Probably Rome's Furthest Expedition

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Did Romans travel all the way to China, through Vietnam? I reckon so.
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  • @StefanMilo
    @StefanMilo2 ай бұрын

    Not my usual topic this week but just felt like talking about it whilst I was in Vietnam. Next week I have a certified banger for you, "Humanity 1,000,000 years ago". You're going to love it!

  • @MotoHikes

    @MotoHikes

    2 ай бұрын

    That's one way to write off the holiday as an expense! Great video as always though. Hope you have a great time in Vietnam!

  • @VeniVdVici

    @VeniVdVici

    2 ай бұрын

    There is a roman amphora at the sabah state history museum in borneo. IIRC they aren't entirely sure how it got there. Might tickle your interest.

  • @marythomas1198

    @marythomas1198

    2 ай бұрын

    We don't deserve you, Sir. 😪

  • @1234567marks

    @1234567marks

    2 ай бұрын

    Which body are you using for banger certification Stefan?

  • @Madferreiro

    @Madferreiro

    2 ай бұрын

    Wow, great vid. Thank you so much Stef!

  • @antranxuan6683
    @antranxuan66832 ай бұрын

    hey Stefan, it's An, thank you so much for the shoutout in your video! I'm truly honored to have contributed to your amazing video, cheers, mate!

  • @willmosse3684

    @willmosse3684

    2 ай бұрын

    That was your article? Nice!

  • @antranxuan6683

    @antranxuan6683

    2 ай бұрын

    @@willmosse3684 no, it was all Stefan's, I just simply helped him on what, where to go when he was in Viet Nam.

  • @Bogwedgle
    @Bogwedgle2 ай бұрын

    I do wanna say, just because the tributes weren't considered all that valuable by the Chinese doesn't mean they weren't considered valuable by the Romans, or even that they weren't that valuable because this was the first journey of its kind and an empire at war isn't gonna load chests of gold it needs to pay its armies onto a ship to send to the other side of the world with no guarantee it will get there or even really Can get there. The chances of success for a voyage like that with Roman era ships would not be high.

  • @westenicho

    @westenicho

    2 ай бұрын

    Ships had been crossing the Indian Ocean from India to the Red Sea for thousands of years by the Roman Empire period. It's well documented, the trip took almost a year due to tradewind patterns.

  • @neinotter

    @neinotter

    2 ай бұрын

    Also, the Romans may have actually been trying to preserve hard currency by seeing if the Chinese wanted anything else. Rome tried to ban silk at a point, because they were trading finite silver for renewable silk, which isn't a great economic position to be in.

  • @wolfgangBuonarotti

    @wolfgangBuonarotti

    2 ай бұрын

    the use of tri-remes or w/e other mediterranean ship types lkikely would have ended before reaching the red sea, no? i mean, is there evidence for roman ships outside the Med?

  • @puraLusa

    @puraLusa

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@wolfgangBuonarottiyes, there is.

  • @westenicho

    @westenicho

    2 ай бұрын

    @@wolfgangBuonarotti triremes were military vessels, not trade vessels. the vessels used to make trade missions between India and Egypt would've been locally crafted in the Red Sea and India as they knew the craft of making a seaworthy ship for the job. Rope manufacturing was a major trade along the Red Sea as well, and one of the earliest recorded trades in the region, which is how we know that they were conducting trade via boat for thousands of years before the Romans. It's not a question that Romans were trading in the far-east, but as far as a full-blown expedition is concerned, it's far less clear. First century Romans were at least aware of the Spice Islands, and Roman coins have been found in Java, which suggests Roman traders likely enjoyed some amount of trade before the empire began to decline.

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    @leonardpriestley68222 ай бұрын

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    @thexanderthemander

    2 ай бұрын

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  • @marctestarossa

    @marctestarossa

    Ай бұрын

    Stefan, please overthink your sponsorships

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    @guillervz

    Ай бұрын

    I'm not familiar with that website - could you explain why it's so bad? I'm just curious

  • @marctestarossa

    @marctestarossa

    Ай бұрын

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    @leonardpriestley6822

    Ай бұрын

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  • @georgevivaldi
    @georgevivaldi2 ай бұрын

    Oh look, my best friend Stefan just sent me a video from his trip.

  • @slimtim9570

    @slimtim9570

    2 ай бұрын

    Imagine if he set up a hotline to send us his videos with detailed friendly texts

  • @Liliphant_

    @Liliphant_

    2 ай бұрын

    @slimtim9570 least parasocial viewer

  • @rudynathan8852

    @rudynathan8852

    2 ай бұрын

    He is taken as a best friend by me, beat it

  • @mushroomsamba82
    @mushroomsamba822 ай бұрын

    Man, it must have been a bitch to have to walk all the way from Rome to China while wearing all that armor.

  • @propagandalf123

    @propagandalf123

    2 ай бұрын

    Its not that heavy. I have a suit of roman armour, if it weren't for the looks, I'd wear it everyday. Good protection against getting stabbed at the train station

  • @Mattdewit

    @Mattdewit

    2 ай бұрын

    BOAT

  • @SnakeBush

    @SnakeBush

    2 ай бұрын

    Dude horse 9

  • @Shmingleshmangle

    @Shmingleshmangle

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@propagandalf123Do you live in London by any chance?

  • @propagandalf123

    @propagandalf123

    2 ай бұрын

    @@ShmingleshmangleNo, I am German. We have it equally as bad as you brits, maybe even worse

  • @user-bn6kh4pt6t
    @user-bn6kh4pt6t2 ай бұрын

    From a middle school teacher at an international school in Vietnam - thanks for this content! Will make for an interesting (and relevant!) critical thinking activity during my 7th graders' Rome unit!

  • @chrisball3778
    @chrisball37782 ай бұрын

    Speculating here, but presumably elephant tusks and rhino horns would have been very valuable in Rome, since they would have had to mainly come all the way from sub-Saharan Africa. But Han China most likely still had its own rhinos and elephants in the 2nd century CE, meaning that their horns and tusks would be comparatively more common and less expensive. But the Romans would not necessarily have known this. The gifts being seen as not particularly valuable by the Chinese might be a result of the differing value placed on them by China and Rome. Maybe Marcus Aurelius accidentally bought Huan presents he already had plenty of at home.

  • @Googledeservestodie

    @Googledeservestodie

    2 ай бұрын

    I was about to say the same thing. What was impressive in the West at the time was pretty normal in China. Ibn Battuta the Islamic scholar roads that every man in China where is fine silk so the country must be super rich, which is kind of was but to Chinese people silkworms weren't uncommon or hard to raise like where Battuta was from.

  • @Byronic19134

    @Byronic19134

    2 ай бұрын

    I’m speculating here because I can’t recall my past life as Marcus Aurelius but I imagine that China just had a big ego feeling like they had the best everything so would be underwhelmed by most outside gifts of the time.

  • @briangarrow448

    @briangarrow448

    2 ай бұрын

    I thought the same thing about this! This would make a great movie if done right.

  • @noneoftheabove666

    @noneoftheabove666

    2 ай бұрын

    Rhinos and Elephants are present in India and SE Asia as well. Maybe Romans just picked up something on their way to China as they didn't want to go empty handed😅

  • @douglasfur3808

    @douglasfur3808

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@noneoftheabove666 My thoughts too. None of these are particularly Roman. On a long trip with low odds of getting through why invest in goods and drag them all that way? Instead, once you're close and it looks like you'll make it, you spend some of your gold coins on gifts. Faced with "what do you get the man who has everything" you buy what looks novel or exotic to your Roman eyes.

  • @jorehir
    @jorehir2 ай бұрын

    Not only the Romans were used to sailing very far, but they had permanent outposts in India. So, it's not absurd that a few merchants decided to have a look in East Asia.

  • @mpetersen6

    @mpetersen6

    2 ай бұрын

    Entirely possible. IMO more likely as either passengers on a trading vessel or they charted a trading vessel. That vessel could have originated in either India or SE Asia. The spice merchants along the Malabar Coast knew they had a good thing going. They were getting rich buying cheap and selling high. The last thing they wanted was the Roman's or their agents finding a way of going to the source. In the 1600s when the Dutch started sending fleets to the "Indies" they ould lose every ship in the fleet except one that got back and still make a fortune.

  • @challalla
    @challalla2 ай бұрын

    Just to nitpick, Okinawa didn't become part of Japan until the 19th century, so calling it Japan at an earlier period is a tad anachronistic, like referring to Roman-era Constantinople as Turkey. Edited to add: I should clarify since some people have misunderstood my point. I'm happy to talk about ancient Japan even before any states existed there, e.g. paleolithic Japan. But Okinawa is geographically separate from the main islands of Japan, lying roughly halfway between Taiwan and Kyushu, the southernmost of the main islands of Japan. And Okinawa was historically the centre of the maritime kingdom of Ryukyu, which was a separate state that established diplomatic relations with Japan, Korea, and China. It is linguistically separate, home to Okinawan and other Ryukyuan languages which are distantly related to but not mutually intelligible with Japanese. Because of all this, historians of the region treat Ryukyu as its own thing and don't refer to premodern Okinawa as Japan.

  • @ktiemz

    @ktiemz

    2 ай бұрын

    wow such big brain. you must be fun at parties.

  • @ronangelox

    @ronangelox

    2 ай бұрын

    He wasn't calling it Japan "at an earlier period". He was merely stating the location where the archaeologists found it. The ruins are located at Okinawa, Japan.

  • @challalla

    @challalla

    2 ай бұрын

    @@ronangelox He called it a Japanese castle, which is a bit like calling the Hagia Sophia a Turkish building. Correct in a way, but misleading. Even geographically, it's not very satisfactory since Okinawa isn't part of the main islands of Japan. It's like calling the moai Chilean statues because Easter Island is today part of Chile.

  • @reeyees50

    @reeyees50

    2 ай бұрын

    Obviously he calls it Japan because thats what be called for most of its history. Just like Egypt

  • @challalla

    @challalla

    2 ай бұрын

    @@reeyees50 No, Okinawa was not a part of Japan before the 19th century, any more than Corsica was a part of France before the 18th century or Kaliningrad was a part of Russia before the 20th century. It was the centre of its own kingdom, Ryukyu, situated between Japan and Taiwan. Ryukyu was always seen as foreign to the Japanese before it was annexed to Japan in the 19th century, with its own language and culture. Historians treat Ryukyu as separate from Japan. I'm not faulting anyone for not being familiar with the history and just assuming it's always been part of Japan, but I think viewers of this channel would be interested in getting this right.

  • @Pedro-A-88
    @Pedro-A-882 ай бұрын

    This channel is such a gem. Lucky to have found it recently. I have been going through your older videos and you definitely have a unique way of humanizing history.

  • @DanielleGlick
    @DanielleGlick2 ай бұрын

    And if those ambassadors never made it back to Rome, that could be another reason why Rome maybe never even wrote about it. I imagine they weren't too keen to detail presumed failed expeditions, especially if they only sent a few somewhat unimportant people to do it. I often wonder when ancient rulers sent people out to explore, how long did they wait for them to come back before assuming it was a failed mission? And how many of them actually made it to their destination, but just not all the way back home to tell anyone? This reminds me of the story of an African king who sent a fleet out into the Atlantic Ocean and never returned, but possibly discovered South America and left evidence on an island along the way. Might be another good video topic for you!

  • @charleshash4919

    @charleshash4919

    2 ай бұрын

    Possible origin of the Olmecs?

  • @danielvanhuizen1253

    @danielvanhuizen1253

    2 ай бұрын

    That story would be about the predecessor of mansa musa, which most historians think was mansa muhammad ibn qu. He lived around 1300 ad. The olmec civilazation started around 1500 BC and in 4000 bc there were already agrarian settlements. Its also a pretty racist pseudoscientific theory to believe

  • @DanielleGlick

    @DanielleGlick

    2 ай бұрын

    @@danielvanhuizen1253 Mansa Muhammad sounds like the one I was thinking of, but I thought it was speculated they might have made it to Brazil or thereabouts. It's been a while since I heard the story in some videos, so my memory is foggy.

  • @Pax.Alotin

    @Pax.Alotin

    2 ай бұрын

    *History repeating ?* Romans wishing to possibly find an 'alternate' route to the east -- - ends up being repeated over a thousand years later by Christopher Columbus. *Now just imagine the Romans leaving the Mediterranean & striking west across the Atlantic ?*

  • @akai4942

    @akai4942

    2 ай бұрын

    @@charleshash4919 Sure, some -hypothetical- african castaways from the XIV century somehow appeared in neolithic north america, and they alone, a bunch of men with no communication with any metropoli, made an entire civilization. In the past. In a continent far away from their home. And leaving no trace in the closer lands. I'd sooner believe the aliens built the pyramids. At least it doesn't involve time travel.

  • @Mattdewit
    @Mattdewit2 ай бұрын

    Since the time of Augustus the Romans had trade contact with Southern India who in turn had trade contact with Southeast Asia so that seems a more likely explanation than a one off expediton. Fun fact: this trade route brought most of the silk and spices to the empire and even a Hindu statue that was found in Pompeii. The coin was turned into a necklace, this could mean it was done by the local elite at some point. However again the more likely senario here is that is was brought there by colonial rulers (the French) since making jewelry out of Roman coins was common among the European elite after the renaissance.

  • @scottn2046

    @scottn2046

    2 ай бұрын

    Our main source on Roman Trade is a book called the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, which lists ports and gives a rough idea of distance, politics and what you can buy and sell there. It covers the Red Sea, East Africa, the Gulf and the India but I don't remember it giving anything beyond India. Trade with India was so frequent that I'm sure curious merchants, especially ones who did business with local merchants who went east, would have asked question about what lay beyond and that information would have made it back to Alexandria and Rome. I could even see a geographer like Ptolemy and Roman officials chatting with the merchants who'd been India and enlisting them to gather information in Indian Ports, both about India itself and what lay beyond. That said, I could easily say, well we have plenty of ships going to India, and the captains all say there are ships in port trading with China via Vietnam. Let's send some men to India with a bag of gold and tell them to try and get to China and see what you can find out.

  • @marcobelli6856

    @marcobelli6856

    2 ай бұрын

    @@scottn2046look at this video is in Italian but it should be with subtitles the guy usually doesn’t post fake info in his other documentaries but I didn’t fact check this so take it with a grain of salt. It seems like the romans had even some permanent settlements in India at some time kzread.info/dash/bejne/q3aspsixkrqolaw.htmlsi=zWG_Xyf53N8teVwg

  • @frankvandorp9732

    @frankvandorp9732

    2 ай бұрын

    I always find it a funny thing that Buddhism was popular in the Hellenistic world and later the Eastern part of the Roman empire, and might even have provided some inspiration for Christianity.

  • @scottn2046

    @scottn2046

    2 ай бұрын

    @@frankvandorp9732 Known by certain intellectuals in the Eastern Mediterranean in the Hellenistic and Roman period, yes, but popular, no. But it'd an intriguing question how much two way connections there were between Buddhists and Greek Philosophers, both BC and AD, particularly Alexandria, and whether that had any influence on religious free thinkers in the upper Red Sea in the early Christian era ...

  • @farranger275
    @farranger2752 ай бұрын

    The importance of considering something that seems unlikely is that if we don't hold it as at least a possibility, and we toss the idea aside, then if new clues or evidence do show up, we will dismiss them because we have already decided it couldn't have happened. Keeping an open mind allows the possibility for recognizing new evidence, either for or against the idea, and allowing the possibility of new discoveries and further understanding.

  • @gonatas1
    @gonatas12 ай бұрын

    Great stuff. Seems more likely that these sorts of long range contacts came from trade missions that may have claimed to represent Rome whether the central authority were aware of such or not. I don’t think that makes the possibility of such contacts any less remarkable.

  • @robertoguzman8273

    @robertoguzman8273

    2 ай бұрын

    yes!

  • @onepercentjuice
    @onepercentjuice2 ай бұрын

    We are so back! Thank you for everything Stefan ❤

  • @ulyssees30y
    @ulyssees30y2 ай бұрын

    Voices of the Past reads a first hand account of an earlier Chinese embassy to Rome. I can't quite remember but I think it was during the reign of Augustas Caesar.

  • @WorldHistoryGuide
    @WorldHistoryGuide2 ай бұрын

    Your content is pure quality! Been watching for years now 📖

  • @natbirchall1580

    @natbirchall1580

    2 ай бұрын

    Same here

  • 2 ай бұрын

    Genuine joy when I saw you upload a new video! Thanks!

  • @lordportellen788
    @lordportellen7882 ай бұрын

    I discovered your channel quite recently and I have to say it's quickly becoming my absolute favorite. Keep up the good job and you will have a million subs by this time next year!

  • @Rk-w03
    @Rk-w032 ай бұрын

    What a beautiful sight to come home to, another BANGER video by Stephan the don! Always good to wind down listening to how and who got us to where we are today.

  • @stevenbollinger9776
    @stevenbollinger97762 ай бұрын

    Two of my favorite things, Stefan Milo and Rome! In one video! I'm not worthy!

  • @frilansspion
    @frilansspion2 ай бұрын

    Thats some good digging! Fascinating stuff and lovely maps Ive been to that Okinawan castle, the view and sunset is indeed nice, missed the coins though :/

  • @skateboardist1686
    @skateboardist16862 ай бұрын

    I was wondering where my favorite guy Stefan was. I have been thinking about your channel off and on at random throughout the past two weeks and I NEVER think about any KZread channel ever except yours recently. I think the cannabis docu you said you were working on peeked my interest on some level. Always good to see your videos. I write a cool comment during the advertisement so that’s why a lot of my comments are so long.

  • @parassharma7800
    @parassharma78002 ай бұрын

    There was an Ancient Indian Expedition to Egypt where few people survived.

  • @ybur5539

    @ybur5539

    2 ай бұрын

    where can I read more about this?

  • @Filipe_Veras

    @Filipe_Veras

    2 ай бұрын

    Lê dot

  • @GeorgeTheDinoGuy
    @GeorgeTheDinoGuy2 ай бұрын

    This is a really fascinating topic as the interactions between Europe and Asia have been a particular interest of mine for a while. Thank you for making this video, your content never disappoints!

  • @Talleyhoooo
    @Talleyhoooo2 ай бұрын

    Looking forward to that next video, sounds really interesting!

  • @ingelapalsson6273
    @ingelapalsson62732 ай бұрын

    Thank You for this, Stefan. It's always a joy to watch Your content. Love it! Greetings from Sweden 🇸🇪

  • @melindusfindus1668
    @melindusfindus16682 ай бұрын

    My favourite KZread channel right now! So informative and fun always:)

  • @That-Native-Guy
    @That-Native-Guy2 ай бұрын

    Hey Stefan this video is absolutely crazy and man this shocks me, from West Africa to East Asia the Romans sought to discover the expanses of Earth but alas it was not but thank you so much for clearing the Easternmost expansion of the Ancient Romans ❤❤❤

  • @samassonz
    @samassonz2 ай бұрын

    Thank u Steven dope video , I been subscribed for like 3 years.

  • @elizabethford7263
    @elizabethford72632 ай бұрын

    Interesting video. I look forward to more information about thus!

  • @fiestoforo
    @fiestoforo2 ай бұрын

    01:20 for an instant I thought you said “it’s Chile” and my mind hoped for a video on Monte Verde and early populations of the Southern cone of South America. One can only wish. Love all of your videos, by the way, many thanks for your work!

  • @goon143
    @goon1432 ай бұрын

    DUDE ! . Love it ta for your efforts , love you guy .

  • @YouTube_user3333
    @YouTube_user33332 ай бұрын

    I watch your videos in amazement. You cover topics which I find fascinating, just like this video.

  • @imtrex521
    @imtrex5212 ай бұрын

    interesting, thanks. so grateful for your channel

  • @Peter-dk2ov
    @Peter-dk2ov2 ай бұрын

    You're a great science and history communicator. Thanks as always for the content

  • @andrewscoppetta4944
    @andrewscoppetta49442 ай бұрын

    Absolute BANGER of a video

  • @acelticmiscellany
    @acelticmiscellany2 ай бұрын

    Have a blast mate, I'm really enjoying having 'discovered' you just a few weeks back

  • @humanbridges
    @humanbridges2 ай бұрын

    Another excellent spot of work by Milo

  • @willmosse3684
    @willmosse36842 ай бұрын

    Wow, that was so cool! Off the beaten track for your usual prehistory stuff. But suuuper interesting.

  • @dawdoh3226
    @dawdoh32262 ай бұрын

    Would tusks and shells have been rare and expensive in ancient Rome? Maybe the Romans thought they were valuable gifts

  • @keyanization

    @keyanization

    2 ай бұрын

    Or maybe it was very valuable to other areas in Asia so the Romans just assumed it would be the same there

  • @michaelh6551

    @michaelh6551

    2 ай бұрын

    As African elephants are larger than Asiatic elephants I think that very large African tusks would be impressive to the Chinese.

  • @cmur078

    @cmur078

    2 ай бұрын

    @@michaelh6551 Roman and Greek sources always claim the opposite: that Indian elephants are bigger and stronger than African ones. This is because the African elephant they knew was the extinct North African population, which would have been more like modern forest elephants, and might have been a subspecies of them.

  • @HuckleberryHim

    @HuckleberryHim

    Ай бұрын

    @@michaelh6551 Big Asian tuskers from ancient times could probably just about compete with African tuskers, they can be very impressive even today

  • @KatherineHugs
    @KatherineHugs2 ай бұрын

    Great content!!

  • @ludoviccelle5781
    @ludoviccelle57812 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this video, I learned a lot. This story makes for a pretty cool movie or TV series !

  • @katherandefy
    @katherandefy2 ай бұрын

    My step-nephew lives in Vietnam as does an American Facebook friended several years ago. The nephew is in the hospitality trade. And the son of my colleague from uni also lives in Vietnam. So… I would say it’s a popular destination and sometimes residence. Good to see this side venture positing an expedition of such length. I think of how far Alexander the Great went and pretty sure he at least got to China but yes it’s a crazy long way and even further to Vietnam.

  • @SnakeBush
    @SnakeBush2 ай бұрын

    My man amazing video 🙏📹

  • @Katcom111
    @Katcom11127 күн бұрын

    That is a neat video, I wish you do more video on Ancient mainland Southeast Asia like Angkor or Champa temples.

  • @Rafael_Mena_Ill
    @Rafael_Mena_Ill2 ай бұрын

    Interesting topic, and lovely to hear about Vietnam!

  • @IvoTichelaar
    @IvoTichelaar2 ай бұрын

    Wow, at the end you wonder about how hard and uncertain it must have been for the Romans on this expedition. You always bring your videos to the perspective of the human experience. For modern humans, for early ancestors or cousin species. I appreciate that.

  • @noneoftheabove666
    @noneoftheabove6662 ай бұрын

    Interesting video. I highly doubt it was Roman expedition. Maybe some Roman traders heard about Vietnam when they were just walking around in the markets of Southern India and decided to take a trip there? Or maybe the coins reached Vietnam from some other traders from Southern India, the Middle East or Sri Lanka? Fascinating stuff.

  • @mliittsc63
    @mliittsc632 ай бұрын

    By the time the Chinese historical account was written, the Chinese had decided that the rest of the world had little to offer, so it would not surprise me that the gifts were denigrated. Something that makes me skeptical though: the Roman elite were contemptuous of merchants and thus also of seafarers, I think an emperor would be more likely to send a land-going expedition.

  • @singularityraptor4022
    @singularityraptor40222 ай бұрын

    Another banger from you !

  • @nosuchthingasshould4175
    @nosuchthingasshould41752 ай бұрын

    6:54 this fresco is amazing

  • @jacobcreech4415
    @jacobcreech44152 ай бұрын

    Steven Miller makes the most of his trip to Vietnam and gives us this compelling video. What a guy!

  • @michaelkaylor6770
    @michaelkaylor67702 ай бұрын

    Glad you made it home!

  • @calebwelch6393
    @calebwelch63932 ай бұрын

    Huzzah! Stefan dropped another historical arch video!!! Great work!! Fun fact: an author just wrote a historical fiction book called Silk Road Centurion. It's about a Roman centurion being sold off into slavery in China.

  • @jamesbarry1673
    @jamesbarry16732 ай бұрын

    Keep up the good work 👍💪

  • @thefatalcarrot8457
    @thefatalcarrot84572 ай бұрын

    The subtitles just said, “Titus Pullo being a legend.” First of all, based. Secondly…Lol wtf?!? Did SMilo or an algorithm write that? Thank you, sir, for yet another incredible vid. Being a sort of “fighting naturalist” like that kid in the film Master n Commander stated, history is often the thing that gets pushed to the background. What a wonderful way then to start a day, sipping coffee and learning of a wider world. May your travels bring you sunsets in Japan and more. :-) Peace.

  • @Pax.Alotin

    @Pax.Alotin

    2 ай бұрын

    *_'Pullo --- get back in formation you drunken fool'_*

  • @andrewscoppetta4944

    @andrewscoppetta4944

    2 ай бұрын

    Lucius Vorenus-bot in the comments

  • @SimianEncounter
    @SimianEncounter2 ай бұрын

    No way! I just moved to Vietnam recently, I'm living in HCMC. I've been watching your vids for years, funny coincidence 😅 I haven't been to the history museum yet but it's on my list 😊

  • @silmarilasmr6801
    @silmarilasmr68012 ай бұрын

    This video was great man! Thanks so much. Maybe the Roman ambassadors just decided to chill and make a life for themselves at their final destination after their over 12,000 mile expedition. I think I would lol

  • @mfaizsyahmi
    @mfaizsyahmi2 ай бұрын

    Living in the golden peninsula, being sandwiched by great civilizations west and east of us with at least 2 millennia of written and archeological history, makes me pretty envious. Our written history goes back barely 600 years.

  • @telebubba5527

    @telebubba5527

    2 ай бұрын

    You are wrong about that and need to learn more about the pre European years. America has known great civilizations for thousands of years. And a lot of it has yet to be discovered.

  • @BlaBla-pf8mf

    @BlaBla-pf8mf

    2 ай бұрын

    @@telebubba5527 the golden peninsula is the Malay peninsula. Not everything is about amerifats

  • @seralaadantharmarajah659
    @seralaadantharmarajah6592 ай бұрын

    Great Content. The OC EO insription on the tablet at 4.43 looks more Brahmi than Sanskrit

  • @ControlledDemolition
    @ControlledDemolition2 ай бұрын

    I saw a LOT of coins from that era, many of Cesar getting pulled out of tombs, turtle tombs, in Anatolia. Deifineci Deniz has many videos, but there are dozens of treasure seeker channels for the area. Thank you.

  • @quirinusdivus7818
    @quirinusdivus78182 ай бұрын

    China Also sent ambassadors to Rome as well, but same as what stopped the Romans, the Parthians convinced the Chinese envoys it was not worth going further, Glad you did a Roman video on the Ides of March, Ave Caesar!

  • @maxcasteel2141
    @maxcasteel2141Ай бұрын

    Great video. What I wouldn't give to be an ambassador to a land that I had no idea what it was like, what was out there, or how far it went

  • @pinchevulpes
    @pinchevulpes2 ай бұрын

    There was a ghost stories KZread story recently about a man who saw a ghostly Roman legionary apparition in Vietnam. Fascinating

  • @jwinter7480
    @jwinter74802 ай бұрын

    Hi Stefan! Have you ever considered writing a book? I think something containing loads of stories like this or just interesting archeological finds would be really cool, especially if done by you!

  • @westenicho
    @westenicho2 ай бұрын

    I love Stefan, I love Rome. When he covers Roman expeditions I think I've died and gone to heaven.

  • @northwall9243
    @northwall92432 ай бұрын

    Love your videos Stefan! Great as usual, could do without the betterhelp sponsorship though (not a good company mate!)

  • @mainemountainman3743
    @mainemountainman37432 ай бұрын

    Nice job!

  • @zeppocat
    @zeppocat2 ай бұрын

    Excellent and captivating video. Loved the part about the Roman and China connection. I think quite a few people can possibly point a portion of their DNA markers to Roman ancestry. I would love to see a future video featuring tools used by current paleontologists in the field and lab. You are very good at explaining things, and I think you would do the topic justice.

  • @JianYZhong
    @JianYZhong2 ай бұрын

    Thanks, really interesting.

  • @barbarapalmer1404
    @barbarapalmer1404Ай бұрын

    Now living near the small city you grew up in, I can attest that there are lots of mental health resources in the area, even if they are not free on the NHS. Fascinating presentation otherwise, which I enjoyed very much.

  • @TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods
    @TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods2 ай бұрын

    One of my favourite things at my advanced age is learning history that I don't know! Thanks, Stefan!

  • @globusfokus7662
    @globusfokus76622 ай бұрын

    Maybe the reason the chineese didn't think much of the roman gifts was that they weren't exceptionally exotic to them. Ivory and turtleshells they could find at home, but the romans possibly didn't know that. ??

  • @Pax.Alotin

    @Pax.Alotin

    2 ай бұрын

    My understanding is that the most valuable Roman commodity for the Chinese --------- was Roman glass -

  • @DOGosaurus_rex
    @DOGosaurus_rex2 ай бұрын

    Awesome topic , always wondered what did these ancient civilizations knew about the rest of the world and its inhabitants .

  • @bholdr----0
    @bholdr----02 ай бұрын

    Great Vid! ...Even if not in this particular circumstance, it is probable (In My Amateur Opinion), that SOME kind of semi-regular trade must have happened between such far-flung wealthy empires, given their technology, stability, and knowledge at this time. ...There is SO much there, buried and/or forgotten, waiting to be found (And disseminated by great channels like this one.) Cheers!

  • @user-zj6oh6hx8j
    @user-zj6oh6hx8j2 ай бұрын

    Interesting video. Videos about Carthage please.

  • @eliesalaun7940
    @eliesalaun79402 ай бұрын

    Fascinating as always 😊. But you start by saying that the coin could have land here through trades centuries later. So wether the travel really happened or not and Ptoleme is another clue there were some kind of contacts, still, it could be completely unrelated to the coin.

  • @kyrab7914
    @kyrab79142 ай бұрын

    I totally thought this was gonna be about the lost Roman legion. Neat to learn new stuff! Also I find it funny that they deemed the alleged tribute not valuable, since today (and years since), those are v rare, valuable things.

  • @yanchoho
    @yanchoho2 ай бұрын

    I see a new Stefan Milo video -> I couldn’t possible press the like button faster

  • @HistoryandHeadlines
    @HistoryandHeadlines2 ай бұрын

    We have been covering the Roman Empire for the past few weeks in one of my classes!

  • @PeterOConnell-pq6io
    @PeterOConnell-pq6io2 ай бұрын

    Cui Chi tunnels to Ha Long Bay? Bit of a departure from your usual stuff, but fun. There's always the old "the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" saw if all other arguments fail.

  • @hughmcaloon6506
    @hughmcaloon6506Ай бұрын

    I think you made a solid case! As for "why not better known?" Like you said, they may not have made it home. I've noticed that any trip that didn't lead to anything permanent gets forgotten. Whether it's the Vikings in Canada, Brendan the Navigator reaching North America, the Chinese circumnavigating the world in 1421, or this Roman delegation... no effect, no glory.

  • @dariopina8727
    @dariopina87272 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @JenksAnro
    @JenksAnro2 ай бұрын

    Khodadad Rezakhani argued in a seminar I saw in London a couple years ago that the Daqin might have been the Near East, rather than Rome and that it's a consequence of an orientalist binary that we want to see Rome and China as these Eastern and Western hegemonic powers, when there is a more likely candidate (for being the Daqin) in between them. A sort of western, preference for seeing Rome to the exclusion of other possibilities. Though you should read his stuff directly for all the nuances

  • @thetooginator153
    @thetooginator1532 ай бұрын

    I enjoy the graphics, but the clips are often too short to even see what they are (and the images are moving). Some people may be able to handle listening to the interesting story AND process the images at this speed, but I can’t. Could you hold the images for 50 percent longer, and see if that is still engaging?

  • @KenoticMuse
    @KenoticMuse2 ай бұрын

    At minimum, I think we can conclude from the archeological and historical records that Rome had contact with China through Vietnam, and that Romans made expeditions to Southeast Asia. We don't know if this was a one off event or if it was more frequent, and we don't know if these expeditions were state sanctioned and that they were official representatives of Rome, or if they were private traders looking to open up new trade routes. We shouldn't underestimate the power of private trade to reach far corners of the world, and I think the ancient world was more connected through private trade routes than they were through diplomatic relations. What's odd to me is this delegate from Rome had Roman coins and they had some goods with commercial values such has rhino horns and turtle shells, but they didn't have any official badge or seal to show that they represent Rome. I know that Chinese diplomats carried seals or documents with official seal from the Emperor to show that they're conducting business on behalf of the Emperor. Surely, Rome must have had a similar protocol. If the Chinese record said that this delegate presented documents with the official seal of Rome, then it would be clearer that this was an official envoy. Of course, it's also possible that they did present such official document, but the Chines record didn't think it's worthwhile to mention such detail.

  • @markusdee6136
    @markusdee6136Ай бұрын

    Back in the early 2000s. Construction workers in Silay City, the Philippines dug a wooden box that contained roman coins. But well it also contains Spanish and Chinese coins. So it could have been part of a collection of someone who lived during the Spanish colonial period of the Philippines up to the Japanese Occupation or probably later.

  • @franug
    @franug2 ай бұрын

    I remember reading a historical novel about this expedition. It was fun! I can't remember the name though, lol. But just thinking about how hard the expedition must've been is crazy

  • @finnmccool4943
    @finnmccool49432 ай бұрын

    Venetian trade beads made it to Alaska. Pre Columbus.

  • @sonkeschluter3654
    @sonkeschluter36542 ай бұрын

    Important thing to keep in mind is that coins from that time are made of precious metals. So even if you don’t know the king or the currency it is still gold/silver that you can just put on a scale. Still possible that some adventurous people travelled further than we usually credit them.

  • @laughingman3777
    @laughingman37772 ай бұрын

    You should do a similar video on how Merlin was probably a Persian priest. If you want more details let me know. I'd love to discuss it with you. And yes, I'm aware Merlin isn't a historical person (or is he?) and this is an archeology channel.

  • @victoralcantar960
    @victoralcantar9602 ай бұрын

    Love doing nerdy things while traveling.

  • @brianonscript
    @brianonscript2 ай бұрын

    Ancient Southeast Asia is a fascinating topic that tends to get short shrift because of limitations in historical records, but that's where archaeological investigation can provide some tantalizing evidence. I recently made a video about a little-known site in southern Vietnam which bears witness to a civilization whose existence was unknown before its chance discovery in 1985. It seems to have been influenced by the Oc Eo culture, but is characterized by an intriguing mix of South Asian and East Asian influences. Imagine how much more is waiting to be discovered.

  • @Winterascent
    @Winterascent2 ай бұрын

    It really could simply be from trade. I know that , especially if the coin was of a genuine metal like gold or silver, it would be pretty neat to get a coin from somewhere exotic in my daily commerce dealings, and it might have been the same when that coin got to Vietnam.

  • @VERYEXCITED
    @VERYEXCITED2 ай бұрын

    Please include that clip of you emerging from the ground in every video from now on.

  • @BenSHammonds
    @BenSHammondsАй бұрын

    there were well known ports on the Red Sea of eastern Egypt where trading vessels put in and out for the spice islands etc.

  • @MatthewCaunsfield
    @MatthewCaunsfield2 ай бұрын

    That's a heck of a journey, but certainly possible! I hope more evidence surfaces one day

  • @regantlew15
    @regantlew152 ай бұрын

    Best content on KZread