Lmao, its so funny when Forrest rants and then realizes half way through that the caller dropped. 😂

@heinshaaine8153

Ай бұрын

I didn't. I was really confused

@AtheistsSaltyTears

29 күн бұрын

Speaking of Forrester it's a shame that's so many foods today are causing men to have gold testosterone levels and or high estrogen levels. When Forester is the tough guy in the room you know there's something wrong.

@romantech5319

26 күн бұрын

I don’t think anyone has claimed that Forrest Valkai is a “tough guy” he’s a really cool science teacher and a really good person. It really doesn’t matter if he’s the “tough guy”

@ktrudy1

8 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

[record scratch] Narrator: He in fact did not have evidence for the supernatural.

@AtheistsSaltyTears

29 күн бұрын

There's things that have been considered supernatural that have been explained. For example atheists would always call the idea of consciousness existing without a brain is supernatural until it was proven that consciousness can exist without a brain. They then said consciousness existing without a brain or a nervous system is supernatural until it was proven that consciousness can exist without a brain and nervous system. What makes me angry with atheists is when they claim beliefs in the supernatural like the idea of the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God. And refuse to acknowledge that this is a belief in the supernatural. As if the idea that life pops into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence is part of the natural process. They may believe it's part of the natural process but there's no scientific evidence that proves it is it's a belief in the supernatural. The natural process as we know it is life comes from life, Life comes from an intelligent source. PSdon't get me wrong the vast majority of atheists at least the ones that I've talked to don't actually believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God. Which is strange you would think they would probably be motivated to even pretend they believe that because they don't have the willingness or ability to accept God. Of course it makes it horrible to debate the vast majority of atheists because they don't have the willingness to accept the origins of Life came into existence because of creation even if it was proven by the scientific method but at the same time they don't believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation ... Anyway do you believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God if so please provide evidence to why you believe that. If not please just let me know that you don't believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God. Just use those words so there's no confusion

@SecondaryHomunculus

29 күн бұрын

@@AtheistsSaltyTears That's a lot of words to explain how you don't pay attention. 😂

@SundaeExpress

29 күн бұрын

@@AtheistsSaltyTears Sources?

@jimr9921

28 күн бұрын

@@AtheistsSaltyTears It's pretty simple. There is, and has never been any reasonable reason to believe in a magic guy in the sky. Your word salad certainly proves that point. I like to know what is really true, not just make things up.

@fernlovebond

28 күн бұрын

@@AtheistsSaltyTears [citation needed]

I can't believe that in 2024, people still believe in magic. It's so goddamn stupid.

@Bozo_Weirdo

Ай бұрын

Like the magical place that is no place, in a time outside of time, where the entirety of matter and existence exists in non-existence? Yeah, the caller hung up because he effectively proved the supernatural.

@simplylethul

Ай бұрын

​@@Bozo_Weirdoneither you or this guy has proved literally anything about the supernatural existing.

@mirandahotspring4019

Ай бұрын

In the USA, the country with the most Nobel Prize winners, 40% of people believe Adam and Eve were real people!

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

Pick a god, any god. Don't show Him to me, don't tell me what He is. Now put Him back in the pack...

@Domzdream

Ай бұрын

@@simplylethul Saying something exists….isn’t proof. It’s an opinion. It’s not even close to evidence.

Let me guess: he didn't have evidence for The supernatural

@jayrose8638

Ай бұрын

For christs sake how about a spoiler warning first lol

@michaelguzman7363

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂 Good one!

@Bozo_Weirdo

Ай бұрын

He effectively showed that atheism also believes in the supernatural.

@adamstrange7884

Ай бұрын

How?

@heinshaaine8153

Ай бұрын

@@Bozo_Weirdo care to elaborate

Fucking love you guys. Absolutely cracked me up at the end. A random guy floating around on his magical space throne 😂😂

forrest saying "maybe its just a guy!" fckng broke me😂🤣😂🤣

He ran away, CHECKMATE ATHIESTS!!!

This is going to be stupid, isn't it? Yes... yes it was.

@Finckelstein

Ай бұрын

Luckily the caller didn't get to say much. And a Forrest rant is never stupid.

Dude realized he was stepping into a ring he was woefully unprepared to enter and dropped. Best way it could have gone for him to preserve his ego. But it's a shame he didn't hang around to learn.

@ronthered138

29 күн бұрын

That was shame. The beginning of knowledge. He might be examining his beliefs for the first time as I am typing.

@AtheistsSaltyTears

29 күн бұрын

I guess you didn't realize that atheists will just deny facts like believing the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God is a belief in the supernatural. I find it cringe-worthy to say the least when atheism and science are in the same sentence at least without the word pseudo or anti in front of the word science. If I had to describe a position the opposite of the scientific approach it would be atheism. If I had to think of a word the opposite of the scientific approach it would be a disbelief.. I am not able or willing to accept as true the origins of Life as a result of creation is not the scientific approach it is however the atheistic approach.

@ronthered138

29 күн бұрын

@@AtheistsSaltyTears You are incoherent. Your argument is the, "I know you are but what am I?" argument. Prove that your God exists, then prove that she created everything. Here is the catch; no circular arguments.

@Para__Noia

29 күн бұрын

​@AtheistsSaltyTears "believing the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God is a belief in the supernatural." How is that a logical conclusion? Once again, not seeing God as the origin does not mean automatically that it had to be something else supernatural. It's always the same "logic" that gets brought up. Most atheists don't find that simple answers to their own questions si they can be happy about it faster.

@user-fg5xs9lh7s

2 күн бұрын

​@@AtheistsSaltyTears Except that, we're already well on the way to fully describing abiogenesis. It's only a matter of time. Even this year a new study described how RNA can self assemble through natural processes, and last year there was a similar one for protein. Think of it as, we have step 1 2 3 7 9 and 10. Where exactly would god come into play here? Are step 1 2 and 3 natural, but at step 4, god just steps in for one chemical reaction and it continues being natural again? Amino acid self assembly is proven to be natural, nucleotide self assembly is proven to be natural, protein self assembly is proven to be natural, RNA self assembly is proven to be natural. At what stage in this natural process does god step in and add magic? What about in a couple decades when all the steps become known? What stage in the process will god get inserted into then? Where exactly is the supernatural step? Respectfully, I hope you understand that what you're claiming has nothing backing it up and everything against it. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest the origins of life have a supernatural cause.

I love when people say "your definition " like there's any other definitions for " supernatural " 😂😂

@heinshaaine8153

Ай бұрын

When you dont have something real you have to define it into existence

@manhattanmike6959

Ай бұрын

@@heinshaaine8153 exactly 💯 👏

@richardsuplee8137

Ай бұрын

To be fair theres always different definitions. That's why forrest asks what so you mean by sueprnatural

@csjrogerson2377

Ай бұрын

@@richardsuplee8137 Some definitions may be objectively wrong. Some definitions may be subjective coz what they're trying to define is so nebulous and vague, there is no agreed definition.

@AtheistsSaltyTears

29 күн бұрын

I love when atheists say they don't believe in the supernatural and then in the same breath will say they believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God LOL. As if the idea life popping into existence without life without an intelligent source is part of the natural process.

Events that were "supernatural" previously: Lighting, Earthquakes, Tides ... Black Holes, Quantum Particles. . Science found an explanation to all of these and more and in NO CASE the answer was "an invisible sky god did it." LOLZ

@Finckelstein

Ай бұрын

Places where gods lived: Forests before we deforested them. The sea before we built sinking metal tubes. Mountains before we climbed them. Up in the clouds before we had flying metal tubes. Luckily they nowadays live outside of time and space where we cannot visit. Finally those poor beings are save!

@AtheistsSaltyTears

29 күн бұрын

Supernatural, the idea that the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God. Tell me is the idea of consciousness existing without a brain considered supernatural because it's proven to exist without a brain. After that was proven the claim was consciousness can't exist without a brain or a nervous system and then it was proven that consciousness can exist without a brain and a nervous system. A lot of people believe in the supernatural look at Richard dawkins and all the atheists that called him a genius. Because he said once was nothingness no air no space nothingness. And everything came into existence from nothingness. So he believed volcanoes tides lightning are all the final result of nothingness.

@jayrose8638

29 күн бұрын

@@AtheistsSaltyTearshas FAILED to provide any convincing reason to believe in the existence of any god, gods, other divine or supernatural beings or that a consciousness can exist without a brain. Better luck with your next account

@AtheistsSaltyTears

29 күн бұрын

@@jayrose8638 you're confused you have failed to prove the supernatural aka the origins of life popped into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence rather than the origins of Life coming into existence because of the natural process as we know it. Life comes from life, life comes from an intelligent source. Also you're an atheist and atheists have a disbelief in God which means even if God was proven by the scientific method you still wouldn't be able or willing to accept it.

@tonyclements1147

29 күн бұрын

@@AtheistsSaltyTears 10th or 11th alt Joey?

Some Grad Student-Thing in a Lab said "OK, Try it now." and there was light.

'Either God did it or soup did it' . Really, Neverending Fraud? Cream of Mushroom? Minestrone? Clam chowder? Chicken noodle?

@richardyoung4400

29 күн бұрын

93% of the world population have enough faith in atheism....

@amtlpaul

29 күн бұрын

@@richardyoung4400??????

@holgerlubotzki3469

29 күн бұрын

richardyoung never passes up an opportunity to put his inanity on full public display.

@Beacon80

29 күн бұрын

The funny thing is that in order to insist these are the only two ways it could happen, he implicitly acknowledges that "soup" could have done it.

@nealjroberts4050

29 күн бұрын

It's his most hilarious strawman and thus the most long lasting

forrest succinctly presented the hilarious absurdity of the theistic position, the alternative to the natural causes of the universe: "it was some guy" !

@Finckelstein

Ай бұрын

No, it wasn't just some guy! It was MY guy. Because MY guy loves me so much, I was born from the right womb in the correct region of the world so my correct parents could educate me in the correct interpretation of the correct religion. Everyone else who doesn't believe in my version of MY guy is a lost cause. Guess they should've prayed some more to MY guy before they were conceived.

@theflyingdutchguy9870

Ай бұрын

that absolutely broke me 😂😂

@AtheistsSaltyTears

29 күн бұрын

I love the way the atheist claims the idea of the origins of Life coming into existence without creation without God is somehow the natural process. Sorry but if you believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God you believe in the supernatural. The natural process as we know it is life comes from life, Life comes from an intelligence source there's no evidence that it just pops into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence.

@theflyingdutchguy9870

29 күн бұрын

@@AtheistsSaltyTears all life we know about is literally made out of elements found everywhere. elements that are drawn to interact with one another just by the force of physics. and we know about multiple possible ways that life could have started, we just dont know how it actually happened.

@AtheistsSaltyTears

29 күн бұрын

@@theflyingdutchguy9870 ditto.

🎵 "If you believe in magic, come along with me We'll dance until morning 'til there's just you and me And maybe, if the music is right I'll meet you tomorrow, sort of late at night And we'll go dancing, baby, then you'll see How the magic's in the music and the music's in me"

I have no idea what supernatural means. Nobody can define what it IS. They can only define what its NOT.

@bobs182

Ай бұрын

Imaginary entities are nebulous.

@jimr9921

Ай бұрын

By definition, it means nonexistant. Beyond reality if you will.

@lunarwuffy5299

Ай бұрын

Strange, there's a definition when I google it and it seems to define it without saying what it isn't. Of or relating to existence outside the natural world. Attributed to a power that seems to violate or go beyond natural forces. Of or relating to a deity.

@nickandres7829

Ай бұрын

@@lunarwuffy5299 The first two examples are in fact defining it by what it is not, since there isn't anything anyone can point to and say "this is supernatural".

@NoHateLikeChristianLove

Ай бұрын

@@lunarwuffy5299Can you point to something that exists that’s “supernatural”?

In ALL history the supernatural and an imaginary God have NEVER been the RIGHT answer to ANYTHING! ALL the phenomena that people didn't understand at the time are now well understood and it are ALL NATURAL PHENOMENA!

@joshsheridan9511

29 күн бұрын

​@Hln20015that is neither definition of supernatural

@rudysimoens570

29 күн бұрын

@Hln20015 how do you know and how do you know that the supernatural actually exists? It is a totally abstract concept made-up by men but the existence of the supernatural and gods has never been proven to exist in reality! There have been thousands of god concepts and religions people believed in or still believe! ALL religions are man-made too and often with rules and doctrines in favour of men! Women and minority groups have been discriminated and considered second class people for centuries and still are on the basis of those bronze age myths, doctrines and rules how to behave to "please" their imaginary God! There is not a shred of evidence for the existence of the supernatural and ANY god or Allah or whatever name they gave to their non-existing celestial dictator! So, it's about time to grow up and to leave all that supernatural nonsense of ANY religion and all those bronze age myths behind and to deal with REALITY!

@drsatan9617

29 күн бұрын

​@Hln20015 you either need: Therapy Or... An education Or... Less illicit drugs

@SundaeExpress

29 күн бұрын

@Hln20015 Prove it

That Forrest monolog was beautiful

WHY DID HE DROP??? FORREST IS ANSWERING HIS QUESTION PERFECTLY

@nealjroberts4050

29 күн бұрын

I think you answered yourself there 😉

@codyhelms2556

28 күн бұрын

Because Forrest is answering his question.

"I have never seen an atheist who did not believe in the supernatural. They all believe in Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity." Can I nominate that for the Dumbest Comment of the Week award? 🤦‍♂

@quecee

29 күн бұрын

Tryme said God's "big idea" was some pastor from Bahama who died in an airplane crash. Apparently god must have changed his mind about his "big idea" by crashing plane and taking eight other people just to bench his "big idea". He works in mysterious ways. 😂

@RickLambert963

29 күн бұрын

Noisy Bot that can't understand what an example is. Tell us about objective reality and subjective reality and how in those realities 2 oranges times 2 pears equals 4 apples. How you can multiply density times mph equals joules. How Einstein’s energy-mass equivalency equation renders energy and mass equal disregarding that equation E=m. How there's a magic secret unit of measure that ties the equation together. How a constant in an equation is because the speed of light is constantly the speed of light in a vacuum. Do bots dream of electric sheep? Priceless fok'n hilarious.😂🤣😂🤣 AI just isn't that intelligent 🤦‍♂️🤦🙄 In the example: Energy is 15. Mass is 3. Light speed squared is 5. 15=3×5 3=15÷5 5=15÷3 What value for energy? What value for mass? What value for the speed of light squared? Solve for each expressed in an equation with values. Your answers should reflect the example. If you can't. Can you tell me why you can't? There's a reason these waste of time and space can't answer the questions. I've said it over and over. Who's your engineering daddy now? I'm still waiting on that unit of measure that ties Einstein’s energy-mass equivalency equation together that the stupid bots that can't perform third grade levels of math claim. What is the unit of measure that ties the equation E = mc^2 together are you talking about called? What value for energy? What value for mass? What value for the speed of light squared? Solve for each expressed in an equation with values. At what number in the Fibonacci sequence does Nine Code synchronize? In vortex math, what do all whole numbers reduce to? In the example: Energy is 15. Mass is 3. Light speed squared is 5. Light speed squared will always be 5 as a constant. Mass could be 2 instead. What would energy equal to then? The speed of light traveling through a vacuum may be expressed as: 186,282 miles per second. or 300,000 kilometers per second. or 983,571,056 feet per second. or 299,792,458 meters per second. A total of 10 answers at third and sixth-grade levels of math. Answer them correctly or shut up.Noisy Bot that can't understand what an example is. Tell us about objective reality and subjective reality and how in those realities 2 oranges times 2 pears equals 4 apples. How you can multiply density times mph equals joules. How Einstein’s energy-mass equivalency equation renders energy and mass equal disregarding that equation E=m. How there's a magic secret unit of measure that ties the equation together. How a constant in an equation is because the speed of light is constantly the speed of light in a vacuum. Do bots dream of electric sheep? Priceless fok'n hilarious.😂🤣😂🤣 AI just isn't that intelligent 🤦‍♂️🤦🙄 In the example: Energy is 15. Mass is 3. Light speed squared is 5. 15=3×5 3=15÷5 5=15÷3 What value for energy? What value for mass? What value for the speed of light squared? Solve for each expressed in an equation with values. Your answers should reflect the example. If you can't. Can you tell me why you can't? There's a reason these waste of time and space can't answer the questions. I've said it over and over. Who's your engineering daddy now? I'm still waiting on that unit of measure that ties Einstein’s energy-mass equivalency equation together that the stupid bots that can't perform third grade levels of math claim. What is the unit of measure that ties the equation E = mc^2 together are you talking about called? What value for energy? What value for mass? What value for the speed of light squared? Solve for each expressed in an equation with values. At what number in the Fibonacci sequence does Nine Code synchronize? In vortex math, what do all whole numbers reduce to? In the example: Energy is 15. Mass is 3. Light speed squared is 5. Light speed squared will always be 5 as a constant. Mass could be 2 instead. What would energy equal to then? The speed of light traveling through a vacuum may be expressed as: 186,282 miles per second. or 300,000 kilometers per second. or 983,571,056 feet per second. or 299,792,458 meters per second. A total of 10 answers at third and sixth-grade levels of math. Answer them correctly or shut up.

@SundaeExpress

29 күн бұрын

@@RickLambert963 Wave bye bye to your comment, Dicky-boy 😉👋

The rules of this universe probably only work inside this universe. What is "outside", in time and of space, might have different rules, but we don't... -can't, know. And we have NEVER seen reliable evidence that those "outside" rules have substituted our inside rules. Ever!

@bobs182

Ай бұрын

Yes, the idea that time and space were created with the BB would be like a black hole event. There could be many other BBs that are as far away as 100 billion times the distance across our known universe from us. There seems to be many scales of existence each many billions of times larger than the next like BB universe, galaxies, planetary systems, planets/suns, plants/animals, cells, atoms/molecules, subatomic particles, and perhaps strings.

the last two and a half minutes ARE HILARIOUS!

Forrest is so funny when he rants.

Was REALLY hoping to hear his response :(

I can’t with these two. 😂😂😂. Love y’all 😊😊😊

Roger Penrose - There was a big bang but it wasn't the beginning of everything. I tend to go with Roger rather than some random yank that believes in super natural. Roger is a nobel prize winner which tends to swing it for me sorry.

The comedy stylings of Forest Valkai. Give him a big hand. I think I know 'that guy' that Forest was talking about.

@joshsheridan9511

29 күн бұрын

Forrest *

An excellent summary of religion by Forrest there. 🤣🤣

Forest, did CHL proud!!!

Theist caller: I have evidence of supernatural. Host: what do you have? Theist caller talks about everything else except evidence. Tries to get host caught up in semantics to go 'aha!'. Tries to find any wiggle room for any bad argument. Eventually fails. Why do they keep on doing this? They know they have no proof. That their belief is solely based on others convincing them and then they themselves convincing themselves. Yeah but, when I call, I will show them the reality of my faith. I will prove it to them. But they never do because no one can prove their imaginary friend exists.

if something exists, it is, by definition, "natural" - anything that someone calls "supernatural" would just be something natural that we havent discovered or explained.

People even pretend to talk to “this guy”. Pure insanity!

💜

never once in the history of humanity has the supernatural actually been supernatural. every single time we discovered what it actually was, it turned out to be natural. the supernatural tends to be a description of something we have yet to understand. to me its nothing more than that. i barely use it when talking about real life. usually only in fictional media

@user-zu2zo8ji4n

29 күн бұрын

Never once has the supernatural actually been supernatural, you asserted! Your single -celled evolving predecessors appeared because evolutionistic persuasion needed them. So they must have willed themselves into existence. Or eternality is the other option. Which option IS NOT SUPERNATURAL?

@mesplin3

29 күн бұрын

I use the term supernatural in that way. The orbit of Mercury was supernatural until Einstein discovered the theory of relativity. Newtonian mechanics was insufficient to predict the planet's orbit. It was commonly thought that there was some large mass that affected the orbit of Mercury since it moved in an unexpected way. Einstein posited that gravity behaves differently near very massive objects like the sun. His model was tested and there's insufficient evidence to reject his model as of yet.

@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana

29 күн бұрын

@@user-zu2zo8ji4n You described believing in souls with the ability to change DNA 🧬, not what Atheists believe. And it will still make more sense than your position.

@nealjroberts4050

29 күн бұрын

​@@user-zu2zo8ji4nKeep it up kid! 💪

@Mkeusquealbby

29 күн бұрын

​@@user-zu2zo8ji4ndoes there have to be will behind single-celled organisms existing?

I feel like this was cut short. Did the guy respond or ?

@joshsheridan9511

29 күн бұрын

The caller hung up, as Forrest was answering

I don't know about you guys but Ohio definitely convinced me...

While I agree with Forrest I can see why people want to think there is something beyond this life. I lost my Dad last month and so want to think he is still out there somewhere even knowing there is no reason to think that is true. Reminds me of the movie Field of Dreams when he has a game of catch with his dad and askes "Is there enough magic in this world"? Religion can comfort people in there last days so I respect that. Making law based on religion I don't. Is there enough magic in this world to dream about playing catch with my Dad again? Yes.

3:24 This is the argument that wins every time, but theists keep on lining up to take it on as if nobody has ever thought it through before. Sheesh! 🙄

Not "some guy." A big guy who works out.

The big bang could have a natural cause, or it could have been uncaused. We have multiple hypotheses that suggest either of these possibilities. Or this could just be a simulation of a material world that was created en media res, meaning it could have started last tuesday.

Tales of the Supernatural

"Supernatural" refers to imagination. If the things referred to as "supernatural" actually interacted in nature, they would be called "natural".

A cause that can cause its self. Thats what your looking for it probably exists in the quantum realm.

Any thoughts on Alister Crowley? If he was not in contact with "Aiwass" was an excuse for Sodomy rituals? Possible but I believe there is a possibility of communiation through Ritual . The O.T.O Knights Templar have been active for over 100 years conducting rituals

How is evidence (by definition taken from our natural reality) for the supernatural even possible?

Comment for the algorithm.

😁 A guy floating around. A guy... 👍🏻😉

I don't know if there is a real God or not. I am sure that there is zero chance that immoral magic nonsense in the bible is real.

It was just some guy

If you want to talk about things beyond observable reality affecting observable reality, we've demonstrated the existence of gravitational fields, magnetic fields, and quantum fields. And those do get weird when it comes to time and causation. We don't classify any of those things as supernatural, but that's mostly because their existence has been scientific demonstrated, i.e. we know they exist. To say that there has to be a supernatural cause is basically just saying there has to be a cause that we don't know exists. So it sounds contradictory to say we know something exists which we don't know exists, but also, so what if there is such a cause? You'd have made basically no progress in arguing for any given deity. Theists are basically just trying to smuggle in their particular god through this vague "supernatural" category.

Is " Big Foot " supernatural? I didnt think that was meant to be supernatural.

@joshsheridan9511

29 күн бұрын

Originally it wasn't but modern bigfoot enthusiasts make supernatural claims about it, like it can supposedly make itself invisible.

@arnelilleseter4755

29 күн бұрын

I don't believe in Bigfoot. But I agree, that doesn't fall under the category of supernatural. The laws of physics and evolution do not exclude the possibility of such a creature.

@Mkeusquealbby

29 күн бұрын

I don't think so. It'd be considered a cyptid, but I don't think there's anything necessarily supernatural about it

So instead of giving the evidence for supernatural, whatever the hell that means, he just called to ask a question??? What a disappointment.

What created God? Humans did. Everybody can rest now.

@OswaldBatesIIIEsq

Ай бұрын

When I asked that question, I would get the typical "Nothing created 'god'. 'He' was always here."

@quecee

Ай бұрын

@@OswaldBatesIIIEsq And that's not a special pleading fallacy because... god is special?🤷‍♂

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

29 күн бұрын

@@OswaldBatesIIIEsq Always been here, but never spotted once. God is the hide 'n' seek champion of champions! 🙈

@Mkeusquealbby

29 күн бұрын

​@@OswaldBatesIIIEsqand what did god do before he created the universe and what made him decide to do that?

If God is the Creator of the principles of Nature, we might well allow that God is supernatural. But if he then needs to go beyond these principles, he didn't do much of a job in the first place. This isn't a new idea. Baruch Spinoza declared it in the 17th century, and he was a devout, intelligent believer.

I grew up in Ohio. If his name is Caleb, he is either Amish or raised by evangelicals.

They need to stop saying "if".

The beginning had an unsubstantiated assertion that was created within the imagination because a presumption of nothing required a something to create something out of nothing so that something could therefore worship and pray to the assertion and cosplay vampirism and cannibalism while pleading to a zombie nailed to 2 sticks to help their favorite sports team win a title, amen 🙏🏽. 🙄 You want proof look a watch and the trees obviously both show the handiwork of an inventor and craftsman, if you can’t see that your creator who loves you dearly will burn and torture you forever, amen 🙏🏽

"I am not talking about a god" => Caller just wants to do the uncaused cause bull sh 1t. "I am not talking about the Xtian god" => Caller doesn't wish to be tied to the bull sh 1t in the bible. . LOLZ

Im not even disagreeing with Forrest at all but tbh Id walk away too if I was in the same room as one of his "I am not going to come up for air for 5 minutes" rants. Crimey, dude, pass the ball for once in your life.

@skepticofdoom7486

28 күн бұрын

I dunno about you but if someone who is way smarter than me starts going i just tend to shut up and learn things. People like Forrest make great teachers to people who are capable of not being the center of attention. I like when people destroy my ideas. means i have to come up with new ones. People who don't take shitty ideas and won't stand for rudeness/silliness are a good thing. One way to test said ideas is to bring it to someone like Forrest and let them go at it for a while. Then stand in the corner and shut up. :)

@patjacksonpodium

28 күн бұрын

@@skepticofdoom7486 I understand that but these people (assuming they are calling in good faith) are calling in for a conversation, not a lecture. Maybe it's because Forrest is a teacher and is used to having a captive audience but it's a really bad habit to talk AT someone instead of TO them. You're not gonna change many hearts and minds if it seems you don't really care about what the other person has to say, and the quickest way to do that is to take up all the oxygen in the room. I'm sure he does care btw, but for someone who has been doing this for so long I am surprised he hasn't course corrected because it's a pretty basic tenant of productive conversation. ...of course all of this kind of falls apart when you factor in that many callers are just kind of spewing bullsh1t but...for those that aren't it's a valid criticism imho.

Christians making the case for deism is soooo boring. Either stand for what you believe in or don't. I certainly won't respect the latter.

@neverendingparty4832

29 күн бұрын

You couldn't be more lost. This is all really simple. Either GOD DID IT or SOUP DID IT. In my 50+ yrs of passionate study, I have BY FAR a better grasp of the full spectrum of true reality than anybody within 1,000 miles of this dung channel. Thus, I can plainly state that a Godless world has ZERO POSSIBILITY. The world view of a fool (atheism) should have factual premise after factual premise that would lead to a LOGICAL step-by-step process of custody in which a rational conclusion will be that "natural causes" or "natural processes" is the CLEAR ORIGIN of LIFE, INTELLIGENCE, LOVE, CONSCIOUSNESS & MORALITY (along with everything else). But the atheist has nothing but magic such as "IT SPONTANEOUSLY EMERGED FROM NOTHING!' or "IT EVOLVED FROM NOTHING!" Which can't happen, doesn't explain anything and is nothing but a total failure for stupidity (atheism). So these people make the less-than-nothing claim of atheism without even a rational basis. They can't even begin to prove a Godless world. They are bankrupt. So they start from abject nothingness to come to these threads and desperately lie, as they try to hide their total obliviousness. They couldn't be more lost.

@fernlovebond

28 күн бұрын

@@neverendingparty4832 You didn't get enough people telling you how ignorant and stupid your preaching was the first time you posted this? What do you think you're getting out of your proselytizing? It certainly isn't converts, especially when you tell scientifically literate people your false dichotomy involving, of all things, "soup". If you're so intelligent and have it all so well figured out, where's your research? What have you published showing how cosmology, geology, astronomy, physics, biology, and basically every single field of scientific inquiry, are all completely wrong, despite the multitude of working models with reliable predictive power? What journals are you in? When do you get your Nobel Prizes? You are a sad representation of how ignorance is generally more confident than knowledge.

Can those who reject a self-created universe from nothing justify their view? Of course! We have no objective experience with - or evidence for - things just creating themselves from nothing. That's rational. But if that's the bar to clear then what else do we lack objective experience with and evidence for? Gods! Does not that which is salutary to the goose also benefit the gander?

@user-wt5bf4rw7e

Ай бұрын

What created the magic pie in the sky guy the imbeciles call god?

@nealjroberts4050

29 күн бұрын

Who claims the universe was even formed _from nothing_ in the first place?

i think what happened before the big bang is a question many people do take seriously

@user-wt5bf4rw7e

Ай бұрын

Who created the magic pie guy in the sky?

@bobs182

Ай бұрын

Most top theoretical physicists don't think the BB was the absolute beginning of everything. Many have ideas about what it was and some just say they don't know.

@Wildxgiyu

29 күн бұрын

​@@user-wt5bf4rw7eGod didn’t have a creator. God is the uncreated If you ask me “why did God not need a creator?” my response will be “the question makes no sense because of the following reason…” It would be like saying “What created nothing?” Or “what is south of the South Pole?” These question are grammatically correct but don’t actually say anything in reality.

God this is a cringefest every time

The word "supernatural" exactly means it does not exist. That is the definition of the word. As soon as you prove it exists, it is part of the natural.

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

"supernatural adjective (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature. noun manifestations or events considered to be of supernatural origin, such as ghosts." ~ Oxford Languages

@jimr9921

Ай бұрын

@@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr Exactly my point. Doesn't exist by definition. Thank you for that.

Hi TAE. Why is ‘before the big bang’ such a difficult concept? Obviously, people just want to explore the idea of what happened outside our spacetime continuum, under the assumption that it had a beginning, or if you prefer, spacetime has a finite past. [Next, you could ask what the ‘boundary conditions’ are/were that caused the big bang, under the assumption that it happened. Saying that God did it, is effectively a set of assertions about the nature of those boundary conditions. Saying that God is REQUIRED to produce the/a big bang, is effectively a much stronger set of assertions. Neither set of assertions, or any other ‘pre spacetime ideas’, appears to be fully addressable (within science) at this time; although, string theorists seem to have a lot of things to say about this topic.]

@Beacon80

29 күн бұрын

If the big bang was the instantiation of space-time, then asking what came before it is like asking what's south of the south pole.

@SystemsMedicine

29 күн бұрын

@@Beacon80 Hi Beacon. How explicitly would you like the definitions: parameterize a 4 dimensional manifold with metric signature {+,+,+,-} embedded in, for example, a 5 dimensional manifold with metric signature {+,+,+,-,-}. Pick any 4 dimensional Friedman cosmology you like, with the 4 dimensional metric signature, provided it is finite in the past, which could be arbitrarily designated time=0. Now, whenever you wish to talk about ‘before the beginning’ of the universe, refer to regions of the 5 dimensional manifold for which time is not positive, and the 5th dimension of the larger manifold is any value you wish. [The procedure of embedding manifold in larger manifolds, for the purpose of parameterizing regions outside the sub manifold, is done frequently in mathematics, and occasionally in physics. There are many procedures (ways) to do it. Cheers.]

I think forest messed up his dose tonight

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

Who's Forest? A Forrest tribute act?

@quecee

Ай бұрын

@@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr Forest is what's standing in the way of theists who want to say, "look trees, therefore god." These theists can't see the trees for the forest.

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

@@quecee But... watchmaker yadda yadda 😆

@RickLambert963

29 күн бұрын

​@quecee Noisy Bot that can't understand what an example is. Tell us about objective reality and subjective reality and how in those realities 2 oranges times 2 pears equals 4 apples. How you can multiply density times mph equals joules. How Einstein’s energy-mass equivalency equation renders energy and mass equal disregarding that equation E=m. How there's a magic secret unit of measure that ties the equation together. How a constant in an equation is because the speed of light is constantly the speed of light in a vacuum. Do bots dream of electric sheep? Priceless fok'n hilarious.😂🤣😂🤣 AI just isn't that intelligent 🤦‍♂️🤦🙄 In the example: Energy is 15. Mass is 3. Light speed squared is 5. 15=3×5 3=15÷5 5=15÷3 What value for energy? What value for mass? What value for the speed of light squared? Solve for each expressed in an equation with values. Your answers should reflect the example. If you can't. Can you tell me why you can't? There's a reason these waste of time and space can't answer the questions. I've said it over and over. Who's your engineering daddy now? I'm still waiting on that unit of measure that ties Einstein’s energy-mass equivalency equation together that the stupid bots that can't perform third grade levels of math claim. What is the unit of measure that ties the equation E = mc^2 together are you talking about called? What value for energy? What value for mass? What value for the speed of light squared? Solve for each expressed in an equation with values. At what number in the Fibonacci sequence does Nine Code synchronize? In vortex math, what do all whole numbers reduce to? In the example: Energy is 15. Mass is 3. Light speed squared is 5. Light speed squared will always be 5 as a constant. Mass could be 2 instead. What would energy equal to then? The speed of light traveling through a vacuum may be expressed as: 186,282 miles per second. or 300,000 kilometers per second. or 983,571,056 feet per second. or 299,792,458 meters per second. A total of 10 answers at third and sixth-grade levels of math. Answer them correctly or shut up.Noisy Bot that can't understand what an example is. Tell us about objective reality and subjective reality and how in those realities 2 oranges times 2 pears equals 4 apples. How you can multiply density times mph equals joules. How Einstein’s energy-mass equivalency equation renders energy and mass equal disregarding that equation E=m. How there's a magic secret unit of measure that ties the equation together. How a constant in an equation is because the speed of light is constantly the speed of light in a vacuum. Do bots dream of electric sheep? Priceless fok'n hilarious.😂🤣😂🤣 AI just isn't that intelligent 🤦‍♂️🤦🙄 In the example: Energy is 15. Mass is 3. Light speed squared is 5. 15=3×5 3=15÷5 5=15÷3 What value for energy? What value for mass? What value for the speed of light squared? Solve for each expressed in an equation with values. Your answers should reflect the example. If you can't. Can you tell me why you can't? There's a reason these waste of time and space can't answer the questions. I've said it over and over. Who's your engineering daddy now? I'm still waiting on that unit of measure that ties Einstein’s energy-mass equivalency equation together that the stupid bots that can't perform third grade levels of math claim. What is the unit of measure that ties the equation E = mc^2 together are you talking about called? What value for energy? What value for mass? What value for the speed of light squared? Solve for each expressed in an equation with values. At what number in the Fibonacci sequence does Nine Code synchronize? In vortex math, what do all whole numbers reduce to? In the example: Energy is 15. Mass is 3. Light speed squared is 5. Light speed squared will always be 5 as a constant. Mass could be 2 instead. What would energy equal to then? The speed of light traveling through a vacuum may be expressed as: 186,282 miles per second. or 300,000 kilometers per second. or 983,571,056 feet per second. or 299,792,458 meters per second. A total of 10 answers at third and sixth-grade levels of math. Answer them correctly or shut up.

@tonyclements1147

29 күн бұрын

@@RickLambert963 🤣 The huge ego you have to still believe you’re right.

I live in a really scary place. To put it into words you guys might comprehend. Dr. Charles Xavier. Mutants live among us, some with powers so off the chart that they may be deemed a threat to the world. Level 5, maybe or maybe in that world, the "Beyonder". You can check it yourself, I don't do it, this is not my place, the web, but it is yours and you guys can seem to find anything. You explain it if you can find it. The "Force Field" over a whole town in the middle of an extreme weather event. One of those that cut into the regular programming to say seek shelter. WLNS in Lansing MI, prolly WILX in Lansing too. I don't know the date, but the weather guy out of his mouth was freaked out about the "Force Field" over this town. I could go on and on, and I may or may not go too far at times, how far is too far? This isn't like I had a dream or a feeling or I read it a book, studied for years and know the text, went to school and got a bunch of degrees. Back to Dr.X, what do you do, do we get to exist or do you put us on a list cuz I bet I'm on some lists. Begs the question, If a guy sitting on a perch in some seat says he speaks for god or lucifer and can do nothing and another can do things like this, which has authority?

@tonyclements1147

Ай бұрын

A force field? 🤦‍♂️

@kingtchenka628

29 күн бұрын

Lol smoke another one

@joshsheridan9511

29 күн бұрын

Pardon?

@nealjroberts4050

29 күн бұрын

You haven't really said anything so 🤷

@AmandaBrecc

29 күн бұрын

@@kingtchenka628 Well you' need to ask Andy Provenzano I think his name was, it was quite a while ago. I was merely showing a bunch of dickheads like yourself in my living room. Did you check or you just like another prick you claim you aren't. Wanna make something of the skirt too?

What I got from this. The same thing I always get. These call in shows are completely worthless in practically every way.

@KC-sd7nh

Ай бұрын

If theists could come up with new arguments than the responses would be different. But it's always the Kalam or pascals wager or "but it makes people happy"

@AXKfUN9m

Ай бұрын

@@KC-sd7nh Or strawmen of atheism. A LOT of strawmen.

@bungalobill7941

Ай бұрын

@@KC-sd7nh Yeah not really the problem. Here is the problem. It is rank amateurs on both sides and sounds like they are talking through cups on a string powered by a 9v battery during an electrical storm, with no actual stated subject to speak on. Call in shows are bottom of the barrel worthless.

@KC-sd7nh

Ай бұрын

@@AXKfUN9m instead of blaming atheist strawnen you could present a compelling case for theism. Maybe you'll be the one to finally do it...

@AXKfUN9m

Ай бұрын

@@KC-sd7nh I don't think you understood what I wrote.

You can't see the wind but you know when it's blowing; you can't see the Spirit of God, but you can know His presence. John 3 16 invites you to just such knowledge - and of His love and promise to those who will draw near to Him. As you implement the teachings and character of Jesus into your life and test His promises contained in His many names - you, just as the first disciples, will get a chance to learn who He really is - Your Provider, Your Healer, Your Deliverer, Your Peace in the midst of Chaos, who is also Friend.

What a waste of 6 minutes and 44 seconds of life.

@burningmisery

Ай бұрын

It was funny tho. Gotta love Forrest 🤘❤️🤘

"I just dont get how anybody is going to say that with a straight face, when your argument is coming against the actual wealth of knowledge and evidence that we have about the universe, it is just nutty dude" - Sorry, Mr. Forrest, but WHICH argument goes against WHICH evidence? You either didnt say that at all or it got lost in your emotional attack.

@nealjroberts4050

29 күн бұрын

The caller didn't actually provide any evidence they just tried to present a strawman of the BB so 🤷

@Jebus_Anti-theist

29 күн бұрын

Typical butthurt response from the LiarsForJesus crew. A bunch of non sequiturs and lame strawmen.

@eklektikTubb

28 күн бұрын

Hello? WHICH argument goes against WHICH evidence??

@nealjroberts4050

28 күн бұрын

@@eklektikTubb Please see previous posts

@eklektikTubb

28 күн бұрын

​@@nealjroberts4050 Yes, i see those pervious posts. So? Just quote the caller´s argument and tell me what is the evidence against it. 🤷‍♂

When Atheists Don't Follow the Script You've Been Given Part 94

@heinshaaine8153

Ай бұрын

James, no matter how annoying you want to be, i wont play in your furry role play, no matter how much you claim your script comes from a god

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

Stop it - you're way too ignorant to be making Private Eye references.

@jameshastie3864

27 күн бұрын

@@SundaeExpress Wow, you guys totally missed the point of my comment. The caller clearly had a script they intended to follow and all I was remarking on was how poorly they were able to cope with the independent thought on offer from AXP. As does every theist who calls in that obviously has a script in front of them.

@SundaeExpress

27 күн бұрын

@@jameshastie3864 So why did you say atheists, not theists?

@jameshastie3864

26 күн бұрын

@@SundaeExpress Because the atheists weren't giving the answers the theists wanted them to. You can tell, because they are always trying to steer the conversation back to the script.

Please remember that flat earthers and conspiracy theorists often misinterpret the Bible. It's kind of like when a flat earther tells you that the Bible says that the earth is flat, you believe the flat earther but you hardly give the Bible a chance.

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

Have you taken your Concerta? I'm worried about you.

@tonyclements1147

Ай бұрын

The fact that the Bible, already written in simple language of the time somehow needs to be interpreted to make sense is quite hilarious.

@shaylagonser9341

Ай бұрын

@@tonyclements1147 YET you believe someone when they misinterpret the Bible but you don't believe what the Bible says which makes a whole lot of sense. Let that sink in for a bit, you might learn something.

@tonyclements1147

Ай бұрын

@@shaylagonser9341 What part of my comment confused you? The Bible, written in the language of the time somehow needs to be interpreted by people? Whose interpretation is correct? How many books is the official biblical canon? Whose denomination is the right one? Whose faith is the right one? Oh that’s right, you lot all think you have all the correct answers no matter your faith or denomination. Your god did a shite job allowing evolved primates to decide what his message was, and what was apocryphal. You lot honestly believe an invisible wizard created everything from nothing, including *two fully grown sapient humans* from dirt/clay and a rib, you should read a book besides the Bible, you lot might learn something.

@shaylagonser9341

Ай бұрын

@@SundaeExpress I'm pretty sure you might have a PHD in psychology, you can at least do something productive with it. Trying to deconvert Christians with a PHD in psychology is like being an expert at math and still saying that 13.5+6.5 equals anything but 20.

Stop with the preliminary pronouns.... not helping.

@GroundhogRoy

Ай бұрын

So you keep saying 20 times a day under every video they put up. How about, you know, just getting the fuck over it?

@quecee

Ай бұрын

@@GroundhogRoy His constant posts of him whining about a part of grammar... not helping.

@SundaeExpress

Ай бұрын

@@quecee I wonder if prepositions upset him as much as this.

@quecee

Ай бұрын

@@SundaeExpress He's VERY particular. He's only concerned about 3rd-person pronouns.

@Hampton_Doubleday_Jr

Ай бұрын

Yeah, why are we always picking on pronouns while the other parts of speech are running riot? I'm looking at you, prepositions - we know where you are. And as for you adjectives, your behaviour is indescribable. And don't even get me started on nouns - I have some choice names for them! And I dread think what the verbs are doing. Frankly, all parts of speech should be arrested and given long sentences.

I didn’t wanna do this: Proceeds to make nearly shouting masterbatory appeals to mockery about religion even though the question definitively left out the consideration of god. “Ladies and Gentlemen we got ‘em!” Atheism is terrified of the phrase “an aspect of nature that we have yet to understand”

@heinshaaine8153

Ай бұрын

You misunderstood not letting people make wild claims about stuff we and they dont understand (aka lying) with being terrified... And wait is pointing out that Christians believe that god (a guy) did everything and cares about you masturbating, suddenly mockery? Are oyu ashamed of your religion?

@CollinGerberding

Ай бұрын

how old were you when you first told yourself that everyone else is wrong unless they agree with you?

@heinshaaine8153

Ай бұрын

What was the mockery?

@amtlpaul

Ай бұрын

False. There is plenty we don't understand.

@Bozo_Weirdo

Ай бұрын

@@amtlpaul so, it follows that you can acknowledge that a deity could be an aspect of nature you have yet to understand.

So.

All you have to do is ask a religious person what is a god and they will crumble… they can’t really answer the question.

@Bozo_Weirdo

29 күн бұрын

God is truth and love and life incarnate. The entire purpose of Christianity is to share with you who and what God is. He is the way, the light, and the truth.

@Seticzech

28 күн бұрын

@@Bozo_Weirdo Truth is truth, love is love. Not some weird god. "The entire purpose of Christianity is to share with you who and what God is." Lie. "He is the way, the light, and the truth." Nope.

@fernlovebond

28 күн бұрын

@@Bozo_Weirdo These are just deepisms: statements that seem, superficially, to be profound, and which people tend to then attach profundity to as if the statement says more than it does. But when you get down to it "god is truth" or "god is love" are meaningless figurative terms. They mean nothing and you communicated nothing. You're not offering anything useful or valuable to the discussion, you're just talking like a stoner. How is this being you posit an abstract concept about facts and reality, or the sensation we get when neuropeptides flood the synapses to give us the feeling we label "love"? That's nonsensical. Forrest Valkai is the teacher and biologist on this episode of AXP who spent several minutes talking about the concept of the Big Bang and what we mean by the term "supernatural." He has a career in the sciences, and engages in activism and awareness cultivation for science and atheism, because he has a strong belief in the value of rational thinking, logic, and basing our decisions and beliefs on reason and reality, which theism and religion tend to contradict. He has a loving family, and spends time laughing and enjoying both them, and his work. His efforts have impacted millions of people, and he is a well-respected and much-adored member of several KZread communities. See? I just shared with you who and what Forrest Valkai is. It may not be complete, or even exceptionally accurate, but it communicates a concept of how he behaves and what he cares about, as well as his actual effort in the world. All you have is a crappy old book full of hate and contradictions, and your dogmas about one of its central villains, YHWH (or sometimes El, or Elohim), which you apparently believe makes your nonsense statements valuable. Pro tip: they do not.

@peterdembowy4459

28 күн бұрын

@@Bozo_Weirdo thank you for proving my point. god is truth? Wtf does that even mean!? It’s not even a coherent sentence. Truth is truth. You say god is truth, yet you call him a he. How can truth be a person. It doesn’t make any logical sense whatsoever. If you ask 10 people what god is. You will get 10 different answers.

@Bozo_Weirdo

28 күн бұрын

@@peterdembowy4459 Also ask 10 different people what love is. God is not a “person.” Crumble more! That was great! 😊

He/him Caleb LOL wtf is this bullshit…?

@fernlovebond

28 күн бұрын

Why are some people so hung up about pronouns? Is this really such a threat to you that it becomes the focus of your entire comment? You have nothing to say about the content of the call, the subjects being discussed, you just want to troll people about pronouns? What's your problem?

@peterdembowy4459

28 күн бұрын

@@fernlovebond I find it very strange that a man named Mike, who sounds and looks like a man has to state that his pronouns are he/him. This is ass backwards crazy. It’s insane. Of course his pronouns are he/him, it’s common sense. The only time it would make sense to use pronouns is in the rare instance where someone is trans and they look like the opposite gender and it’s not clear if they are a man or woman.

@peterdembowy4459

28 күн бұрын

@@fernlovebond I’m saying that it’s absolutely insane for a man named Mike, who looks and sounds like a man to first provide his pronouns of he/him before a conversation. This is insanity. It’s common sense that his pronouns are he/him. The only time it is appropriate to use pronouns is if a person is trans and you can’t tell if they are a man or a woman.

Ironically the fundamental question should be ....how could the first thing or first cause be either conscious, hierarchical, sentient, polarised and/or all knowing??? As under those original claimed conditions... of both religions and science ...the question is whether. It's non conscious dipolar "energy and matter, or an invisible conscious hierarchical / non hierarchical (?) creator god or programmers. Because if they were on their own in the dark void of only themselves ...both would have zero capacity to ponder or test, or compare or confirm even what it is or might be ..or what might be true or false! In fact logically in isolation without any reference.... even a god would at best be dumb, ignorant, deranged, conflicted, deluded and unstable!

@nealjroberts4050

29 күн бұрын

Actually the fundamental question with causality is "is a first cause even possible?" If the answer is No, then any eternal creator god is automatically excluded. If the answer is Yes, then the conditions needed need to be determined, including whether multiples are then possible, before a god can even be considered.

@humanitech

29 күн бұрын

@@nealjroberts4050 but given that most accept there has always had to be "something" present to interact, react and respond to form, create, evolve (and of course transition, flip, reverse and destroy) things! It is already considered there was and is either (1) elemental dipolar energy, matter and materials.... or (2) a conscious thinking agent, designer, or hierarchical god/s, and eternal devil/s ... or hosts of crazy aliens, bob the builder's or computer programmer's! Therefore eternal causation or recycling causation(?) is pretty much accepted by both science and religions! Therefore the only real question remains to whether there was or is any actual agency, purpose or meaning to it all... or not!?

@nealjroberts4050

29 күн бұрын

​@@humanitech Logically, "always something" means no first cause is possible.

@humanitech

29 күн бұрын

@@nealjroberts4050 agreed

@stephenolan5539

29 күн бұрын

​@@nealjroberts4050 I think it is all a bit of a red herring. I think Thiests real concern is whether we are on purpose or not. And when they say nothing they mean no sentience.