Ptolemy and Seleucus won the war of the Diadochi, Antigonus was also victories in founding an empire.

Dying of old isn’t so bad as long as you don’t live to long

@maryblushes7189

Жыл бұрын

84

Exploring ptolemiac egypt could be fun eh?

@ThersitestheHistorian

4 жыл бұрын

It could be.

@divineantiwokegangster

2 ай бұрын

hellenic middle east

Wonderful, Informative, Comprehensive

Very good videos. Subjects no one touches in public schools

Awesome video as always. I do have a question about your byzantine emperrors serie, do you plan to end it covering Consatntine XI or will you do one about David of Trebizond ?

@ThersitestheHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure yet. I might just cover all of the Trebizond rulers in one big video and attach it as a sort of addendum to the series.

@AdriatheBwitch

5 жыл бұрын

@@ThersitestheHistorian Ok =)

When I was studying Archaeology one of my most favorite topics was ancient Egypt, specially Hellenic Egypt. It was a second golden age of Egyptian civilization I think Alexander truly was one of the greatest men in History, not only because of his historical feats and conquests, but because of his views and ideas. And establishing the Hellenic dynasty and the Egyptian Alexandria was one of the greatest historical feats imo. It's very tragic what happened to Hellenic Egypt thanks to Augustus and corruption in Rome. Because if Julius Caesar had not been assassinated by the corrupt politician's, and had Mark Anthony and Cleopatra's side won, Egypt would've continued to be a strong and important civilization. So thanks to Augustus Egypt fell when the arab caliphate invaded later. And even though he did do good things in his time as Caesar, I honestly think the rise of Augustus greatly contributed to the fall of Rome later too, due to internal instability

@dlugi4198

Жыл бұрын

Woah talk about shit takes

@mrscanlan.5016

9 ай бұрын

Also Marc anthony and Cleopatra should of NOT GAVE AWAY ROME States to their kids, BUT Can understand with both BEING VERY MUCH IN LOVE AND LOVED UP, They both should of spoke with Augustus a lot sooner and be more humbled , also i see your great points also that could of changed the out come for Egypt

I really hope you do 1 or more video's on Ptolemy's successors.

@ThersitestheHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

Most definitely. I have upcoming videos on Ptolemy Keraunos and Ptolemy II and I am strongly considering doing a video on Arsinoe II for the Successors series. I will have more Hellenistic material later in the year after I catch up on Roman and Byzantine stuff.

@Maesterful

5 жыл бұрын

Me too, do them all please!

@henkstersmacro-world

5 жыл бұрын

@@elderdosreis6195 That would be fantastic, I always had a strong interest in this period and this is 'the channel' that tells the entire story plus all the details, Thank You so much Thersites the Historian!!!

@tacocruiser4238

5 жыл бұрын

@@ThersitestheHistorian do something on Ptolemy Physcon.

@alexanderledvina8743

5 жыл бұрын

@@ThersitestheHistorian will you be covering antiochus and the seleucid princes? Pyrhus?

You guys should read "Plutarch Lives", i think this is where this is taken from!

@ThersitestheHistorian

4 жыл бұрын

There isn't a Life of Ptolemy, sadly.

@trentw.3566

Жыл бұрын

We have a Life of the mythical Theseus, but no Ptolemy. Plutarch wasn't as skeptical as he could have been.

Only 2 successors left

@ThersitestheHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

Well, there are actually more than two people left to cover and there are a few minor figures that I plan to double back and cover. But yes, two major figures remain to be discussed.

I personally think the conquests of the Aegean, Cyrenaica, and Coele Syria was simply the establishment of buffer zones against the powers of Asia and Greece. Had Ptolomy wanted full domination he could have invaded Asia Minor or even Cyprus during the Fourth War of the diadochi.

@ThersitestheHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

That could be the case. I think that he was looking for a strong beachhead and planned to do a quick overrun, recruit a bunch of new men and try to roll from there. The problem with a full invasion of Asia Minor is that it was the Antigonid heartland, had lots of rugged terrain to deter rapid marches, and would require a large army that would leave him vulnerable elsewhere. At the start of the Fourth War, he had forces at Halicarnassus and he still had his main army in Greece.

@koksalceylan3934

3 жыл бұрын

Its not Asia minor nor anatolia. Its is now called Turkiye the land of tve Turks.

@AthrihosPithekos

2 жыл бұрын

@@koksalceylan3934 Irrelevant to the subject. Off you go.

@kurkkamambusu4063

2 жыл бұрын

@@koksalceylan3934 aka inflatistan

@kimandrewlincoln5643

Жыл бұрын

I agree. He wanted to protect what he had, nothing more.

@3:00, It is easy to draw an opposite conclusion about Ptolemy's familiarity with Alexander III since men younger than Philip II and older than Alexander III were in the best position to watch the Great One grow up and still be close enough in age to be close in socio-political situations. Easy to imagine that this young Ptolemy nobleman was a junior officer for Philip II.

@kimandrewlincoln5643

Жыл бұрын

Ptolemy was 11 years older than Alexander and initially served as his 'eater' - given his especially strong stomach. The two went to school together and were taught by Aristotle. Ptolemy spent every day of Alexander's life with him and thus knew him better than anyone else. It is a great shame than Ptolemy's account of Alexander's life has been lost - probably burnt when the Great Library went up in flames during Julia Caesar's visit to Cleopatra who was the last of the dynasty. I believe that Phillip 11 and Ptolemy were close but later on Ptolemy's first loyalty was to Alexander and it never wavered.

I noticed you didn't mention the rather chivalrous, if not bizzare act of kindness when Ptolemy sent Demetrius off after the defeat with money and supplies following his victory at the Battle of Gaza. What do you make of that particular story in the history of the Diadochoi?

@ChevyChase301

4 жыл бұрын

Robby House it must have been a mistake. Demetrius retreated. Your thinking of Seleukos

@katerinapatiniotis5598

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChevyChase301 yes. Seleukos was serving under Ptolemy and after the battle in Gaza, asked him to give him soldiers and release him from service and get back Babylon. Ptolemy gave him a small army and let him go.

Buried in Rhodes?

Thersites why did the Ptolemaic dynasty start practicing incest? Wouldn’t that be seen as taboo to the rest of the Hellenic world?

@ThersitestheHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

This is something that I will have to investigate further. My initial suspicion is that the brother-sister marriages were purely political and that Ptolemaic women were actually impregnated by other high-ranking males. And yes, the custom was a very Egyptian one which did not translate well outside of Egypt's borders. Uncles and nieces or cousins could marry in the Greek world, but not siblings.

@dardo1201

5 жыл бұрын

@@ThersitestheHistorian did the other Greek states still consider the Ptolemies Greek or more of an Egyptian-Hellenic hybrid? Also, with Rome taking over the Ptolemies' rigid administration that was already in place, I guess it could be argued that their actions made the longest lasting impact of all succesors?

@ThersitestheHistorian

5 жыл бұрын

@@dardo1201 Good question, I'm not quite sure how the Seleucids and others saw the Ptolemies. As for the second part of your comment, I suppose that would be a reasonable interpretation. The Romans were very minimalist in the changes that they made to Egypt, so Ptolemy's order long outlived his dynasty.

@captainjax5809

5 жыл бұрын

Also they practice incest because of plague, but don't remember what century this occur!

@NewarkBay357

3 жыл бұрын

Because Ptolemy was the Pharoah of Egypt and then adopted that Egyptian custom of the incestuous Pharaohs.

Ptolomy1st became a God. Serapis Cristus

You forgot the most important part.....Ptolemy and the Bible

@ThersitestheHistorian

4 жыл бұрын

From what I understand, the translation of the OT into Greek as the Septuagint was after the time of Ptolemy I.

@artatheart5700

4 жыл бұрын

my main intend for watching this was to see how ptolemy relates with the bible bt i guess a christian is one home and away. nothing mentioned

@paperboynasir8505

4 жыл бұрын

art at heart is was Know that they made up the fake holy trinity the 3rd the 5th of the descendants made a temple for those to worship their grandfather Serapis witch is making up for Jesus and god that’s why when you partake in drinking the flesh and blood of Jesus that god so called killed his son for sins he created but it is a cannibalism act that Ptolemy took part in when he built his temple

@tehutibrim594

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThersitestheHistorian sure was quite sure it was Ptolemy 2 or 3 though the 1st did start the ball rolling

@NewarkBay357

3 жыл бұрын

@Jd Pv Pella in Macedonia, Greece is where Philip of Macedonia was born and died. Alexander was also born there as it was the capital of Macedonia at that time. Now, Thessaloniki (named after Alexander's sister by the then King of Macedonia, Cassander) is the capital of Macedonia, Greece. The Macedonians were and are still today, indisputably Greeks.

Love and respect man but please for the love of god get your audio straight. Blew my ears out. Sorry for complaining. Was really looking forward to the new Trump one but that echo… hurts…. Again sorry

Aristotle never existed.

@fabianhale845

3 жыл бұрын

Says you.

@theblade1251

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps you don't

@wankawanka3053

2 жыл бұрын

Prove it

The didnt even have an alphabet, talk about that. Talk about how they stole history, talk about how he was rejected by the Africans. Lets talk real history

@fabianhale845

3 жыл бұрын

Like anything coming from you is real.

@Psy0psAgent

3 жыл бұрын

@@fabianhale845 oh aren’t you fun.

@AthrihosPithekos

2 жыл бұрын

@@Psy0psAgent The comment by KG above is much more fun, like the one about Aristotle below. Very good for a laugh.

@wankawanka3053

2 жыл бұрын

Cry

@lisaorawiec

Жыл бұрын

Let's talk about how everything they appropriated from barbarians they made better, it's not the Greeks fault they were able to use it better than those you say they "stole" from, as if those barbarians new how to use what they possessed.

Woke to use BCE - no credibility warranted.

@PraveenJose18551

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus wasn't born on 1AD, it's a clear incorrect way of dating. It seems more likely you're triggered by facts.

@Moribus_Artibus

Жыл бұрын

Don't you have a church event to be attending?

@Bisamberg

Жыл бұрын

@@Moribus_Artibus The best that you cand do - mind-reading? Work *hard* on your retirement income ..

@Moribus_Artibus

Жыл бұрын

@@Bisamberg Sir, what use does my livelihood have to with this video? You seem to me to disregard the worthy men of antiquity all because of some silly calendar convention.

@coryfice1881

10 ай бұрын

@@Bisamberg The Gregorian Calendar has more pagan gods than abrahamic saints.

You said a whole lot of nothing..

@wankawanka3053

2 жыл бұрын

You are a waste

This video is your personal opinion which you are entitled to have, but is inaccurate. Why do you post a video with a date of death as the main title ?? and trying to minimize and insult king Ptolemy? Go and get real sources to promote my country's history. King Alexander the Great, knew better and trusted him the most, even trusted his own life to him. All these salty, western, so-called Utube historians, who have no history of their own but only criminal record, trying to trash one of the greatest Greek generals who created a great, strong and prosperous empire, and a Greek dynasty in Egypt that lasted over 300 years and was the only one of the ΔΙΑΔΟΧΟΙ (successors) who survived them all due to his military genius. He was the most victorious of them all. He also refused multiple times to be the official successor of king Alexander the Great for obvious reasons. You should respect historical figures. Judging by your voice I understood a lot about you, and you chose the name Thersites... I'm not surprised. He was a real, piece of work. Don't trash legendary Greek generals just because they were more successful and better than you. Their names are remembered for thousands of years, because of the greatness of their feats, but yours...I don't think so.

@kimandrewlincoln5643

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Katerina for your stern defence of Ptolemy 1, his motives and achievements. You speak from the heart and your heart speaks the truth. It is my view that Ptolemy's military actions were defensive in nature. He was essentially a man of peace who sought protection for his family and the territories under his authority. Ptolemy had a thirst for knowledge not conquest and it is for making Alexandria the greatest centre for learning in the known world that he should be principally remembered. If you have any more thoughts about Ptolemy 1 Soter, Katerina, I would be delighted to hear them. God Bless, Kim x

@valladao_

Жыл бұрын

Maybe you should stop speaking from your heart and start using your brain. Your attacks on Thersites make no sense to me. All of his videos on his playlist on the successors mention their date of death and how they died. "Minimize and insult King Ptolemy", what? Explain to me how the minimized and insulted King Ptolemy after saying in the beginning that he was probably one of, if not the best, of the sucessors? "Judging by your voice" and "and you chose the name Thersites...", what a vermin you are, what voice and name did you expect? Are you used to historians that suck the dick of the historical figures you like without pointing their flaws/characteristics? Get your head sorted out lady, I really hope you don't have kids to inherit your disease.