As a retired firefighter, my powder and primers are stored, apart, in the basement, with a dehumidifier. Store them on, or barely above floor level. In a fire, all your heat rises, and the floor stays "cool", unless you get a contained smoldering fire. Those are explosive, in themselves. Also, if you don't have a basement, store your powder, and primers, on the lowest floor, preferably in an outside corner. Fire, like heat, tends to rise. If you can build a small box, with steel studs and drywall, in an outside corner, on the floor, that's going to be about the best you can do, short of building a concrete block container. Store all your loaded ammo, down as low as possible too.

@tommcqueen3145

3 жыл бұрын

Hi you can look up the code for legal storage boxes they're made with 1 inch thick wood sides

@asakayosapro

Жыл бұрын

I’d think a concrete shed proud of the house outer wall with its own house-side wall and with weatherproofing as well as hinges mounted on hardware designed to shear off the doors harmlessly in the worst case scenario while maintaining storage security would be ideal, albeit overkill... Next best thing is a metal box with a heavy, insulated sideways hatch access for the inside and the same weatherproofed shearing hinge mount doors to the outside. The idea is to have the door give at a way lower amount of force than the hatch.

@birddog7492

10 ай бұрын

Thank you this is great to think about. Safety first means a lot less worry if the worst happens.

This kind of storage is so important in particularly humid parts of the US. In CO, we are so dry that we really don't worry about moisture related issues. Proper storage is usually in a wooden box, or maybe even a wooden shelf, in the basement, where it is always cool, dark, and dry. Happy New Year!

My primers are stored in food saver vacuum bags with a pack of diccisant then put in an ammo can, powder cans are also stored in Ammo cans with packs of desiccant, my metal cans of 3031 I got in the early 80's have ZERO rust. cover box with concrete board, my reloading room is lined with concrete board, waterproof and much more heat resistant, the storage cabinet is also double wall fire resistant, magnets and detent springs hold the doors closed.

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

That’s some fine detail... sounds Right! 👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸thanks for the info

@kuzadupa185

2 жыл бұрын

I wish you would make a video. This sounds like a really well prepared area which deals with such volatile chemistry.

Long time subscriber and fan. Hadn't really thought about it before, but now that I've watched this and reasoned it out in my head, I'm moving my sleeved primers from the metal ammo cans into plastic ones.

Just got into reloading I’ve been researching and planning for years and just went ahead and made the jump and found your channel and just want to say thank you..... all of your insight has been really helpful and have been watching all your videos while in the loading room..... great info ! But now I just ordered molds and sizers and furnace to get started molding ..... and thanks to you I know what powders to get (haven’t ordered that yet but fixin too ! Using your fussy chart ! ...... Thanks again and really appreciate your time you put into all your videos ! Keep um comin ! Looking forward to your next ones .....

Thank you Elvis. In addition to coolers, I use an old (not operational) dorm size refrigerator.

@chunglow6449

3 жыл бұрын

@John Beige Quite a good application of ‘rollers’ sir! Heavy sukkers are fridges. Thankya.

Great topic and advice EA, definitely got me thinking about my storage. I think I’m going to be building some Sheetrock lined boxes.

As always, a great video and very informative. I personally like to store my powder in little brass cylinders. I do do use the desiccant packs.

Boom! Good to see ya Elvis!!!!

Not first. In construction a firewall with a 2 hour burn rating is made of 2 layers of 5/8 sheetrock overlapped on each side of the wall.

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

Good info right there... this should be helpful..👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

@peteralexben

3 жыл бұрын

is this for documents or photo albums ???,not much heat is needed to get the ignition of powders and primers.

Some great thoughts and ideas. Will rethink what I'm doing now. So thanks Elvis.

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

Getting the wheels turning is my favorite thing to do!!👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

My cooler I have used for over 20 years as my daily lunchbox for work is the same model. :D The colors are red and white instead of green, burgundy and white. It's also the one I take with me out in the boat fishing.

i started out with a couple plastic totes for primer and powder but that soon became cumbersom a 10 on the fussy scale then it was a non working dorm fridge and now is a non working upright freezer with about 2 pounds of desicant in the bottom.

I was lucky enough to "acquire" a really nice large fire rated chemical cabinet years ago from a job that I did. It works great to store ammo and reloading components. I also mounted a couple of the automatic fire extinguishers. One I put right over my reloading bench and the other is inside the cabinet.

Thanks Elvis, just gave me some ideas on storage.

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

You welcome brother!

I'm commenting here so you might see it, my comment is about powder coat. Try mixing Eastwood silver powder coat with Eastwood blue or green. I've noticed when I do this I get good coverage, a nice iridescent color and almost no sticking together and the few that might stick leave no bad spots. It really works great.

Good stuff thanks

I like the wood box, may start building some. As always, great video :-))

I consider myself as a qualified basic reloader so I enjoy listening to people who teach me new things. I’ve always wondered how powder stored in a typical Texas garage for 10 years would work if used? At what point would a powder become unstable to use? Same question for primer storage and would different powders respond better or worse than others? Like you, I keep mine under strict environment control and I never buy someone’s gun powder unless it’s from a close friend and I KNOW it was stored properly.

I know I said this before but HOLY S#!+ I'm glad you're back.

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

Can’t get enough... love to hear it!!!👍👍thanks!!!

geat info.. im just starting out.just learning and buying the equippment and misc..

I never thought of using coolers like that. That's pretty brilliant. Another helpful video. Thank you good sir

Some good info

Thanks for the video

Great video

I think this was a great idea that most of us probably don't think about very much

I've put powder in a mason jar with some silica gel packs because I accidentally spilled it on my carpet and I stayed up every bit that I could but a lot of other junk came with it and I have yet to go through it and pick all the little teeny pieces of leaves and grass out lol I also keep all of my shotgun shells that I don't plan on using anytime soon side of a air tight PVC canister that I've made and that has big kitchen towel filled with rice and rubber-banded so it'll suck up moisture from that end and I have silica gel packs inside of it above a couple layers of shotgun shells and so far so good I kept shotgun shells in it up to about five years and the ones that I did have in there worked well

Great idea the way you store your extra powder measures. Did you drill the holes in your ingots or form them when you poured the ingots?

Tell these guys to quit leaving powder in the dispensers! But yes I had a metal 40mm box I was storing primers in until I realized I had a f×ckin bomb in the basement. Now they are in gallon freezer bags . I don't ad silica to the bags. I let the powder and primers commit to their own equilibrium of solvents in their respective chemistry. I like the cooler idea , you're making us country bumpkins look smart ! I don't know if we need that attention.

Great tips, buddy. I’m going to share this on the Reloading FB channel. Lots and lots of brand new reloaders there. BTW...sheetrock is a great idea, and there is a type called, firerock...used in garages.

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍Thankya

Oh wow, look at all those primers.

I put those dessicant bags in the case dryer, then in a sealed container.

You can buy a big bag of kitty litter that is 100% silica and put that in coffee filters or whatever for moisture control. It’s the same stuff that is in the small bags in products you buy. Amazon sells big bags of it

Wouldn't the rubber seal on the ammo box melt away there by venting the box before the primers got hot enough to go off and build pressure? Maybe a good experiment to try

I keep my powder and primers in my walkin pantry building. Heated in winter, cooled in summer. Temp stays between 50 and 65 degrees. Everything is on wire shelving, off the floor, and plenty of circulation.

Just used your mold bolt stripped out trick on my 00 buck mold today... rainy day casting seattle

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome brother! Rainy day made better! 😄

@christopherpeterson1400

3 жыл бұрын

ammo it's always raining , always casting

Vacuum seal, ammo box, gun,fireproof gun safe and safe room there you go!!!!So that's my deal!!!So my house burned, and both of my safes went through a tremendous fire and then water on top of that from the fire department so I have first-hand experience, my gun safe, save my guns and my powder and my primers and my ammo I cannot believe it that was before I had any ammo can storage and any vacuum seal.All my reloading supplies were in a fireproof safe. I still have them today and they still work. Every round shot so far has went off after the fire. So better protect what we got because it's gonna be very hard to get more from now on, if not impossible in the next few years to come!

All my powder is in the original tubs out in my garage. I keep a dehumidifier running but it's not heated. Sometimes I worry about it being in the 20's but so far I haven't had any issues with powder going bad.

@peteralexben

3 жыл бұрын

if you had a cellar or water tight pit inyour garage ,it would be a more constant temperature

I keep my primers in plastic ammo cans in the bedroom closet. Powder stays in original containers on top of the safe. Air conditioning is key.

@vdog4799

3 жыл бұрын

I have my powder and primers in a shed with no ventilation. It gets hot in the summer cold in the winter. Its dry as a bone but I cant keep it cool very well. Is that a big problem?

Good info

@georgiaboy4410

3 жыл бұрын

I think You should move that metal ammo can full of primers out from behind the woodstove James🤣

@jamespollard1670

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgiaboy4410 Are you saying it's not a good spot to keep it ?

How long does it take to dry out the packs in the oven

Where can I find this powder and primers I hear talk of?

Good to see those suggestion. Charlie may not like being called an old timer.

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

I might have screwed up!!!! I guess you figured out who it was!?

@fuzztfork8

3 жыл бұрын

We all figured it out, he LOVES being called OLD TIMER.. HE GUMS HIS WOMEN; JUST SAYING !

@jamesowens2781

3 жыл бұрын

@@elvisammo yep that man is a legend he must be busy I tried to call him and rat you out lol. Happy New years Elvis from across the county line.

Ha! Primer and powder storage! I wish i was concerned with this.

You would probably freak seeing where my primers and powder are, outside. But we have very little moisture here in PHX.

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

Ah Freak out!! 😂😀😝😜😁🤪👍🇺🇸

@barryoakes5976

3 жыл бұрын

@@elvisammo ,, dude,, disco still sucks

I store mine in a mink lined cedar wooden box with a tube of venison summer sausage to trap any moisture. Then shrink wrap the box three layers of black plastic (gotta be black), and run an ultra violet lamp and a three bladed fan in the room 24/7. Any more than three blades tends to create a vortex that can waft through the plastic and cause ignition degradation. Seems to work. 😕

Is it ok to store primers and powder in the oven? Asking for a friend.

@lonewanderer3603

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forget to preheat.

A question for you, the powder with the rust in it, would you load it? Do you think the rust would affect the powder immensely and adversely?

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

Man. I guess if I really really had to I would check it out. But for no other reason. Don’t make me test the stuff out!😎

@georgewilliamson5182

3 жыл бұрын

@@elvisammo Lmao, I for sure don't want you in any danger. What I need is an old gun that fires to see (firing remotely). I believe the iron oxide from the rust might make it very interesting.

@georgewilliamson5182

3 жыл бұрын

@John Beige agreed. I marked it and stored it.

@georgewilliamson5182

3 жыл бұрын

@John Beige agreed. I am keeping only for just in case. So far I have 1.5 lbs that are bad. One I have plenty of. The full lb not so much. Once this shortage is over whenever that is I will dispose of all of it.

Good show You just made me think of way to store powder A small unlocked fire proof file safe witch you can get for around 30 or 40 bucks

Also, I have a refrigerator that I store my powder in the bottom and primers in the freezer. This is in an unheated with no air-conditioning out building. It is locked and secured. Opinion please. My options are kind of limited.

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

I do like the idea of the powder be in in an insulated enclosure. This allows the temperature change to be more controlled slower rise and fall. Less chance of moisture. It’s not all bad. Just keep an eye on it

@georgewilliamson5182

3 жыл бұрын

@@elvisammo Yes and a refrigerator also serves as a class 4 locker. All the gun shops around here use them with a padlock as I do. The door seal acts like a pressure break and the inside is coated and/or aluminum which makes it non-sparking.

@georgewilliamson5182

3 жыл бұрын

@@elvisammo I also have a golden rod inside it and keep charcoal briquets inside it to absorb moisture. I just have to change the out or heat the briquets up a bit in my toaster oven to remove moisture

Look into FEL powder magazine requirements

I bought fire proof file cabinet. But it is so air tight. It wooshes as you shut drawer. But if it can start fire and self ignition. Do you want it to breath a tiny bit.?? Like Maby do wood box then fire brick . Make your own. Breathable. Fire box.????

With plastic containers, does anyone worry about static electricity? Is it a concern?

@johnwunder3521

3 жыл бұрын

I was going to mention that.especially with the styrofoam ice chest........E.S.D. (electro static discharge) they make a special conductive plastic called velostat for use with explosives ect...

Elvis opens the cooler inside the wood box and said there's "some primers" I almost cried LOL I haven't seen primers since last July except for 200 that I found two days before Christmas and it's like money burning a hole in my pocket I want to shoot them so bad because I'm tired of some recycling primers this primer shortage needs to end so bad

@JohnDoeEagle1

3 жыл бұрын

I always keep full 5,000 sleeves of each size on hand. Luckily for me it' never less than 40,000 so 8 sleeves of each. I never gave more than $128.50 for any one of those sleeves. I still am taking it easy since last April shooting and reloading because I know the shortage will go on years, not weeks or months. It may end up being all 4 years of Joe Biden's Presidency. I won't rule it out or plan any differently.

What about one of the plastic ammo cans?

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

Yep! 👍👍

@peteralexben

3 жыл бұрын

if it soft plastic not a problem , but any hard or brittle box can be a grenate ,but it is not isolated thats not good

Don’t kid yourself. The local fire Marshall himself asked me if I reloaded or had a lot of Ammo. I refused to answer and he told me the first pop they hear they will stand back and let it burn. The fire dept is not putting out your house fore if you have any ammo or reloading components.

I’ve stated saving my old primers too. I have a small lathe and mill so I can make tools I need. All I need is the compound! Got any ideas?

@Overland_Vanlife

3 жыл бұрын

Cap gun caps are a good component for primers

@tomburson5554

3 жыл бұрын

@@Overland_Vanlife thanks!

@tomburson5554

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve got too much powder to store in anything! Probably have about 12 pounds of just black powder alone!

@peteralexben

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomburson5554 dont store more then a pound bp together ,it will explode at once al 12 pounds

How about vacuum pack with a moisture packet

black powder is the most dangerous propelant to store , never put nitro ,primers or bp in a strong kabinet or safe never together even if it is fireproof ,thats only for a short time the case. a wooden kabinet is more safe if you keep a amount a water in plastic bottles inside ,they will melt and the water takes heat ,but the isolated box is good idea ;-)

the military has been using ammo cans to store ammo, for maybe a hundred years, but its not good for powder or primers? got it

🖖 👍

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

storing in a ammo can is safe . i hate to disagree with you elvis . i realy do . i had 5 ammo cans full of ammo . some in boxes and some lose . and they were in a fire . lots of dents in the ammo boxes but none of the rounds got through . the fire was so hot that when the ammo boxes were opened up there was no brass left inside of them ! the fire vaporized the brass and bullets ! had one can full of primers , it stayed intact and everything inside was vaporized allso . the fire was at a friends place i was staying at right after my divorce started . glad everything else i had was in storage . the fire safety association i think that is their name . says don't store smokeless powder in a safe . if it was to get to flashpoint it would become a bomb . they say to make a wooden cabinet with one weak side so that the pressure would come out that side . i think the metal powder boxes are made with a weak side . but i am not sure on that . talk to your local fire dept , they will gladly help you make storage of reloading supply and ammo safe . not just for you but for them also if god forbid you have a fire . great video i know you are talking about more than a fire in this . most new and some old reloaders don't know just how to store stuff . and never store ammo , powder or primers under a staircase . firemen might need to use it if it is usable . don't want it going off underneath them !

@tommcqueen3145

3 жыл бұрын

Hi that's because ammo cans are designed to store ammo larger amounts gun powder need a container that has a way for the to escape you can look the code on legal storage boxes they're made with 1 inch thick wood sides

@peteralexben

3 жыл бұрын

no venting in a box or kabinet is enough to prevent a explosion with ,nitro ,bp or primers.

I like your ideas's elvis but U.S. ammo cans are rated to certain pressures and heat range before failure. Did not believe it myself but 2 years i was moving and the UHAUL caught fire and all my stuff burnt my primers were in ammo cans they blew but the integrity of the ammo can held

@joedirt7604

2 жыл бұрын

There is a bunker company that does alot of vids on KZread that recently had a fire, To my surprise, the cans that had 50 bmg. were not as damaged as I would expect, My only guess is the gaskets melt away first allowing *some* pressure to escape. For it to survive igniting all the powder and primers from a bunch of 50 bmg is kinda impressive. That had to have been a lot of pressure.

@chrisglover7080

2 жыл бұрын

@@joedirt7604 yes the rubber will melt first then all the gas escape. It looks like hells infurno trying to escape it wicked lookin

The fire insulation in safes is Sheetrock too

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much it!

Don't use sheetrock, use rock board. It is less likely to absorb water.

I use an old refrigerator, Lol

I store my primers after removing them from the box on top of the medicine cabinet in the bathroom next to the shower.

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

Your a mess!!!🤣😂😝😜🤪

I put my in ammo cans in my safe. 1300 degrees 60 minutes. Lol

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

👍😂🤪😜🤣🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

@joephelps7867

3 жыл бұрын

Ali Ka Boom Bye Bye agrees with you as well! Remember to always practice safety!

@thebrodnaxs8304

3 жыл бұрын

@@elvisammo you are right though even in the Safe it could reach Temps high enough without being on fire.

My buddy reloads in his small shead/ reloading room with a wood burning stove ???

@christopherpeterson1400

3 жыл бұрын

@@jrwatkins3872 thanks for the comment..👍

I live in Colorado. Can you please explain this moisture thing you speak of? I don't follow. 🤣🤣🤣

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

😎😜👍

I have a 5 gallon bucket of 4227 sealed up with a couple thousand primers dumped into the same bucket... That way they can better work together when loaded. And i put it into a 50 gallon drum of cement to keep it safe from fire and let the cement all harden. But i put a straw through the cement into the bucket to make sure it can breath. I feel like I'm pretty safe from fire. Lol jkjk I'm not that retarded. 😂😂😂😂😂🤷🏼 that thing is jusy waiting for a flame hehehe

I've been told its almost impossible to ruin primers.. maybe I'm wrong but their shelf life is extremely long..? Put the powders I can see.. but against fires is a good reason.

@peteralexben

3 жыл бұрын

temperature changes makes powders desintegrate ,if stored a long time ,also the primers compound will lose the binding of the components ,and then you got misfires

@aolinger680

3 жыл бұрын

I've tried most everything imaginable to deactivate primers. Soaked for days and alternately flushed with cold/hot water and detergents, and could always get a bang out of them between an anvil and a hammer. But, a big BUT, they were muffled and inconsistent. Some loud, some weak. I believe proper storage has more to do with consistency, than "does it still go bang?"

@peteralexben

3 жыл бұрын

@@aolinger680 thats tru.the pil in the primer is made of bounded britlle crystals .they are sensitve to impact. A blow with a hammer is not the impact of a firingpin.that is only a small point .with the hammer you generate a lot of heat and the complete primer is hit ... A primer will loose its compact hard design most by temperatur changes and then you get misfires.thats why keeping them in dry cellar or isolated box wil.keep them more consistant

I store all my primers in brass cases.

@peteralexben

3 жыл бұрын

never store in a hard container primers ,powders .

@wisemechanic1758

3 жыл бұрын

He didn't get it...lol

@peteralexben

3 жыл бұрын

@@wisemechanic1758 i store them in nickel and steel cases too

@wisemechanic1758

3 жыл бұрын

Lol me too

I don't care that the ATF reads this, but I got so turned on when you flashed your primers at us...then you closed the lid and I was let down.

With the price of primers these days I keep mine stored in a zip lock bag in my toilet tank. Thieves won't look there and in case of a fire they won't burn!!!

@elvisammo

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent idea!😂😀😁🤪

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Ya cant store what ya cant get.....

Sorry brother, I love your videos but your logic is flawed in this case. A cooler is horrible unless it's in a temperature controlled space. If a cooler changes temp from hot to cold and back.. it will fill with water due to condensation. Not trying to be rude, just letting you know. Peace

I use old school lockers with the louvered doors to secure my primers and powder. They are in a climate controlled location so I have all my stuff in wooden boxes in separate lockers