To clarify: “architect” in this scenario is used metaphorically. Not as in the position of a software architect. Software engineers understand the software as a whole rather than in one specific area. If you are hired as a software engineer, you might only work on the backend but are expected to understand how the entire stack works. Software engineer isn’t a specific role, it’s a description to describe someone who understands an umbrella of things related to programming.

@netoutube

11 ай бұрын

¿more like a contractor?

@homelessrobot

11 ай бұрын

@@netoutube no. a contractor is no more or less like an engineer than a technician. you can recruit a contractor to fill either an engineering or a technican role. in general this whole line of thinking is just a great waste of time, and it really isn't that important who's an engineer and whose a technician. what matters is that you are doing enough cake baking to justify all of the kitchen management you are wasting time on.

@guyhosse3308

11 ай бұрын

As a civil engineer i was appalled you use architect instead of engineer to follow the analogy of a SOFTWARE ENGINEER.

@Entropy67

10 ай бұрын

Software Architects, from what I've seen, are garbage. How you gonna dictate the architecture when you don't even see the implementation? They are intertwined. There are some unreal things that occur when the architecture is taken out of the hands of the people actually writing the code. Which is also why I don't like this distinction. From what you've defined in the video, the difference between programmer and software engineer is that one is professional and the other one is a hobbyist that doesn't really understand what they are doing.

@jontnoneya3404

9 ай бұрын

Now you've done it - you've confused everyone. In trying to clarify programmers from SEs you mention architects and now no one knows what a software architect is.

I went to school to be a software engineer and only job i could find in my area was fixing printers 😅

@fordthecow9838

11 ай бұрын

He's in the panhandle of Oklahoma probably

@FenixAnimation

11 ай бұрын

@@fordthecow9838 southwest Wyoming actually

@getamo

11 ай бұрын

Lol same. Anykey wasn't my dream

@LolLol007

11 ай бұрын

​@@fordthecow9838😂

@thabotheko2598

11 ай бұрын

Me and you bro.

If someone asks me, I just say "highly trained code monkey", I think that clarifies all

@0x007A

10 ай бұрын

Code monkeys are the copy-and-paste wannabes. They are a plague upon the profession. It has gotten worse with the arrival of ChatGPT and brethren.

@andyangel9818

7 ай бұрын

I think is for the best, anything higher that that is very stressful and I don t think is worth it dude

@MikoYae

Ай бұрын

@@andyangel9818i wholefully agree with this

@nathaaaaaa

23 күн бұрын

The stronger ape among the apes

But of course, printer fixing is a skill that all of us learn by environment pressure

@user2C47

9 ай бұрын

That's a big nope from me. The MFP is a big black box. If it breaks, call the mfg. We have that contract for a reason. I'll continue to use my indestructible daisywheel from the 80s.

@___idk

7 ай бұрын

lol even as a student needs to learn how to fix basic issues of printer when having many schoolworks

@ashtinpeaks9972

5 ай бұрын

​@@___idk 90% colleges have a lab you can print shit out lmao.

@Tlion2102

4 ай бұрын

I am a technical engineer so that is something well I am trained to fix. I think everyone should do a year of technical support, like you just understand how to use your IT equipment then you can actually do work

Ah no wonder I wasn’t landing any interviews… I kept calling myself a “Developer” 😀

@CodingWithLewis

11 ай бұрын

If you reinstall Windows, HR thinks you’re a software engineer

@kumarraj197

11 ай бұрын

@@earthblob2058 lol XD

@cyberneticbutterfly8506

11 ай бұрын

​@@CodingWithLewis Seems like it's the HR positions that are in need of an overhaul. Only licensed software-HR staff with 8 years of education and a PHD in information systems are allowed to hire or fire software developers from now on. By my declaration!

@speedyfox9080

11 ай бұрын

Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers!

@christopheroliver148

10 ай бұрын

@@speedyfox9080 Calm down, Mr. Balmer!

Reminder: lots of companies will use these interchangeably.

@tinahalder8416

11 ай бұрын

I am System Analyst, need to everything a Software Engineer does but in lower level 🙃

@punchkitten874

11 ай бұрын

Cause there's only so many adjectives you can put in front of "programmer" (chief, lead, assistant, etc)

@conundrum2u

Ай бұрын

​@@tinahalder8416SAs and BSAs do really important work, actually. Unfortunately not a lot of managers push to have people with that role on teams these days.

Here in Brazil we can translate as: the first one does exactly the same as the second one, but is paid half the money.

@davibassani16

10 ай бұрын

Então, cara... Bem assim hahahahaha

@wolfcraft4501

6 ай бұрын

I’ve heard this exact same clarification be used with “Coder” in the place of programmer here and “Programmer” in the place of software engineer here.

I am a Software engineer. It kinda gets merky in companies nowadays. Rarely have people who just write code, if you can write code you can probably also design one to some extent. But there will be people who have more strength in coding than designing or vice versa. The lower you're in the seniority level, the less designing you usually do. Mostly when you're joining a company your title will simply be a reflection of your education, engineers,developers,programmers they'll do the same job.

@Adomas_B

11 ай бұрын

General engineer and managing programmer of the grand committee of software developerment

@gillsejusbates6938

10 ай бұрын

no you are a developper

@abykuruvilla

10 ай бұрын

@@gillsejusbates6938I take care of the end to end life cycle. Also by job title I am a Software Development Engineer.

@RealDrTaco

8 ай бұрын

I am in my 2nd year of my 1st job out of college. I am a fully fledged software engineer who has to design and develop software applications. I also do database stuff and write automation scripts for various uses.

@abykuruvilla

8 ай бұрын

@@RealDrTaco This is a very small startup?

Programmer, developer, software engineer are the same job, only seniority level that decide your responsibility. Meanwhile I had to to do all the things since fresher level

When I tell people I can code in x language they automatically think I’m good with computers and can fix any issues related to hardware 😭

@plyjhny

7 ай бұрын

People always seem to confuse IT with Dev. Totally different. One is like a car mechanic, the other is like car engineer

@twothreeoneoneseventwoonefour5

7 ай бұрын

@@plyjhny Car engineer can probably fix cars though as they know everything about them so much to create them (different, higher level of expertise). People who write code usually don't know about system administration on the high level though. But I mean, if you tell someone that you can code in C++ or Rust, you ARE probably "good with computers"(from normal people's perspective), can reinstall their Windows or fix the "why this web page doesn't open (vpn)" or "how can I open this video file".

@plyjhny

7 ай бұрын

I dont think your average car engineer could fix most cars quick enough to make it profitiable. Example, I can create great food but I dont know the first thing about being a chef. Also, yes a dev probably could setup Windows, or a VPN. Not quickly tho. But your average Dev is not going to be able to manage system administration, technical support, network security. They might understand it, but would be very very inefficient @@twothreeoneoneseventwoonefour5

@EJD339

Ай бұрын

@@plyjhnyand people confuse IT with people who know how to program lol.

Honestly feels like a contrived distinction.

@SiimKoger

9 ай бұрын

I like to use terms: Developer - anyone who is coding as a profession. Engineer - people who work on low-level stuff and libraries (people with depth of domain knowledge) Architect - big picture. Same as in physical world you have Builders - the ones who use already accepted good standards. Engineers - who make sure that the technologies actually work. Architects - design/price/ideation

@Cranked1

8 ай бұрын

@@SiimKoger your definitions are worse than the already bad definition in the video. that's not what these roles mean in the industry

@ilikestuff8218

3 ай бұрын

Computer Science to other Tech Degrees is like Mechanical Engineering to other Engineering Degrees. Just like Mechanical Engineering can do Electrical, Chemical, Civil, Biomedical, Nuclear and other Engineering. Computer Science can do Information Technology, Software Engineering, Networking, Cyber Security, Data Analytics and other Tech Jobs.

@luisalexleite

6 күн бұрын

​@@SiimKoger Where I live, the "software engineer" role is related to people that work on higher level stuff like low-code or no code.

Independent full-stack developers: 👁️👄👁️

That's like saying there is a difference between a writer and an author, that one just writes words and the other develops a plot. There is no such thing as someone that "just writes code" but doesn't have an understanding of what they write as a whole.

Class SoftwareEngineer(Programmer): ....

@prodbykelvin7508

7 ай бұрын

Haha 😂

I have called myself both. They are the same. No difference. Software engineer is what you tell your parents because it sounds better.

@msc8382

10 ай бұрын

Unless you apply engineering principles, you're not an engineer. Programmers perform programming, and are not by definition required to follow engineering principles. In my country, calling yourself engineer is only justified by having a formal title from graduating from an engineering course of at least 4 years from a government acknowledged university. Technically speaking, you'd be committing fraud if you do not apply engineering principles but call yourself an engineer. Practically speaking I don't care. I've met people who call themselves engineer and can't even do engineering basics. Its very hard to take someone like that serious. It always feels like you have to spell out the consequences that are obvious. On the other hard, I've met programmer's who are better than seasoned engineers because they can ask the right questions so its almost like you can just follow along neatly. That's exciting.

@sorvex9

Ай бұрын

@@msc8382Nobody cares about your opinion

@systemhalifax1241

Ай бұрын

@@msc8382nah, they’re still software engineers because they deal with software. No need to think hard for it.

But here it comes the AI that can do every Job at the same time without needing the help of any person

Where I live software engineer is a protected title that requires you to go to university and study some science classes like chemistry, math and physic. It goes on top of actual software design, maintenance and testing classes. Once you’re done you also need to register to the order pf engineers or you can’t legally wear the title. Without it you can only call yourself a programmer or developper.

@tanjeeschuan4999

11 ай бұрын

Germany?

@calapout

11 ай бұрын

@@tanjeeschuan4999 No, canada. I'm not sure it applies for the whole country, but it does in the province of quebec at least. every province has it's own order of engineers that decide the required criteria to be admissible. Calling yourself an engineer here without being member of an order could result in a fine.

@StarryNightSky587

2 ай бұрын

@@tanjeeschuan4999 germany does not give a single sh*t, as long as you have 2 hands and ever saw a computer before, they will hire you

Thx for this vague explanation. Based on it, there's nearly no difference :3

You just explained the difference between a software engineer and a software architect

@CodingWithLewis

11 ай бұрын

Not true. A software engineer is a general area where you work on the entire stack of software in one way or another. This could be through software architecture (which is a more specialized role). A programmer, is more specifically working on a piece of the software rather than the higher picture.

@brinckau

11 ай бұрын

I am a programmer who can do lots of things, but I would not call myself a software engineer, because I don't have the theoretical knowledge to be one.

@isvogor

11 ай бұрын

@@CodingWithLewis Yep, true. In fact programmer is just a colloquial term. In my career so far I have never had a collegue that finished a "programming" school or had a title "programmer". The point you are trying to make is non-existing, and you are just referring to junior positions or internships. Software engineers by training get the knowledge you address, but to do architecture, by your own words, you are an architect. EOD

@leroypowell-louis499

11 ай бұрын

Again. Reminder. They are both Software Engineers because they both fucking deal with Software. It just like surgeons, opticians, gynecologist are all Doctors 🥼.

@brinckau

11 ай бұрын

@@leroypowell-louis499 They are all doctors, but not interchangeable. You don't want to see a gynecologist if you have an eye problem. If I wrote a "Hello, World" program, then I indeed programmed a computer, which makes me a programmer. Not the best programmer, but a programmer. But does it make me an engineer? I don't think so.

An architects dream is an engineers nightmare

Not all software engineers do software architecture.

Okay, so it's basically just a different name, because if you build something, you have to do plan it regardless, at some level.

FF: In Canada, there's a pretty big difference. The title "Engineer" is strictly regulated. If you're a Software Engineer in Canada, you're an _actual_ Professional Engineer, meaning you obtained an Engineering degree, Completed the necessary work experience, and passed the Professional Practice Exam. A programmer in Canada, is someone who programs.

In France, being an 'Engineer' is a title like Professor or Doctor. You earned it after graduating from an engineering school. Computer science is the only area where the 'Engineer' title is used interchangeably because companies do so. Therefore, people with no engineering xp call themselves software Engineer. It's like the word has lost its prestige since it's usually harder to complete an engineering school, so people putting in the effort to complete those might not even be recognized to their true value. People shouldn't not call themselves Engineer if they are not. But then again, it's just a title, you can find more competent people that haven't done engineering school

@ridabrahim7604

4 ай бұрын

in France people are more about titles than actual skills, it's the bragging culture over there, this comes from early ages since french people wore wigs and did makeup 😂, there is no prestige in 2024 only who can get shit done, life rewards the hard workers

I simply have an interest in coding for doing competitive programming but I still get called to fix printers, fridges and even water filters 💀💀 (I'm a high school student who recently passed out)

@CodingWithLewis

11 ай бұрын

Water filters 😂😂

@remot1

11 ай бұрын

"Sorry, I can't help you fix the water filter" "But- But- You code-"

@shankhathefirst

11 ай бұрын

@@remot1 It goes more like; "Sorry, I won't be able to fix your water filter" "Wdym you won't be able to? You do stuff with computers all the time right. What use is your internet connection?" *tinkers around with the filter and either it gets fixed by itself OR just say a random issue and tell them to get a specialist to replace the filtering unit because I'm famously bad with handling stuff 😎*

@getamo

11 ай бұрын

Damn passed out sounds scary. Are u ok? 😂

@shankhathefirst

11 ай бұрын

@@getamo passed out as in high school pass out 😅

It used to be about discipline. Engineers have standards, write unit tests, document, strive for the software to have a life beyond them. Programmers used to be specialized typists. Today technically very little difference between the two, unless you are and IEEE guy.

"None of these jobs r qualified to fix your printer." got me. lol

Bro I had a help desk job in the military for a few years and I STILL wasn't qualified to fix a printer. Repairs and maintenance were contracted out so we couldn't touch anything.

Nobody can fix printers. Back in the day those things became sentient and hate every one of us.

I like the analogy comparing them to builders and architects.

Can you make a video about IT Engineer vs. Printer Engineer ?

I posit 90% of software engineers are strictly programmers with a "more impressive" job title. A systems analyst used to perform the roles now labeled programmer and software engineer, plus they had the additional responsibility of the modern-day business systems analyst bridging the business and technology concerns within an organization.

A software engineer is usually not a software architect, but a software architect is always a software engineer.

The final hahahaha! Really good explanation!

The End was personal 😂

First time I disagree. For hyped word “architecture” we have Cloud Crew. They are amazing guys for sure, they do “highly loaded systems” - clusterization, load balancing and so on but they don’t know what’s going on with micro services, databases and Elastic configurations which I’m in charge of, not as proficient in Java and overall it’s just a different specific role in the IT sphere. With that being said theirs tasks doesn’t make them “software engineers” and me just a “programmer”

I always thought of it as: A developer uses a language/framework/library and a software engineer made those languages/frameworks/libraries.

@arjix8738

11 ай бұрын

nah, making a framework/library ain't that hard to be honest you just need a few years of experience

@user-jk5bg6mh5q

15 күн бұрын

@@arjix8738 Not even a few years tbh. Also before i say anything im referring to webdevelopment and webdev only. If you look how a framework works behind the scenes, you'll realise that it's actually just a bunch of objects smashed together with functions that you've been using all along. It's not as complicated as people describe it to be. However it'll still take a very long time to make one just by yourself lol

Here in Australia they are both the same, we call it software developer too

Smaky roast at the end))

please add subtitles if possible because sometimes people are watching this videos at outdoor or their headphone's battery went negative like me :D

Underrated channel

As someone whos been doing tech support for over 10 years it is going to feel SOO good just throwing things over the way and feigning ignorance. "Printer? Oh you must need the help desk. Theyre 6 cubes over, thanks."

Fact: in some companies, they really create a level ladder based on these terms. Developer is for inter, fresher, and junior, while Engineer will be for middle and senior. For engineer, they will require more than coding skills, you will need things like clean code, optimizing systems, and giving out software solutions for the task, in some cases, knowledge in networking, server and computer hardware, or even low-level coding or no code are also needed.

1:39:00 a better way of doing that is “if touched wall” “multiply x by -1” js

In the late '80's, my relative was in charge of an international project to take an existing American industrial inventory program and bring to European markets. This is pre-EU, so the program had to be rewritten for each individual country according to their existing systems and laws. His title? Chief Programmer. I think he would consider "software engineer" to be much the same as "sanitation engineer" - y'know, if it makes you feel better... 🤷

There's no difference in a company if you are a software developer or engineer, you will be expected to work the same way because your product owner doesn't even know wtf the difference is anyways. So just call yourself a software engineer. Heck I work as a DevOps engineer, and I do only 20% things on pipelines and servers, most other stuff are toolings and likely could be done by a software engineer/dev.

To me a Software Engineer is a developer/programmer that has proper education for it. I don't think ill ever be able to call myself one because i'll mostlikely be forever self taught, even if im a professional.

@jeremywindfield2658

9 ай бұрын

I don’t know man, I’m also self taught yet I’m working amongst devs that have degrees and I am at the same level if not a higher level than them, I’ll just call myself a Software Engineer

Most Job hirings in my country, refer programmers and software engineers as Developers. Funny how they even specified Laravel Backend Developer and yet the job requirements still states about more of a frontend such as JQuery, React, Angular, WordPress lol

I'm pretty sure this is how you end up with teams making choices like: Let's make the fresh out-of-school junior engineer rewrite the entire legacy tech monolith from scratch with all of the state-of-the-art methods & best practices he learned in school. He's probably much more qualified than the senior programmers we have with years of experience with our legacy stack

"Im a pro gamer"

Beatmaker and a producer.

Computer Science to other Tech Degrees is like Mechanical Engineering to other Engineering Degrees. Just like Mechanical Engineering can do Electrical, Chemical, Civil, Biomedical, Nuclear and other Engineering. Computer Science can do Information Technology, Software Engineering, Networking, Cyber Security, Data Analytics and other Tech Jobs.

Thanks for perfect & simple explanation

I know no one whose job is only to program. Not even the interns or the trainees who just came today. We all need a varied set of skills, not only programming.

Software engineer and programmers are interchangeable at lower level tasks like building simple consumer or buisness application. they split apart, if the problem solves by the software gets more complex.

A solution Architect and a Software Engineer are not overlapping

Professional Google searcher is a good summary for both.

And then, there's Quality Assurance who make the software engineers and programmers lives a living hell.

Yes! I could relate! My friends want me to fix their AC or Washing Machine.

software engineer need to do the hard work and understand all about the app like they even build the whole framework if they need that is why it's so hard to be a software engineer

Every man in IT fears printer issues.

Im an IT and CS graduate with a focus on CISCO networking, databases, and programming. But I also have a printing and design shop business, and yes the printer joke hits hard 😅

My only flex is that I understood the architecture in reel

That is called a software architect 😂

So software engineers are just a fancy title for people who program a little bit more than programmers

I like the definition, in this way I feel smarter

i think a better analogy would be programmers are construction, software engineers are engineers, and ui/ux designers are the architect

I'm a SE and I don't do any code. Instead I'm: -Doing performance analysis in customer systems -Analyzing error logs in customer systems -Checking configurations on business process related parameters in customer system -Do sizing review for customers -Analyzing their business processes and compare them to the best practices and capabilities of the system -Run volume test in test systems of the customer -Supporting Go-Live activities -Discussing issues with the development ...and so on.

yes, these distinctions are kinda mixed up. Kinda like driver chauffeur.

Each company uses different titles for these attributions. What you described as "software engineer" are "software architects" in some companies, and what you describe as "programmer" is simply a low seniority software engineer in most compabies.

The end 😂😂😂😂

huge difference! same with developers. I feel disrespected when I get called a developer/programmer. LOL

@Synthwave89

10 ай бұрын

Why?

I have my final exam in two weeks. The English translation of my qualification according to DeepL is "IT specialist for application development" - so I'm not a programmer nor a software engineer lol 😂

Then your neighbor ask you to fix their broken Refrigerator. hahahaha

Programming is the skill, engineer is a position. Also not every "engineer" is automatically better than every "programmer". In general building a new library that solves a new problem requires A LOT more domain knowledge than creating a microservice based webapp after watching 12 hours of web dev content. I like to use terms: Developer - anyone who is coding as a profession. Engineer - people who work on low-level stuff and libraries (people with depth of domain knowledge) Architect - big picture. Same as in physical world you have Builders - the ones who use already accepted good standards. Engineers - who make sure that the technologies actually work. Architects - design/price/ideation

Yeah, I'm a programmer, and glad to be. Programming is a creative process, and staring at code until the solution appears in my head is what I do. If everything is determined beforehand by a software engineer, then I would just be a data entry automaton.

Ah yes, the code monkeys came up with a new label for themselves. Finished learning SOLID?

Haha... i went to support first so i know how yo fix the printer 😅😂

This is basically the difference between a senior level engineer vs a junior level. There is a reason why senior level focuses more on system design as opposed to leetcode. Also, on a daily level, software engineers tend to focus on feature or story level problems. Architecture is more on the planning level, higher scope problems

The titles are arbitrary and depend on the company. Where I've worked, software engineers represent a depth of knowledge of a particular system or tech stack and architects represent a breadth of knowledge across various systems or tech stacks. An architect may work with many different teams on implementing a new system within a company expected to work across different divisions. An engineer from each of those teams is expected to be a knowledge expert on their system and determine how their system will integrate with the newly developed system. Programmers/developers just code what these people have designed for them.

Some people ask me to fix their home appliances too

. Software engineer: Analysing , designing , coding , testing , evolving. . Programmer : coding. . Analysing is knowing what you are gonna build and all the details about what it includes and supposed to do . . Designing is writing the architecture of this application in terms of statics case of use and functions (using UML for example) . Coding is coding . Testing is literally testing your project so far . evolving is by fixing those errors or adding new features each of these has its rules and tools and requires specific skills, Analysing needs some good communication skills Designing needs good knowledge about IT and coding things, like networks and oops .. Coding needs what it needs ....

Pls make computer science vs information technology vs computer engineer

A software engineer is a programmer that works for a company, a programmer is someone that loves using software engineering to solve problems, that's my realistic opinion from what i do and what i know.

What is the software he uses in those diagrams? Pretty cool !

A developer is someone who uses a framework. A engineer is someone that implements software from scratch that is designed by an achitect. A architect designs and implements software. So you are describing a architect not a engineer.

If they write good code they are a programmer, bad code is a software engineer or a manager

I get the same confusion of terms by people I'm a chippy ( carpenter ) people then ask which chip shop do I work at😅

just commenting so that yt algo shows me this type of comments

I was confused btw what I should become a programmer or a software engineer. Well thanks for telling the difference. I will become a printer ;)

I'm a Sr. Solutions Architect at FANG, and I approved this message.

The competition today is so high that only software engineers are expected to exist. The days of being a coder are long gone. It is not longer a Job to be a coder, but a tool for your job.

IT mean Infinite Talent😂

I'm an embedded software engineer and we program multifunctional printers, technically I can fix printers :P

We've heard about programmers and architects but have you heard about software demolishers, that's right our job is to bring down the entire structure with one code commitment

Software Engineer and Developer are the same. Being a Computer Programmer just means you can write Hello World in Python lol.

well that means i am a software engineer

This makes me think that I am studying a software engineering degree for nothing, everyone calls themselves software engineers without having those studies.

My dad is a software engineer.

For me it mostly manifested in terms of uncertainty. Easiest sh*t was FE Dev, where you get 100% predesigned stuff and the project/framework are decided for you, all the way to Full-Stack Multiwizard where you will do everything and anything from ETL python to "why is the button 10px to the right", also why are the 300 other endpoints not ready for a project where we only even know half of what is to be.