Quick tip for people who struggle on this mission in the vanilla game. Just make 40 phoenix then a-move across the locks. The enemy gets stronger when they take back a lock, so just… don’t. Solar lance erases any attack wave and the archons on the top lock. Everything else just dies and/or can be flown around. (This is not the dev commentary btw, just something I figured out when making the mission that makes the vanilla version kind of a pushover)

@TheCuriousFan1

9 ай бұрын

Got to ask, are you doing the thing where the enemy gets to play with full power Vanguards but the player gets the co-op Vanguards at best?

@zaxtonhong3958

9 ай бұрын

@@NoName-mi8js Coop vanguards deal half as much damage. Unless you’re talking about P1 alarak which makes them absurd.

@TJ-vo3rv

9 ай бұрын

@@zaxtonhong3958 I think he knows. He was arguing that the increase in splash radius more than makes up the difference in damage.

@Neometalll

9 ай бұрын

@@NoName-mi8js Nah, campaign ones have 16 projectiles, coop ones have 8. While coop ones can have more splash that doesn't make them better at all.

@poilboiler

9 ай бұрын

Sounds boring. I'll do the painful slog on the ground instead. :)

Can't wait for Rak'shir. The Tal'darim are earning their keep with the Vanguards.

@kabriii

9 ай бұрын

The most mind blowing fact is that they need so much firepower to guard van

@zackwalker2172

9 ай бұрын

Maybe it's a weed van, and they are incredible stoners.

Objective of Temple of Unification is very unique: you need to take 5 locks as progressively bigger attack waves are deleting your base

Alarak doesn’t mess around. Would you believe me if I told you the enemy vanguards are nerfed? Cuz they are. Dark Templar shadow fury can only hit non-armored units. It also has less range and a smaller area. Temple of Unification Main bases are harder to break More frequent attacks if the player has no (or few) locks Enemy attack wave frequency gets slower each time they cap a lock This is very much a tempo + map control mission. The more proxy robos/gates/rax you kill, the weaker the enemy waves. You can kinda sit back and max out but it’s not very pretty. You can see how little aggression there was as long as grant held 1 or 2 locks. The last change is to reduce the “run back and forth” part of the end of the mission. (It absolutely came into play here, which is nice to see)

@davidaurus9349

9 ай бұрын

Why no wrathwalkers or destroyers?

@destrik4115

9 ай бұрын

Does the nightmare ai still affect other difficulties? It looks so fun, but a little too challenging for me if im honest. I like the idea of a more agressive intelligent ai, but some of the waves seem absolutely terrifying

@Ricardo_Rick

9 ай бұрын

@@davidaurus9349 because rhyme is Not a sadistic psycho XD

@Ricardo_Rick

9 ай бұрын

the slow attack waves are nice because contrary to the normal version now it makes sense to capture the locks where in the vanilla version it was just a bad idea to do it

@satyreyes

9 ай бұрын

It's a big deal that the enemy gets less aggro when you control one or more locks! Grant might have had less trouble if he'd known to prioritize that. Maybe an in-game message to let the player know?

”They are after our Van-Locks! Alert the Guards!” Surrender to this pear! 🍐

Kinda backwards effect - dev wants the player to get out there and capture locks and not sit in the base too long, but the player sat at the base a bit and got hit, which made him think he is always going to get hit so he doesnt get out there because he is going to get hit. I might interpreting the situation wrong, lemme know if so

I love that each time going to Ulnar the episode starts with that: "Thank you game, for being so loud";)

Now that's a mission that you can say it's actually nightmare difficulty

That final struggle was pure madness Grant indeed went full Mango

31:28 this mission is a bit chilled now, hasn't scaled as well as I thought Narrator: but that was just minites before stirring up the hornets' nest and got base-traded

Ow, yeah. I see a 40 minute video of nightmare, and I know it's going to be a treat.

Congrats Rhyme. This is the first time I've ever felt second hand stress from watching someone play a game. I've seen some insane shit over the years but this takes the cake. This mission sucks to play on brutal imo so looks absolutely miserable. well done Grant.

So, it was fascinating watching as, despite the difficulty, Grant was able to slowly but steadily max out and gain map advantage at a slow but steady rate.

Nexus overcharge received a huge indirect buff. The enemy sends attack waves at your workers.

5:34 i'm all for Grant looking if possible and viable it is to clear out the bases is on each mission. I'd guess most of the time answer would be no but maybe it'd give Grant some ideas on how to deal with problems (like maybe find a spot to intercept all the workers trying to proxy)

Watching the early part of this mission felt like how starcraft should feel. Normally the player feels very plot armored, like 'oh yeah your enemies are this enormous powerful protoss army, but they'll attack you twice with six zealots' - this mission really *felt* like what all the campaigns *tell* you - that you're the plucky underdog trying to take on impossible odds.

The vanguards were not proxied. They were rallied from main base because Alarak forgot to reset rally point after building observer. Like, you know, the classic case of "scouting vanguard"

That was SO COOL! Really felt like you're facing against Amon, and how he has all 3 factions at his beck and call. That was terrifying to watch, as someone who plays casually.

@icicle_ai

9 ай бұрын

No zerg though

Mango yolo? Grant slowly losing his sanity. Very entertaining video! Disregarding the misery, it's incredibly fun to watch you play and analyze the missions, what went wrong and trying to fiddle closer to a solution.

What a good final base trade to get the win by the slimmest of margins, especially after the first gambit barely failed

Seeing Grant beat this mission by doing the objective in any modded run always feels like an accomplishment for me, when i tried to beat this on brutal the enemy was so annoying with recapturing the locks it was honestly easier for me to just clear the entire map and ignore the locks.

the feeling when he said "it didnt scale well" to have to reload for the last 15 minutes cause the game caught up fast xD

After shedding much blood and tears, I was able to make it to all-in on WOL Nightmare before giving up. I don't think I would even be able to make it to Salvation on this difficulty.

Grant: Maxing out is NOT how this mission goes normally! Also Grant: Plays NIGHTMARE instead of Normal.

Bruh haha 😂 Rhyme really has no mercy for this one and i love it. But yeah, best tactic on this mission, even on brutal is just max out on pheonixes and a-move.

Imagine playing a defense mission where you have to defend against vanguards. That would be crazy wouldn't it be.

I have been looking forward to this mission. I can't wait to watch this episode right now.

it just occured to me that you could halt that proxy 4 gate from replacing its pylon by building your own pylon there lol this isnt backseating, its just a funny thing to think about doing. "you cant have your gateway proxies, bc *I* powered them!"

All I could think of the whole mission was "warp in reinforcements would have been so useful"

@riolufistofmight

9 ай бұрын

Also warp harmonization. As useful as a nexus attack is, I think being able to reinforce phoenixes directly would have been incredibly helpful here.

I wonder how many thousands of supply Grant destroyed on this mission.

Grants hatred of monoliths crippled him this mission. They were absolutely slaughtering the back door air attacks in conjunction with the nexus overcharge

30:50 yes... swooping is bad

"this is an attack mission" - Aaand now we know why offense is the best defense...

Glad you're enjoying playing this. I would just ragequit lol

feel like the hardest mission are when the vanguards will work with the hybrids so the last mission was still not the hardest i would think

This is very consistent with the original mission.. If you focus on static defence and let the mission drag on, the attacks become insane, and very very frequent.. If you dont finish this one quickly its all hell breaks loose.. I dunno if its spawning armies AND producing or just producing but they attack like every 1.5m in the original one after a while, with huge armies tanks colossi and everything..

This is your StarCraft 2 AI. And this is your StarCraft 2 AI on crack.

Thanks for the mayhem! x)

That battle was total CLUTCH! spectacular finish btw, that was awesome.

well done man. that was wild.

I wonder your vanguard will be the same as theirs once you unlock it.

@Illianor123

9 ай бұрын

Rhyme says these vanguard are nerfed compared to the standard campaign version

Oh gods, that was absolutely insane. I wonder what happens if you clear a lock of enemies but don't capture it? Do they send forces to hold it or do they consider it's still safe and ignore it?

This is the first mission that really looks like a serious nightmare!

16:01 where this Vanguard even come from?😂 24:35 WHAT IS THIS ARMY?!!😂 So it seems like AMON's feel when we play LOTV, attacking AMON's base with death ball

A true mission of all time

I'm getting flashbacks

I wonder what the devs were smoking when they designed the Vanguard. :D

The more I see the more I am afraid to play this mod myself. I am not sure if I could beat this even on hard :D

i think dts to hunt down the proxys and defending phoenix/voidrays at home will be a mainstay of the rest of the campaign xD

This would still be hard with the base game Topbar and full power Solar Lance. Are the Vanguards going to be nerfed when you get them, and not the OP Gods they are here?

I'm very curious if my usual strategy of clearing the protoss base will work. Maybe with the Nightmare mod but on Hard difficultly.

Man I feel like this one might need some slight tuning back, even just by like 1 or 2 less Vanguards from the Protoss army

I was wondering why you don't patrol your dts Grant? Might cover more area and they always return to their patrol path if they get pulled away

Did Rhyme get Zest to play test this mission or is there some sort of cheese?

18:35 It's not like nightmare AI has to care about resources after all.

Is it more difficult then modded trains?

@GiantGrantGamesArchives i'm sorry to bother with offtop, but why 4k videos while starcraft 2 max 1080p?o_O

Damn, you got spanked! I think your unit comp was the issue here, should have went phoenix/DTs and picked off their detectors to erase their ground comps.

wraths are terran scouts

I N T E N S E

Did you graduate Conway Highschool in 2014? I think I went to school with you

Oh yeah, I can't wait for Grant to get Vanguards. If they're this powerful in the enemy's control, how powerful will thay be in Grant's. Slayn is going to be a nightmare though, and not because it's Nightmare difficulty.

@Illianor123

9 ай бұрын

Apparently these Vanguards are nerfed from the base campaign version

I think you gotta go pure Phoenix... cuz enemy's anti ground power is so much and of course some DT cuz Tal'darim is bad at sending Orcale (like, went right into your army and dies)

Is it fair to say that Vanguard are just Reavers but on a decently mobile and tanky Immortal frame instead of a literally crawling glass cannon?

try to build nexus as defensive structure on brutal its great defense

Oof

Last time I complained about Grant not making enough Zealots. Now ON THE PHOENIX MISSION he started by making 20 Zealots... I guess I got what I wanted huh?

locks have fallen millions mus retake it

Going mango? I thought I was watching SC2, not AoE2?

Fenix will has new abilities?

i am, by the 11 minute mark thinking of Vanguards being amazing... to kill the void rays (ik they are armored, but still)

damn the taldarem are toxic AF

you could just wipe out the bases in the corners and boom no more lock chasing. They are a joke to kill. (Maybe not on nightmare)

@Illianor123

9 ай бұрын

Definitely not on Nightmare

I feel like mass monolits and some shild batery can be nice aginst it. For mein base. Alos is be nice if as joke energyser boost buildings it is pretty nice co op thing but nerf to 50% of boost and meyby not be op and be good for more build defense around map to prevent enemy build, terran have bunkers and loot of units, zerg have creep ( who sucks when z vs z xd ) and protos have canons, who almost instand die here... and they never have big army to split

God I loathe this mission.

I've played both WOL and HOTS nightmare but this and temple is not nightmare, it's simply too much stress. didn't enjoy it really much.

That mission is not hardesr of camp It is hardest of camp and co op Evry damm time i see mutador in that im out.

Stuff just sniping your mineral line is a pretty lame mechanic

@zaxtonhong3958

9 ай бұрын

If only we had a “free” passive ability that makes it so enemies near your mineral line don’t attack your probes

I don’t know why you do this to yourself. It’s so painful to watch nightmare difficulty, I just sort of skip through it. If I were actually playing, I’d probably give up after they melted through my base defense before I could get around to pushing out into the map.