They can talk about 8k all day, but until they can hit 4K reliably they shouldn’t worry about 8k.

@cantski

Жыл бұрын

Gotta sell those 8k tvs tho

@user-ur3cl2pq5i

Жыл бұрын

absolutely 8k they can't reach 4k and we are talking about 8k with a 500 euros dollar machine what the hell and that bs on the box my god man !

@2hotflavored666

Жыл бұрын

8k is an absolutely ridiculous resolution. Better if they *never* even think about something as laughably outrageous as 8k. They better focus on 4k@60 and later 4k@120.

@ProfessorJohnny69

Жыл бұрын

@@2hotflavored666 Realistically speaking I don't see them actually targeting 8K besides a sticker on the box and maybe with some very easy to run games.

@2hotflavored666

Жыл бұрын

@@ProfessorJohnny69 Indeed.

Clips are a good idea.

@wildmonkey2409

Жыл бұрын

Yea I love this 30 minute clip

@MajerHawk

Жыл бұрын

“Clips” 30 minutes long 😂

Before targeting 8K, they should target most games to run at 4K 60/120Hz VRR ray tracing enabled.

@christinaedwards5084

Жыл бұрын

😂 4k 120fps is the exact same pixel count per second as 8k 30fps. Both being close to 1 billion.

@empyreangames1325

Жыл бұрын

@@christinaedwards5084 Who wants to play on 30fps?

@christinaedwards5084

Жыл бұрын

@@empyreangames1325 my point was if you want 4k 120fps it’s the exact same as 8k 30fps. Welcome to marketing 101. 4k = 3840 x 2160 @ 120hz = 995,328,000 pixels rendered every second. 8k = 7680 x 4320 @ 30hz = 995,328,000 pixels rendered every second. So should they target 8k or not? 🤔

@empyreangames1325

Жыл бұрын

@@christinaedwards5084 If it is feasible, then having the option to switch between 8K at 30fps and 4K at 120fps would be a good option. But playing games @ 30fps is so outdated and everyone wants to play games running on at least 60fps.

@christinaedwards5084

Жыл бұрын

@@empyreangames1325 obviously no one wants to play @ 30fps, I certainly don’t. Dumped my series x in favour of a pc because of 30fps starfield. Did cost 3 times as much but has 3 times the performance. 😂

I think higher frame rates have become a bigger selling point than higher resolutions nowadays. Even in the TV space with 120Hz and VRR. If PS5 Pro means more 120Hz games, or what would be a 30Hz game being 60Hz on Pro, I’d be there day one. If it also meant reprojected 120Hz PSVR2 titles became native 90/120Hz, I’d be there day minus one, breaking into a warehouse.

@AzielaceTTV

Жыл бұрын

A PS5 Pro would have no effect on the VR2's hardware.

@renjojo1003

Жыл бұрын

Also the ps5 already runs games at 120 and it has nothing to do with the ps5/pro it’s the developers genius. Have you seen a ps5? This proves people who know nothing and watch one DF video start talking like idiots. And frame rates only matter on pc with small screens but consoles are about next lever graphics but adding higher frames is a welcome addition but not at the cost of graphics.

@vigorgaming8

Жыл бұрын

agree and more or less that's the point of the Pro and bigger SSD maybe..

@AzielaceTTV

Жыл бұрын

@vigorgaming8 Hopefully, instead of the 825GB. Only having 667GB to use was a mistake imo. We shouldn't have to change out the SSD as quickly as we have had to do. For those who can afford it anyway.

@vigorgaming8

Жыл бұрын

@@AzielaceTTV I think it will be at least 1TB, but my prediction is that they will put something like 1.5TB ssd, I don't think that they will go full 2TB..

Imagine the standard of native 4K/60 RT for fidelity and 1440/120 for performance on a ps5 pro. That would be nice

@SlayerSeraph

Жыл бұрын

PS5 Pro should do 4K 120 FPS VRR on all games or it shouldn't exist

@ldope3904

10 ай бұрын

@@SlayerSeraph base PS5 should do 4k/60fps or it shouldn't exist. But it does. REAL next gen gaming is 4k60fps. We will see PS5 Pro holiday 2024

@Hi-levels

9 ай бұрын

1440p 120hz is aldreahy here. I play cod black ops ocld war on 1440p 120hz bruh

@cooltwittertag

7 ай бұрын

​@@ldope3904and it wont even be close to 4k60 with RT, lets be honest

Gotta say how good an addition Oliver is to DF. Level headed and insightful.

@TheSuperGamerPals

Жыл бұрын

They've all got such great character to their voices too

@Vans_WW

11 ай бұрын

Completely agreed!

Upscaled 1440p to 4k at 60 is still a great target and maybe some 120hz options for competitive shooters at a decent Res would be a nice step but I still feel like this gen is untapped fully yet .

@wrusst

Жыл бұрын

@AlaEddin-lb7vl not every game and the ones that do run crap Res . Halo infinite is an obvious example and the 120 doesn't lock either

@jarde1989

Жыл бұрын

@@wrusst 😂😂😂 No game locks at 120 buddy… and it doesn’t need to FPS drops from 120-100 aren’t nearly as noticeable as 60-30 drops

@wrusst

Жыл бұрын

@@jarde1989 not even remotely true without vrr I literally have a weaker pc that locks at 120 on certain games . Read my context I said compedative gaming and even in this goal 120 locked is actually a low standard I know people who play locked 400+ fps for on 240hz monitors .

@dan_loeb

Жыл бұрын

@@jarde1989 if your monitor isnt using VRR and if the game isn't forcing vsync, you'll get almost scanline like horizontal tearing across the screen non stop at 100-120. if vsync is on and you aren't hitting 120 constantly you'll be dropping down to 60 and back to 120 frequently, which is even worse.

@cinemapigeon4898

Жыл бұрын

@@jarde1989 A lot of esport/indie titles can run or do run at 120 fps. Rocket League is one which I regularly play at 120.

If the Pro enables 60 FPS gaming in todays 30 FPS-only games it might just be interesting.

@shaun7389

Жыл бұрын

The PS5 is already powerful enough to do that. Devs just don't take advantage of that

@COOLFRIEND

Жыл бұрын

Movie games don’t need to be 60fps.

@mach1one

Жыл бұрын

@@COOLFRIEND why so salty?

@COOLFRIEND

Жыл бұрын

@@mach1one is that a salty opinion? You’re the one that kind of sounds salty. Not every game should be 60+fps unless the gameplay requires it (fast, precision input). If a game is a “movie game”, atmosphere and story come first, which is better suited to 30fps for the exact same reason we like watching film/tv in 24fps and 60fps. The reality is most modern games don’t require the precision advantage 60+fps can give you. Frame rate is a stylistic choice as much as it is a practical choice.

@mach1one

Жыл бұрын

@@COOLFRIEND In your opinion, which specific game could be a "movie game"? Please provide one example.

I think what Jim Ryan was saying is we barely scratched the surface of PS5 why would we do A Pro🤷‍

I own a launch-day PS5 and I seen some amazing games on it but I think I'll just stick with my base PS5. At least until next gen. I mean it was only earlier this year that people actually started getting their hands on a PS5 and now they're talking about old rushing a PS5 Pro

@nikohunt5187

Жыл бұрын

What great games

@luisg2665

Жыл бұрын

​@nikohunt5187 you have Google, use it.

@jaglemans6778

Жыл бұрын

PS5 is tracking alongside PS4 in terms of sales, and will accelerate ahead now supply is available. There will always be people who only bought a system recently. For others they've had a machine since launch, it will be 4 years by the time PS5 Pro launches. In technology terms that's a lifetime. It becomes even more of a no brainer when you can still get very good resale value for your PS5. It's basically a £200 upgrade after 4 years.

@1xICExVIPERx1

Жыл бұрын

@@jaglemans6778 my whole thing as far is that people just recently got their hands on a PS 5 because of the scalpers. But I guess we can see what their version of 8K gaming could be. and both PS 5 and Xbox series X say that they can already hit 8K gaming on the outside of a box . I mean there is processing power in these next GEN consoles to hit 8K gaming but none of these developers want to develope any games for it that support that. Unreal engine five is still a work in progress in most games are not using unreal engine five yet.

@scorponok4k721

Жыл бұрын

@jaglemans6778 Well said, Sir! 👏

For me, pro models for both PS5 or Xbox Series X doesn't make any sense. It's been 3 years since launch and it's only now developers are daring to ditch last gen consoles which is completely understandable considering it's been only few months since both PS5 and XSX are readily available. We are spoiled and doomed if we are already demanding hardware upgrade. The current gen consoles have been barely put to there best use and I firmly believe this applies to Series S as well. We don't need another underutilized powerful hardware. We need games!!

@bartcunningham5640

11 ай бұрын

Xbox jumped the gun and the Series X is the Pro model of the Series S. Makes sense for a Pro model of the PS5 to come out now. Day one buy for me. I am assuming this will even help PS VR2 reach better framerates without resorting to reprojection. But yes we need games!!

@Momo4060i

11 ай бұрын

100% Agreed.

@GeneralS1mba

8 ай бұрын

It won't be underutilized considering many new games have the ps5's internal resolution dipping regularly below 1080p, like remnant 2 having to run at 720p to reach 60 FPS and that's without everything cranked up. A PS5 pro will be very useful for these new ue5 games, mainly to ray trace most likely. The current gen consoles will probably still have 4k 60 and 1440p 60 targets, just with 900-1200-1600p upscaling

@professorx2607

8 ай бұрын

​@@Momo4060i👍

@professorx2607

8 ай бұрын

Been saying it for a while now, good to see others see it too. We need quality true next gen games that are optimized, not a waste like starfield that could've been so much better.😒

We really need to stop calling the Q a 'handheld'. It's a Gamepad, same as the WiiU's.

@ChicagoBulls1984

Жыл бұрын

But doesnt the Q lite do remote play via wifi outside of the house?

Don’t see myself getting involved with 8k for a very long time so the only thing I’m concerned with is bumping up the 4K frame rates and improving ray tracing which it seems like the pro is going to help solve so if they can manage pushing 4K60 on the pro for most games then I’ll be in line day one for it

@robertlittle8623

Жыл бұрын

As bad as an idea this lets face it we prolly still gonna buy that shit for a minimal increase to performance. Wish it would be like some sort of addon to an og PS5

@robertlawrence9000

Жыл бұрын

@@robertlittle8623 that makes zero sense

@robertlittle8623

Жыл бұрын

@@robertlawrence9000 what do you mean

@TheDunbartxeen

Жыл бұрын

i am still with 1080p TV and that will not change.

@GameslordXY

Жыл бұрын

@@robertlawrence9000 Zero sense? Why? Nintendo 64 got the Pro upgrade in late 1998 via the Expansion Pak that got installed into a console. Initially console had just 4MB of Rambus DRAM. With the Expansion Pak? 8. Higher resolution, Higher framerates(unless developers decided to ignore framerates and push everything else instead like it happened with Perfect Dark that you couldn't even start in SP without it🤣),better overal visuals. Switch is much stronger in Docked mode. So IF Nintendo can do it,why not Sony as well? Perhaps they should just release some simple to use overclocking tool for PS5 owners to overclock CPU,GPU and RAM few hundred megahertz each. That would help to some degree.

If 30 fps becomes standard for base hardware, that's when pro hardware should be an option for those gamers who want higher performance no matter what.

@doh4828

Жыл бұрын

Or you buy a PC.

@MGrey-qb5xz

Жыл бұрын

and also less gpu and more cpu intensive games, seriously focus on animations and physics.

@cinemapigeon4898

Жыл бұрын

@@doh4828 Same thing happens on PC though. A once solid 1070 after many years has to compromise and compromise and compromise on graphical settings to get high performance in the latest and greatest game before eventually newer components are required.

@PAIN007NAGATO

Жыл бұрын

@@doh4828 people like to play on biig tvs

I vividly remember 120hz to be a PS5 selling point, while most devs target 60hz for the performance modes. Unlike 8K, 120hz ‘only’ requires double performance, which is achievable with recent HW developments (and features like frame insertion).

@GameslordXY

Жыл бұрын

VRR help a lot for some reason. Supposedly it should be much close to Freesync and G-Sync,but it acts more like something in-between those and FSR/DLSS. Like a bridge of sorts. It is most puzzling feature of them all.

Need a Pro for 60fps+. Just advertise is a more frames box for people who dont want to get a PC.

@KnucklesWTD

Жыл бұрын

60fps for a couple of years then you will need a PS6.

@KnucklesWTD

Жыл бұрын

@@JesterHavoc. as technology advances it’s inevitable plus it’s an easy marketing strategy they can recycle

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

@@KnucklesWTD The ps6 should be able to run every UE5 game at 4k60fps but when the next gen UE6 comes out it will most likely struggle to run those games at 4k and the same cycle is gonna repeat and we'll need a ps6 pro

PS5 Pro for sharper and more VR capability!

Getting a Pro. DF: The higher settings and RT features makes games look better on more powerful PC hardware. Also DF: We don’t understand the need for more powerful hardware…

@danb6532

Жыл бұрын

you are taking the comment out of context. In context they are pointing out that the ps5 hasnt even hit its full potential as quite simply there isnt that many ps5 only games. hasn't the argument always been if you have to design a game to run on multiple pieces of hardware then you are never truly getting the best out of that system? going by that logic the base ps5 will hold back the pro which is what John in the video eluded to.

@gameindustryinsider6450

Жыл бұрын

@@danb6532 Indeed. Just as with the PS4 and the PS4Pro, where the Pro didn’t supplant the base system, it just provided a little extra.

@sb0277

Жыл бұрын

@@danb6532 ps5 is already back to 30fps 720p upscaled on newer titles and people still claim it hasnt hit its full potential.

@jaglemans6778

Жыл бұрын

@@danb6532 Potential is relative. There will certainly be more impressive PS5 game as we move through the generation. But we will still have Quality & Performance modes. No one can accuse Insomniac of not getting all they can out of PS5 with each new title. But Spider-Man 2 will still look and perform better on PS5 Pro - likely with a mode that combines 4K/60/RT.

@HardRockCafe-qt5ey

Жыл бұрын

​@@sb0277 Horizon FW Burning Shores says hi

When these Pro models come to the market , it causes a surge of used base consoles into the mix. Pretty smart as some buyers of ps5 can probably only afford a $350 preowned disc version. People forget that ps4 sales truly exploded once the slim came out at $200-$250. That’s when I got my first ps4 in 2018(a preowned slim at $200).

I think the purpose is more so for 120hz support. Many games run at 120hz with highly degraded graphical settings. As games progress and become more GPU intensive some developers may even opt not to include a 120hz mode on base ps5 at all, similar to how series x has more 120hz support than series s.

@Haddley333

Жыл бұрын

120? I’m disappointed that they can’t get 60 and 30 is becoming the standard again

@renjojo1003

Жыл бұрын

@@Haddley333what are you talking about? All ps5 exclusives run at 120 with vrr do you have a ps5? What games but a few are 30fps, The standard? No stupidity is the standard dummy.

@christinaedwards5084

Жыл бұрын

Lowest common denominator! Most console owners will use a 4k 60hz tv. (£300) Only a few enthusiasts will have QHD 120hz gaming monitors (£250-£300) , and those fewer again with more money than brain cells will have 4k 120hz tvs. (£1200-£1500)

@BCBtheBeastlyBeast

Жыл бұрын

@@christinaedwards5084 Unnecessary attack on 4k 120hz TV owners. It's not like the reason they own them is solely for gaming. If you like really good picture quality, the TV you'll want to get probably has 120hz as a feature anyway.

@christinaedwards5084

Жыл бұрын

@@BCBtheBeastlyBeast I’m not a fan of television in general, don’t take it personally. My head cannot justify why someone would pay so much for a display when a) they can’t utilise it b) nothing but propaganda is aired.

I'll gladly take it if it provides 60fps at 4k with "quality mode" in games - I play games at 30fps right now because I just can't stand how blurry the image looks on a lot of performance modes or how quality gets degraded. Overall 30fps is fine, but the input lag you feel is insane. It would also save me from switching back and forth between performance modes to see which one I can tolerate more. When I bought ps5 at start I loved the fact I can just open game, put in in quality mode and have it running at 60fps after it got patched for current gen. They could also paint very clear distinction between the consoles this way. Normal PS5 - two graphics modes 30fps quality and 60 performance as always and pro would be hitting quality at 60 straight up, so less work for developers also.

@Gosu9765

Жыл бұрын

Ah - and VR. Quality mode for VR headsets would be very welcome as for example GT5 has very visible LOD transitions on cars and the foviated rendering even to does its job, is quite distracting with all the aliasing happening on your vision periphery.

@DalazG

Жыл бұрын

That was because most early ps5 games were essentially enhanced ps4 games. So the extra resources could easily be moved towards frames. The only reason we will get 60fps in the future is if sony forces a 60fps mandate rather than allowing developers to choose how to use the hardware

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

The ps6 should be able to run every UE5 game at 4k60fps but when the next gen UE6 comes out it will most likely struggle to run those games at 4k and the same cycle is gonna repeat and we'll need a ps6 pro

FFXVI running at 720p to lock to 60fps and Starfield running at 30fps are very compeling reasons for a Refresh next year.

@MisterDevos

Жыл бұрын

If Starfield was running at 60 fps. You entitled dipshits would complain over and over about frame dips. You people are never happy.

@MrTrebol4hojas

Жыл бұрын

In the case of ffxiv, I think it lacked a bit of optimization and maybe less intensive graphics. And for starfield, is an open world with sandbox elements on a console and made by bethesda.

@ldope3904

Жыл бұрын

@@MrTrebol4hojas Lol a Playstation exclusive not optimized for the only platform it got released on... copium is heavy in these comments. PS5 cannot run modern games at 4k60fps. PS5 Pro is confirmed and hopefully it can run 4k60fps, they will immediately take my $700 for that.

@elwingy

Жыл бұрын

or maybe devs could do a bit better job... you know... I mean FFXVI certainly doesnt look better than Horizon Forbidden West and it definitely isnt as open world as HFW is and it certainly doesnt have as many mechanics as HFW and yet that cross platform game runs at 80-90 fps in much higher resolution, or locked 60 fps at close to 4K resolution... so yeah... it isnt just the hardware. people find that 1 or 2 games that arent properly optimized or coded and act as if it is the very proof of new hardware required. That 100% PC mentality... I am not saying that refreshes shouldnt exist, but just that we shouldnt consider it the first chance we get. On a final note, this fixation with numbers is insane in this hobby... We dont need 4K 60 fps on consoles. 1440p with clean IQ and 60 fps is fine. There are a lot of tricks like checker boarding or dynamic res scaling that can give nice clean IQ and saving a lot of resources needed for more important things like actual gfx fidelity.

@Longlius

10 ай бұрын

FFXVI is running on a very new game engine which is an evolution of the previous luminous and crystal tools engines. It's hardly indicative of any serious flaws with the PS5's design, but rather the immaturity of Square-Enix's internal technology.

If PS5 Pro hits 4K 60 I think it’s worth buying. Just saying. But maybe I’m just the target market for that product, as I have the disposable cash for that item 🤷‍♂️

@1Aquadon

Жыл бұрын

I started researching a computer gaming rig.. and got stuck in all the mire of company wars and severe overprice of the most cutting edge parts. So a real banging machine was upwards of $5000 and thats around, lets say PS5 Pro was even $650, thats still 7.7 machines that one doesn't have to tweek with(or 14.5% to upspec).. just insert disc/fire up game and play for the most part. to me thats a win

@86lanzo

Жыл бұрын

Even if its upscaled

@severinevans346

Жыл бұрын

​@@1AquadonExcept it will never match a high end PC since its power limited

@jaglemans6778

Жыл бұрын

@@1Aquadon I also started having a tentative look at new gaming PC's when I heard the GPU market had cooled down. Was hoping you could now pick up something higher end for £1500-£1800. Shocked to see anything at this higher performance range was closer to £3000! And this was with a mid-spec GPU, not the best of the best.

@ldope3904

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. They have my 700 immediately if the pro can do 4k60fps. At least we know 100% a PS5 Pro is coming, just hoping for the right performance

I would just wait for the PS6 where that will be more of a huge jump for performance, I think PS5 pro will just be a waste of time

@muresanandrei7565

Жыл бұрын

No it won't be you will be able to get 60fps at fidelity mode with ray tracing stop the cap.

@lordspalse0062

Жыл бұрын

You mean waste of money

@muresanandrei7565

Жыл бұрын

@@lordspalse0062 cry

@danb6532

Жыл бұрын

@@muresanandrei7565 what type of ray tracing? are you talking 60fps at native 4k resolution as well with full ray tracking at 4k instead of half resolution or less ray tracing found in spiderman and the such?

@muresanandrei7565

Жыл бұрын

@@danb6532 Yes of course. By the look of the leaks this new pro model gpu would be somewhere around 2x more powerful.

If they’re seriously considering 8k at this time they’ve completely missed the mark.

don’t know if a 25+ minute video fits into “clips”, effort is still appreciated.

Steady 4K 60fps and I am 100% getting this on day ONE !

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

The ps6 should be able to run every UE5 game at 4k60fps but when the next gen UE6 comes out it will most likely struggle to run those games at 4k and the same cycle is gonna repeat and we'll need a ps6 pro

If the Pro takes current levels that next step further then I’m in. I want to see Fidelity Mode 4k60 and Performance Mode 4k120.

The "problem" being solved is keeping ahead of the dreaded 30fps downgrade. We are already seeing it in games like Starfield. Imo... 60fps needs to be a BARE MINIMUM baseline in gaming. 30fps needs to be talked about in the past tense. A Pro console would buy is more years to have all games at 60fps and tbh, we need constant premium console upgrades to assure we never have to go back to horrid, garbage 30fps games. That is the use case and its 100% totally worth it to me

Hope not only more powerful, but also has a better design.

I want the pro. Why not? It’s options people.

@Deedric_Kee

Жыл бұрын

Exactly 👍

Let me put this bluntly but clear. Nobody is asking for 8K on a console, nobody is asking for performance crippling ray tracing on consoles. Especially since those consoles are AMD based machines and AMD hardware simply underperforms in ray tracing. All most of us want is (upscaled if needed) 4K 60. Just give us that Sony. Just hard lock that 60 fps in every title going forward.

4K 60 would be the main selling point. Also full res PSVR2 on most games would be nice (just look at red matter 2).

@Olibelus

Жыл бұрын

Funny how PS5 was supposed to be 4K 60... Heck, you could even argue PS4 Pro was somewhat marketed at 4K 60 for some games. I don't know why they are moving the goal posts all the time.

@deafblindnoob2748

Жыл бұрын

@@Olibelus marketing I guess

@jaglemans6778

Жыл бұрын

@@Olibelus The great majority of AAA game are 4K/60 (be it native or upscaled). We are now starting to see some exceptions, but it's big news when a game doesn't hit these marks. For me the biggest benefit of PS5 Pro would be combining the best of Quality & Performance modes. RT'ing can make a big different to games like GT7 and I'd like to see extensive use of the tech in-game.

@illestcatnnebraska7331

Жыл бұрын

My only gripe with PS5 is when u use 120fps mode, the color format changes from RGB to yuv422

@XhoowieX

Жыл бұрын

​@@OlibelusPS4 pro to PS5 is fair enough, because it's (in theory, at least) 4k60 on higher end games, a generational leap. PS5 pro being advertised as 4k60 would leave more of a sour taste in the mouth, given that PS5 was marketed as being able to play PS5 games at 4k60.

The obsession with 4k and above is something that only happens in a tiny community of gamers. The vast majority of gamers and people who watch movies etc genuinely dont care about it.

We have only just started getting PS5 only titles which means that developers can focus on the PS5 only. I am somewhat disappointed that Sony seems to be dropping the PS5 when people (myself included) have only in the last 6 months be able to walk into a shop and buy one, at least in the uk. Development costs will probably increase as devs will have to spend time and money optimising all of the different consoles versions.This will be passed onto the consumer. Probably a touch of sour grapes on my side as only bought a PS5 in February 2023 and looks like it will be overshadowed in about a years time…😢

@Omar-kl3xp

Жыл бұрын

They are not dropping the ps5 at all ,the ps5 pro will not replace the ps5. They will simply just bump up the performance on the ps5 pro while the ps5 would be where the games would be developed like they did with the base ps4 ,nothing will change , however it would be great for those that want to have a higher performance.

@SuperNova-py1ec

Жыл бұрын

@@Omar-kl3xp I realise PS5 will still be sold . My point is that developers will likely not spend as much time optimising games for original PS5 . They will just rely on the Pro performance to reach their intended benchmark. Not to mention yet another console for the devs to manage. I think the PS4 pro had a 20% share of the PS4 overall sales. So it’s not a big benefit to Sony. I am just frustrated that the original PS5 will be sidelined. Appreciate the PS6 will be the next step on but one would hope for a good while longer as the pandemic caused so many delays it getting the ps5 out there. The current PS5 is not close to be pushed to its limits .

I’m on board with everything but the iterative upgrades thing. The issue is I know the staff at DF is used to buying superfluous PC upgrades for $10,00 a piece until these oversized raytracing PC suppositories are obsolete _in a few months_ after release. It is _undesirable_ to have to pay $500 every two years to make sure one or two games remain properly optimized, like a Mortal Kombat game. This is not going to happen. The iterative path is the wrong road for games. It’s not thoughtful. At a mere _shallow_ glance what works for phones _is dysfunctional_ for the masses when it comes to video games. It is identical to the flawed thinking behind Battle Passes in every game just because Fortnite got there first. It’s a hot-take and the wrong one with absolute certainty. Nintendo is a miserable option for anyone, but they have proven to understand this particular assignment, right down to the hard copy of a video game that only exists in a single space in time. People don’t even have good internet in the Midwest and now they’re being asked to invest another $500 after they’ve purchased 40 million _scalped_ PS5’s. Dudes! Iterative consoles are bad for business and are just as unrealistic an expectation for players as expecting players to buy into a Battle Pass grind for every single game. Time and money are openly disrespected. I would never make a PS5 Pro. Period. Imagine seeing GTA 5 on the shelf with a PS5 Pro label, the only person who would think this is a good idea is a shareholder. You know, those who know nothing. Game consoles are not as essential to quality of life as computers and smart devices. Until they are, iterative consoles are toast. I don’t do my taxes on a Steamdeck. I literally do and have done my taxes and work on my iPhone. Edit: People _“being accustomed to upgrading their hardware”_ is a corporate strawman take if I’ve ever heard one. That’s a wrong and cursed comment.

Just hope this hypothetical PS5 Pro offers 1440p120 mode besides 4K60.

28 min "clip" haha GG DF! Love it!!

This length of video is more my style. Great decision DF

Funny how this comes out the same day that prices drop to £399 in loads of stores.

I'm not bothered about 8k. I can barely get excited for 4k. 1440 at 60 is my personal sweet-spot. VR is more interesting to me now anyway and that's all about more FOV and decent frame rates without reprojection preferably. I'll be doing my usual of skipping until there is a decent leap in capability, which will be PS7 or whatever Xbox come up with if they are still bothering with consoles by then.

I'll take 1080p @ 60 fps over 4k 30 fps ANY DAY. They've fooled so many gamers with that 4k buzz word.

To be frank - the 9th generation of consoles have BARELY started, and only now are the games moving away from PS4 and Xbox One. This is a completely different situation from the 8th gen consoles that launched horrendously under-powered in the first place.

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

This gen is well disappointing. Consoles struggling no way they can do a AAA game with 4K native at 60fps, then there’s raytracing which it simply doesn’t have the power to do. The norm in quality seems to be 1440 native at 30fps or slightly upscaled which is a long way from native

The Touryst is an 8K game on the PS5 .

@rap2sai

Жыл бұрын

Its odd that DF did the analysis of the game and said this is the 1st 8k console game but now they are playing dumb. Can't take this Chaps seriously anymore.

@hadiabdul9266

Жыл бұрын

@@rap2sai1 game out of their entire library running in 8k invalidates their argument? tf? their wider point is also that 8k displays are not mainstream so Sony is not being prudent for pushing them so hard over aiming for 4k60/1440p60

@rap2sai

Жыл бұрын

@@hadiabdul9266 the issue is they should have mentioned it and elaborated on why developers may have chosen not to do it (for obvious reasons i.e performance) or lack of 8k displays. DF juat said PS5 has 8k on the box but no 8k games. That is called selective narrative. Not capping for Sony but at least they have one game running 8k @30fps. No other console has done that.

@hadiabdul9266

Жыл бұрын

@@rap2sai if less than 0.1% of your games library is able to run 8k then you've absolutely failed to make an 8k console as advertised. idk why you guys think DF are being disingenuous here. its like saying cyanide is not poisonous because 1 person in history has survived it.

I am all for the PS5 Pro, seems like a late 2024 release

@cinemapigeon4898

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, for those gamers who want to play say GTA 6 in 4k 60 fps (because it's highly likely GTA 6 will be a 30 fps game on base ps5/series hardware, although what that allows is going to be an incredibly beautiful and realized open world, etc...), they should have that option.

@GazpachzYT

Жыл бұрын

​@cinemapigeon4898 PS5 pro will be released on 2025 o late 2026 and you wrong about gta 6 will be stuck with 30fps on ps5.

@cinemapigeon4898

Жыл бұрын

@@GazpachzYT Yes, that's what I said, that GTA 6 will be a 30 fps game.

@Wiiillllson151

Жыл бұрын

​@@GazpachzYTThe pro will be out Nov next year. Almost garrentee it.

@ttwinsturbo

Жыл бұрын

People are stupid… PS5 pro don’t give you 4k 60 fps. Rumors says that Pro is 16TF gpu with the same cpu, series x is 12 TF. Is only 4 TF difference. Ps5 pro will be close to RX6800 PC gpu 16 TF this gpu is 1440p lvl. 4k GPUs start at 35 TF RTX3090 - 40 TF 3090TI - 50 TF 4080 and 83 TF 4090 in AMD side 25 TF RX6950XT or 61 TF RX7900XTX PS5 pro will be good 1440p console and standard ps5 is 1080p console. But almost all devs chose 4k res on ps5 and we get scaled res from 1298p /1080p to 4k and 30 fps on medium setting.

A PS5 Pro should just be about hitting higher frame rates imo. Get those 30fps games upto 60 and 60 to 90-120fps. That is what kills consoles for me. I have a PS5 and barely play it over my 4090/7800X3D on my livingroom OLED at 120hz.

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

The PS6 should be able to run every UE5 game at 4k60fps but when the next gen UE6 comes out it will most likely struggle to run those games at 4k and the same cycle is gonna repeat and we'll need a ps6 pro

PS5 Pro would be absolutely pointless. 8K TV's aren't mainstream at all yet, super niche, most people are happy if they have a basic 4K TV and there are barely any true Next-Gen games pushing the console to its limits.

@Donald_Allan

Жыл бұрын

I think 8K is pointless. If you try to do a side by side comparrison people can't tell even the difference between 4K and 8K.

@Olibelus

Жыл бұрын

@@Donald_Allan Yeah, also the average joe unfortunately can’t even really tell 1080p to 4K apart. Obviously most people can, but it’s not uncommon for people to not notice stuff like that lol, let alone 4K vs 8K…

@Donald_Allan

Жыл бұрын

@@Olibelus I remember seeing a video where someone asked people if the could tell the difference between 1080p, 1440p and 4K with the video switching between the different resolutions at multiple points and nobody could tell that the resolution had changed.

I just want all games to have a 60FPS performance option. If a PS5 Pro supplies that consistently then I will upgrade

@COOLFRIEND

Жыл бұрын

Why? Most games are movie games. I could understand wanting 60fps in competitive shooters or other precision titles - but AAA games that push the hardware are movie games.

@zenvultra

Жыл бұрын

@@COOLFRIEND 60FPS is good for all games, not everyone enjoys playing choppy games and that’s why the option should be available. If you enjoy 30fps then good for you, but speak for yourself only

@COOLFRIEND

Жыл бұрын

@@zenvultra “choppy games”. Games aren’t choppy at a steady 30fps. If a game doesn’t require ultra precise timing and input then 30fps is great and is much better for creating mood and atmosphere.

@COOLFRIEND

Жыл бұрын

@@zenvultra it’s the same reason people prefer moves in 24fps rather than 60.

@zenvultra

Жыл бұрын

@@COOLFRIEND You’re comparing movies to games which are different categories and games require interaction via controller, unlike movies were you simply watch. If you have a preference for 30FPS then that’s fine, but don’t downplay other people who enjoy a smoother experience. This is why I said the options should be available for both types of players, but if you want to ignore that then you’re just trolling at this point.

If ps5 pro is 100% backwards compatible with ps1-4, including the upgrade over the ps5, then i'll buy it.😎

I think it would just be a performance mode console. 60+ fps would always be an option (outside of poorly made games that are locked at 30, also older games) going forward. I'm sure Sony sees the Starfield 30 fps controversy (which makes complete sense for the wild galactic scope of that game), and thinks they don't want to experience that when/if a first party title isn't able to hit a 60 fps (which will happen, some cutting edge graphical powerhouse title of a game will release and be incredible but won't be able to hit 60 fps on base hardware). That is when a "if you want to play every game no matter what at higher framerates, buy our upgraded pro console". It's the only way forward.

@ldope3904

10 ай бұрын

PLEASE gimme the Pro console. Gaming at 30fps, regardless of resolution is NOT next gen gaming. I'm ready for true next gen gaming

@GeneralS1mba

8 ай бұрын

​@@ldope3904yes, 1800p-2160p 60 FPS with ray tracing not on low settinfs

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

@@ldope3904 The ps6 should be able to run every UE5 game at 4k60fps but when the next gen UE6 comes out it will most likely struggle to run those games at 4k and the same cycle is gonna repeat and we'll need a ps6 pro

Full 4k at a stable 60fps. That's all that's wanted as a base from each game.

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

The ps6 should be able to run every UE5 game at 4k60fps but when the next gen UE6 comes out it will most likely struggle to run those games at 4k and the same cycle is gonna repeat and we'll need a ps6 pro

If we get a PS5Pro, a Xbox Series Elite and the Switch 2 in 2024, that would mean 6 SKUs for current gen games(if the Switch 2 is comparable to the PS4Pro). Now remember how Jedi Fallen Order launched.

@MrNYCinc

Жыл бұрын

No new Xbox is coming out, nobody bought the current one

@justacollegestudent5147

Жыл бұрын

@@MrNYCincthe Xbox is selling really well. Not near the ps5 but it’s well over half the sales around 26ish million units solid. Never mind Microsoft is playing the gamepass game compared to just selling straight up console units and games since they can’t compete fully there and they do cloud and digital so much better then Sony. Im shocked by how many pc gamers who use pc game pass for cheap games just run it locally and friends who can’t afford consoles and with lower standards play cloud on their phone with a controller

I wouldn't be surprised if one of the features of PS5 PRO is extra functionality, like dual processing allowing full screen couch coop on Project Q or PSVR2

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as the 6800 XT and the games are getting more demanding every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $500 console.

@ThepurposeofTime

6 ай бұрын

@@randyrrs7028 lots more power needed with barely any graphical improvements. Sounds about right 😂

Time to make this video again. Tom Henderson has confirmed the specs for a new leak

Even if it comes out in 2024 we won't be able to find 1 for 2 years due to scalpers 😂

@papichuckle

Жыл бұрын

Then next gen would be out in 2028 so by time you could get one you'd get 2 years out of the pro Maybe 1 year if it comes out in the end of 2024

Forget about 8K We don’t want too see 30FPS only 60fps or more

Focus on reliable 4K at 120fps, then i'm sold.

We don't need 8K. We NEED: 4K 120 FPS Mode VRR HDR on all Games! Fully utilizing HDMI 2.1 capabilities! With optional Ray Tracing FX toggle. Native 4K 120 FPS VRR is the sweetspot of graphics Quality and Performance - and we need all games to utilize and deliver that and run high 120 FPS on modern 120 Hz VRR HDR HDMI 2.1 4K TVs like LG C2 OLED! Also add Dolby Vision and all the good stuff! 4K 120 FPS VRR Mode is a true Game Changer! Combine 120 FPS with Native 4K (or maybe 1800P) + VRR + HDR + optional RT = amazingly fluid, responsive and mind blowing picture and motion.

I actually think both Sony and Microsoft need to start trying to focus on at least 60 FPS before they start talking about a brand new system especially at the Box on the outside says 8K gaming

@adamjjohnsen

Жыл бұрын

Every single game I've played this generation on my PS5 has been 60fps or better. I'm not sure why PS5 gets lumped into the Microsoft fiasco of Redfall and (very likely) Starfield

@86lanzo

Жыл бұрын

​@adamjjohnsen it gets lumped in because its the same console gen the same architecture and games run roughly the same on both..Starfield and redfall would be 30fps if they were on ps5 and xbox series has more 60fps games and 120fps games then ps5..hopefully that answers your question.

@Deedric_Kee

Жыл бұрын

​@@adamjjohnsenSame 👍

@adamjjohnsen

Жыл бұрын

@86lanzo No it doesn't, it's just more spin. Series X has more old games from 360 gen that run at 120 fps not new games There have been exactly zero new games released on PS5 that didn't have a 60fps mode where as literally 100% of next gen only Xbox exclusives have launched with only a 30fps mode (not my fault there's only 1) So again I ask why people lump PS5 in with the 30fps fiasco that only Microsoft is guilty of?

@86lanzo

Жыл бұрын

Silly point my dude Xbox or Sony doesn't choose to focus on FPS or Graphics or AI or whatetever.. Developers choose what to focus on.. Platform holders like xbox and Sony provide platforms(console) that are capable and devs choose what to do with it The xbox series and ps5 are very capable consoles not like the xbone and ps4..they can easily run 60 fps and many games at 120 fps.. But when devs decide to pumpthere games with more things thats when FPS tanks.. Starfield is 30FPS on console because bethesda pumps their games with alot of persistant world simulation stuff that takes up cpu cycles Even if consoles were as powerful as the most powerful pcs we'd still be having this issue because devs will just see the opportunity to put more in their games and care about performance after.. Its not Sonys or Microsofts fault Look at the Nintendo switch if they put games like Starfield on the switch it simply wouldn't run

4k has been around since 2001, and I still don't care at all. Higher framerate and 1440p is night and day compared to 4k choppy. The idea of 8k gaming is hilarious to me, and will be easily another 20 years before that's the standard.

as is still have a 1080p TV and will have it until it breaks :), i guess i'm fine with my Series S.

I upgraded from the OG to Slim over a Pro last time to save the $100 difference or whatever it was, won't be making that mistake again. I got a PS4 Pro later and for that $100 it was such a better experience.

I was hoping that base PS5 provides stable 60fps (without any performance/fideliyy/dlss) in every game and that PS5 Pro will be pushing 120fps.

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

The PS5 Pro is said to be as powerful as the 6800 XT and the games are getting hungrier every year too, At that time even a 4080 would barely be enough for 4K 60. And don't expect the performance of a 5080 in a $600 console.

PS5 Pro is to allow 4K/RT/60 what already would be a big quality jump.

@SlayerSeraph

Жыл бұрын

Make it 4K 120 FPS VRR HDR, optional RT toggle

The problem is still 4k. Current gen consoles still struggle to do 4k/60. However, I don't think a wide variety big new AAA games running 4k/60 on console will ever happen. When consoles get more powerful, then games get bigger and more detailed. Also, the console player base has shown time and time again that they are accepting of 30fps games.

@outlawfly664

Жыл бұрын

mw2 already run at 4k 60fps, or 1440p 120fps depending on choice (1440p good enough for me), so does destiny 2 at 4k 60 fps and dozen other games.

@JerrySpringfield1

Жыл бұрын

@@outlawfly664 Multiplayer games do tend to be easier to run, but most games that do achieve a 4k/60 use some kind of dynamic resolution that "targets" 4k. I'm not saying 4k/60 games don't exist, only that it's not the baseline and I don't think it will be, because devs have other priorities. And obviously I'm not talking about indie or esports games that are going to be easier to run. I also think 1440 with higher fps is preferred to 4k/60. I play at 1440 165fps on my PC. I was commenting on what devs are focusing on for console games.

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

This gen is well disappointing. Consoles struggling no way they can do a AAA game with 4K native at 60fps, then there’s raytracing which it simply doesn’t have the power to do. The norm in quality seems to be 1440 native at 30fps or slightly upscaled which is a long way from native

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

The PS6 should be able to run every UE5 game at 4k60fps but when the next gen UE6 comes out it will most likely struggle to run those games at 4k and the same cycle is gonna repeat and we'll need a ps6 pro

I Like the Idea to wait from pro to pro. 😊 (3 years Software for both generations, after 3 years hardware ist old

I'm buy one just for the added power for my VR.

We've seen baby ray tracing at best in the current gen. We don't need 8k, we need ray tracing at 60p and 1080-1440p. There's tons of room for improvement for a PS5 Pro.

Oliver has the voice of an angel. He could sing opera.

I'm interested in Elden Ring on the PS5 Pro.

PS4 Pro was pretty much an underclocked rx 480 and this PS5 Pro will be an underclocked 7800XT but with better RT.

PS5 Pro will be what PS5 should've been 4K 60fps as standard No 30fps No 40fps it's either 60fps or more but No 30fps Sony really under deliver with PS5 based on their insane Marketing 8k 120fps hell even on the box they have 8k with larger font then 4k

@SegaSnatchers

Жыл бұрын

To be fair a large percentage of PS5 games already have 60fps modes, most are not 30fps, but a Pro would be able to offer more consistent fps.

The use case here is solid 4k 60, and 1440p 120, without other compromises. Plus more beef for PSVR2 and possible frame rate improvements there.

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

The ps6 should be able to run every UE5 game at 4k60fps but when the next gen UE6 comes out it will most likely struggle to run those games at 4k and the same cycle is gonna repeat and we'll need a ps6 pro

I've only had my PS5 for six months I was on a waiting list since 2020. Now a pro is coming! We need PS5 games and VR2 titles.

They need to stop developing games for the XB1/PS4 generation before they even think about a PS5 Pro.

If we haven't learned that specs are more of a gimmick than PS Move/Kinect/Wii Remote ever was, it should be evident in the CONSTANT news articles CHASING new consoles and specs, while NEVER NOTICING how none of these consoles ever fully take advantage of them. BOTH PS5/Series X can't guarantee 60fps or even 1080p in every frame per game. Yes I said 1080p. If games are still using dynamic resolution, the problem isn't specs. The problem is game development. That means the STUDIOS are to blame for performance. Which means they need more TIME. Which means PUBLISHERS need to fund them more, but they'd rather pad profit for their INVESTORS. Y'all gotta wake up. The spec discussion (and the console war) spun by press and even sites like DF perpetuate this foolishness specifically so most won't see this point and DEMAND MORE from 3rd party publishers who openly own how the market goes. They even directly invest in gaming press right in front of our faces. Consoles alleviate the need for "settings" (no multitude of drivers or system settings, etc), so they should NEVER be discussed as such. Bespoke hardware requires bespoke development, and you're being indirectly told that the HARDWARE that NEVER CHANGES is the problem. I don't expect any likes for this comment, but it will be seen. Do with this information as you will.

After how loud the fan was on my PS4 pro, I don’t think I’ll be buying another pro edition console.

I'm ready for new PS5 Pro because PS5 and XSX just don't have the power to run the games at 4K

If it doesn’t sound right it probably isn’t right. This rumour was leaked to take the spotlight off Xbox

@MrNYCinc

Жыл бұрын

What spotlight? Being in 3rd place🤣

I knew as soon as I finally grabbed a PS5 that there would be rumblings of a Pro lol. I mean, the only thing I think I'd want soon is 4K 60/120fps. As being limited to 30fps is kinda frustrating sometimes. But apart from that, I find the PS5 to be an amazing bit of kit

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

The PS6 should be able to run every UE5 game at 4k60fps but when the next gen UE6 comes out it will most likely struggle to run those games at 4k and the same cycle is gonna repeat and we'll need a ps6 pro

Current PS5 right now already says it can do 8K, and realistically no game will and or should. We still have 30fps games, and it’s by choice when a developer decides they want to prioritize 4K graphics at 30fps. The cycle will always repeat every generation. It’s very rare to see a native 4K 60fps game that has very high visual fidelity on the level of Demon’s Souls Remake, Horizon: Forbidden West, RDR2, etc. This cycle will never change because of every generation, 30fps is still a reality due to the need for “CGI quality” graphics. Allow games to take a visual fit to make 60fps standard. Developers simply need to decide to make 60fps the standard no matter what and then go from there, never go back to 30fps.

@christinaedwards5084

Жыл бұрын

8k 30fps = 4k 120fps. Both being nearly 1 billion pixels per second. It’s nothing more than marketing spiel. Problem is 4k, QHD (1440p) @ 60fps is 220 million pixels per second, 4k 30fps is 250 million pixels per second. Had TV’s not grown so large and skipped QHD it would never of been a problem.

The problem is 4k at min of 60 fps with ray tracing enabled. The base ps5 can't do that see have to choose between performance or fidelity mode. The pro should mean that we don't have to make that choice. Performance mode on a pro could mean 120 fps with ray tracing off. Also, see jedi survivor, on performance mode there were several times where it dropped to what looked like 720p, and it was very noticeable on an LG OLED 4K screen.

@hetzerlee1019

Жыл бұрын

And how much do you expect to pay for the pro console with that kind of spec? A gaming rig running 4k 60 with raytracing cost way more than a console.

@ElectroFunkNinja

Жыл бұрын

@@hetzerlee1019 I'd expect somewhere between £500 and £600. They typically make a loss on the console initially and make up for it with game sales, and eventually the parts become cheaper. Also gotta remember that unlike when an individual builds a PC, Sony are obviously buying the parts in massive quantities and are likely to get a cheaper price than you or I would pay, it's economies of scale.

We are talking about 16K resolution when we can barely reach 60fps. Consume, consume, consume - that's all that matters now.

If the ps5 pro can bring 4k upscale with 120 fps and basic RT is a justified purchase.

I thought nanite was suppose to help with performance because the way it only renders visible stuff or was that some othe UE5 feature?

I’m done buying iterations of consoles that should have been properly spec’d to begin with. I would have rather paid a couple hundred more than 400+ more for yet another console.

As long as these awesome games continue coming, im in for the pro!

Frame Generation on FSR 3 would make 8k possible but it would probably look horrible as opposed to solid 4k performance. Pushing for 8K seems unnecessary at this point. To bastardize 8K make little sense when less then 2 percent of the gaming market has 8k displays. The PS5 pro, if launched should be aiming to create a faster/cleaner 4k experience. Aim for 8K with PS6 in 2026 when not only the hardware will be better but, the software and upscaling technologies have improved as well..

It's to mess with Microsoft. If they release a pro and get no response from Xbox, they win the power narrative. If Microsoft does bring out a series x pro, that'll mean they have 3 SKU'S. that'll piss off developers for having to make 3 different versions for the least popular platform, whilst also reigniting the whole series s argument.

@SegaSnatchers

Жыл бұрын

Devs don't have to touch a line of code for their games to benefit from midgen refresh consoles with built in boost modes.

@adamjjohnsen

Жыл бұрын

I doubt that Sony cares about the power narrative that's more of a Microsoft thing. Sony wins the games narrative and the games reality which is why they sell so many more consoles Likely it's cheaper and more effective to bridge the PS5 Pro to PS6 gap than PS5 to PS6 gap when they ultimately release a PS6

@ddp5406

Жыл бұрын

​@@SegaSnatcherslol yeah thats what they said about the series s too...that video is now private on their xbox KZread main page 😬

@davidandrew6855

Жыл бұрын

@@adamjjohnsen Really, you sure about Sony not caring about that? I beg to differ, they have always touted their higher performance numbers, when they had them. I remember they even said i the 2006 E3 presentation, "The next generation doesn't start until we say it does." So, this would be right up their marketing wheelhouse I would say. As for the notion of bridging a gap between PS5 and PS6, it would be no different than it was for the millions of PS4 owners that skipped the PS4 Pro and went to PS5. No issues, and a very nice performance jump to be enjoyed. Having a Pro variant won't make it any cheaper to R&D the PS6.

I think there are two easy reasons why some people will buy a PS5 Pro: PSVR 2 (you literally cannot ever have too much power for VR) and better chance of having stable 60fps at full 4k in games that struggle with it now.

For me 1080p is the standard and 2k is the sweet spot and 4k is where i think the ps5 pro or ps6 can meet that brute perfomance/power that is needed for that.

I dont understand how so few people that are gamers know nothing about the hardware "i want 4k, 60fps. I don't want to choose between fidelity and performance, it's last gen" It is so common... its not how the hardware works. Even ps1 had 60fps. Its not a hardware issue. It's a resource allocation decision. The only reason we had many early 60fps games were because they were essentially enhanced last gen games. As the hardware starts getting pushed, 30fps is a natural shift. The only way we would have 60fps in every game is if xbox and playstation applied a forced mandate on developers that they MUST reserve resources in order to hit 60fps by sacrificing other things. Instead of allowing the developers to choose Ps5 pro will likely have a 60fps performance mode on par with ps5 fidelity mode and a really high quality 30fps fidelity mode. The reason being is Sony now launching on pc obviously means they want to maintain parity as the generation evolves.

@DalazG

Жыл бұрын

They're obviously talking about 8k beverage they're not just a console company. They've always used their console to push other hardware,cds, dvds, bluray, 8k for tvs. Doesn't mean 8k will become the norm. Just marketing

the problem to solve is so obvious, increase graphic fidelity along with good frame rates, now we have 120hz TV 's, how can anyone not understand that, yeah 8k is a gimmick though and 30fps games are a joke I would not touch with a shit stick

Cool video but why is this on DF Clips? It’s a 30 minute video of new content. What exactly is DF ‘clips’? Also doesn’t show up on Eurogamer almost missed it.

Olie's common sense>

Unreal 5 needs optimization to use multiple cores more effectively, not more hardware! I don't think a ps5 pro would be very useful right now...

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

This gen is well disappointing. Consoles struggling no way they can do a AAA game with 4K native at 60fps, then there’s raytracing which it simply doesn’t have the power to do. The norm in quality seems to be 1440 native at 30fps or slightly upscaled which is a long way from native

@randyrrs7028

6 ай бұрын

The PS6 should be able to run every UE5 game at 4k60fps but when the next gen UE6 comes out it will most likely struggle to run those games at 4k and the same cycle is gonna repeat and we'll need a ps6 pro

If it delivers native 4k at 60 fps for all the games in this generation... I'm all up for it.

@wrusst

Жыл бұрын

@@rockapartie it can in the vast majority of games you talk like every game is remment 2 set to ultra 4k.

@wrusst

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@@rockapartie the Ps5 has 10 tflops of rDNA 2 and the xtx has over 60 rDNA 3 . If you aknowedge the ps5 can do 4k30 you can't even make the argument 600% more power can't do 4k 60. Do you even own an xtx and the xtx you call a disappointment is still the second most powerful GPU on the market today .

@wrusst

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@@rockapartie it's similar architecture and fps still put it as a clear second best GPU in the world in rast. You say smallest jumps but your talking an igpu in the ps5 not a full fat xtx . It's not even close to a 6800xt rDNA 2 never mind a 6950xt. Compare there's tflops then

@wrusst

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@@rockapartie then look at frames a 6600 is slightly slower than a ps5 on rDNA 2 gets on avg 35 frames at 4k an xtx gets 109. Guess that makes 4k 60 impossible in something with something more tuned directly to the console... Your xtx claim is just out right wrong

@wrusst

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@@rockapartie so over 200%more frames in 4k means nothing in 4k . Got it

I can already tell most games that will be on PS5 Pro will not even upscale to 8k. Sony markets it so it's more appealing console but just like PS5 box says 8K support it's up to Sony to push all developers to utilize it but they choose not to. It's infuriating when you see games like remnant 2 running at PS3 resolution and upscales to 1440p texture.

@SegaSnatchers

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Nobody cares about 8K and them bringing it up was just a way to try and play Devil's Advocate on what purpose it serves. All PS5 Pro needs to do is be a better 4K 60fps box than the base PS5. I really think they are downplaying the need because Xbox isn't coming out with a midgen refresh and they are on good terms with Microsoft.

@rjo78

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​​@@SegaSnatchersbingo,my thoughts exactly,but to hear from John linneman that series X is the midgen refresh,i gotta ask,how is the series S gonna hold the fort if it's already struggling for the devs of baldurs gate 3 to run a splitscreen mode on it and more devs are coming forth with problems they run into with series S around!!

How about we just try to reach 4k at 60fps or 120fps.

It’s a 1080ti. 4k 60 ultra is the goal