These comments have gotten a little... out of hand. Let me clarify a few things: 1. The point here was not to say that some languages have no use cases. It was just meant to be fun and discuss languages I do/don't enjoy using and their overall impact on the industry. Use whatever you want to use or whatever works for your needs - I use many of the languages I ranked lower in this list frequently. 2. I never said I don't understand Python or that it was garbage. I use Python professionally basically every day, and I ranked it fairly highly. I just focused on the negatives as many of the positives are a given. The point is to share my deviations from the standard take. 3. My "problem" with Python and why I didn't rank it higher is that it consistently breaks conventions. It might even make better choices than languages before it, but imo it deviates too much from syntactical norms. This makes it a pain in large dev teams as people who don't work in Python every day have to look at loops with code like enumerate(range(whatever)) and try to convert that to traditional loops in their head. Or they have to look at list comprehension messes that oftentimes prioritize conciseness over readability. The increment operator was just one tiny example of this, but there are many more. Also I personally am just not a huge fan of the whitespace sensitivity over curly braces, but that's mostly personal preference. 4. Yes I am aware TS exists, and when I say JS I am more of referring to both of them. This might heat some frontend devs, but TS is a syntax extension of JS, it's closer to a framework than its own language. 5. Some reasoning behind JavaScript in GOAT: It can easily be used on the frontend and backend, and it has the most developers who know it. This gives it more versatility than arguably any other language, and it helps prevent context switching. It's an incredibly efficient way to work for full-stack developers. There are more jobs using JavaScript than any other language. The open source ecosystem/community is larger than any other. Despite what random comments will tell you, it's generally pretty performant in the modern day. This is less an artifact of the language itself and more the deep level of effort put into implementations of it, but still worth stating. Also, I just enjoy the syntax personally, but at the end of the day that's just a personal preference. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk, carry on with your intended JS flame. Just be kind to each other please 🤝

@justinth963

Жыл бұрын

You could say that python is a syntax extension of C with that same argument.

@ConnerArdman

Жыл бұрын

@@justinth963 ​ That's not a reasonable extension of the argument. For Python to be a syntax extension, C code would have to be valid Python code, which it is not. All JavaScript code is valid TypeScript code. TypeScript simply extends the language with some extra syntax. This is not much different than how JSX is a syntax extension of JS allowing for inline XML. This is basically said verbatim in the header of their official website, just without the word "extension": "TypeScript is JavaScript with syntax for types." A more reasonable comparison would be to say that C++ is a syntax extension of C. I'd argue that this is a correct statement as C++ is a superset of C. This one would be a bit more debatable though, as they have diverged significantly more than JS and TS have-hence why I included them separately.

@justinth963

Жыл бұрын

@@ConnerArdman I guess what I mean is that typescript transpiles to javascript. in my mind, a framework would be more like jquery.

@sandeepbhartiya7486

Жыл бұрын

What about java?

@flymykim

Жыл бұрын

HAO DERR U SAY THAY BOUT MY LANGUIAGE!!! but honestly where is java?

Python: confusing garbage JS:

@forestmanzpedia

Жыл бұрын

As someone who worked with JavaScript I approve this lmao

@lolman6976

Жыл бұрын

​@@forestmanzpedia as someone who had a job doing basic python ai and did a few freelancing on fiver I would like to say both are complicated so let's just burn the syntax

@theelitelance7586

Жыл бұрын

@@lolman6976 Tf is that text alignment

@petrlaskevic1948

Жыл бұрын

JS is a pile of garbage, Python is MUCH less quirky

@Kanal-yh5xi

Жыл бұрын

​@@theelitelance7586 the name of the person he answered to is read right to left instead of left to right so KZread auto aligns the text accordingly.

if Python is confusing then wtf is JS doing up there 😂

@Agent-1840

11 ай бұрын

“confusing” wasnt the only problem he mentioned

@Femboy_Jophiel

11 ай бұрын

JS is insanely good at doing the things it was made to do. Python is decent at most things, except a ton of basic stuff like what he mentioned in the video. The only reason you would use python over JS is for M.L.

@ashuking8535

11 ай бұрын

JS is the king of web, JS is the only language that you can use to make full stack web application also it is used in other things as well like AI, Game dev, App dev, Software Dev. Whereas python is more focused on data science and ML kind of stuff although its very good language but not as good as JS. Dosen't matter how good you know python and it's web frameworks but you still need to know JS for web dev.

@RestlessSpin

11 ай бұрын

@@ashuking8535 So your saying for someone who wants to learn programming I should learn Java as first programming language? (Im that person)

@user-eh2el2mt2n

10 ай бұрын

@@RestlessSpin If you mean Java then no. If you mean Javascript then yes and no. You can learn almost anything for first language to learn program behavior and algorithm then you can step up to another language. For first language i don’t recommend to learn OOP language like java c# or specific language like r matlab.

Non-JavaScript developers: This language is trash JavaScript developers: This language is trash

@matteofalduto766

Ай бұрын

As a big fan of JavaScript, I can confirm it is trash.

@user-bz4pj4rv4m

Ай бұрын

yeban

@martinmeza8551

Ай бұрын

true

@VinayakGupta08_

28 күн бұрын

Java and C++ should be on Tier 1

@user-bz4pj4rv4m

28 күн бұрын

@@VinayakGupta08_ no

Wtf, Python is confusing, but JS is GOAT? Give me whatever this guy is smoking

@Flenzzey

3 ай бұрын

this guy somehow looks like son of mark zuckerberg

@ThisShitWontWor

Ай бұрын

@@Flenzzeyif Zuckerberg was smoking too much zaza

@aissaderras6973

Ай бұрын

😭😭😭 omg how ?!

@artoriapd

Ай бұрын

If you start with Python, then it will be easy for you, but if You start with other programming language that syntax were C-Like, e.g. C, C++, or JS (or TS?), then Python syntax is is confusing and very unconventional, for example: In other programming language, ternary might look like: a ? b : c While in Python it's b if a else c The syntax is unconventional unless you start with Python. Edit: Fixed typo, 1 letter typo though haha!

@GDT-Studio

Ай бұрын

​@@artoriapdtrue

Fun fact: the brain of the guy is coded in JavaScript

@anti194hex

7 ай бұрын

Stop be so mad come on dude thats just program languages you cant be so mad at someone's opinion

@Hasde_dfs

6 ай бұрын

@@anti194hexthe thing is that at that point it may as well be misinformation, JavaScript was so bad they created another language to fix its “quirks”.

@eldolarescaro676

5 ай бұрын

​@@anti194hex it is a joke

@justanaveragebalkan

Ай бұрын

@@anti194hex But you can be mad at someones objectively bad opinion, and things like this should be called out because then other morons find them, long story short people start using a scripting language for backend. Oh wait that already happened. You can't simply say that JavaScript is better than PHP, i don't even write PHP for a living, but one is a scripting language running on single thread and the other one is basically a c processor. Not to mention the amazing ecosystem around Laravel, that just lifts the language to another level. But most importantly, the dude made the biggest mistake, he didn't show GO as a godlike language.

@ellayin0406

Ай бұрын

No its coded in scratch jr

Bro is a HTML programmer😂😂

@1mol831

Жыл бұрын

:)

@user-fr2fm3ri3w

Жыл бұрын

HTML isn’t even a programming language 😊

@satyamsharma3524

Жыл бұрын

@@user-fr2fm3ri3w i already know bro... it's just written in a Sarcastic way😌

@sadkefekaya6442

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-fr2fm3ri3wIKR

@TaitoHuttunen

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-fr2fm3ri3w it's literally the joke

Python: confusing Javascript: no errors, your code is fine but i am bored so error at 1:7 lmao.js

@tanishkagupta6864

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂

@Aki-ok4im

18 күн бұрын

That shit happens with me every time so i move on with other language 😏

@ponalvsiki2254

17 күн бұрын

Do you know yield, enum and other weird keywords in Python?

@s3dghost

12 күн бұрын

😂😂😂 I just went through the same thing on my last project..... JavaScript be messing around with you... Even if your code is fine😂😂

"Doesn't have increment operator" just use x +=1💀

@mpp2855

4 күн бұрын

Ew

when he said "JS is the GOAT tier" I knew this video was a joke

@PulcherEtFortis

8 ай бұрын

maybe the standards he uses are regarding usability in today's industry..

@yourmomsboyfriend3337

8 ай бұрын

@@PulcherEtFortisthen JavaScript should be with R and MatLab. At least use something with a type system like Typescript

@luissaumeth8000

7 ай бұрын

@@PulcherEtFortis Then python should be the GOAT, not JS.

@sintexte

4 ай бұрын

@@luissaumeth8000 C++ is the one and only GOAT

@nefarious8278

4 ай бұрын

Comred

The best language is the one that pays your bills.

@marouanesaad6837

10 ай бұрын

And it is python

@16psycho

10 ай бұрын

last answer

@aasastudios5852

10 ай бұрын

asswmbly and c

@F_Du_Sea

9 ай бұрын

@@aasastudios5852 Assembly? You mean compiled C and C++?

@ollivainionpaa684

9 ай бұрын

Body

*GOAT* _apparently_ stands for: *Goofy Ostrich Acting Tough*

@iamapokerface8992

12 күн бұрын

cringe

1-based indexing for mostly mathematical-related problems makes far more sense than 0-based indexing because matrices in mathematical equations always start from row and column 1. 0-based indexing would mean a zillion off-by-one errors. This dude's absolutely never used MATLAB

@Andreizila

10 күн бұрын

he probably doesn't even know what matlab is used for =)

Got it. Programming === "Frontend Development"

@martim1379

Жыл бұрын

1 == "1"

@kaifalarkaifarik8537

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@helloworld2054

Жыл бұрын

That's what every beginner thinks 😂

@martapfahl940

Жыл бұрын

You have very limited knowledge thinking Javascript === „Frontend“. Instead consider Javascript === [Frontend, Backend, Desktop Apps, mobile Apps, …rest] 😅😉

@DorperSystems

Жыл бұрын

@@martapfahl940 please stop using javascript for desktop software

"C might not able to compete with the other modern languages" C *created* most of the modern languages.

@quadroninja2708

Жыл бұрын

In some cases like microcontroller programming C is like the only language among high-level ones that can be used

@marcossidoruk8033

Жыл бұрын

Ikr? Operating systems are still written in C and many high performance libraries too. This guy is clearly a webdev and thus is absolutely clueless in anything computer related, no wonder he doesn't know about systems programming.

@Rismose

Жыл бұрын

@@marcossidoruk8033 even python is written in C

@christophsiebert1213

Жыл бұрын

C basically powers every modern language. Tell me how all the modern languages interface with OS native methods OR how their compilers were written. Right, they are all C. Not putting C in GOAT still under appreciates how much it is still used today.

@OPCC2

Жыл бұрын

This is why I don’t understand when people rank and rate languages like this…. Comparing different tool sets completely.

1-based indexing is the most accurate and mathematical way to functionally program, so R and Julia are the best ways to do data science, no one goes to the library and asks like "Give me the 0 book from the left to right, please" on the shelve, right?

@user-um9te4yn9g

28 күн бұрын

Thanks u explained it in a way i actually understood😂

@Brainles5

Күн бұрын

0 is nothing it should be treated as nothing. People have been brainwashed.

C: Hall of fame JS: GOAT No fucking way

JS is so goat that they have created another language to fix its weird behavior

@adamfattal468

Жыл бұрын

TS?

@lowellthoerner1209

Жыл бұрын

​@@adamfattal468 yes

@gerald3315

Жыл бұрын

and stil it sucks

@pranavkolambkar

Жыл бұрын

Lol 😂

@kerimgueney

Жыл бұрын

That's true for every language lol. What do you think the ++ in C++ stands for?

I think you are Front end dev

@HuntingKingYT

Жыл бұрын

Like me (I'd have the same table)

@abhilashpatel6852

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣 yes, only a front end would say that

@Saverax._33

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@gokikuburi8653

Жыл бұрын

@@HuntingKingYT soyjack front end vs deranged julia analytic enjoyer

@glauberbispo8922

Жыл бұрын

yeah, js is only used in frontend lol we don't have node js for api, or react native for mobile

48K likes ... 40K dislikes I think we all know why

If you use R you USE R, all serious non-industrial stats is done in R and not Python. It’s a niche but essential programming language

@TheAbhimait

6 ай бұрын

I know both R & Python. I am a ml engineer and a full stack developer. R is a God level language for ML. No doubt.

@unhhgcrxexhjvuvujchcrzwzwz7956

5 ай бұрын

That’s interesting. R is definitely my preference for stats stuff but I wouldn’t have thought this

@ryan_singh

5 ай бұрын

R is goated

@liambury529

2 ай бұрын

R is dead bro. Nobody uses it for new projects neither is it even taught anymore. R devs are so bad that GPT couldn't even learn how to use it from comments and forums

@dirtmage8673

Ай бұрын

@@liambury529 R is used extensively in science, specifically biology. It's a requirement for many ecologists.

dont worry guys, his brain is just experiencing a runtime error right now

@pah967

6 ай бұрын

it's an Object, but not the right kind😂

@s_r_bistofficial5797

4 ай бұрын

😂😂

@mukithasan9684

2 ай бұрын

There was an error when returning the information so he got the default answers which was written by some new js developer

@ThisShitWontWor

Ай бұрын

He forgot the try/catch block 😂

@medooazmi

25 күн бұрын

nah i think its just a syntax error somewhere probably console.log(" '); doesn't work well

JavaScript GOAT. Tell me you simp webdev without telling me you simp webdev

@publicalias8172

Жыл бұрын

A totally valid programmer.. definitely.. websites.. yeah.

@ky3ow

Жыл бұрын

I dont even think competent webdev would say js goat, many prefer typescript because its not fun when you search for 1 hr just to realise your colleague forgot to convert string into number at some point of code

@yyyd6559

Жыл бұрын

@@ky3ow js and ts are basically almost the same

@ky3ow

Жыл бұрын

@@yyyd6559 that's why competent human won't say js is greatest when ts exists, its js but better

@yyyd6559

Жыл бұрын

@@ky3ow yeah i think js should be completely replaced by ts

Bro was doing November fools XD 😂

me whos thinking where the hell is c#

Holy shit dude, you put JS above C and Cpp? Whats wrong with you?

@Rodehaas

Жыл бұрын

Front-end web developer 🤷🏻🤣

@KManAbout

Жыл бұрын

Cpp is a garbage tier language. C is clean and will seg fault. Js has garbage old api and solid modern feature making it meh as the only language to manipulate the Dom. Rust is a tier. Golamg is the goat.

@KManAbout

Жыл бұрын

@43_XA_Ashutosh Sononey doesn't make sense to blame JavaScript for that. Whatever js is used for is a developers fault.

@BboyKeny

Жыл бұрын

I like JavaScript but I'm mainly a front-end developer 😋 although I do use TypeScript now. I also like cpp and am learning Rust + WASM

@cazz

Жыл бұрын

@@KManAbout Talk shit about CPP catch hands

bruh forgot to put his favourite html and css on the GOAT tier

@besherkitaz4529

Жыл бұрын

They are not programming languages. But I wouldn't be surprised since I am assumin he's a front-end webdev.

@thequantum-plator

Жыл бұрын

@@besherkitaz4529 that's the joke buddy

@v02dv

11 ай бұрын

@@besherkitaz4529 what's the point? you mean you write code without using anything built into your "non-frontend language", without libraries and other things, maybe in machine code?

@besherkitaz4529

11 ай бұрын

@@v02dv Never said that lol. Never said that I am a fan of low level languages like C or C++. They have their own implementations and specialisations; non of them are of my interest. In fact, I actually code using Python. So I don't see what do you mean by your point.

@v02dv

11 ай бұрын

@@besherkitaz4529 forget it, i just wanted to bait some default freak so that he would brag about how he solved 4kyu problem on codewars that no front could solve and he immediately became the creator of programming himself, i see you are not one of them

Saying matlab is trash is an insult to my years as an engineering student.

@victoryan4008

4 ай бұрын

Don't listen to him brother, Matlab is the best. Code monkeys just don't get it.

Meanwhile scratch: 🗿🗿🗿

@jsh2d

Күн бұрын

for little kids

@Ram_Bhakt0777

19 сағат бұрын

@@jsh2d But still your mom can't code on scratch

Python: confusing garbage JavaScript: 1 + 1 = 2.0000001

@okie9025

8 ай бұрын

Meanwhile python: 1.2 - 1.0 = 0.199999999999996

@redis615

8 ай бұрын

​@@okie9025which is like what 250 000 times more accurate?

@asdfgh3347

7 ай бұрын

That's for all languages,because computer cant use a decimal (if it isnt literally decimal type),thats why there is single and double types,it can only go to a certain level of precision,if you make 1.0+4.0 in c++ it will give somwthing like 5.000001 too P.s. but yes,both python and js are hell abominations that shouldn't ever exist

@marsbars1105

7 ай бұрын

It's because the gold standard for storing decimal numbers in binary that is defined by the IEEE-754 protocol has an inherent limitation due to the nature of base conversion. Take the decimal 10.3 for example. The right-hand side of the decimal (the integer component) can be exactly represented in binary. However, the fractional 0.3 part can only be approximated. (I.e, no finite number of bits can be used to exactly represent 0.3 in binary). Under IEEE-754, floats are given a standard precision of 23 bits for the mantissa or "fractional" part. In other words, 23 bits can be used to approximate 0.3 in binary. The more bits, the better but once again, the exact representation cannot be stored. Think of it like rounding the value of PI to a certain decimal place.

@anti194hex

7 ай бұрын

No?

*Engineers writing Aritifical Intelligence in python* Meanwhile frontend team :

@somusz159

9 ай бұрын

Most of ML is C++, the libraries at least. And the best symbolic ai languages are still Lisp and Prolog.

@wildspray0758

8 ай бұрын

frontend team: garbage 😂

@okie9025

8 ай бұрын

More like "Pseudo-devs using python to glue together code made by real C programmers"

@pranav9339

8 ай бұрын

@@okie9025 Yeah right go ahead and write an ANN on C.

@taskforce_kerim

7 ай бұрын

@@pranav9339most of them are written in C or C++ already. Look at any popular vector database like pgvector and their ANN or kNN implementations. None of them use Python for it

Bro reignited the battle of Python vs JavaScript

"Python is overrated" ChatGPT is laughing at the corner

As a 10 years+ developer, I can say it out loud, JS is pure garbage

@okie9025

8 ай бұрын

you sound 12

@JyuSub

8 ай бұрын

@@okie9025 yep coding since I'm 2 and you?

@okie9025

8 ай бұрын

@@JyuSub you still sound 12 sorry

@Cay9z

8 ай бұрын

​@@okie9025On behalf of your dumbassetry and my astutely conducted research. I have found out that his channel debuted in Late December 2011, contradicting reason for his age being 12. While ironically you are the one with that damned Rainbow cat profile picture. Moreover giving reason for you to be the actual "12 year old"

@ShamarBlygen

8 ай бұрын

You sound like someone with an opinion (how dare you)

Pretty sure he did it on purpose. To get the reaction. Now we are all engaging.

@hanoifilms503

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Although what he said about python is kinda true - it's a lot of copy paste and mixing stuff

@OneDerscoreOneder

Жыл бұрын

@@hanoifilms503 🧢

@iloos7457

Жыл бұрын

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

@MatheusSouzaAlmeida

Жыл бұрын

@@hanoifilms503 You guys don't copy and paste on JS?? What i'm doing wrong?

@normalAlien398

Жыл бұрын

Engaging and "Don't recommend"-ing channel

My favourite moment when JS returns me [object object]

@jonaslamprecht9169

6 ай бұрын

You just don't understand how types and type coersion in JavaScript behave, it never happens to me.

@evinblox

6 ай бұрын

@@jonaslamprecht9169 It doesn't happen to me anymore, I stopped using JavaScript

@cycrothelargeplanet

5 ай бұрын

Can someone explain (I don't speak js)

@eshku

Ай бұрын

@@cycrothelargeplanet I'd have to guess there, as it's been some time since I've seen that happening, but I'd asume that's something you get when trying to output object as a string. (too lazy to test)

@cycrothelargeplanet

Ай бұрын

@@eshku I learnt js, you're right (It only applies if there is no toString method though)

Every language has its purpouse, I don't understand what's the point of ranking them lol.

Bro's a wordpress developer☕️

@Sun_Seeker

Жыл бұрын

💀

@neon0wl2107

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@pabblo1

11 ай бұрын

Doesn't Wordpress use PHP?

@yancgc5098

10 ай бұрын

😭

@nhs.14

8 ай бұрын

@@pabblo1 well he doesn't even understand what he just said, spare him

I love how he provides literally 0 reasons for why JS is GOAT

@kudoailabs

9 ай бұрын

GOATs do not need reason to be, they simply are

@meethepie

8 ай бұрын

@@kudoailabs you're right, JS has no reason to be /s

@Ibloop

7 ай бұрын

@@meethepie bro do you know what youtube uses?

@FakfridSumanko

7 ай бұрын

@@Ibloop Python?

@anti194hex

7 ай бұрын

Why you so mad about it? It his opinion if you want you can make same video but making js garbage and python goat

As someone who's been learning GML, it's a GOAT because I just guessed my third function today

Python being a copy and paste language is the most accurate sentence about coding I’ve ever heard. As a data analyst who uses Python daily, I applaud the analysis

how to trigger an entire community

Alternative title : When you're web developer and you HATE DATA SCIENCE so much 🤣

@ConnerArdman

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t say I hate data science (nor would I really consider myself a web developer), I even considered pursuing DS for a bit… but the few DS classes I had to take at university were painful ngl 😂

@xyamox_trapper

9 ай бұрын

​@@ConnerArdmani feel bad for you bro for trying to give an opinion (allways say its my own opinion maybe you have a diffrent one to avoid hate)

@ConnerArdman

9 ай бұрын

@@xyamox_trapper Thanks, but it doesn't really bother me at all haha. 99% of my comments across my channels are positive. And a lot of that hate that does exist either comes from a place of jealousy, misinformation, or a misinterpretation of my views (which oftentimes is my own fault, like a good portion of the comments on this video). The hate on videos like this tend to help with growth anyways though.

@xyamox_trapper

9 ай бұрын

@@ConnerArdman i hope you dont be sad by seeing those negative kids

@arceuslegend4605

8 ай бұрын

​@@ConnerArdman I taught myself most of the languages in this video, and now I'm waiting for an interview for my first programmer job that is most likely going to be data analysis. Admittedly it IS quite painful (if you think Python is weird for its lack of for() operator, wait till you see numpy that essentially integrates linear algebra into Python but you still can't do linear algebra in Python for technical reasons), but saying it's confusing and then goating JS is some megacope imo

People who agree that every programming language is good for the reason they are made

1-based indexing in R and MATLAB is useful because it matches traditional math notation, making code easier to read for those with a math background. This can simplify translating math/stats concepts into code and reduce cognitive load on math-heavy tasks.

"PHP is the Nickleback of programming languages" **Proceeds to put JS as the goat** 😂 u can tell he's a rookie front-end web developer.

@user-uk9er5vw4c

Жыл бұрын

this is because his probably biased and touched only frontend ... so, whatever

@sasino

Жыл бұрын

JS is also used on the backend with node 💀 what's your point.

@nmanduley

Жыл бұрын

@@sasino Python is also used on the front-end without any additional requirements💀what's your point?

@normanandrians

11 ай бұрын

wait javascript can't be used in the backend? nooo my life was a lie😭😭😭

@nmanduley

11 ай бұрын

@@normanandrians of course you can, just like you could use assembler for front-end and COBOL for back-end. There's no law against doing poor choices on programming language.

CORRECT TIER LIST: Goat: C, C++ Solid: JS, Python

@velialomeli4441

9 ай бұрын

Python: while True: print("yes")

@ollivainionpaa684

9 ай бұрын

Seems fine, one small change tho': Goat: C, C++Hall of Fame: JS Solid: PythonDecent: PHPYou can't just ignore node.js

@darthph0enix302

8 ай бұрын

Facts

@sathviksolleti3108

8 ай бұрын

C'mon Matlab deserves better !

@Dikiydik

8 ай бұрын

@@ollivainionpaa684bro you forgot

NEVER LET THIS BRO COOK AGAIN 💀

Trying to code in Matlab feels like I got a lobotomy

No increment operator, bruh that's such a random thing to nitpick 😂

@Hoenhighn1

Жыл бұрын

And not even true?

@floskater99

Жыл бұрын

@@Hoenhighn1 It is true. +=1 isnt an increment operator, thats just a shorthand for addition . ++ is the usual increment operator that other languages use.

@Hoenhighn1

Жыл бұрын

@@floskater99 no difference

@taragnor

Жыл бұрын

Ever since I learned about iterator for loops, foreach and similar methods, I've found my desire for an increment operator has gone way down. If I had to nitpick something I dislike about Python, it would be the one line lambdas.

@chrisrock219

Жыл бұрын

​@@taragnor Pep 8 makes a pretty strong case that most of those lambdas should be rewritten into proper functions, mostly because these anonymous fns make code harder to debug. My IDE is always on my ass about it. Hopefully over the next few years we'll see a lot less of them around

When you've put R to the bottom tier all Data Scientists are started to hate you

@stopwatcher8930

7 ай бұрын

True. Dude has no respect for bioinformatics.

@yep9620

7 ай бұрын

idk my data science professor trashes on R like everyday

@carlosm.6348

6 ай бұрын

@@yep9620professors don’t have modern experience in the job market a lot of the time

@Alexander20091988

6 ай бұрын

@@carlosm.6348 plus languages like R are niche anyway. they do what the people want them to do in a restricted environment. and its not like there is a huge market to it. this tierlist is kinda crap tbh, no reason to compare something like js to R.

@user-yeasewaasfe

6 ай бұрын

R is analyzer and matlab is simulator I think both of them are not programing language

Am I the only person who agrees with everything on here

Python is too confusing and you put javascript at the goat tier ????

@maxuser1221

11 ай бұрын

He said R is confusing and Python is overrated

"python is confusing" meanwhile, JS: 1 + "1" = 11 1 - "1" = 0

@okie9025

8 ай бұрын

meanwhile python: a = (True, True, True) b = True, True, True print(a == b) # True print((True, True, True) == True, True, True) # (False, True, True)

@albator8159

8 ай бұрын

​@@okie9025are you serious ?

@okie9025

8 ай бұрын

@@albator8159 yes, try it yourself, I was surprised too how badly python handles its own syntax

@adrianv.v.4445

8 ай бұрын

​​@@albator8159It's simply because the comma has the highest priority inside a function call. Therefore, when the two tuples a and b were compared, they were in fact the same; but on the next line, the tuple (True,True,True) doesn't equal True and after that, you are printing two Trues. Definitely less confusing that JS

@yourhonestbro217

7 ай бұрын

​@@okie9025😂😂 What is it

I feel like it’s more depends on what you are using the code for

I cannot believe you'd put JS at the top 😂😂😂

Wow i think it's the first of those language tier lists where I don't agree with a single placement. And nothing is more outraging than putting js on S tier and I'm saying it as a js developer.

@_timestamp

Жыл бұрын

I would put JavaScript in decent/garbage and Typescript in S

@AndrewTSq

Жыл бұрын

You are probably not experienced js dev?

@AndrewTSq

Жыл бұрын

​@@_timestamp typescript is worse than js. Why? Strong typed languages dont belong in 2022. And if you get a bug cause of this its easy to find,

@yodua8193

Жыл бұрын

@@AndrewTSq uhm... No. Strong typed languages are more reliable than others. There is literally NO REASON for someone to change type of variable that is already asigned to something. The only situation that you maybe would need it is parsing, for which you should just create a new variable anyway to keep the code clean.

@AndrewTSq

Жыл бұрын

@@yodua8193 the bugs where you accidently write over a already used variable are easy too find. The bugs you have in a software does not change cause the language is strict or not. In C++ i sometimes convert into the wrong type and it does not work... and those bugs are way harder to find

Doing my boy MATLAB dirty, only language that can do fast Fourier transform in one line, GOATED

@dhupee

Жыл бұрын

he doesnt need fourier transform or laplace coz....front end

@emilianoalvarez4868

Жыл бұрын

Python too, if you import the library 😂

@samuelfischman6949

Жыл бұрын

Fr Matlab gang

@theperfectionist1607

Жыл бұрын

It’s a proprietary garbage language

@saltech2024

Жыл бұрын

Talking in the electrical engineering way

How is the most confusing language oftentimes used as the first language for beginner programmers to learn? The vast majority of the time Python is like reading a book, it's that straightforward to comprehend.

Putting C and C++ in Hall of Fame and JS in the Goat tier (not to mention the Python in solid tier) is like saying I hate wheels but I love bikes.

1-based indexing makes sense for a language that is designed for matrices. 0-based indexing for a matrix would mean that a matrix with a row length of n would cause the final element in that row to have an index of n-1, which is annoying if basically all you're doing is matrix manipulation. I also get the impression that it was designed to be easy to learn for researchers who need to analyze data or do mathematical modeling, but who haven't written code in years.

@spacelem

7 ай бұрын

That's why the majority of languages popular with mathematicians use 1-based indexing (e.g. R, Julia, Matlab, Maple, Mathematica, Maxima, Fortran).

@Nope-w3c

Ай бұрын

@@spacelem yeah because 0-based indexing is nothing but a leaky abstraction.

@futuza

Ай бұрын

Lua would be perfect if it was 0-indexed, but nothing created by mankind can be perfect, so the author had to hold it back somehow.

@ImmortalSpelldagger

23 сағат бұрын

​@@futuza0 based indexing in lua would ruin everything, i do lua code and everything u write makes sense to have 1 based indexing changing it to 0 based indexing would flip the language upside down

I’m so happy I read the comments. Instant relief

PHP needs more love than Python. C++/C > JS

JavaScript doesn’t give TYPE ERRORS

"I never get error in my code" "Really! How?" "Because I use HTML"

JavaScript: "yep String + NaN = 🍌" yeah this sounds goated. Python: "we use for each as the default for loop" OMG SO CONFUSING

@shinyhedgehog3985

Жыл бұрын

"tHeRe Is No iNcReMeNtOr" bohooo Writing +=1 is so hard omggg

@nirokay136

Жыл бұрын

* "==="

@sasino

Жыл бұрын

Python is inferior to JS sorry.

@anstupidguy_bread8884

Жыл бұрын

​@@sasino it is but python easier

@sasino

Жыл бұрын

@@anstupidguy_bread8884 true, but still I recommend beginners to start with JavaScript because then you can easily transition to more productive languages (C, C++, C#, Swift, Kotlin, Dart...), or even use JavaScript in a production environment (for example with Node.Js or TS, or front-end dev)... While Python is mostly used for data science and small scripts and it's hardly a good choice for a giant structured program

Same with python like when it says “indent error: expected 4 spaces but got 3” is so confusing, when I add another space to make 4 spaces it says indent error

You forgot C#

Tell me you are a web developer without telling me you are a web developer

@christophershanklin112

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

Me: Mom, can we have tech lead? Mom: We have tech lead at home. Tech lead at home:

@dy4914

Жыл бұрын

This tier list sucks but don't idolize tech lead. All he does is flexing over not allowing women into the companies he worked in

@bob450v4

11 ай бұрын

@@dy4914I don’t think this is idolizing tech lead I think this is making fun of tech lead. I mean tech lead is a composers looser that has no idea what he is talking about. He lied about working at google for years.

The most bottom means niche but it doesn't mean bad. Most people I met who use them are not programmers like engineers or business analysts. You just can't use it for general purposes.

The first 100% accurate langauge tier list I’ve seen in my life Edit: except javascript should be in solid and python in decent

I’m learning R right now at uni. I really enjoy it with all of the packages you can work with to create data visualizations. It’s awesome how much easier it is to work with data sets in R than a lot of other languages too. But that’s just my opinion.

@timkratz742

Ай бұрын

As somebody who did his Master Thesis pretty much exclusively in R: R as a programming language is confusing and slow. There are always at least three ways to do the same thing: data[,1] vs. data$col vs data[,"col"] or: data[data$col_1 == value,]$col_2 vs data$col_2[data$col_1 == value] vs filter(data, col_1 == value)$col_2 etc. However, if you treat R as an application rather than a language it's extremely powerful. It's like a supercharged and much more versatile version of excel.

@user-rl8to5nc2q

18 күн бұрын

There are at least three ways to do anything in any language

@halecj1

7 күн бұрын

R is great for data analytics and automation. Make sure you put that on your CV.

It makes sense for MATLAB to use 1 based indexing since it is based on Matrices and we start counting the the rows and coulmns from 1 and not 0. For example: a_12, denotes the element of the first row and second coulmn of the Matrix A.

@silverzdk

9 ай бұрын

It would make no sense for matlab to do 0 based indexing.

in python, aren't += and -= incremental operators?

python has numerator... For example for index, value in enumerate(variable): variable[index] = 1 Not that you need it that often, since for by default returns current item from iterated variable. You can use it when you need use prev values to process with current one.

How to trigger every programmer:

Python: Decent JS: gOAt 💀💀

from a math standpoint R is oxygen

Respect for putting Python as Solid while absolutely shitting on it

JS is so great its community has made multiple frameworks to fix its issues and still new ones are coming out regularly

@user-fr2fm3ri3w

Жыл бұрын

Not issues js is for basic tasks while frameworks are used for more specialized applications. JavaScript can be used for everything from websites to web apps to phone apps to desktop apps to severs and without these frameworks it wouldn’t be possible, no other language in history has been able to be used for literally everything .

@UnknownString88

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-fr2fm3ri3w ? Lol

@comedyclub333

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-fr2fm3ri3w Well, while this might be handy sometimes, there's no universal need for a "one size fits all"-language. I can cover all your use cases with e.g. Dart, Python and C++. The need for multiple languages isn't a bad thing in general.

@user-fr2fm3ri3w

Жыл бұрын

@@comedyclub333 didn’t say it was bad but it’s a great skill to have. You can legit make a startup on your own or get hired instantly. I know c java Python and JavaScript with react thanks to uni, I never want to go switch out if JavaScript when making a project the ability to make a full stack application on the same language is huge.

@fawazsullia5620

10 ай бұрын

You can make a full stack app on almost every language.

1-based indexing makes actually a lot of sense for Matlab considering that it’s specifically designed for usage with matrix and vector operations where it makes way more sense to talk about rows and columns starting from 1

@spacelem

7 ай бұрын

I've always found the languages with 1-based indexing (R, Julia, Matlab, Octave, Maple, Mathematica, Maxima, Fortran) seem generally pleasant for doing multi-dimensional array stuff. Maybe 0-based helps if the language provides you literally no tools for the job (C/C++) but otherwise it just feels much more natural.

As someone who made the mistake of getting into coding with C++ I agree that it is very good but hard to pick up.

"Python is overrated" Everyone in the entire global AI/ML community: 😂😂😂

putting JS in GOAT is the most chaotic evil thing I've seen all week

Aint no way dude said python is confusing lmfao

Everyone in comments saying JS is a confusing lang but it's so simple after like 3 months experience and the exceptions are like 100x better than Java or any C languages

I write primarily in JS and Python for work. I fundamentally have no idea what is going on in either as all you have to do is instantiate endless objects. I don't understand how anyone can believe there is a discrepancy between them.

Matlab is for engineering purposes, it has lots of great add ons like simulink, that make it easy to simulate. And how can you not understand for loops in python?

@VenkyBeast

11 ай бұрын

You didn't get what he meant, Python's For-Loop is not like any other langauge's for loop. Python's for loop is more specifically "for each" loop, it's not truly "For" loop. and Python locks you into it's own style of working, You don't have control of behaviour, You will have to adapt to it's own logic, for example, if you want to iterate over numbers, you will have to create array of numbers which you do using range built-in function. Simply put Python uses a generator or lists to loop but it's not same case with others. and that loop counter still exists even after loop is completed.....

@darrengreene8327

11 ай бұрын

@@VenkyBeastIn addition to what you said, Python doesn’t have a true for loop per se (like in other programming languages like C-family, Java etc.) but rather a while loop with exception handling integration within it.

how much you are wrong ? him: YES

Ah yes JavaScript... I hate it and i love it at the same time

Ngl but each time i try c or c++ without a massive application like visual studios, I can never find a working compiler without my computer throwing errors in my face before I begin

R is super specific in it's usage and just not meant for standard programming tasks. It should even be on that list and for it's pupose it performs alright.

I'm studying R for my Data Analytics but for me, R is not a programmer but rather a command line similar to a Linux bash terminal. But it is essential on data analysis.

@Doofus4everGaming

Жыл бұрын

I agree I love R for analytics and Statistics

@yamatocannon1

Жыл бұрын

R and MATLAB don't belong on a list with programming languages bc that's not what they're for. It's like having a hammer tier list and putting a screwdriver in F tier.

@woobilicious.

Жыл бұрын

Lots of languages have a repl, it doesn't exclude it from being a language. Maybe touch up on your terminology lol

@tomroose7733

11 ай бұрын

R is a beautiful language if used in the correct situation. From an engineering point of veiw R is one of the best tools in the tool belt.

Unity uses c# so automatic hall of fame or GOAT tier

1 based indexing is so much better for mathematical programming, and that's literally what MATLAB is built for

first time heard that python not making any sense

@EverRusting

Жыл бұрын

I don't like it because normally I write code then have formatter handle the formatting which is not possible in python because formatting changes how the code works. I don't wanna use a language where formatting changes how it works.

@maximilianm7324

Жыл бұрын

​@@EverRusting just look at black

@AndrewTSq

Жыл бұрын

I agree with him. Pyrhon is the hipster of languages

@nnirr1

Жыл бұрын

Don't get me wrong, python has its fair share of confusing syntax and programmers who don't know what they're doing CAN create some god awful abominations with it. But for the most part it's great and in the right hands it can be extremely readable and intuitive. His criticisms are terrible though and it's clear he has no idea about python. Especially when he then put JS of all things as the GOAT 😂

@AndrewTSq

Жыл бұрын

@@nnirr1 I hardly ever have to use for-loops in JS, so I rate JS over Python any day in that regard. Not to mention that when you use a for-loop in python, its like it disables all cores on your cpu and downclockes the cpu.

The R ecosystem makes the python ecosystem look like childs play when it comes to models. I can't recall how many times i wasn't able to effectively model something in python like a multivariate logistic regression with multiple random effects, and then I look at the R side and bam, there are multiple packages with multiple implementation. The language itself might have some quirks like base 1 indexing (but cmon, that's not a blocker by any means), but the R community puts python's DS community to shame. This is likely because R tends to attract a more seasoned user.

@Zane_Zaminsky

8 ай бұрын

72-year old Data Scientist here. Have been in the game for 40 years. (Statistical Programmer/ Statistician/ Data Scientist). SAS debuted in the late 1970’s. I picked it up in 1983. 40 years later, I still love it. But you are correct. I am attracted to R, and plan on learning it over the coming years. It has definitely gotten my juices flowing. Analogy to chess: SAS is a Rook. R is a Queen.

@FtaBta

6 ай бұрын

R was the first language I learned. Best language I've learned so far for statistical purposes and the packages and community is hands down the best. The second language I learned was Python, and I was continuously frustrated by it compared to R. R for the win any day of the week. Especially for data visualization and data analysis.

As someone who used R for quite a while, it's not geared towards developers but for Statisticians and analysts. To make their life simpler, it uses 1 based indexing which for their intent and purposes is just fine.

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