Project 0137 | Making a polygon lathe cutter mechanism
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In many cases, a processed piece on the lathe needs to have some shapes in some parts of it not cylindrical shapes that a conventional lathe cannot create. These shapes can be square, hexagons and generally polygons.
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I've been in machining my entire life including 5 axis CNC lathe and mill starting out as a manual machinist and I've never heard of or seen anything like this
@jeremycable51
Жыл бұрын
I literally just learned about this a week ago when titans of cnc had a short about it seen a different one from them today then five minutes later this video on how to make one pops up on my feed quite amazing tbh
@sleepib
Жыл бұрын
I think the secret is that you don't really get flat sides, just an approximation. Even then you'd only get a good approximation at specific combinations of diameter and gear ratio. 19:36 is a good example.
@user-ig9nt6ps8z
Жыл бұрын
Два месяца назад это уже сделали в России kzread.info/dash/bejne/hZqapLCJnNuumtI.html&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE Two months ago it was already done in Russia
@jeremycable51
Жыл бұрын
@@sleepib by the looks of it running off the lead screw on a 1-1 gear ratio is the ticket but yeah it’s based off gear ratio cutting tool numbers tool length and diameter lots of little details to work out excellent for production work not so much for less than 100 parts
@capitanschetttino8745
Жыл бұрын
Its just magic for me. Its all I can say...
That is a brilliant addition.
@MakeitExtreme
Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your good comments Colin. We really appreciate it.
@charickter
Жыл бұрын
Hi, Colin! 🤘🤓👍
@AndrewFroude
Жыл бұрын
That is exactly what I was going to say! Well done.
@eciodellatorre5945
Жыл бұрын
@@MakeitExtreme de
@ericmerchant3646
Жыл бұрын
My mind is blown
Спасибо Евгению с канала Мехамозг. Все же воспитанные такие. Поблагодарят всех, кроме тех, чью идею взяли.
@petr_petrovith
Ай бұрын
Мехамозг взял эту инфу из литературы СССР. Он сам об этом говорил...
This is astounding!!! I am a machinist and a machine designer and if I didn't see this with my own eyes I wouldn't believe it possible to cut parallel flats in a lathe like this. What you have here is awesome. Beautiful job.
Ok that's the best lathe trick I've ever seen!
@patrickezuma7140
Жыл бұрын
Check out Mehamozg on KZread. He's Russian so unless you speak Russian good luck but he did this a long time ago
DUDE!!! This is absolutely amazing! The thinking involved here and executing it so eloquently is a real treat to behold and my brain got bigger. You're the "Eddie VanHalen" of Machining. Just Wow!
@DiffEQ
Жыл бұрын
And you don't know that "you're" is a contraction. You read/write/speak/hear the language every day and STUDIED it in school, but you just can't get it. No wonder you are "amazed." SMH
@MrTWOproductions
Жыл бұрын
@@DiffEQ Not everyone has English as their first language.
@Henrik.Yngvesson
Жыл бұрын
@@MrTWOproductions WHAT!? Are you saying that other countries outside of USA has internet? 🤣
@Henrik.Yngvesson
Жыл бұрын
@@DiffEQ This is a Greek chanel, take your British colonialism somewhere else! 🤣
@MrTWOproductions
Жыл бұрын
@@Henrik.Yngvesson Yes, here in the old world we even have Google Translate.
Take note This Old Tony … This is how you turn a cube (and many other polygons) on a lathe. By far one of the coolest things I’ve seen done ever, Well done!
@Skinflaps_Meatslapper
Жыл бұрын
It's a great concept if all you have available is a lathe. ToT uses either CNC to cut polygons or a dividing head on a mill to get precise flats on more important stuff. These all end up concave on the flats, which would probably be okay for most uses that don't require much torque.
I have never seen anyone put one of these on a manual machine and I’ve definitely never seen someone make their own. You are a legend! Also, that demo with the sharpies was the best explanation I have ever seen as to how these work, and you didn’t even say a single word. This is an awesome video!
@user-vd3os1gx1p
4 ай бұрын
Он своровал идею у другого блоггера.
This is one of the coolest things I've seen you make!
@gustarrezende
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking about that...
@frankierzucekjr
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I watched very carefully and still don't understand how it works. He's a freakin genius
This is the perfect demonstration where KZread engenders innovation. I can't wait to see how projects evolve in the coming years. What a great time to live!
So I know I just watched you build the whole thing. Watched how it works and saw you using it, and my brain doesn't want to believe it. This is sick.
@TalonPro
Жыл бұрын
^^^ what he said.
@Tasarran
Жыл бұрын
I just said basically the same thing. It's like when Penn and Teller show you how the trick is done, and they still leave you confounded...
You are 1of the rare i have seen and worked with 40 years ago.keep our heritage lights burning bright upon the tallest poles which is you. Well done.
This just brings back memories from forty years ago. An old machinist, tool die maker made this attachment for a lathe. I tip my hat to you "Make it Extreme." Job well done.
@victoryfirst2878
Жыл бұрын
You have to remember, a lathe is the only machine that can reproduce itself.
Milling lathe? By far, the coolest build I've seen this year. Fantastic work, as always. Thanks for sharing guys
i was manual machinist for many years and now i am retired but still enjoying seeing machining. the enjoyment of making parts and see the final product get in your blood .
WTAF? Mind blown! Just amazing, thanks for sharing.
@Boris_Blade_Britva
Жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/hZqapLCJnNuumtI.html -. Original
@lUnderdogl
Жыл бұрын
@@Boris_Blade_Britva I think in this video he is using cardan, other dude using cvj.
A smaller diameter cutter cutting a decent size material with the 8 side profile could make some nice knobs with concave sides like you might see on control valves ;)
I've been watching channels like this one for many many years, most of them mill their hex patterns, but this guy has stepped up and displayed pure genius! Excellent work!
I'm trying to understand the mathematics behind this! It's incredible! I'm not even a machinist, but I can still see the amount of hardwork and genius into this beautiful mechanism. Subscribed!
I had no idea what this was going to do until the markers taped to the cutter made their appearance, then it all clicked. Absolutely astounding work.
I have to admit I didn’t know what you were doing until you demonstrated it. One of the most incredible things I’ve ever seen. Being that it’s this channel that’s saying a lot.
This is just insanely cool! I wish you were still doing your voice overs to get some insight into how you figure out this stuff, but like Ca Lem it is good to just watch masters at work. Your channel was the first I saw that made me want to learn machining! Best wishes for the holiday season
Wow, I love engineering, mechanics, geometry, 3D modelling, etc. and I just couldn't keep up with what you just did there! It is really amazing! Congratulations!!!
πρωτη φορα βλεπω κατι τετοιο, και εχω φαει πολλα βιβλια με πατεντες και εργαλεια τορνου. μπραβο
@gyrogearloose1345
Жыл бұрын
Michail wrote - courtesy Google Translate - first time I see something like this, and I have read many books with patents and lathe tools. Well done.
@moshesheckel7369
Жыл бұрын
@@gyrogearloose1345 Thank you for your service.
@Boris_Blade_Britva
Жыл бұрын
kzread.info/dash/bejne/hZqapLCJnNuumtI.html original
very neat lathe option, incredible work !
That is totally awesome! I’ve also been a machinist for 30 years, that took a lot of planning and engineering 👏👏
I had to watch it a couple of times. I was worried the tool would make the flats slightly concave, but since the spindle and the tool rotate together and you're using a single point cutter there isn't an issue with concave cutting.
I came across Polygon turning in CNC's only a month ago and I have been looking for all the info I can find, I believed it was possible to transfer to a manual lathe, and you just proved it......absolutely brilliant job and thank you for sharing...merry Xmas.
Geometry really is amazing, and your lathe addon can be an incredibly powerful tool- To say nothing of the time saved in switching between lathe and mill. Wish I could get my favorite YT creators to see this (Cutting Edge Engineering [Australia]), this seems like something RIGHT up Kurtis' alley
I am blown away by the sheer brilliance of your work and ability to come up with this. Truly awe inspiring.
Perfect timing. Just saw the Titans of CNC version of this. Brilliant making it by hand!
Awesome work guys. Euclid would be proud.
Wow, I've never seen anything like this. Congrats man
Wow, untill the marker demonstration I was confused how this would work, being able to add or subtract the about if sides the polygon has makes this such a complex build. congrats 👏
Absolutely crazy work! If I had just 1% of your talent I'd be over the moon. Beautiful to watch, my type of poetry
What black magic is this! 😁👏👏👏
I did not know that such things were possible, I am blown away by this. You guys are amazing!
@patrickezuma7140
Жыл бұрын
Check out Mehamozg on KZread. He's Russian so unless you speak Russian good luck but he did this a long time ago
Trying to even understand how this works hurts my brain, yet you just whip one up that works brilliantly. Awesome level of skill!
передаю огромный привет Евгению с канала @Mehamozg!!! Жень, ты большой молодец!!! твои работы служат примером и пособием для других мастеров!!!)
From "The Machine shop of the Sierra Modre": "So, you're a machine shop. Where's your CNC?" "CNC? CNC? We don't need no stinking CNC!" Brilliant! A REALLY interesting, quality video! Thank you.
I'm no machinist, so this is the first time I see this type of lathe attachment, super interesting!
From one skilled machinist to another... This is just insane ..
Having watched the whole video, I still can't wrap my head around what it's doing. I mean, I get how the mechanical parts work, that all makes sense. But I still don't understand how it's achieving the shapes. Amazing.
I like the nail you used when drill pressing the metal plate to keep it from sling shooting. There are too many youtubers I've seen that use a drill press and either don't clamp their piece down or use something like a screw to keep it from moving.
I would love to see this filmed with a high speed camera to better understand the mechanics of how this works. Incredible!
@castelmichel8670
Жыл бұрын
ditto
What black magic is this, and how do I get my sorcery skills so high? Seriously, though, I’ve been watching you guys for such a long time now. Been a Patreon supporter since the beginning. You guys never cease to amaze me with your creativity, your fabrication skills and your unstoppable drive. I want to be just like you guys when I grow up. I’m in my 40s, but surely “grown up” is just around the corner.
I concur with the comments of the other engineers here. This is a very clever piece of engineering. Being academically clever is one thing, as is being highly skilled practically, it's when the two are combined that extraordinary achievements are realised. Superb video.👋❤
You are an absolute genius. I have no idea how you figured this out or how it even works. You make this look so easy lol and i know it's extremely difficult. Well done buddy, I really enjoy watching you create these amazing tools and machines. Freakin incredible.
I am not a machinist but such a Lovely and finest job its very rare to seen.
@betobeto5641
Жыл бұрын
É verdade torneiro tem muito agora criativo tem poucos
@Watchyn_Yarwood
Жыл бұрын
👍 agree 100%
@dh2032
Жыл бұрын
and a nod to health safety too, all wall fitting guards, iven on the drive shaft thing, very well implemented work, is the a new idea, or was it more making stand machine into up market one anyway like video, no flash light, stuff, just the contents, that all that's needed?
You've truly outdone yourself this time; if it were up to me I'd be looking into the "patent pending" side of things just incase. *Well done* concerning every aspect of this build and its design. Merry CHRISTmas as well.
Смотрел как под гипнозом. Превеликое уважение тебе Человеку созидающему!.
Amazing work. I thought it was going to be a clock! The geometry is mind bending. So now we need a video about how you set up the gear train/gearbox and calculate the size of cutter relative to the size of the polygon.
This is just genius. What an awesome mod and excellent execution!
That geometry makes my head hurt😂. Great video.
ياصديقي انا مصمم لكني افهم ماقمت بعمله بهذا المقطع لقد قمت بعمل جبار، انت رجل خارق بالفعل تهانينا ياصديقي عمل رائع. صديقك هاشم من اليمن👍
I used a polygon box driven off of the tool post. It used wheels that touched the o/d to drive the thing, and the cutting tool moved towards the o/d and back again. Exactly the same result. Round bar made into hexagon. It was a very clever design. Ruston Gas Turbines Lincoln, is where I was trained. Back in the 1970s, so it's nothing new. Your version I've never seen before., but very clever.
Absolutely wonderful
@user-ig9nt6ps8z
Жыл бұрын
Два месяца назад это уже сделали в России kzread.info/dash/bejne/hZqapLCJnNuumtI.html&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE Two months ago it was already done in Russia
Два месяца назад это уже сделали в России kzread.info/dash/bejne/hZqapLCJnNuumtI.html&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE Two months ago it was already done in Russia
Great project. Please note that universal joints introduce a sinusoidal variation in the rotational speed that is proportionate to the angle through which the joint is turning. This means that when using two joints at opposite ends of a shaft, the joints should be indexed 180 degrees from each other so that the speed variations cancel out. Cheers!
This man deserves a Nobel Prize for his skills and craftsmanship!
@user-vd3os1gx1p
4 ай бұрын
Он всего лишь своровал идею у другого блоггера.
This is an awesome addon for the lathe! Should be a new standard attachment!
Brilliant, dude! Really fantastic work!!! 😃 Crazy what your machine can do!!! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊 Merry Christmas and happy new year!
@user-ig9nt6ps8z
Жыл бұрын
Два месяца назад это уже сделали в России kzread.info/dash/bejne/hZqapLCJnNuumtI.html&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE Two months ago it was already done in Russia
Seen this in other videos but great that you showed us how to do it. Thankyou. And now there should be over 1.9 million lathes around the world with this attachment
Some people are much ingenious than other. Thanks for this incredible manufacturing process.
The machining was good but the Engineering is Superb , You are Very Talented / and your Algebra s not bad neither ............
To remove the need to check for progress every now and then, make a strobe light syncked to chuck rpm. The piece being procecced will seem to be stationary during operation.
@shaunjacobs3171
Жыл бұрын
Genius!
I know this is maths, specifically geometry, plus some clever engineering. But that's BURN THE WITCH!!!-level magic to me. Amazing work.
OOOOOOKAY I watched this whole thing from the start not knowing anything about what this was even for or what the point was or anything, and then right at the end, boom magic, that was awesome.
Hadn't even considered this could be done. Outstanding, much respect!! Question is could you build a cutting head that would cut polyganol holes instead of using a broach? Thank you for sharing this and your amazing talents, your tig work is superb!
Absolutely awesome!!!🤩 Great job, Dude!
I am impressed with this person's skills and ability to design this. Amazing.
trying to wrap my brain around this one! absolutely amazing! thank you for flexing brother, your knowledge shared inspires thousands of people, including me.
What kind of sorcery is this........ this guy is amazing
@patrickezuma7140
Жыл бұрын
Check out Mehamozg on KZread. He's Russian so unless you speak Russian good luck but he did this a long time ago
48 years as a machinist and toolmaker and I am amazed! Genius thinking!
That was amazing. I’ve never seen an attachment like this for a lathe. I hope you patent this. Really nice work. Thank you for sharing this. Very interesting to watch.
@user-cm8vt5nw7f
9 ай бұрын
بالفعل ياصديقي هذا يعتبر اختراع جديد بامكان شركات تصنيع المخارط اضافة هذه الوظيفةالملحقة لكل المخارط وتحسب نسبة لصديقنا يعقوب.
@user-vd3os1gx1p
4 ай бұрын
Он своровал идею у другого блоггера который давно таким устройством работает.
Sei un grande maestro...non finirai mai di stupire...👹👹👹...buon Natale a te famiglia e tutti i fans che ti seguono...
Magnifique travail -
What else will you do? You take the profession to the top. great work !
This is insane, just on another level from what you usually see. Respect!!
You made me want to buy a lathe machine !!!
I don't believe: how it's possible! you are amazing! My best wishes for holiday and happy new 2023
A small detail that may be of interest. You have made a slip joint driveshaft, which usually use a spring-loaded slip pin to enable quick attach / detach both ends instead of having to insert and tighten a stud / bolt. Overall a seriously impressive project and it takes a bit to impress me
DANG! If anybody had told me "watch me extract a polygon out of a round RIGHT at the late chuck!" I would have responded with a "No frigging way! IMPOSSIBLE!!!!" Glad to have seen this first here so I don't look like an idiot... Simply amazing!
Is this able to do multiple sizes of each shape by varying the offset or do you need different sized cutting bits?
@Cara.314
Жыл бұрын
there's a range that you can do with each cutter, depending how flat you need the flats, larger and smaller sizes with make concave or convex but in many cases is still more than fine for a wrench. you could also have attachments for making internal and external splines. or even a gear hobbing tool, those require more tooling selection for different sizes. i do stuff like this with live tooling on a cnc lathe.
Magic pure Magic.
man, where to like 1000x .... the creativity of the creators of the channel is amazing👏👏👏👏👏👏👏🤝
@MakeitExtreme
Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much
I am not a machinest but I have taken a few machine shop classes over the years so I kind of understand what is going on. First you removed the timing pulley and replaced it by a gear driven transmission (nicely done esp the plexi safety guard. You use this to drive a rotating cutter head that you fabricated. Then you created a series of devices that drive the cutter in such a way as to create a variety of hex configurations. In essence you turned the lathe into an mill that allows you to mill all the flats, all at once as long as you have the right hex tool in the drive shaft. Impressive. How close am I machinsts out there. I am a big fan of the CEE YT channel of Kurtis in Aus. Now I have to subscribe to this one as well.
I've always thought I had above average spatial reasoning, but I had to slow this video down and watch it a few times to wrap my head around the geometry 😅
@johnspathonis1078
Жыл бұрын
The shapes machined by this process are not flat. They have a slight curve. The original idea behind this process is that these are flats to apply a spanner.
On the channel of the Russian blogger "Мехамозг" there was a more detailed video about this method of machining. Moreover, he carved a full-fledged dagger with this method.
@Keradxxz
Жыл бұрын
author of the idea " Mehamozg " stolen idea....
@user-ww4vd9mx1b
Жыл бұрын
two months earlier - kzread.info/dash/bejne/hZqapLCJnNuumtI.html dagger making - kzread.info/dash/bejne/eZiotNushrKrpZM.html
Hugely enjoyable to watch - respect for your thinking and fabrication. For me the music could be way quieter, but other than that - top stuff!
A joy to see such a legendary master.
For most of the video I was thinking why would you want the cutter spinning the same speed as the part. This was amazing after I saw how it works! It’s too bad you basically need a whole machine shop to make the tool instead of just the lathe (which is all I have)
@jwljwljwwwwl
Жыл бұрын
This tool is amazing, dont get me wrong, but you can just use a mill to square or hex cut with much cheaper tooling.
@1259bogs
Жыл бұрын
@@jwljwljwwwwl but would this be cheaper than buying a mill… I only have a lathe
@KaranveerSingh97
Жыл бұрын
Mehamozg makes it on a lathe only... Go check his channel Edit: you'll need to turn on subtitles
@benjaminwetter3285
Жыл бұрын
@@1259bogs I think it was @InheritanceMachining who said: "a lathe is just a mill tipped over"
@1259bogs
Жыл бұрын
@@benjaminwetter3285 I’ve seen some of his vids, and yes that is true. I would have to make a milling attachment though (not saying I won’t) because buying one for my lathe is too expensive
Yours videos are just like therapy to me...
Wow. Super impressive.Takes a better spatial understanding than I can muster to dream up something like that.
Dude even finishes off with paint and labelling! Nice!
Okay... I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the box but that's just caused me a whole lot of questions, the biggest one is 'how?'. I'm not a machinist but looking at the way the lathe.... got it.... I think. The lathe's running in reverse so the part feed runs clockwise against the cutter running anticlockwise. With the tool offset by x amount the cutter only contacts the part for a portion of it's rotation with a 1:1 ratio. I think.... Very cool, seriously interesting. I've not had my brain so focussed on something for a long time. And I still might be wrong.... instant sub from me. Your awesome
So other machinists just joke that they don't have their square endmills on hand to machine square holes, and you go and do it? Also, can you use this (or similiar) method to create square holes too?
@warmesuppe
Жыл бұрын
Yes a planetary gear set can do polygonal holes. Its nothing new to be honest.
@dimitar4y
Жыл бұрын
nah sadly a round cutter can cut an outside square, because when it moves linearly, it makes a linear cut. But internally the minimum "corner radius" will always be based on the diameter of the cutter. You have make a round hole then broach it or scrape it to shape. No other way around it. However, there ARE techniques for cutting odd shaped holes, and a custom square endmill might actually do this... Like a trilobe hole maker...
@Sara-L
Жыл бұрын
@@dimitar4y one machinist pointed out another method is using EDM to create sharp inside corners.
@dimitar4y
Жыл бұрын
@@Sara-L he's asking for a lathe method, doofus.
@jestempies
Жыл бұрын
@@dimitar4y Please be civil.
У нас Мехамозг что-то похожее делал
@_MadFox
Жыл бұрын
Не что-то, а абсолютно то же самое, тут просто спиздили молчаком и не упомянули первого автора.
Like: we do the impossible every day, we are specializing in miracles. Congratulations great job.
I am so glade to see you putting a PTO guard on that. One of the worst breakdowns I've had on our farm was from a wiring harness and hydraulic hoses somehow getting caught on a PTO and ripping out of the machine I was operating.(PTO stands for Power Take Off and is driven by the tractors engine. Considering the fact that some of those tractors can be over 100 horsepower...... need I say more?) I would look at covering the universal joint as that is also somewhere that things could get caught.