Your the man Greg thanks so much for the info. I really enjoy and appreciate everything your doing to help novice coaches like myself.

This was a great topic and video! Thanks

Great points!!

"You gotta move on with your life, and gain experience."

I have a question about bar contact in the snatch for taller lifters. I have long arms and a very short torso so I can only get the bar to contact above my pubic bone with significant arm bend, full retraction and collar to collar grip (I'm 6ft1), even whilst doing halting snatch deadlifts. Otherwise it will smash my pubic bone. Is high upper thigh Contact (just below my pubic bone) acceptable in the case?

What are the most reliable ways to determen intensity in a good progression for the olympic lift variations, for example in a 4-6 week block?

@CatalystAthletics

4 жыл бұрын

Learning from successful coaches' programs and experimentation with yourself or your lifters over time. Ultimately you want to rely primarily on a given lifter's historical performances in absolute terms to guide future prescriptions rather than non-individualized guidelines.

I think ur being overly harsh. I agree it has limitations, but there are uses especially for the “non experienced” athlete. To be able to write ur own plan u need alot of experience. For someone who is starting out and is looking for a general guide, its great. If not this chart, what other chart would u suggest? Btw, just discovered ur channel. Im enjoying it man. Keep it up.

@CatalystAthletics

4 жыл бұрын

That's not harsh, it's realistic. I explained exactly what the limitations are - and there are quite a few, and that means that its value is limited. I didn't say it was completely worthless. There are no charts I recommend because such a tool will always have inherent limitations - that's the point. You have to gain experience to become better at writing programming. A beginner starts with simple things like this chart and over time learns more, and inevitably learns that such things have limited utility.

@IvanDjuric300

4 жыл бұрын

Catalyst Athletics yeh u r right. But everything has limitations. The best thing is to have a coach watching u perform every rep. But who has that. Only a small percentage of people. Most people are like me, in their shed/garage trying to get better or fitter or whatever the case might be. And when I wanna hit 70% i just walk over, have a look and get the ball park figure of where i have to be for volume. Its very far from optimal training in many respects coz its not individual tailored enough etc. but since most people fit under the fat portion of the bell curve ie beginners, its use is significant. Because those people have no idea and they make the majority. So when i beginner asks me what reps,sets, I just point to the chart and say START here.

@CatalystAthletics

4 жыл бұрын

@@IvanDjuric300 OK... so then what are you going to do in order to actually get past this point of not actually knowing what you're doing? And more specifically to the point, what makes you believe, based on everything I explained about the origins of this chart, that the figures you're getting from it are optimal? You keep emphasizing that you and those you're focused on are beginners, and yet this chart was derived from the training of world class competitive weightlifters - athletes with totally different tolerances and needs for training stimulus.

@IvanDjuric300

4 жыл бұрын

Catalyst Athletics Eventually ur gonna know what ur doing through experience. Trial n error. The chart is percentage based right. The chart is not asking a noob to snatch 200kg. Its saying do a percentage for this much volume. 5x5 at 70% is what alot of beginner and intermediate programs prescribe. The chart agrees. The data might have been attained from top athletes but nothing on the chart seems crazy too hard for a beginner. How would u improve the chart if u refute it this much? My point is there isnt anything better out there. It has limitations, i agree, but there is more upside then not.

@CatalystAthletics

4 жыл бұрын

@@IvanDjuric300 Yes, chart is % based, and the affect, tolerance, and ability of % varies with level of athlete; same is true for volume. My point is not that it can't be a starting point - my point is not to lend it more value than it actually has. Get out and read more sources, experience more training programs, etc.

What about RPE training for olympic weightlifting?

@CatalystAthletics

4 жыл бұрын

Useful at least at times and with certain lifters. But you still have to know your target volumes and intensities (even though the latter is more subjective) for a given lifter at a given time, and know how to modulate those things over the course of any time period.

It's a tool, not a program. Of course it's not enough to create a weightlifting program. But I found it very useful in estimating the amount of volume I need for my strength work especially (squats, pulls, presses, etc)

@CatalystAthletics

4 жыл бұрын

Didn't claim it was a program, but I did explain very clearly why, as a tool, its utility is marginal at best. And do you know that the volume you're finding with it is actually optimal for you at any given time in a training cycle? Absolutely not, because that table not only has zero relation to you as an individual, but not even to those lifts you're using it for. So if it's producing the optimal volume, it's essentially by chance.

@karfa87

Жыл бұрын

it work for mee too. normaly if you know what you doing. you dont put 4 rep on 89 for shure( if you know what you doing). i can bet if you gave me some of catalist program if is good you will find this chart

Can I have your opinion about relative intensity and using a max rep chart as guideline? For example if an athlete in 1 week in a mesocycle have back squats for 70% of one rep max, for 3x8 reps. A max rep chart may say that in average you should be able to do about 80% for 8 reps. And then count out by dividing 70% with 80%. The result in relative intensity 87,5%. The purpose beeing if you in week two bump up to 75% of your one rep max, but for example only doing 6 reps. 75% divided by 85% from the max rep chart gives relative intensity to 88%. The weight is heavier but the reps is less. So relatively we have been doing minimal change from week one to week two. Are there any sense in this way of thinking or does it rely on to many uncertain factors?

@CatalystAthletics

4 жыл бұрын

That has to be the most confusing, convoluted approach imaginable. Max rep charts have all the same problems I discussed here - there's a huge range or capacity for reps at a given % of 1RM for many reasons - neurological efficiency (both genetic and due to training style), speed/explosiveness, etc. So it makes no sense to prescribe weights based on it other than as a very loose INITIAL guideline for a lifter who's never done that rep range before. Beginning lifters should be using subjective intensity most of the time anyway, not objective - they don't have accurate 1RMs on top of all the other problems. In your example, on week 1, feel out a weight that's moderate for 3x8. Next week, add some more to make it a bit more challenging. Week 3 work to an 8RM. Now you've just done 3 productive weeks of squat training and have established a real 8RM that you can then use to guide future weight selections.

@eppene

4 жыл бұрын

Catalyst Athletics thank you for a complementary answer. It confirms what I thought that it would be, as you say, a very loose initial guideline. 👍🏼

I have no idea what Prilepin's table you know in US but original Russian includes both pulls and squats in it

@CatalystAthletics

4 жыл бұрын

Shown here - www.catalystathletics.com/article/2229/Prilepins-Table-for-Olympic-Weightlifting/ We have access to a fair amount of translated Soviet research/literature from the 60s-80s, so we have reams of figures on volume/intensity ranges for competition and other lifts, but none of that is associated with what's commonly referred to as Prilepin's Table. Even in the case of those being included, that only takes care of one of the several issues I take with it.

i have a training with olimpic lifter who actualy been on stage and was couched from good coaches. and guess what avl9t of this chart was found in there. reps, sets, total volume. and guess what he is not from old soviet republics. so treining it chanchet with time but not that much for this chart dont work. if you know what you are doing even with this chart for guidnes will get you there. but nothing like coach with you ( sorry for my english)

Not that popular with the powerlifting community - at least not anymore. It only really had any relevance in the first place because of Louie Simmons (of Westside Barbell) and his effort to integrate Soviet-style Olympic weightlifting principles into powerlifting. As the popularity of the Westside method has waned, so has the idea of Prilipen’s chart being a useful tool.

@CatalystAthletics

4 жыл бұрын

Good.