Is'nt it also that longer cables gives more resistance and a higher voltage gives less loss?

Good answer! I was waiting for the diss on pro gear...

@keithmoriyama5421

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@Douglas Blake Ah... that's called irony? I've been a professional sound engineer for 35 years.

Consumer line level is generally thought of as a signal whose level is at -10 dBV (0.316). CD players and DVD players are examples of consumer line-level equipment. Professional line level is generally thought of as a signal whose level is at +4 dBu (1.23 volts or significantly higher).

I don’t think I have an Audiophile professional volume knob. It just says volume..🤔😳🥺

@JonAnderhub

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😆Real "Audiophiles" don't use volume knobs they just blame the recording engineers for making the music too loud or too soft for their audiophile system.😂

Consumer audio products might be clipping the signal if exposed to such higher voltage peaks on the input causing harmonic distortion.

@ThinkingBetter

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@@Douglas_Blake Yes, it will be a disaster of clipping if you run the level without some attenuation. But reducing a level by a factor of 10 or -20dB on the pro side can possibly do the trick. A simple voltage divider with one 10K + 1K can also work for the DYI type person for a single ended input (can fit in one of those RCA connectors with removable housing).

Its just for fun, actually.

Interesting. I guess that means that if you use a pro DAC like this then you'd be best off with low gain in the rest of the system influencing which amps and preamps make the best synergy. Perhaps a line stage instead of a pre amp for example?

@JayRCela

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@Douglas Blake I agree.

Mostly they run cat6 cables to the mixing board from the stage box these days. All digital signals.

Yes indeed, the primary reason is the one Paul didn't mention - much longer cables are used in pro audio, which requires higher voltages and balanced connections to prevent insertion loss and attenuated high frequencies. Common mode noise rejection is important in a recording studio but not in a concert venue.

Sorry I dont understand the meaning of consumer audio in headphones category. Im planning to buy a sennheiser momentum 4 headphones but Im confused with the descrption per website. I saw one with less expensive but there is a consumer audio in product name while the expensive one dont have consumer audio in its name. Im thinking because the less expensive one with consumer audio is not brandnew. 😂🤔 please help me understand.

Hi. I just want to know the meaning of consumer audio in headphones? I want to but this consumer audio momentum 4 of sennheiser which is less expensive from other website. Is this different from the original and new headphones?

Does this mean you can't/shouldn't use Consumer DACs in Proffesional applications? Will the over all volume be lost or is it a signal intgrety issue for long cable runs?

@JonAnderhub

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While it is certainly best to use DACs that provide a "pro level" output, there is no harm in using a DAC, or any other consumer-level input device into a pro application. The device can be run into a matching transformer, or more commonly preamps are used to bring the level of the device up.

@DJErrn

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@@JonAnderhub at the Momment depending if the drop is anything that would concern me I'm considering the Radial Engineering J+4 Stereo Line Driver if I need one.

@JonAnderhub

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@@DJErrn Try bringing your DAC directly into your equipment if it has a preamp available on your equipment to raise the signal. Otherwise, the Radial Engineering J+4 is an excellent choice.

+1 for Mytek DACs

😏 I saw ATC speaker in the house.

Car audio components offer the same output levels as well, so i'd say the long cable theory is correct.

And that is why most audio professionals use hearing aids. They always talk like this " What was that? Speak louder. Stop mumbling"

I would have assumed it was due to the need for signal strength to run long line level cables. In my new upcoming music venue, the console will be in the back of the room, and the amps will be to the side of the stage, up on the catwalk. To my thinking, those long runs would be a nightmare for line level signals. But, the PA I'm getting digitizes all analog signals in a box on stage, and from there, it's a low-latency digital audio network to the console and then on to the amps.

Longer cables are what Pro use. So....as signal degrades in amplitude and clarity with cable length, the signal needs to be higher to start with. same goes with power transmission to your homes.. high voltage to start with which reduces to 110 or 230v at your home. Same general idea. So partly amplitude reduction with length and partly noise induction through long cable runs.

Someone did it and for everyone else it was, will my stuff work with theirs so they made it the standard.

that Win7 wallpaper

@JonAnderhub

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That's Windows XP. Pre 64 bit.

@JonAnderhub

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@Douglas Blake LOL That's Gus Skinas"s Sonoma DSD system that he acquired from Sony.

Come on Paul. I know were getting older but… Why are Pro Levels so much higher than, Consumer levels? Let me explain. It's all Alexander Graham Balls fault! He started it! To get voice frequencies down a skinny wire for miles. Had to be at these higher levels. Then radio stations adopted pretty much the same stuff. Then TV stations. Then recording studios. And this helps to ensure adequate levels above noise floor. And so Pro Levels. Were really never intended for your low-cost consumer geared to interface with that stuff. So sorry if you have. It can be, frustrating. For those who don't know how to deal with that appropriately. You need pads. Unlike the ones for the ladies. These generally made out of carbon. Now don't get me started on balanced verses, single ended. Single ended sounds the best. But has the most, interference and grounding issues. That don't bother me any. I know what I'm doing. I've wired plenty of recording studios and broadcast station control rooms. For radio stations. Primarily. Balanced stuff, is important in, larger facilities. When you have many hundreds of feet of cable to deal with. Going many different places. Powered from many different power sources. Things can get noisy. If it were single ended. But in the control rooms of at least one of the great, Disc Mastering Engineers. Bernie Goodman.. His custom Mastering Console. Was all designed to be, Single Ended. Not balanced. Like how I wired my first, large, professional, 16 track recording studio in 1978. All single ended. And nobody understood why it sounded so great? I eliminated most of the transformers! And made certain.. I had no ground loops, anywhere in anything. So the only buzzing that would occur in my control room. Was from whatever I was smoking. Of course not everybody knows how to design and build recording studios and radio station control rooms and facilities. It's slightly beyond most hi-fi enthusiast consumers. It can all get downright tricky. Like for power distribution. Ah yes, power distribution. I make certain my power is all isolated. Through a power isolation multi-tap transformer. And the benefits are amazing. I don't recommend a home studio or home stereo without one. Cheap small ones available for, 20 Amps for 2000 W. And your noise floor will get quieter, still more better. And so Paul at his age is getting a little forgetful. He's a few years older than I am. I'm only 67. I've only been doing this for, 52 years sort of. Really almost 60. But we won't count the time from before I started getting paid. At 14 years of age. Not for a small event. No. I was Production Audio for, the lovely beautiful contestants of the, 1970, Miss Detroit Beauty Pageant. And when that year 1970 Miss America was Pamela Eldridge from, Detroit. To Crown Miss Detroit. As I had been requested by one of the pretty contestants. Who was a student of mine mothers. And well… By the time I was 12. I had a full-blown radio station production control room in my basement I had assembled. From 1940s and 1950s equipment. My dad had acquired for me. It was fun getting an early start. I started practicing what I made my career decision at 7 years of age years earlier. It's just one of those things I guess? Some of us take to things like ducks take to water. And so I've never had any problems interfacing consumer level gear with, high level Pro gear. A store called, Radio Shaft. Used to have the parts and pieces you would need. To make consumer/professional connections, so much easier. A $10 gizmo here. A $10 gizmo there. And you are in business. Cheap Chinese audio transformers are great! They take off that nasty edge of, accurate transient response. The smooth out that digital rasp. With their miserable frequency response rolloff's and low frequency distortion. Up the WWAZOO! Ugh! It's great! Because if it's, too clear? It will sound wispy, metallic and fake! It'll have all this air. Where music should be. And so you need, Saturation. From cheap Chinese transformers. It's embarrassing, I know. But really are a wonderful thing. And I am missing Radio Shaft! I'd been going there since before 1970! More like 1968. When I didn't tell my parents I was a hippie at 12. And I knew I had to record rock 'n' roll records. But first had to start with, Grand Opera. Mozart, Verdi, Wagner and those folk. Before you can graduate to, Gospel and then, Jazz. Before you could graduate to full-blown rock 'n' roll. And play with all the knobs and dials! Yee ha! Woo hoo! This is living! Don't Bogart That Joint! Somebody had to do it. I elected me. Over 50 years ago. RamyRAD