauge? Check tolerances? Does the tool ever get hot and change shape?
Yes sure you can do that or I’m saying you can go faster who care it’s good for a show but not when you have close tolerance and you need to change your Machine every couple years 😂😂
@Icutmetal
4 жыл бұрын
rotciV Baboie If you have to change your machine every couple of years, you bought the wrong machine.
I fucking love you. What did I just see. He is so right we as a country need to adopt that philosophy. I saw the craziest graph the year; stating that we as a country consume more than we produce, due to overproduction overseas.
Hav u try same speed on ti or superalloys?
@outkast187
5 жыл бұрын
No, because they are not ignorant. Different materials run different speed.
Must be the only guy in the world who makes a profit by charging his customers less LOL Keep up the good work mate ;D
Nice dude
I run 40 ipm 1500rpm on my manual mill! I would run faster but I'm maxing my power feed out...
My dude!
He is 1000% right don't deal with cheap labor, increase performance
Titan cleaning house!!!
I would like to know what kind of tool(Diameter-End mill) are you using and from which company and you can achieve feeds at 800ipm.
How these speeds can be applied to finishing tools?
Tool wear, and spindle wear. You can push a machine to it's limits great, but look at the cost per tooling, and possibly a spindle failing.
@Resistculturaldecline
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, pressure and wear are directly related. Maybe a company running blinding travel speeds and deep feeds can save enough to offset the overhead increase from tool wear. I don't know those depths of cost of operations analysis
How Would You Run a Corodrill 3" on 410 SS or Super Duplex SS.?...I want To Push it like You Do.Thanks
SFM of 2000 is feasible for Aluminium 308 (5-8% Si) with a 0.5 inch dia tool, and this gives an RPM of 15280For Aluminium 308 (5-8% Si) roughing a max. IPT of 0.02 is possible. For a 0.5 inch dia Carbide tool with 2 flutes, it means that: IPM = RPM x IPT x number of flutesIPM = 15280 x 0.02 x 2 = 611.2 The only way to achieve 800 IPM is either by increasing the SFM or the number of flutes
great
PUSH IT FASTER!
What tolerances are you holding?
I was hating on you for a while then I realized that you're only manufacturing a small percentage of all that is being manufactured in United States I hope the best for you
Adding the cost of tooling as well ???
We've an old Mori-Seiki that can do these speeds/feeds quite easily. Utterly reliable. It's nothing compared to a DST Ecospeed F though. 11 cubic litres of swarf removed per minute when roughing at full tilt
@MarkVickers1
5 жыл бұрын
"Cubic litres" - WTF??!!
Titan - in the academy of CNC videos, you're using Fusion. Here and in other videos, your shop uses Inventor. Can you talk about one vs. the other?
@TITANSofCNC
5 жыл бұрын
We have both and Inventor was from older videos... basically Fusion has Inventors vase but Autodesk is throwing way more into Fusion. It’s the Future!
I like!
Did he wait a bit before grabbing that machined aluminum part? It must have been hot as hell? Did you say .200 inces radial cut? Nice video.
I think a few others have mentioned it but pushing your spindle load like that has to result in breakdowns and therefore, down time. From what I saw, it was almost always over 100% and sometimes 180%-200%. How do you deal with that? There's a gun stock manufacturer near me that uses Haas machines and pushes them like that. They replace them every 5 years because they're completely worn out by then. Is that your approach too?
@zaknefain100
5 жыл бұрын
Really depends on the industry you're working in. For me, 5 years is a decent ROI on a machine, because I can turn around, sell, and still get a fair price for it. Technology changes fast enough to warrant that in the industry 'we' work in. If I asked you, would you like a money machine that prints 100, $100 bills a minute or one that prints 200.. you'd probably be less concerned about replacing the faster machine twice as often.. especially if it's a lease, which 99% of machine tools typically are.
Sir can you explain how to make a semicircle in G18 zx plain using G02 or G03, actually when I am working it is cutting v shape, not working with cutter compensation. So please ans if any possibility in hand programing.
20k rpm at 1500 Ipm on a Cincinnati milacron 5 axis 3 spindle
I want to learn about the life expectancy of cutting tools on a cnc.
Hey its christopher agian i just wanted to say somthing about running fast n aggresive befor i got to the shop that im at witch is MEC they were running my machine at 30% i came is n cranked it to 120% and running my travel speed at 4951 IPM witch i cant go any fast but i have tryed trust me iv tryed to enter in 10000 IPM LOL
I LOVE ALL THE COMMENTS. running aluminum at these speeds is normal and if you invest in good tooling they have pretty good life as well . My problem with this is -i would like to see someone show me how they are high speed machining tool steels M2,D2 ,A2 O-1 ECT. I also get the whole saving time makes money but tolerance and finishing comes into play as well -this is a video that is only part of the information -NOT ALL the information.
In a few months we get a new machine .... Emco Hyperturn 110 or something a similar machine. I will have so much fun 😁😁
Is that the same guy from boyd coddington American hotrod?
i was conventional mill operator at Boeing late 70s. they pushed for speed. BUT they NEVER complained if you broke a cutter.
Do you have the cad? Would like to see what i can get it to with feeds and speeds and tools i know work ( pretty sure i can beat it)
Wow Good video
why is his hand on the stop button?