CECHL FAT console with 1TB SSD CFW 4.90 RSX Overclocked 600/750 I used twice cheaper and apparently twice as efficient liquid metal from China called LT-100. I've had over 30 hours of testing. The highest temperature I have recorded while playing every Crysis game. Speed fan always set to 28%. RSX - 69 degrees Celsius for a short while, then drop to a practically permanent 68 degrees Celsius. Cell - the highest I recorded when emulating PS2 games was 60 degrees Celsius. In over 30 hours of testing, I never once saw 70 degrees Celsius on the RSX. Testing time is approximately an hour of playing each of the tested games. Below are some of the results I recorded. MGS4 Cell - 59 RSX 62 Uncharted2 Cell - 57 RSX 62 MGS2HD Cell - 54 RSX 53 Killzone 2 Cell - 57 RSX 62 UT 3 Cell - 55 RSX 58 Bioshock Cell - 55 RSX 62 Dark Souls II Cell - 58 RSX 67 unlock framerate God of War Cell - 58 RSX 64 unlock framerate Battlefield 3 Cell - 55 RSX 58 Far Cry 3 Cell - 57 RSX 63 Skate 2 Cell - 57 RSX 60 unlock framerate RDR Cell - 60 RSX 65 Crysis Cell - 60 RSX 69 Crysis 2 Cell - 59 RSX 69

@timdark9282

5 ай бұрын

That's an L revision with a 65nm RSX and I believe a 65nm CPU, so those temps are to be expected on this revision

@bartsic85

5 ай бұрын

@@timdark9282 It's hard to judge since no one in the network has the cooling permanently set to 28%.

@Tanzu15

3 ай бұрын

28% dawg just put that thing At 40% and the temps would be crazy good. The point is to keep it as cool as possible. At 40% you’d be hitting 60 max maybe.

amazing job !!! a+

Quick shout Tim As good as liquid metal is it doesn't mix well with aluminium it can bond the due to the heat sink when it dries out which leads to the destruction of your Cell and RSX

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

It's not aluminium, it's plated copper so it's absolutely fine.

@baz7918

Жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 perfect as you will be putting mx4 on the surface plate against the heatsink 👍

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

@@baz7918 Absolutely, as the heatsink is almost certainly aluminium. So it's liquid metal on rhe CPU and RSX die and MX4 on the top side of the heat spreaders that make contact with the heatsink.

@baz7918

Жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 wouldn't it be nice if liquid metal was slightly thicker more like gel metal lol. That's certainly a major improvement in temperature really impressive how well it works.

So how is this better than artic silver? Also, in the GPU area, wouldn't it be advantageous to put some thermal pads on the chips on each corner?

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

It's much better than AS5. I have run tests and the liquid metal wins hands down. Make no mistake about it, liquid metal is the best thermal compound you can use on your PS3. Unfortunately putting thermal pads on the RSX ram chips would create a gap between the RSX die and the heat sink. This would lead to overheating of the RSX so not a good idea it's a good thought it just doesn't work

Did you remove the power supply top case for better cooling, is that damaging ps3 in any way and what liquid metal is that brand? Model? And when putting ihs did you leave that yellow tape on procesor

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

No, I don't remove the power supply, you can see this in the video,.it goes back in the case. No.its not damaging to the.PS3 in.any way. I use Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut Liquid Metal. I do leave the yellow tape as it stops the liquid metal from leaking onto the MB

can i also use thermal paste under the lid instead of the liquid metal

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it will just run a little warmer, that's all. Because these consoles have a 90nm RSX graphics chip, it can suffer from thermal stress. So, by reducing the temps so the system runs as cool as possible and reduces the risk of this. This is known as a flip chip error. The underfill of the RSX die starts to get softer and causes the die to lose contact with the chip. This creates a system error known as the YLOD (Yellow Light Of Death). So by applying liquid metal to the die keeps the console as cool as humanly possible. Reducing the temps by just one degree could make a difference in my tests. In some cases, liquid metal reduces the temps by 10 degrees. This potentially would add years of additional life to your console.

Liquid metal thermal paste also known as gallium and aluminum don't mix. A year later how is it doing?

@timdark9282

4 ай бұрын

It's plated copper not aluminium so it's running great 👍

after 4 hours my ps3 slim cpu still at 68 and rsx 73 fan speed 28 is that normal?

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

Those are de ent temps, normally its the early phat models that you need to worry about. The ones with the 90nm RSX, these need to be maintained well otherwise the RSX could fail

Where did you get your slippers?

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

Primark

Is it me or does that look like 10x the amount if liquid metal that should be applied?

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

It's you! I have applied less and found the temps to high do. I had to open the console and apply more! So this is the right amount for PS3

Tim, do you not apply conformal coating near the components of the RSx and the VRam Nands? Also what about it seeping out on to the mobo? How do you seal it?

@timdark9282

5 ай бұрын

I do, see my "delidding for beginners ' guide

@FR4M3Sharma

5 ай бұрын

@@timdark9282 👍

Do you reapply LM after a few weeks? I've heard it's good practice due the alloying of the contact parts essentially absorbing the LM.

@timdark9282

9 ай бұрын

What I do is create a mist coat of LM. What this does is your rubbing in some LM lnto the surface. This creates a barrier and the LM doesn't absorb into the surface.

How much would just a delid cost ? I dont want the case changed to white

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

Any console I get, I first have to check it has travelled well, and there are no flip chip errors due to knocks in the post. So after 1 hour of TLOU, I am happy it has none of these errors. I then dump the syscon error log and make sure it has no 30XX error codes in its history. If it does, it's likely to have been recovered with heat and is likely to fail again soon. If all this is clear, I then look to see if the console has ever been opened before. Once this is verified, I move on to the cleaning of the MB with isopropyl alcohol. After all that's done, I will now do a delid, which is done in the safest possible way using sealant remover and gental heat. The IHS gets put in boiling water and cleaned, leaving no residue. It then gets another clean with isopropyl alcohol........ The point is it takes a full day to do the full diagnosis and referbishment, so it's a lot of work if done correctly. I have had situations where the error codes indicate a possible RSX failure in the future, so any delid of the cell or rsx could render the console useless. This is why the diagnosis is so important. To many people who do delids, don't do a syscon check and wonder why the console stops working. For costings, just find me on eBay and send me a message

@cuttrogue

Жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 Could you make a delid video showing how to use sealant remover?

Should I put the lid back on

@asideofbeans5803

14 күн бұрын

I would definitely recommend that

Can you please add product links and names ?

How do I clean it Once I open it ??

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

I wash the plastic case with soap and water and let it dry. The inside i would use a soft brush to dust the console, and the motherboard I use isopropyl alcohol and a cotton wool bub to clean the board and the chips.

@thisisagtv

Жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 Thank you for the quick response

@thisisagtv

Жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 Just so I'm clear, when I open then the chips I clean the entire 2 with isopropyl alcohol ?

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

@thisisagtv yes, you clean the CPU and RSX die with isopropyl alcohol. However, de-lidding the CPU is not easy so be careful

The actual issue is called bumpgate. there's solder inside the chips inside the TG seal that breaks because the TG gets soft at 70C and allows the GPU to bend and break those connections

@timdark9282

2 ай бұрын

Thankfully, we now have Syscon error codes that we can now extract from the system control chip. This console actually had a 3004 error. This means the NEC tokins were severely damaged. I used RIP Felix tantalisers on the top side of the motherboard, replacing 4 tokins in total. This completely resolved the bad tokin issue, and the console is running great 👍

@andreiivanchykau2564

2 ай бұрын

@@timdark9282 you have to replace all 8 capasitors

@timdark9282

2 ай бұрын

@andreiivanchykau2564 I will eventually replace all the NEC tokins. For now, it's running absolutely fine 🙂

Please do a delid video on a slim PS3.

@nothing9544

4 ай бұрын

Some slim CPU models have been soldered to the IHS

Hello my friend good job very nice video! I want to make you some questions. You tested your PS3 im PS3 games? I have one PS3 fat model CECHC 04 in what temperature much put the program and the fan? I use up and down one mx4 arctic I have delid both. Ty!

@timdark9282

5 күн бұрын

Use Webman, in the fan settings, set max temp to 65 and min fan speed to 33

@user-fe4ef2tg4n

5 күн бұрын

@@timdark9282 thank you very much!

Impressive! Many degrees lower

@timdark9282

7 ай бұрын

I now apply LM to all my de-lids

insane temps

Nice results but doesn’t seem to be worth the risk. I was getting 58/61 at max of 62 in a delid over clock with Cooler Master Cryofuze and Thermalright Extreme Odyssey 2 pads

@timdark9282

9 күн бұрын

@ZombieWindex I now use double sided heat tape around the die to trap any LM. I have been doing this for 2 years with no issues

In order to remove the heat sink on the CPU, try "fishing line" and floss your way through the silicon seal instead.

@timdark9282

10 ай бұрын

Tony359 did exactly that as he believed this would be the safest method. He damaged a trace, so he tried my method and got a successful de-lid. I wouldn't recommend fishing wire. It's to risky

@NuckTH

10 ай бұрын

I did that with nylon thread. It is VERY tedious and yeah, there is risk to damage traces, through in my case only solder mask was sawed off.

Why did you spread the thermal paste across the die like that lol, you just need a pea size

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

You absolutely must spread the liquid metal onto the die and under the heat spreader. This gives maximum thermal transfer to the heat sinks. I believe your thinking about normal thermal paste, yes with normal paste like MX4 you don't need to spread the paste

@awsomestleaperd78

Жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 oh had no clue, only went on the video for the delid. Why the hell would anyone put liquid metal in a ps3

@trepanier01

Жыл бұрын

@@awsomestleaperd78 this is a fat PS3 it's very prone to the yellow light of death and to keep The thermals down on the die, liquid metal seems like the best idea here, maybe for the RAM chips he probably could have put a little bit of thermal paste on it but otherwise it's a great idea

@awsomestleaperd78

Жыл бұрын

@@trepanier01 liquid metal only lowers it by a degree or two. Cooler is far more important than compound

@trepanier01

Жыл бұрын

@@awsomestleaperd78 Yes and no liquid metal is the best type of thermal conductive yes it would be better to have a better cooler but considering it is a PS3 the thermals are high to keep it cooler and plus the original thermal paste that would be on the die would be bad anyway why not make it a bit better and do some preventions in there like he did

Impressive. Does the liquid métal Can leak in anyways?

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

I now use double sided heat tape to create a barrier that prevents the liquid metal from spilling onto the motherboard. You see me use this on the RSX on three sides, I now apply the tape to all four sides of the RSX and I also use the tape on the CPU around the die to stop any spillage

There should be a better lid. A pure copper polished lid if your going that far. That improves Temps in newer cpus

@timdark9282

5 ай бұрын

The IHS is made from plated copper.. I would need to look into whether remo ing the plating would help.

@andreiivanchykau2564

2 ай бұрын

I think polishing is bad idea as copper absorbs liquid metal

Is your console working? After what you did to her

@timdark9282

4 ай бұрын

If you watch the video, you see it all working nicely at the end

@FerRU_M

4 ай бұрын

​@@timdark9282What kind of paste did you use?

@andreiivanchykau2564

2 ай бұрын

@@timdark9282 is it STILL working?

@timdark9282

2 ай бұрын

@@andreiivanchykau2564 Absolutely

Isn’t that aluminum ??? Isn’t that bad

@timdark9282

2 жыл бұрын

No, it's plated copper so it's perfectly fine. 👌

It’s a shame that reflows aren’t permanent fixes

@timdark9282

2 жыл бұрын

Reflows are definitely not a permanent fix. Now we can read the system control (Syscon) It's still early days but already it gives a much better chance of a permanent fix 😀

@Joe-qs9fw

2 жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 PS3 are amazing especially jailbroken, mutiman emulation and even support for over clocking on the RSX.I think the PS3 is definitely going to be around for a long time with or without sonys support

@cursedfox4942

Жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 nah mine was rock solid on low temps best thing is to just have the rsx replaced as well as the necs and stop playing games

On my slim model no delid or other modification i have 57° cpu rsx 62° with 29% fun speed after 2 hours play. U use fun at 32% in this video if use syscon i think u have more than 60°.

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

Your model has a better GPU , takes less power to run the system, and is therefore more reliable. This model is the rare backwards compatible model. Because of the design flaw the GPU has, it needs to run under 68 degrees. If this was left on syscon, the console would get to 76 degrees, which would degrade the GPU and cause a system error. So, to keep the console cool and last longer, it needs the de-lid and liquid metal as well as webmans dynamic fan control. On this model, it's advisable to run the fan on 32 pecent fan speed as a minimum to ensure it stays cool, this increases the longevity of the console.

@laurentiuilina4992

Жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 I had before another console fat model and i dameged when i try to remove ihs, i dameged some trails from procesor, it a dangerous operation because is not find special tools.

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

@laurentiuilina4992 The de-lid process is not easy and takes practice to get it right. I would recommend practising on a few scrap boards before attempting this on a working one

@laurentiuilina4992

Жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 i now i am distroyed my old ps3 fat, now i have a super slim model and not have ihs plate on video chip, i change thermal paste but temperatures still high and i don t understand why?

This is a bad test with the top cover off. Lol

My slim is better without liquid metal and without delided CPU😢

@timdark9282

7 ай бұрын

That's interesting. Are your results worse after delid?

Setting the system fan on 45 Will male the system run cool

@timdark9282

Жыл бұрын

Running the console on 45 percent fan speed is a little to high, you shouldn't really go above 35 percent on a backwards compatible PS3. This is because of the power it draws to run the fan, games like TLOU may shutdown because the capacitors cant allocate the required power to the CPU and GPU. This is because of the power it's taking to run the fan.

@legoboy-ox2kx

Жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 Would an external Fan PSU solve that issue?

I destoyed my ps3 60gb by doing this :(

@timdark9282

9 күн бұрын

@99magic92 you should have watched my other video, "delidding for beginners "

@99magic92

9 күн бұрын

@@timdark9282 I watched that exact video and used the same tools. Still scrached the side of the chip causes a RLOD.

@timdark9282

9 күн бұрын

@99magic92 it's not easy. However, if you look at the comments to that video, you will see many success stories. There is always a real risk of failure, and this will kill the console. I'm sorry to hear your console didn't make it. I have discovered that you can buy cheap painter knives with plastic handles. You need the painters knife with a wooden handle. Also, the number knifes I used must correspond to the same knife you use. You must use sealant remover. What sealant remover did you use?

@99magic92

8 күн бұрын

​@@timdark9282 I paid £30 for it so I'm not bothered. I didn't even scrape it hard. The glue wouldn't budge no matter how well I heated it. I think it's best to just leave it alone and only apply thermal paste.

These are gonna be very upset the next time he opens up that PS3

@timdark9282

2 жыл бұрын

Who's going to be upset? It's my PS3 so it's only me that's going to open it!

@Joe-qs9fw

2 жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 Yeah i didn’t get what he meant ether

@l1ght608

Жыл бұрын

@@timdark9282 i think he meant you, because that liquid metal will eat through certain metals.

So it means that it is not important to make a Frankie PS3 with 40nm mod , all we need is to de-lid a BC PS3 and do a liquid metal application ?

@timdark9282

5 ай бұрын

It's important to use dynamic fan control to keep the console below 65 degrees. In theory, by doing this, you shouldn't get a flip chip or BGA issue. Every console I have sold with LM and webmabs dynamic fan control has not had any issues