Ive defended this game, but that is damning evidence for a totally broken "simulation"

@aironex

5 ай бұрын

But you can play it just for building a beautiful city, not only to have the well managed one.

@AvanyaNersil

5 ай бұрын

Not really. If the city has relied on public transportation for a long time, a lot of citizens likely don't own a car. If they don't own a car, they can't drive, so instead they're walking everywhere and will buy a car (assuming they can afford it and cars are sold in the city). On top of that parking matters. A city designed with public transportation in mind likely doesn't have a lot of parking, which might make walking a better option for a lot of citizens.

@komvolt

5 ай бұрын

@@AvanyaNersil That only makes sense if a cim walking 10+ hours per day to and from work is possible and has no adverse affects on the simulation, which obviously it would if the simulation was actually good.

@SoloNit

5 ай бұрын

@@aironex You can have both in CSL1, you can play a city painter game AND still have decent traffic-transport simulation. They somehow messed that up.

@lwgshane

5 ай бұрын

​@@SoloNit- You also have access to a myriad of assets from both the base game and currently superior steam workshop (only time will tell if PDX mods become superior or not). It's insane that CS2 shipped with 1 path and 18 trees.

As a train driver, just the mention of our four enemies send shivers down my spine..

@armand1259

5 ай бұрын

I didn t get that one, can you explain?

@wfb.subtraktor311

5 ай бұрын

​@@armand1259 The joke is that in Germany trains are never on time for absolutely insane reasons no matter the time of year. In summer it is heat, in winter it is cold, in autumn it is storms and in spring it is probably magical unicorns messing with our trains.

@bobtahoma

5 ай бұрын

@@wfb.subtraktor311Well, to be fair, it is REALLY hard running a rail network in countries with massively variable weather throughout the year and there are probably not many countries where it’s tougher than Deutschland. HOWEVER, you’d expect the Germans to be at least better than the Brits…

@wfb.subtraktor311

5 ай бұрын

@@bobtahoma Switzerland and Austria have way worse weather and geographical challenges than Germany and their rail is superb. It is simply a matter of underfunding and all the CEOs of DB being ex-car-industry people who definitely want rail to be a valid and successful alternative to cars and trucks.

@hdaviator9181

5 ай бұрын

@@wfb.subtraktor311 Well, look at the bright side, at least you have rail.

I didn't stop at public transit, I deleted the entire game.

@messiermitchell4901

5 ай бұрын

Weird flex but ok

@gijskramer1702

5 ай бұрын

Hows traffic now?

@terrellrogers7645

5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@AzyumardiSuntana

5 ай бұрын

​@@gijskramer1702 nonexistent 😂

@asdc2076

5 ай бұрын

Best solution!

Good to know that I designed a whole underground Chicago loop for my city for literally nothing

@draig8259

5 ай бұрын

Here's an even more scandalous secret: we play video games for literally nothing as well.

@marcpaulus6291

5 ай бұрын

@@draig8259 Thats bullshit. You play video games for entertainment, recreation and sometimes even for education. Its like saying you play in a football team for nothing.

@thomasrial4444

5 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@draig8259yeah no. -all reasons stated above -socialization -teamwork experience/exercise -problem solving -creativity -prevention of boredom -prevention of mental deterioration -hand eye coordination training I’m gonna stop there. Exercising the brain is just as important as exercising the body. Both are a major cause of people not getting very long to enjoy their retirements. Lack of mental and physical health leads to rapid deterioration of both when someone doesn’t need to go into work every day

@thomasrial4444

5 ай бұрын

@@draig8259your way of thought also ignores 5500 years of board games

@draig8259

5 ай бұрын

@@thomasrial4444 All right, maybe I should actually explain what I meant, since I gave the impression that I'm anti-gaming. Scotty seems to view designing a public transit system in his world as a waste of time, because it doesn't actually improve the traffic, but is apparently just a cosmetic feature. The thing is, the entirety of a Cities Skylines world itself is just the same thing: it's a cosmetic simulation that we engage in for our own enjoyment, but all its effects and properties are completely self-contained. If you deleted your Cities Skylines world tomorrow, or your Minecraft hardcore world, or your RDR2 save, or what have you, then nothing would change about your life - not really. Playing Cities Skylines in the first place is as much a waste of time as designing a public transit system in Cities Skylines that has no effect on (imaginary) traffic. So, my point is that really, Scotty designed a replica of the Chicago Loop in his world because it was fun to do, not because he was pursuing the purpose of reducing traffic in his world. It would be cool if public transit in the game actually affected traffic in a realistic way, but the game is fun regardless, and the point remains about having fun rather than solving problems (since the problems are not real). Hopefully that makes a bit more sense.

As a programmer and modder, I'm really interested in this game because there is a deep simulation built into the game's code. But most of it is either bugged to the point of not working properly, or designed in a very weird and illogical way, probably to cut down on development time?? For example, with the HumanNavigationSystem, if there is a huge traffic, no transport line nearby that connects with destination, and the destination is too far for a walk, the citizen will just... abort the task altogether? Imagine if you decided to not go to work because there's too big traffic lol. To me it feels unfinished, like there was supposed to be more added there, but it never was before release. Another weird thing is working while attending school. Basically if Student has low economy worth compared to fees they need to pay, they will try to find job, or drop the school altogether to find a job. It'd be fine on it's own, except that "economy worth" isn't money, economy worth is literally every signle resource that belongs to the Student's Household. It includes car, books, medicines, basically anything that's a resource. So if the student doesn't have enough money to pay fees, but the worth of their resources is more than the fees, they won't look for job, but they also won't sell these resources, resulting in them not paying rent and being evicted from the house????

@bd95382

5 ай бұрын

It has me wondering if they built an "imaginary" sim, that just kind of self manages the city without caring about details, so that other devs could work on the game and debug while the "imaginary" sim runs things, giving the devs in charge of making the sim time to flesh the simulation side out. But then they just never turned the "imaginary" self managing simulation off while trying to integrate the more fleshed out simulation on top of it. The devs seem convinced that code for things like the supply chain work in the dev updates, but people still seem to get a lot of weird interactions with the supply chain. Not really a dev, though I do have an IT degree. Just seems like they accidentally built two completely different systems with totally different levels of simulation detail and stuck them together in the same game.

@BD-yl5mh

5 ай бұрын

I mean, this could work if they just made it that peeps would lose their jobs if this happened consistently. Then you’d see really bad transport networks reflected as high unemployment

@erkinalp

5 ай бұрын

"Imagine if you decided to not go to work because there's too big traffic lol." Some people can actually afford to do that.

@Superboy-jx3zv

5 ай бұрын

Well they probaly wanted to implement all that but like with every big game, it can never be released when its finished, aparently they just need the profits 1 year earlier

@docolemnsx

5 ай бұрын

I've not played or bought the game (yet), I have a feeling it's still under heavy development. I'm curious how it'll be like in a year.

That poem in the end got me 😂

@chillenium

5 ай бұрын

ya gotta love Imperatur. Whoever said Germans can't be funny is wrong 😏

@Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulm

5 ай бұрын

​@@chillenium Working with Germans revealed to me, that they are actually very funny despite the stereotype; and, like British, have two humour modes. Deadpane sarcasm or raunchy loud 😅

@yajae26

5 ай бұрын

That poem had me chock on my coffee lol

@chillenium

5 ай бұрын

@@Johann_Gambolputty_of_Ulmi love Germans. I might be somewhat influenced (being Dutch, and thus a neighbor to them) by being adjacent to them (the Netherlands is to the west of them). They are a good folk, its just fucked up one of them started a war 😆(and he wasnt even German himself...)

@MartinSpieltYT

5 ай бұрын

@@chillenium Yeah, Christian August Herzog von Schleswig-Holstein made some mistakes.

CS2 scales down traffic by reducing the portion of active citizens logarithmically with population, therefore at 140k population only 13% of citizens ever have the chance to go out to work or study each day. Also citizens can tolerant a surprising long distance of walk, often taking half of ingame day. Basically it's hard to build up traffic in the game.

@Staleyboi12

5 ай бұрын

Yup, I get hundreds walking along my high ways daily to get to the other two areas of my city which are over the river/sea. Needs to change imo

@unitedfront9717

5 ай бұрын

Its so stupid honestly.....like at that point even the ststistical methods of the good sim city games were more real feeling

@szymex22

5 ай бұрын

So the traffic simulation is still bad as in Cities 1. No real need to do anything after a certain point.

@TheTaxxor

5 ай бұрын

But with public transport he has 150K average users in a city of 140K and there are still loads of personal cars on the streets, how's that possible

@dijikstra8

5 ай бұрын

@@TheTaxxor People usually make more than 1 trip per day, work and back, perhaps to the store, to a park, etc.

This game needed another year in the oven

@sandeegrey5977

5 ай бұрын

They had like 6 years for a sequel and they still screwed up. Impressive

@Septimus_ii

5 ай бұрын

That's what I assumed on release, but I'm more and more convinced that it's a lot further behind than that

@JusTCheap15

5 ай бұрын

@@sandeegrey5977nothing new about new games. All devs suck at this moment

@buttjunkie7956

5 ай бұрын

@@JusTCheap15 harsh dude, some of us try not to.

@apestogetherstrong5155

5 ай бұрын

@@JusTCheap15 BG3? AOW3? SpiderMan2? Those Devs did excellent last year.

great expirement. Really weird how nothing has changed.

@CaptainGarisen-bl3vp

5 ай бұрын

Colosal Order should see this maybe (maybe they already know they didnt make simulation game this time)

@Marcoyolo571

5 ай бұрын

So its been true all this time… its nothing more than a city painter

@SuperMickyChow

5 ай бұрын

​@Marcoyolo571 don't go saying that on the Paradox forums. You'll be banned for being toxic

@emmettbrown3463

5 ай бұрын

is it just me or he just overlayed a vertical line over the footage from a single day??? like not even the ships moved???

@dyreforls

5 ай бұрын

​@@emmettbrown3463Yeah, I hope he explains this..

This explains why biffas attempt at a cs2 city fix went the way it did...

@McP1mpin

5 ай бұрын

Yeah it's kind of a bummer how it's affecting KZread gaming channels about it. I keep clicking on videos to see what kind of effects all these crazy changes have on cities and they never have any. People removing all outside access to a city only for nothing to change. Or let's make the whole city a one-way street. Oh look, all the services work as intended even though none of the emergency vehicles for instance can get back to where they started. Before I was seeking out these videos and now I'm starting to avoid them as useless including biffa.

@dingowingo7977

5 ай бұрын

@@McP1mpin and that is why they are finally calling them out, bet they noticed a drop in views and had to change gears. Took one KZreadr 900 hours to finally notice how broken the game was and made a formal video. I dont even think this game is in early access but more in beta form, the game is all graphics that everyone has to run on the lowest settings

@cooltwittertag

4 ай бұрын

@@dingowingo7977 the graphics arent even good on max settings. I have a high end pc and ignoring the god awful performance on max 1440p it still doesnt even look nice. Modded CS1 looks significantly better and with the FPS mod doesnt even run worse

The ending poem sounded like peak german humor, I had to chuckle out loud for once

@Jaxck77

5 ай бұрын

“Peak German humour” is considered an insult for any British comedian.

The more I played, them more I realized nothing actually works in this game. At least not like it should. Except the road building features. Those are pretty cool. Aside from that, it is basically a digital city model builder. Cheaper and quicker and takes up far less space than a physical model. But as far as I can tell, none of the simulation functions actually do anything. It is all made up random numbers. Really sucks, since CS1 seemed to actually work very well under the hood.

@briankale5977

5 ай бұрын

Yea game sucks outside of it being Cities Skylines with road tools already installed. xD

Yeah, pretty much what my gut feeling told me as well. It just doesn't matter. I'll come back to this game in a few months again to see how it's going, but I honestly don't have high hopes.

@FeniksGaming

5 ай бұрын

At this point I think we are looking at year at least rather than months. Almost everything in game is smoke and mirrors

@sirjarko8762

5 ай бұрын

TBH I don't think that will be enough. Its already been nearly 4 months and in reality we haven't come that far, Its better but its so so so far behind where it should of been. We are still not up to release version of CS1 yet overall. Bugs, performance, missing content, bad designed systems, Its all here.

@tsar_gustav

5 ай бұрын

​@@sirjarko8762At some point developers will be at the edge and "offended by criticism" and Paradox may even close this project together with the CO and put them somewhere else. Happened many times with many other developers

@Septimus_ii

5 ай бұрын

I'd wait until Christmas if I were you

"roses are red my streets are dead and i go to bed good night" famous last word from imperatur:

@JakePlayz37

5 ай бұрын

go to bed*

@kwowo

5 ай бұрын

good night*

Can we also talk about even at 3am the traffic stays the same.

@plaxci

5 ай бұрын

Not to mention, how it becomes daylight at 2am whereas 12pm becomes nighttime especially when it's fall/winter. 😐

@Steven-hq3go

5 ай бұрын

​@@plaxcii assume the daylight time depends on the month and latitude of your map

@briankale5977

5 ай бұрын

Oh what, you mean the developers lied to us in the blogs before release?? No way, people can go online, and tell lies? Who would do such a thing. I love Emergency vehicles sitting in traffic. Guess the shoulder lanes were too hard to program in even though theyre basically there already for the sidewalk expansions, grass, parking, etc. Too hard.

Wow, that's disappointing. But I appreciate you continuing to point out where the game could improve. Hopefully CO is watching.

1:30 nice roast of Deustche Bahn LOL

When this game released I received a lot of flack for saying that CS2 was going to take another year before it was in a decent, playable state. Seems now like that was actually a generous estimate. It's looking more like CS2 won't be in anything close to playable until around 2026. And that's assuming CO comits to fixing their broken simulation at all.

@stevej71393

5 ай бұрын

I think it's crazy how normative it is becoming for a game to be released and to not be in a decent state until several years have passed and hundreds of dollars have been spent on DLC. This is a shameless and predatory business practice.

@mikerodrigues9822

5 ай бұрын

@@stevej71393 As long people buy shitty games and DLCs to "support the company", companies will keep doing this.

@petrm2234

5 ай бұрын

Agree, they closed project after 2024

It seems like c:s2 just became more of a game than simulation compared to c:s1

@Usuario-wr2kw

5 ай бұрын

And it still performs worse than cs1 with 2000 Assets and mods

@khetoun4680

5 ай бұрын

not even a game, just an asset ploper with less assets than CS1

@NerfMaster000

5 ай бұрын

You can blame those morons youtubers who play with infinite money + RICO being the most popular type of C:S players.

@adrianschmidt5564

5 ай бұрын

Like with the hyperrealistic pocket cars? Or Traffic just dissolving into thin air if they have to wait too long?

@Lolwutfordawin

5 ай бұрын

@@adrianschmidt5564 both of which can be disabled using traffic manager mods, resulting in worse performance (yet still better than cs2...) And more intuitive behavior

This is why I play CS1.

@FE0003

5 ай бұрын

same

@joeypalmiero7576

5 ай бұрын

I did this in cs1 and had the same result

@markvogel5872

5 ай бұрын

@@joeypalmiero7576 you mean we have been lied to about the benefits of mass transit?!

@blakedake19

5 ай бұрын

CS1 has a 2^16-1 limit on agents. At one point around 100k your city stops working because no more agents can spawn and basic city services stops working. Unity is not a game engine for extensive simulations.

@joeypalmiero7576

5 ай бұрын

@@markvogel5872 seems so I was devastated honestly

Sometimes you can have really awful traffic. But it doesn't affect anything. Nobody moved out because they couldn't get to work in time. No businesses left because they couldn't get deliveries.

@julkkis666

5 ай бұрын

Usually rush hour or people moving into a new part of the city can cause temporary trafic. This game is different from vanilla CS1 in that trafic is not constant, which is a good thing, as it means it's not immediately a death sentence

Honestly every time I had ANY traffic problems in CS2, although it was rare....the ONLY thing that worked was adding more lanes.

@unitedfront9717

5 ай бұрын

Ikr my theory is that their cim traffic AI is so broken that they pulled out some basic old statistical traffic prediction and then spawn cims accordingly....would explsin why adding more lanes works

@szymex22

5 ай бұрын

They didn’t add TMPE features, so the traffic lights don’t have separate turn phases, all the cars turning left get in the way of those going straight. Makes it much harder to solve issues

@Moshimulations

5 ай бұрын

Maybe the Devs learnt from you Diana 😂😂

@CitiesByDiana

5 ай бұрын

@@Moshimulations probably

A DB roast lmao

@ProjektBlaukopf

5 ай бұрын

😂

When I was doing something else and watching this with the volume at its minimum, I burst out laughing hahaha when I saw the clips deleting various traffic routes midway. I guessed it must be that technique from someone called 'impetarur,' and indeed, I guessed right. I subscribe to many CS2 creators, often starting to watch the videos that come in without checking who it is. Please keep it up.

there is also no economy in this game lmao

@Septimus_ii

5 ай бұрын

It's great as long as you're not looking for any kind of management or creativity...

@briankale5977

5 ай бұрын

Yea I love when the game makes up fake numbers and suddenly my beverage industry is raking in 200m when all other industrial tax combined is like 10mil. Then sometimes it fluctuates wildly to me PAYING them to come in? Even though I have it set to 6% and not negative tax lmfao. Broken game with tons of lying mechanics under the hood.

@roccellomn

5 ай бұрын

@@briankale5977had the same exact situation happen. Was just trying out and getting used to the game, had a few buildings and a little downtown… all of a sudden I noticed my money was at $600MM. It was beverages. Funny thing though I couldn’t find a singular building that was specifically for just beverages. Blew my mind

Enemies of DB: the four season Enemies of MÁV: the four season and the passengers

I literally added multiple metro and buslines that go between residential to industrial, office and commercial areas and it also changed jack shit, it feels so dissapointing to have the sims be so american when its is faster and cheaper to go by public transport i even made the lines 1$ and it still even tho its more used it doesnt change anything about traffic

@McP1mpin

5 ай бұрын

The Sims aren't American, the game just doesn't work. What a braindead take on this. Do you shoehorn 'America bad' into all of your comments?

@drbadbrain4714

5 ай бұрын

@@McP1mpin no reading comprehension at all lmao

Interesting experiment. I wish we had a tool which would help us determine where to build transit lines. Currently we see where traffic accumulates but not in which direction the majority of sims are going. It would be cool to be able to 'hire' and pay an in game traffic survey agency to propose a few transit routes that will be most beneficial for your city so that you won't need to guess how to build your public transit

@captainbroady

5 ай бұрын

The devs will probably put that into a dlc XD

@Superboy-jx3zv

5 ай бұрын

Well honestly its often pretty easy, if such a system ever existed in the first place, *huh* datacard

@Mrwizard-ck7oe

5 ай бұрын

cs1 had a helpful feature. you could look at the cities data to get a visualized pathing of all traffic. so you can see clear lines of where the majority of traffic in a particular area goes.

@opalyankaBG

5 ай бұрын

@@Mrwizard-ck7oe I always built transit lines where my busiest roads are, yet those lines weren't usually moving many people. There's got to be a better way to do it.

@Mrwizard-ck7oe

5 ай бұрын

@@opalyankaBG maybe you could try bus rapid transit lines with a central bus station? This was my most successful way of getting people to use transit in cs1. They didn't seem to like subway and rail as much as buses for some reason.

looks like you need to invite LANE MAN to do a complete overhaul to your city. your roads need more lanes so your citizens will take the superior method of transit: The Automobile. the age of public transport is over

@JusTCheap15

5 ай бұрын

Facts

@leanflavoredpringles2353

5 ай бұрын

Just one more lane bro I swear it'll fix the traffic problem bro PLEASE just let me add one more lane bro

@alexturnbackthearmy1907

5 ай бұрын

@@leanflavoredpringles2353 One more line? That is kinda weal, ngl, just build same road next to it, its easy.

@katier9725

5 ай бұрын

Please, I know we already have 24 lanes and nothing changed, but I'M SURE the 25th will finally get it done!

Yeah, the whole thing is horribly bugged. If you ever zoom in on a traffic jam, you will see a car disapear into thin air every few seconds, including trams which just dump all their passengers onto the street. I once saw a tram bug out, rotate orthogonal to the track, vibrate wildly and suddenly change colour to black (all my lines were purple). It then proceeded to return to the depot with 200 people still on-board, basically kidnapping them. I also have to keep my taxes at negative rates because Industry earnings stack overflowed into negative values. If I tax them normally it actually drains hundreds of thousands of dollars per day. When I give them a subsidy it actually generates cash

My traffic, gets ridiculous lol.... even with trains etc. During rush, its solid red in most spots .

so basically Cities Skylines turned into SimCity5... or with other words: you have become the very thing you swore to destroy!

"Zug fällt aus, what does that mean? Nooooooo..." - Sam Denby, 2022

What is happening is all the people who used to use public transport walk now, and you dont get more traffic because they don't have a car to drive. Eventually they may buy cars or you will have people who move in that own cars but that will take a lot of time in game. I built a city of 100k from the ground up with no public transport, and believe me, i had mental traffic, everyone drove and every empty space of road was full of parked cars.

@clmedia400

5 ай бұрын

I've had this same experience, I built my cities in the vision of lane man! Starting with only 2 lane roads and parking lots, I can say my cities infrastructure is struggling...public transit has had an impact for me.

@maxnstl6001

5 ай бұрын

I suspect you actually always were building new residential area, causing traffic to be heavily related to people moving in your city/searching for a place to park their car. Once you reach a stationnary state where no more people move in your city you would have had the same conclusions as this video

"Surely there are issues that we're looking into and fixing bugs, but the overall gameplay experience is what we aimed for. Cities: Skylines 2 is the better game compared to the first one. If you dislike the simulation, this game just might not be for you." ~Mariina Hallikainen, CEO of developer Colossal Order

Der deutsche Akzent kickt anders hart

@MrExoticSnow

5 ай бұрын

Ja woran hat es jelegen?

@D0MiN0ChAn

5 ай бұрын

​​@@MrExoticSnowDat fragt man sich immer, woran et jelegen hat!

The DB train station 😂

Yeah i have given up on sc2. Sad but true. I hope after one year things will be different. I have played v1 for 8 years. I sold my ps4 with sc1 and built a pc for this game so i can use mods. So i can't play 1 and don't want to play sc2. Now I'm playing anno1800 and Cyberpunk.

@stalesnail146

5 ай бұрын

why cant you play 1?

@dummyxl

5 ай бұрын

@@stalesnail146 because I have sold (give away) my playstation 4 with sc1 and bought a pc. And I'm not going to buy it again with ALL extension packs.

@stalesnail146

5 ай бұрын

@@dummyxl whats ur steam name

@dummyxl

5 ай бұрын

@@stalesnail146 same as youtube dummyxl

Perfect conclusion

As u can see, u see nothing .... 😂 Love this one

Lmao best experiment 😅 love the city tho. Indeed looks amazing in fall

You are absolutely hilarious. The DB joke was a good one. When will DB have on time trains? 2070???

I don't own the game, but I've seen that the economy doesn't change when you have gridlocks and resolve them. It did in CS1. So somehow they've made the simulation worse...

You got my sub for the DB joke :D

I really appreciate you being real about the problems with CS 2. Many other CS KZreadrs don't do us, the viewers, the same courtesy.

Sick poem bro 😂

Oh wow!!! That is the worst thing I've seen yet. CO needs to go a LOT further than saying they admit some things in the economy aren't working as intended. They admit a small portion of the problem, but then it becomes clear that the problem is even bigger than we'd first realized. But they presumably knew all along what shortcuts they were taking. If mass transit has no impact on the city, surely someone in their development team would have flagged this a long time ago and said, "Hey, we have a big problem." And then that person was either ignored (bad) or they've been working to fix it and trying to pretend the problem isn't as serious as it obviously is (equally bad). Either way, they need to admit that this is a SERIOUS problem and they are working frantically to try to fix it, as they should. Their PR department statements are seeming more and more disconnected from reality.

"If you dislike the simulation, this game just might not be for you."

Those bridges reminded me of the Pulaski Skyway, especially since they're going over an industrial area and are two lanes on each side.

Programmers today: "We simulate every single fart but that doesn't impact anything."

I remember in CS1 i had tp delete a very busy subway line for like 2 minutes to upgrade the area and add more lines and my entire city shit the fucking bed. I'm talking like 4-5 in game days later things finally straightened out. Another time my train line would get all clogged and my profit would hit go down the toilet. CS2is just a city painter

Je ne m'attendais vraiment pas à ça.

At this point I think we should just stop trying agent-based city simulations. It’s like every time a studio tries, they are forced to add tricks and deception to make the city feel real/fun, tricks that break completely when you stop playing nice and start testing the engine. SimCity 2013, Cities: Skylines I and II, perhaps the problem is not “broken” simulations, but that large scale agent-based simulations are way too complex and intricate to behave exactly the way we want them to in a management game.

@erkinalp

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, to make a faithful agent based city sim, use a serious modelling framework, not a game like cities:skylines. That requires one to write a lot of code tho. Who wants to write lots of efficient c# code to describe a city policy?

@Demopans5990

5 ай бұрын

Hundreds of thousands of agents representative of a small city is enough to grind most computers to a halt.

That yellow smart car at the end 😅

Thanks for sharing. I'm glad I waited for reviews before buying. (Still waiting for things to be fixed before buying, if ever.)

Lmao the db shoutout

That was great.

After listening to your poem at the end, you should make more meme videos but for CS2. I missed your old vids where you just mess around with the simulation plus memes. Fun times~

This video is amazing.

Tbh considering that most people probably didn't own private cars with such a good public transit, waiting only one month is very pointless as a test since a month is a simulated day and cims will make life changing decisions like buying a car only once per day/month, which means that you'd only see the effects of it in a few months... The DB roast was fun tho 😅

@varthshenon

5 ай бұрын

do you have evidence of what you said is what was being simulated?

@TabernadoDani

5 ай бұрын

@varthshenon About the "life changing decisions" I kind of do - for following lots of Cims, I've noticed all the things like getting a new house, getting a new job, divorcing, etc happens on the morning of each day; I've also noticed that changes you do that would require such change only happen over the coming months, in my case I tested taxes/rent and noticed that if you raise taxes a lot and zone low rent buildings, it takes like 2~3 in-game months for people to start moving to the low rent buildings, although abandoning the city seems to be the only "life changing decision" that can happen at anytime, and a lot will just leave. But you do observe the biggest demand switches caused by taxes on the mornings of each day. I'm preparing a city to test the transport thing too over more than one month, I'm just getting it to be similar to the town on the video (huge usage of public transport, low traffic) And just to make it clear, I do agree there's a lot of simulation "shortcuts" right now, probably a lot of plugs they pulled for the game to be "stable" right now and people are noticing/finding out. I just commented because I didn't particularly notice them to be traffic related, I do see (at least my experience) public transit being great in solving traffic and I don't see why it wouldn't work properly on the other way around. I'll reply here again once I have conducted my test

@varthshenon

5 ай бұрын

@@TabernadoDani I'm curious to watch that. Let me know here if you decided to post it

@pbilk

5 ай бұрын

I agree TabernadoDani. Waiting more than a year as he said in the video may give better results. Also, many people may be walking. The city looks dense enough that may be feasible. I didn't have to manufacture road traffic in my city. I just made some dumb road layouts that caused busy traffic.

@Superboy-jx3zv

5 ай бұрын

It makes no sence the traffic changed not a bit, eventho still all citicens would need to go to work still

Das Ende mal wieder klassischer deutscher Humor😂😂👌🏼

"DEEP SIMULATION on trafic AI choosing the mode of transport" they said... The simulation maybe it's too much deep 😂😂

Really surprised by your result. In my city with 100k i ahve lots of traffic and also have public transportation, and ai watched a video recently by a non cities skylines youtuber that he used the game to show how much public transportation lessened the traffic. I think your city broke somehow unfortunatly maybe, because what you see happen in your city dosen't happen with many others peoples city. Maybe the game has a bug that sometimes it's like this? You should reach out to CO about this test if yours tho, so they can figure it out.

@AdamZugone

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, I agree, because it's crazy that he doesn't get bad traffic, my city with about the same amount of residents gets pretty bad traffic in some areas, sometimes for seemingly no reason. Even with an elite city plan like his, surely the traffic couldn't be that perfect? I also have a bunch of public transit, buses, trains, trams, metro, I still get traffic. maybe I should try this experiment.

@theqentity3669

5 ай бұрын

Aye, just tried the same experiment in my city, traffic balloned, and roads were busier. Lots of people walking though, and also traffic disappears if taking too long, need a mod to stop that.

@phantomlordmxvi

5 ай бұрын

​@@AdamZugone Answer is probably that people dont have cars because they relied on public transit before. And a mont is not enough for that many car sales

@emmettbrown3463

5 ай бұрын

i feel like this whole thing is just bs because in the comparison footage its just a vertical line put over the footage?? the ships are present in "both" of the sides and such

@Caldwing

5 ай бұрын

@@emmettbrown3463 Yeah wow I hate to be this jaded but this really seems like manufactured outrage for clicks. There is no way those three ships would still be in that exact position randomly. It's very clearly the same image twice. Unless he made an absolutely incredible mistake this is intentional lying.

that DB joke killed me...

I am in love with your city !

It makes me think of Grand Paris Express Studies have shown that car traffic will be reduced by only 1% despite the new 200km2 of metro lines in the suburbs outside Paris

@maxnstl6001

5 ай бұрын

do you have the link? I'm curious! (i speak french so np if cest en francais)

I spend a lot of time on the pc, including work. As a hobby I generally never run out of things to do, one of those really fun things that I once did was play Cities. I’d really miss my game during times that I wouldn’t play. With CS2, I no longer miss playing, I’ll find something else because a game that helped me relax only adds to my frustration. Everything has become so repetitious that I’m quickly losing interest.

😂🤣🤣 thanks for playing CS2 enough to make this video!

nice experiment lol

1:43 is the exact reason why I hate this game so much and why all my efforts are meaningless. Stupid bots don't know how to use roads, merge lines, use all lines instead of two etc.

The game just needs another year to be complete.

I seem to get crazy traffic then when I look at the source they'll be one vehicle deciding to park then when you zoom in it'll just park and the traffic will start clearing up

Must have never placed an airport with cargo... plop that badboy watch traffic go insane

@imperatur - Care to explain why at 2:14, when the "before/after" line moves over the ships, they are in exactly at the same positions? Quite a coincidence, eh? One month apart???! I call BS. Faked comparison. I challenge you to explain this or prove me wrong.

Good night CS2 😁

I like how your bridge looks like the pulasky skyway. a very underrated megastructure in the northeast.

Shout-out to the 1 milisecond featuring Knippi! 😂🎉 We love to see/hear it!

What did you do at the harbor? I had a pure traffic infarction, despite the one-way street.

I noticed that really really early. What I love in CS (already in the 1st), is to maximize public transportation. In CS2 public transportation is a lie in the sense it is not connected to the overall simulation: your city will continue to operate without a change wether you have or not have public transport. It is purely aesthetic and there is no underly complexity. I've decided to try a game in CS2 with only pedestrian road to force people using public transport and I also disconnected my city from the highway (so people coming have to park in a garage and then enter the city by foot), so that means no one owns a car. When I switched all my roads from pedestrian to classic two ways roads, the citizen transported by public transport was immediately divided by 2. And that's impossible because there was no car who could have be used instead. From my experiments, it showed that the amount of citizen that are SPAWNED (or decide to move outisde their house) within your city each day depends on some shady parameters. In other words, your city will adjust the load of citizen given your transport infrastructure (wether its private vehicles or public transport). That's a shame. When I discovered that, it didn't make any sense to max out public transport because that's an impossible thing to do, your city is purely fictional and everything is just like in the movie The Truman Show: souless. Also, a lot of citizen don't know how to change line nearby (from a bus to a metro or bus/bus, metro/metro, etc) so it's pointeless trying to think well a navigation map, they won't even use it... But given what's written previously it's a minor inconvenience lmfao..

I did not expect the DB roast

@warmike

5 ай бұрын

I did

@JusTCheap15

5 ай бұрын

You had heard it in his german accent

Funny, before I reorganized my puplic transit system, I really had thick rush hours and needed to upgrade main street into a sixlane plus tram road to handle all that traffic. Now with proper transist its much lighter. So it seems it really does make an impact

@Waaaasss

5 ай бұрын

Its because the bigger the city gets the traffic is getting scaled back. So while population grows the cars get less on the roads.

@Waaaasss

5 ай бұрын

So it does make a difference but only in small to medium citys

@Demopans5990

5 ай бұрын

@Waaaasss And it was the case back in CS1. The devs stated themselves the parking is at 10% of what it is in the real world as otherwise the traffic would be awful

Definitely adding this to the list of games I will never play, thanks

The issue is, that DB joke videos don't get old or outdated

cs2 has two good things: the proportion of things is realistic: no nuclear power plant the size of 2 houses. The other good thing is the construction of highways. Otherwise it's a much worse game than CS1. Boring and tiring.

i think maybe you needed to wait a little longer lol

@imperatur

5 ай бұрын

Yeah maybe but the simulation speed is so slow

There's a lot that goes into the simulation, cims actually move around in the city, so they try to live near where they work. You can follow individual cims from birth to death and see how they relocate based on certain things, like attending university or getting a new job. I also always found that the amount of cims that are willing to walk immense distances to get around is way too high compared to real life. So cims will walk 4+km without public transit to get to work. I also think, if you have less parking availability, it discourages cims from driving. Sadly there's no bicycles so we don't see that affecting traffic either.

@jorgmethfessel5774

5 ай бұрын

the "simulation" is a joke at this point

@erkinalp

5 ай бұрын

​@@jorgmethfessel5774it is an agent-based model of a fictional city you know

That where some of the most german jokes I heard in a long time. And I laughed way to hard about them. Good thing I was in my basemend anyway.

Glad I held off on buying this game. Wow they had a decade to figure out traffic, the best city sim devs in the world couldn’t figure it out.

Alleine wegen der Deutschen Bahn hat dein Video einen like verdient xD

Cities skylines 1: “WHAAAAAA THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD THEY SHOULD OPTIMIZE IT MORE WHAAAAAA” Cities Skylines 2: “we fixed the traffic ai” “WHAAAAAAAA THERES BARELY ANY TRAFFIC WHAAAAAAA”

@berkekadircelik6282

5 ай бұрын

Do you call this "fixed"?

Unfinished game effects 💀

there is not nearly enough car trafffic in this game, have the developers ever been on any highway and seen how much traffic is on it?

@johnroscoe2406

5 ай бұрын

Devs are European.

@Demopans5990

5 ай бұрын

Traffic is hard limited to be logarithmic to population. Even 10% of the population driving can absolutely clog a city as NYC knows all too well

...hm, I tought train operators have two enemies, the timetable and the passengers.

Parking garages alone are just cancer. I had to delete all of them to avoid 50 cars a minute going into them despite them being full and then leave again.

what a bummer

This is basically American city simulator, where adding public transit has no effect on traffic

god dammit the more time it passes the more evidence of how the broken the whole simulation of this game is.

Nice traffic flow

Not the DB 😭

The illusion of choice