I’m ford forever. My 2014 rocks. Pulls 18500 lbs toy hauler no problem. Again guys buy what you love. No need to trash other brands. That is why there is choice. Cheers

@hreindustries

3 жыл бұрын

gay diesel < tractor engine

I’m a fan of you and Paul. You both have solid points. My work truck 6.7 F-350 My personal truck 6.7 3500 Ram They have both been in the shop for service work. They have both pulled 15-18k trailers They are both good trucks. Fords faster Cummins is more fuel efficient Cummins does pull at lower RPM and the exhaust brake works better. Aisin runs cooler. Ford has much better steering wheel feel, lighter, tighter, smoother. I like the FX4 with the locking rear diff option. Ford rides and handles better. Ram feels more stout for work in my opinion. I love both trucks you can’t go wrong with either one. Get whatever has better costumer service reputation in you local area. Because they all have issues here and their.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Jimmy4x4 Socal Great into coming from owner of both. Thank you.

@Pilot545

4 жыл бұрын

I think this has to be the most objective comment I’ve seen on any Ford vs Ram videos. Un-emotional. You really nailed it about local dealerships. They make all the difference on an owner’s experience because I don’t care WHAT brand car or truck you buy, you WILL be taking it in for something over the course of ownership (of any length of time).

@hamishj.6076

4 жыл бұрын

Great comment Jimmy. Thanks.

@jimmyaber5920

4 жыл бұрын

Too much worry on trans temp. Pretty much everyone worries about engine temps, oil temps, and trans temps like they were driving 1969 trucks, not 2019 models. Aisin in Rams have a few more failures than 6 speed Torqshifts in Fords so the higher fluid temps seem to not be an issue.

@mattreb5748

4 жыл бұрын

Ford will last 2x as long

Cool videos man just bought a 2019 f250 powerstroke for myself couldn’t be happier with how it pulls and drives

I am a ford lover and I really like pd diesel been a fan for at least 3years But I believe in my fords

I run cummins Brand on my big rigs 4 of them to be exat . Bought a 2014 ram 4500 for my hot shot TRL and it fell apart on us after 40,000 miles , Never again !! Constant derates , took it into the shop on a regular basis for Dpf DEF issues, brakes went out at 30,000 mi and the cab was noisy and plastics making noise on dirt roads. Now we have 2017 F450 and ZERO problems

I have the same truck you're towing with in this video. Gotta say I've never towed that much with my f250 ...But watching your video ....I'm kind of impressed with what it's capable off

Thanks for that video! I have always had ford trucks and I'm sticking with them, they are great trucks, I like how they are built last a long long time! And the powerstroke and Cummins make the tq at the same rpm, same with the power so they should be pretty close to the same tow rpm.

I appreciate you doing this. According to him, no one is harder on a truck than he is. He’s always talking about towing parachutes and off roading with a gooseneck behind him. He’s not even towing with weight heavy enough to require a dually but apparently he’s the authority in hotshot trucking.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Highball 734 Hahahahaha if he only seen half the things I have done with my trucks during snow storms and shit.

You esteblish the fact ! Agree with you assessment .👍

Great video buddy 😊👍I knew it wouldn’t run above 3000 on a hill! The “Cummins better low end Torque and pulls better at lower rpm” was true before 6.7 Power Stroke came out but 6.7 Cummins and 6.7 Power Stroke are designed both with peak torque at 1800 rpm and peak hp at 2800 rpm and therefore respond almost exactly the same with a load on a hill. I honestly don’t think a 6.7 Cummins would’ve done any better or different because their “more low end torque” is only below 1500 rpm and then only slightly higher torque per rpm and after 1500 the 6.7 Power Stroke has a better torque per rpm especially after 1800 the Cummins torque curve abruptly falls off whereas the Power Stroke holds almost full torque till peak hp at 2800 rpm

@lw6735

4 жыл бұрын

mtrujillo1973 Hey man I know what ya mean Cummins is definitely overrated and they can’t stand to see the 6.7 Power Stroke besting the Cummins Lol 😆

I have a 2017 f450 and tow a 45' toy hauler all over North America and my never jumps up and down on gears I don't have any complaints, towed all kinds of speeds and hills. Love my truck👍

I'm a cummins guy buy what you want it's your money not anyone else's... I always tell people test drive each one and buy what you like.. vs what someone tells you to buy

It’s going to be interesting with the 2020 models with the new 10 speed

@moldcos21

4 жыл бұрын

Ford won in 2020 too. Case closed!

@josephcraig765

3 жыл бұрын

I have one and it’s great. However I had them turn off the adaptive shifting crap now she’s a dream.

Like the video. I get it that Paul talks a lot about his trucks and he must be doing something right since he keeps his business going with the Cummins. I have been up that Columbia river run he does in his videos and never saw anything like that in Nova Scotia. Comparing hills to mountains.

Good video bro. Nice setup you have👍🏽

Love the videos man!

Haven’t seen the video yet but I’m just gonna say this man will prolly prove pd diesel power wrong!

@samsonreynolds3728

4 жыл бұрын

Trailspeed703 easy to make big power in a diesel if you cheat the emissions. www.caranddriver.com/news/a15064420/ford-faces-4-2-billion-lawsuit-for-allegedly-dirty-f-series-super-duty-diesel/

@lw6735

4 жыл бұрын

Samson Reynolds Lol that lawsuit was back in 2018 and never went anywhere because it wasn’t valid😁That law firm is going after every vehicle manufacturer trying to line their own pockets 🤷‍♂️😂Ram is the 1 that cheated for real on the Eco Diesel and that did go through because it was valid and lots of people are pretty upset with em too😤😉

@samsonreynolds3728

4 жыл бұрын

mtrujillo1973 2019 truck of the year?

Thanks for a real world review.

What size tires are on your f250? Just bought a used limited 2019 and want to keep it stock as possible and love those wheels, what are they?

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

They are actually the factory 20” inch wheels. I run 35/12.5/20 tires. Factory are 34.1 so not much higher but a bit wider. Gives it a nicer stance.

@ContainingLuxury

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome thank you! Surprised you don’t have more subscribers, most informative f250 vs f350 comparison I could find and then came across this one trying to find out how the F250 would handle towing 15k-18k lbs here and there... going to add the bags for sure! And will subscribe :)

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Containing Luxury Haha awesome man thanks. Actually just traded that truck l on a on new 2020 350. Crazy power difference.

Thanks for the video. I also didn't think the Powerstroke would have too much trouble pulling weight up a grade. I mean Ford wouldn't be foolish enough to make an engine and tranny that wouldn't be able to pull it off. The main thing that I know for sure the Cummins has over the PSD is fuel economy while towing. Also, I cannot stand ppl who pass you to get in front, then slow down. Sometimes when they do that, I turn my high beams on and creep up a feet or 2 behind them (yes I know I shouldn't do that but they shouldn't be pulling off that crap either)

Setting the record straight, I like it...

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Senol ?

Too bad you didn't have the Darenger I/dash on this run. Love your videos. Thank you and God bless!

100% ford fan!! And i love pd diesel but this video proved him wrong thanks for the AWESOME VIDEO brother

@samsonreynolds3728

4 жыл бұрын

tyson b13 easy to make big power in a diesel if you cheat the emissions. www.caranddriver.com/news/a15064420/ford-faces-4-2-billion-lawsuit-for-allegedly-dirty-f-series-super-duty-diesel/

@871jamie

4 жыл бұрын

Cummins is king, Period!

I'm pro-diesel period; i feel ALL the big heavy duty diesel pickups are incredible machines today. Super reliable, seemingly endless pulling power, and optional interiors that would make a loaded Benz blush. Yes the I6 is a better foundation for towing period-- why do so many Semi tractors use the I6 layout??? It's proven out to be the ideal layout for towing, reliability, and fuel economy over decades. That being said--- the V8's are FAST; even stock, reliable of course- but they don't achieve the fuel economy of a Cummins, not are they as efficient while towing heavy loads.. They're an ideal foundation for a drag truck, or a stoplight scrapper; even a solid sport truck; responding great to mods. Yeah, there are fast Cummins I6's-- they're not hard to get serious speed from either-- but from the factory -- even with their torque advantage-- towing is the name of the game, priority 1. If I had my way, I would drive a different brand heavy duty diesel pickup every week, and rotate. They're all bad ass.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Alan Sasek Hahaha Yeah man that would be the dream life!

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

mtrujillo1973 There will always be the “Cummins is the best” guys no matter what the facts are.

Excellent video

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Eddie's Life Hey Thanks man! Enjoying the Ram videos. Shitty you had that sent. That stuff happens to me all the time. I am on the fence of trading my 250 in for a 19 Ram 3500. Love the way the engine felt when I had that one home.

I think his major experience pulling with Powerstrokes is with the 7.3 liter. The big things he watches are the trans, oil and coolant temps. It appears that the cooler the engine stays pulling heavy the longer the life of the motor.

@howiefeltersnatch5048

4 жыл бұрын

heat amd vibration kill machines thats why the cummin I6 configuration is so durable much less vibration

Fords are my favorite. Looks awesome, love the mirrors and interior.

Good video man

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Tow Piglet Hey I think I have seen a few of your too. You have a 2019 red 3500 DRW right?

Great video man. Gotta come to B.C. we have hills lol! That’s interesting about the transmission temps. I have never noticed my 07 6.0 go above 190 or so but I do have a banks torque converter in it. I’m frequently pushing 26,000lbs combined with it. I made one long trip with a load that was around 24k combined when it was stock and fairly new and it did seem to run hotter but I didn’t have any gauges. I’ve since installed the full banks power pack, banks brake and water methanol. Everything has been done to the engine, heads fire ringed, studded, oil cooler, egr delete etc. With those kinds of loads my water and oil temps with often be up around 212 when working it hard but my trans temp stay around 170-180ish for the most part. There are a few short but really steep hills around 18% when pulling an 18-19k trailer that will cause my trans temp to push up to 190-192 or so and once it’s up there is stays there until I stop driving or don’t work the truck

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Gravy Train Outdoors Man I would love to see a video and some pictures of that truck and the engine.

@gravytrainoutdoors

4 жыл бұрын

workplaytv I posted a short video a little while back towing a ridiculously heavy dump trailer up a short little hill. I had my guys load the trailer at a job site and they overloaded it and then didn’t tarp it over the weekend and of course it rained. I was shocked at my scale ticket when I got to the dump :/ I should do some videos. I also run Rickson wheels 19.5” rims and Toyo M608Z tires in 285/70R19.5” what a difference compared to the stock 20” tires and rims. I’m thinking about installing a Garret Powermax turbo but I’m not sure if it will be worth it. The factory fuel system is only good for about 500rwhp and I’m milking all she has. The water methanol adds a lot of power under boost. I haven’t dyno’d it but it probably add another 100hp and 175ft-lbs. It’s a different kind of power than adding more air/fuel. It’s less noticeable. It makes the truck pull like it’s not under load rather than it being like you’re hammering on it up a hill. It’s enough that with the factory tires and rims when I would punch it it would spin the tires on the rims. Power is definitely addictive! The trick is doing it safely

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Gravy Train Outdoors Damn that sounds like a hell of s rig. I’ll have to check out that video!

I honestly think any of the big 3 will do what you want them to, especially if you are brand loyal. I personally am partial to the Cummins, but don’t really care what others drive.

@dallasjayden582

2 жыл бұрын

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@byronbenicio5268

2 жыл бұрын

@Dallas Jayden Flixportal xD

@dallasjayden582

2 жыл бұрын

@Byron Benicio Thanks, I signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :) I really appreciate it !

@byronbenicio5268

2 жыл бұрын

@Dallas Jayden happy to help =)

Great video

Bad to the bone brother keep up the awesome work

I also was thinking getting a ram but you remind me why my family only drives Ford.

Hey your comment of a transmission constantly up shifting/downshifting happens. I have a Ram 1500 that does it when I tow my 16’ enclosed trailer. On the other hand my Cummins 6.7 3500 doesn’t even know it’s pulling anything. Both in the same condition on the same highway. So I can understand just because your truck doesn’t do it doesn’t mean another truck won’t. Great content

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Casper services Your 1500 does it because it is gas. All gas engines do that. Diesels do not.

Good size hill and it's doing what its supposed to do

Great video! Tuesday I will try to make a video as I tow 20-21000 through the hills of Pa with my F350 and see if I can figure out how to post it lol. But yea my truck acts just like what I saw yours doing.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin Oakes Would love to see that!

@klo910

4 жыл бұрын

workplaytv wasn’t able to do a video today not sure how to start and stop without starting a new video so I need to get that figured out. Truck did excellent had great low end and didn’t see 3 k unless going down a mountain. Most of the time it’s under 2k unless starting from a dead stop and I get in the throttle to get up to speed then 25-2800 rpm. I was grossing 29860. Was hoping I could post the picture on the scales but I can’t figure that out either lol.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin Oakes Haha you will get it after awhile would love to see it. You need an editing program to put a few videos together into one video

@klo910

4 жыл бұрын

workplaytv yea I will have to get it figured out I definitely want to post some stuff! Did going 35 in tires take away any pulling power? I would like to put them on but don’t wanna loose any towing power!

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin Oakes Nah I don’t notice a difference at all!

Wow 4.88 gears? Damn those are beast

I'm a Cummins guy, but I must say I'm impressed. Thank you for being open minded and educated on the subject. My next question would be is the 6.7 PS going to be a high mileage engine? Time will tell I suppose...

@joshszydel8202

4 жыл бұрын

Several out there with over 500,000 miles.

@jaydeek3269

4 жыл бұрын

My 6.7 bottom end went 250k f550 wrecker.. used for mostly cars... 2013

Years ago Cummins towed the best hands down now days power stroke will pull a trailer up to speed faster just facts I own a 6.7 Cummins I've towed with all can't beat the powerstroke

@travis10ist

4 жыл бұрын

Unbiased Opinion definitely agree 100%. When I used work oil field such as towing and other since 2014. Powerstroke definitely better and pull quicker. Cummins still reliable engine just not the quickest there is.

Great video. I love my truck, but I don't think you can go wrong with any of the new HD diesel platforms. All preform incredibly well even when compared to just 10 years ago.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Monster RAM Oh yeah man a crazy amount has changed in 10 years

Good job

I know the 2017-19 and up 6.7 don’t hit 3,500-4K rpms because drive our company truck my work that tows our gooseneck all the time and I’ve never seen it go that high. Plus TFLtruck maxes out the towing weight on the new super duty’s on the Ike highway out in Colorado and they’ve never hit 4K rpms usually stays around 2-3k rpms at full throttle usually down in around 3rd gear.

Now days these trucks are all super nice and as always it comes d oh em to your preference just like I phone or android. Just enjoy it and be happy we have such nice stuff just like todays fire arms there are some damn nice pistols out there and you know what wee lucky to be living in a time that has nice things I am a Ruger guy but I love seeing these other guns coming out it makes everyone that much better. You need to be on your A game and that’s what it is all about

I believe we are talking about what creates longevity in a motor. Both engines have plenty of power and do well at towing. But, inline engines like to lug and make torque comfortably at low rpm. This equates to not shifting and keeping rpms low. Less rotation (rpm) means less wear and fuel consumed over the lifetime of a truck serving in a fleet. This does vary with the operator and his or her demands and leads to different rates of wear and fuel consumed. That right foot input can result in vastly different experiences over the trucks life. Also people can be picky and biased with limited experience, but some generalizations can be made here about diesel reliability, ease of repair, longevity, etc, But by no means are your experiences going to be the same. In the end, both Ram and Ford can impress and also piss you off. I've been royally bent over by the Ford 6.0 so off to shop Ram I go. I love diesel content and like what you both do. Keep it up and don't take it too personally as experiences vary. Also, we have the diesel power wars but more importantly we have now entered an awesome transmission wars period that will really benefit owners, and a place Dodge has had many complaints before the Aisin and even with it. Looks like we have more transmission variants to look forward to soon. Thank you both for giving us your experiences.

Bravo. Well done. I know I always say it but I have owned both and towed same load a bunch with both not as heavy but travel trailers tow different cause of wind and drag. I found my tuned Cummins towed same as my 19 Powerstroke. Noticed my Powerstroke likes to tow a little faster if I set cruise at 70 it almost never downshifts. But I don't understand people's problems with downshifting it seems like that's what a trans is supposed to do keep the motor in its power band. Lugging a Motor below powerband seems like it wouldn't be good for anything.

@Kevin-lm9ex

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I had a 60hp tow tune. I also had a tuned ecoboost and my superduty is first trick that I have had no desire to touch. The ram was just terrible was like driving a milk truck detuned. Congrats on truck

I'm a Dodge man Cummins and Hemi are King in my book , That's my opinion other's like different trucks and that's cool also.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Bo Salvucci Couldn’t agree more. Bothers me when people just decide to talk bullshit about the other brands just because. It’s like they own the company or something. Haha

I think he had q video on the ford. In April 2019 I replaced my 2003 F350 drw with a 2015 RAM 3500 DRW. 330k miles. Had choice of Ford or Rqm. I chose the mega cab over fords crew cab. I'm pretty happy except for the steering box.

I have an F550 6.7 Powerstroke service truck at work and I own a ‘14 Ram 3500 with the 6.7 Cummins. I think what PD is trying to say is the redline rpm starts at 3000 rpm and no matter what I’ve pulled or how I drive it will not get above 3000 rpm. The Powerstoke when you stick your foot to the floor it will get to a higher rpm (“screaming” as PD says). I know there is a big gearing difference between the two but IMHO the Ram pulls a lot nicer and it’s quieter.

Sweet vid bruh!

Good video

I have a 2019 F350 CC w/6.7 and it tows just like yours. I’m not sure why Paul made those comment either.

Just subscribed like both you guys. Like both trucks. Ford will always push the limits to design, capability, durability, longevity. All fans of different brands will benefit as all other brands will try to hit the bar Ford sets.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Matt Fischer You bet buddy.

@jacobsebastien3910

4 жыл бұрын

Agree' Ford 💪

I'd have to lean towards price difference as being the number 1 reason you see so many ram trucks.. Cummins is a great engine.. It's the package it comes in that is sub par...

I have own both trucks. The Cummins shifts down just as much as the psd. I have a f350 2020 ordered with the new 10 speed I have a feeling that it will make the pad out pull the Cummins until ran gets a 10 speed. It’s kinda of funny how everyone wines about shifting down. I remember pulling loads with a 6.9 idi. Then the 5.9 in 94 150hp

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Deere Zilla Yeah either getting a 2020 350 or a 19 Ram 3500. Be nice to try out either truck with the upgraded engines.

If this is in Nova Scotia , I will click subscribe

I like to Power Stroke it longtime than prematurely Cummins :P

I might have missed it, but the Ram mirrors flip vertical for towing as well

I really like how ford doesn’t give you a high output option, their standard diesel is “high output” and that’s a really good thing for people who need a basic truck with a good amount of power. And chevy does this too which is one of the few things they can do right.

@natehawkins2910

4 жыл бұрын

Trailspeed703 And don’t forget that Ram still has the 68RFE as well as Aisin Japanese tranny. Why on earth they didn’t build ONE good 8 or 10 speed and have ONE high output engine only, I’ll never understand. The idea of building your own subpar tranny and buying a decent one is dumb. Use the same factory that builds 68 RFE and tool it to build twice as many of one good one. No one buys a Ram just because of Aisin ...but the Ford and Duramax joint building the new HD 10-spd is genius. One factory building for two separate manufacturers...one good Tranny. Super efficient and profitable!

@lw6735

4 жыл бұрын

Neo Craft Actually that’s true for the 10r80 torqshift and 10L80 Chevy that Ford and Chevy use in the half ton trucks but they each build their own HD 10 speed separate according to Ford and Chevy Tech guys...even though they can each use whatever ideas they want off the jointly built half ton 10 speed but the 10R140 Torqshift and the 10 speed Allison 1000 look totally different

@samsonreynolds3728

4 жыл бұрын

Neo Craft Ram out sells Chevy right now so sounds like ‘no one buy Ram because of the Aisin’ is bullshit

@trailspeed7037

4 жыл бұрын

Samson Reynolds lol heavy duty buyers want solid front axle instead of ifs.

@samsonreynolds3728

4 жыл бұрын

mtrujillo1973 I have a 5500 work truck bitch. Every job site has only ram and ford chassis cabs no bullshit Isuzu’s

V8 diesels will have to shift more because they make more power at high revs . Where as a straight 6 diesel or Cummins in this comparison has more torque down on the low end, therefore it will be able to hold its speed without shifting or searching for gears less. You will definitely Find that the v8 diesels will shift more like a gas motor and they are quicker off the line. But the straight 6 will hold a gear longer going up a grade because that’s where the low end torque comes in. Your most likely not really going to notice unless your at or close to your max tow rating.

@jasonhumphrey8891

4 жыл бұрын

I've had both and the inline 6 shifted the same as the v8 no truck is gonna tow everything in 6th gear with no downshifting....the v8 is just plain fun to drive.... the inline 6 was a slug in comparison,,,the Cummins torque curve actually falls off sooner than the powerstroke and they both hit peak torque around 1600-1800 rpm.. the powerstroke has a flat torque curve which is good...I don't know why everyone assumes the v8 diesels have to scream to get work done and shift like crazy...yes the Cummins is more efficient by design but they dropped it in a shitty truck, the trucks are starting to rust badly after 4-5 years and I don't live in the rust belt either

@itchytriggerfinger7622

4 жыл бұрын

Jason Humphrey I have a 04 3rd gen I disagree with just about everything you have said. The Cummins makes torque on the low end where your v8 diesels make more of there power on the top end. I am going to call BS. And I live in a very snowy state, in Utah they Salt the hell out of the roads here and mine still looks great. Another BS moment. Another thing I need to laugh at you ford guys. You say they are shit trucks, but here in Utah I still see 1st and second gens all over. By your logic they should have all fell apart by now, Right? To each their own I guess. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@jasonhumphrey8891

4 жыл бұрын

@@itchytriggerfinger7622 exactly everyone has a different experience...my ram was a pile but yours may not be.. I'll have a v8 you can have a inline 6...

@itchytriggerfinger7622

4 жыл бұрын

Jason Humphrey Yup. I never owned any Fords, reason? I have known to many friends and family that have had nothing but problems with them. I personally think Fords are junk. I have worked on them in my dads shop, and they were a nightmare to work on. I will most likely never own one. I like to work on my own stuff and having experience working on Fords, I will never own one for that reason alone. Just pop the hood on both trucks, you will see what I mean.

@jasonhumphrey8891

4 жыл бұрын

@@itchytriggerfinger7622 oh I know the v8 diesels were made to get worked on at the dealership

Love the Ford 6.7 powerstroke, but they are so crammed under the hood when time comes to work on them. Have owned Fords my whole life and just purchased a Ram Cummins and its been great so far. I think the Ford has the better transmission and Ram the better engine. Either way you can't go wrong with any of the big three trucks.

I would just keep the 250 really nice truck plus you have the 350 and 550 for work. Rams are good to just no gm products please!

@artiaga1547

4 жыл бұрын

Lot of guys are afraid of that 35,500lb ranked number one in Towing and cost about $15,000 cheaper than the competition!

@waterbuddy92

4 жыл бұрын

@mtrujillo1973 if you point it downhill, ya, it will roll....

Well I read through some of the comments well some of therm all you can say is LOL. Here’s my 2 cents I thought you did a very non bias video when people do a review or give a evaluation on a truck that isn’t a fan of some tend to over exaggerate or most common try to test it up so they can say piece of junk example in my option the PD diesel guy may be more hays on the ford in a review and useinf the truck he may run it harder just because he is t a fan and easier on the Cummins to make it better than what it is per say BUT I will say a Cummins will be a higher mileage engine that the ford because the average RPm will be lower anyways great vid👍

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Smalltown Farmer88 Can’t argue with that as of right now.

Don’t forget you were 10 psi less if you had the maximum psi it would have been even better test. Ford builds tough trucks. Great video thanks

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Nick Freyermuth for sure man! Thanks

In May my son in law and I both towed 9000 lbs from Bliss Idaho to Cheyenne Wyoming. I had a 2017 Ram 3500 and he had a 2017 F450. They both got just under 9mpg and both cruised at 75mph. The only difference was he was running 2500rpm and I was running 1800rpm. It’s all in what you like. What’s funny is I’m a Ford guy, and he likes Ram.

People are bias and lie about other brands to make themselves feel better . One guy I know was a diehard Cummins guy . He has a Ford now and he says it out tows his dodge hands down I’ve heard this from a few people 🤷‍♂️

Thanks for vedio But it was dark i couldn't see the rpm except lilistening what you said

What is the Pin weight and what type of airbags are you using?

The Cummins and powerstroke comparison is bunk. The ford makes 935lbft at 1800rpm and the Cummins(2018) is 930lbft at 1800rpm. The horsepower is far off Ford has 450hp@2800=844lbft. Ram has 385hp@2800rpm is 722lbft/ even the new 400hp is only 750lbft at 2800rpm. It drives me nuts when people say”the Cummins does it with less revs”. The gearing in the Austin is less ideal than the Ford Ford. Ram. 3.97. 1st. 3.75 2.32. 2nd 2.00 1.52. 3rd. 1.34 1.15. 4th. 1.00 0.86. 5th. 0.77 0.67. 6th. 0.63. Given both trucks have the same 4.10(DRW) axle ratios the Ford has more available torque(which is power) to do the job. Above the more power the gearing multiplies the torque better to the axle. 935lbft x 3.97:1= 3711lbft at the driveshaft then x 4.10 = 15218lbft at 1800rpm in 1st gear 930lbft x 3.75:1= 3487lbft x 4.10:1 axle =14298@ 1800 in 1st. Same applies in 4th gear. 935lbft x 1.15 x 4.10= 4408lbft to the wheels for the Ford 930lbft x 1.00 x 4.10= 3813lbft to the wheels for the Ram, what I find funny is the “1000lbft” engine and Aisin barely out doo the current 935 PSD w/6spd. 1000lbft x 3.75 x 4.10= 15375lbft at the wheels(1st gear). In 4th gear there is no advantage/ because 400hp@2800rpm is only 750lbft(400hp x 5252/2800rpm=750lbft). So 750lbft x 1.00:1 x 4.10= 3075lbft(4th gear@2800rpm) Vs the Ford 450hp(450hp@2800 is 844lbft) 844lbft x 1.15:1 x 4.10= 3979lbft at the axle. So anyone that says a lower power(torque) Ram pulls better is on crack. Math supports the fact the stronger Ford output wins. Supplanted by the gearing. Gear for gear the torque shift is better tor towing(better multiplication until 6th gear) just waiting for the the 10speed gear ratios and the power outputs of the new Powerstroke. The Duraturd with the 10spd and 910lbft, out do the 1000lbft Cummins w/6spd 910lbft x 4.70:1(1st gear) = 4277lbft@ driveshaft vs 1000lbft x 3.75:1 = 3750lbft. A GM with a 3.42:1 axle is dumping 14627lbft to the wheels vs Ram’s 15375lbft w/4.10(3.75:1 1st gear)/ i doubt Gm is going to force a 3.42:1 down their customers DRW throats lol

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

jnk26 Hahaha damn man that was a a lot of info! Bug very relevant. Can’t wait to try the 10 speed on my 2020.

I think what PD Diesel was saying is that when he runs his RAM 3500, on the flats he tows in the 1500 - 1800 rpm, and when he goes up a grade, say a 6 - 7% grade, he is seeing 2100 - 2200 RPM. With the Ford on a 5,6, 7% grade that's when he was seeing 3000+ rpm.

do you know which diesel i buy? The one with the nicest interior. Both Dodge and Ford pull good. Before I drove a power stroke, now i am in a 2019 ram 2500 limited cummins. When ford ups there game and surpasses Dodge in the interiors, I will buy another Ford. Ford has always been light years ahead of other truck brands since 2004 on the interiors, now they have lost that trophy to dodge. The interior is where i spend my time in the truck. These trucks are all capable.

@ardaaytekin

3 жыл бұрын

I guess your wish came true, ford just really upped their game with 2021 model year

@acreageliving

3 жыл бұрын

@@ardaaytekin yes i agree! But only so far with the F150s not the super duty's from what i see online. Ram also upped their game though and got rid of the CP4 in the diesels. Huge bonus. I have seen pics of the redesign for the super duty coming if they are real, looks very nice. Not sure if nicer than the Ram though but may be worth going back to. Seats look better! Rams leather on the luxury models is amazing though too. Will be a hard decision, have to see it in person first! I do think the bigger screen horizontally how Ford did it, makes more sense

i cant say with the 2019 cummins, but i can say with the previous generation cummins, in our area(since u know i live in NB) i have towed 27k with a 3500 cummins dually similar to pauls trucks, as for comparing the trucks the cummins will lumber down and push harder in the lower rpms and hold them longer and grunt the engine alot longer while loosing speed, but once it drops enough speed it drops a gear and start to go to 2600 to 3000 rpms just like a V8 duramax or powerstroke, the V8's do downshift faster than the cummins to get into the horsepower band, in my opinion torque gets u going and horsepower gets you up the hills. end of the day all 3 trucks get the job done, i've seen plenty of all 3 go the distance, i have also seen them with a lot of issues. i tell everyone drive all 3 pick the truck u want and don't be surprised if u have an issue at some point. as for fuel mileage ofc the cummin the cummins does get better mileage and personally its a heavy duty truck i could care less about milage, but in pauls line of work that matters big time.

@claytonblachly4031

4 жыл бұрын

@mtrujillo1973 3000

@shaynewilliams727

4 жыл бұрын

@Kevin Rogers I agree 100% spot on with all of this... I've owned all three recently. The only thing I'll add is the Ford is the best/easiest driving truck unloaded and is still just as capable as the others towing. The Cummins drives like a tractor unloaded with the Cummins inline... But the Cummins also tows at a lower RPM easier but if you want to stand on the Cummins it seems as tho you've already reached max WOT throttle any past 45%.. Kinda like no more to give... The Powerstroke does less with less throttle but has more to give through the linear position of the long pedal... I ended up selling the Cummins and the Dmax... Kept my 2018 Ford as my personal choice favorite. You cannot go wrong with any of the three...All great trucks...

I have (2)16' powerstrokes that i hotshot with for 4 months and when they ran 8 plus hours across the west coast at high speeds hitting mountain passes they would start to shift funny, mainly holding 5th gear. They, also started to get worse fuel economy after 8 hrs of driving at those speeds. But it took extremely long distances at high speeds running 8 plus hours straight to get the fords to act up and get bad fuel economy. Both drivers complained about the same thing. The extremes of hotshotting have nothing to do with pulling a load down the road for a short trip. We run are trucks 6 to 7 weeks straight only turning them off on the 34hr restart, because the driver lives in the back seat and needs either ac or heat to sleep. Running 10,000 to 15,000 miles a month - 550 to 750 miles a day. Honestly, i wouldn't own a ram for my personal use because they are such a rough ride, my wife hates the rough ride of the rams. She likes the Fords.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Dan Kruger Thanks for the comment. Nice to hear from someone in your shoes.

All 3 brands pull hard and hold up.all 3 have emissions misc troubles.ive pull extremely heavy with all 3.ive even pulled with old-school gasers and they pull heavy too just a little slower.

Excellent video Tyson! I don’t know why guys don’t do vids like this all the time. It’s nice to see real world stuff and very fun to watch. Paul is very Ram biased. Guys who are will stretch truths, facts and stories about any other make. I’ve only actually floored my 19 F250 Powerstroke one time (after 21,000 miles) and I don’t think it ever actually even reached 3600 rpm - no tow/empty. There’s no way I could stand the Rams small mirrors, no keypad on the door and no telescope steering wheel. Not sure I could convince myself to go back to a steel body either. Thank you for staying on one topic the whole vid as well. “Some Cummins guys” are very flighty and A.D.D. while filming and it’s annoying to deal with.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Neo Craft Hahah thanks buddy. I try my best not to be biased no matter what it is. I don’t own Ford so it really means nothing to me if the truck did act the way he said but I think people should know the truth.

@LoneWolf-cf5tp

4 жыл бұрын

@Neo Craft Why so jealous of Paul ?

As far as modern diesel hd trucks, I have had, 2005 Cummins h.o. 600, a 2015 f250 6.7 gen 2 and a 2018 f250 6.7 gen 2. I loved my 05 cummins, but the truck 3 grab handles driverside 2 passenger 2 hooks in back, 3 drivers door seals 2 passenger door seals, one steering gear box, it freaking cracked. The 2015 um nothing. My 2017 a rear driverside lock knob that my nephew broke off, and 2 cameras. Now I run a 400 acre farm, plus another ag property and am a deputy in harris county and make extra money doing remodel and building projects plus me and family are gear heads. I only average 30k a year and tend to swap right before a 100k miles. Now my 05 was dead center before bad emissions. I decides I'd push it and roll on. But 3 years in 100k on truck at best buy it was stolen. Taken to Mexico, along with 8 others. Dps caught it coming back across the border. They ran 100 miles plus at over 100 mph with 18 illegals including the bed. They decided to drive through king ranch, not through like you and I liked through gates trees and fences. Border patrol and dps couldn't keep up. After a long search it found wrecked into trees. They drove it out with tires facing different directions and all coolers and radiators ripped open. Then cut apart looking for drugs. Allstate insurance cut me a check for release... I tried half tons modified with air bags. Went back to diesels. So far I know why ford hasn't 80 plus percent of hd market. If I could my new truck with ford and a cummins engine I'd be sold. But I know I only have in new stuff not idi etc. Its not big sample but my experience.

I follow pd also and he does ramble. I believe you proved your point! Thanks for the video, much appreciated. I think maybe his driver must have been towing a container uphill against the wind. LOL I think the big difference is probably the Aisin transmission, probably would have stayed below 190 degrees. At any rate your PowerStroke is only about 500-600 rpm's more.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

L. Mace Yeah they def operate different but the point was it doesn’t act like he said. Lol. Thanks

I have a 2017 F250 with a 6.2L and that powerstroke is very impressive...but I don't haul 17k either lol

nice trucks

I have a 2016 ram4500 Cummins, and a 2016 f550 powerstroke. When they leave my shop they do so with 30k lbs behind them. Ram exhaust brake is better, Ford transmission is better and more predictable. Ram gets better mpg loaded, but the Ford is faster. Ford settles better under hard braking, ram feels like it's going to slide like the weight doesnt transfer properly. I use the ram every day, and the Ford is my backup. Personal truck is 2016 f250 powerstroke. No bias here. Also have a 2012 duramax but it's a service body and feels more like driving a heavy car vs the 2 solid axle trucks.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

JBird117 So with that said out of the 2 you prefer the ram?

@mattreb5748

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think you have enough trunks. Maybe you should throw a Tacoma in the mix

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Matthew Rebecchi Hahaha nah that’s what the FJ is for.

I like how you are honest with your vids. I urge you to watch a specific video from TFL truck. Type in. "2017 Chevy duramax vs Ford powerstroke vs RAM Cummins HD Diesel dyno battle". It will be a video with 3 duallys on there ALL APPLES TO APPLES comparison. It's a dyno video. But watch this video and you will soon see the fudgery that Ford and Chevy do with there hp and torque numbers. No biases just truth. Must watch

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

J F Hey yeah I did see that video and your right it was pretty funny. The only thing about that is you could test another truck and it would have 20 more HP. But yeah they weren’t close.

@knightwing4

4 жыл бұрын

I saw that video and I was surprised.

@jf8564

4 жыл бұрын

@@workplaytv yeah but the chances of that is slim to none. Yes I agree that is possible. But the same could go for the ram too if we are splitting hairs there. But he brotha love watching your vids. Keep em up. And stop pussy footing around and go ahead and get you a real work horse. The Ram 3500 that is.

@lw6735

4 жыл бұрын

J F On that Video Ram lost 12.2% hp from 385 crank to 338 wheel and lost 8% torque from 900 crank to 828 wheel. Ford lost 12% hp from 440 crank to 387 wheel and lost 12.9% torque from 925 crank to 806 wheel and Chevy lost the most through the drivetrain because of a 3.73 axle ratio vs 4.10 on the other 2... Chevy lost 24% hp from 445 crank to 337 wheel and lost 15% torque from 910 crank to 771 wheel. It is not uncommon to lose around 15% of ur crank hp and torque through the drive train on a diesel truck. The factory numbers are Crank hp and torque and dyno numbers are wheel hp which is always 10-15% less than crank and more than that with a 3.73 rear like the Chevy had. It’s not that any of them were lying necessarily if you study the facts 😊Firepunk put his 2019 Ram high output on the dyno and it lost 10.4% torque through the drivetrain from 1000 crank to 897 at the wheel (dyno)

@jf8564

4 жыл бұрын

@@lw6735 I'm well aware of the difference between BHP and wheel hp. Just trying to make a point that Ford and Chevy bump there numbers up just to say best I class when in fact they are not. To add to that Ford sucks I've owned them and done with it. Chevy runs in my blood Literally... I can get the GM discount and all but yet I dont because Ram is a superior truck and theres nothing anyone can tell because I have owned and worked the holy dog mess out of them and the Rams kick ass on every aspect I appreciate your break down but again I am not totally ignorant to the difference and the fact is the Ram still loss less then the Ford and Chevy no matter how you want to twist or turn or try to explain it. But thanks for the reply.

Been doing it for 30 years

PD Diesel is a Cummins guy and that’s cool but the new Fords are just as good I think your proving that with the three trucks you have. All of the big three trucks are really good now it’s really a matter of preference at this point. I prefer Ford because I build Super Dutys and I can tell you the 2020 is even better

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

doug matheny Hey awesome sounds like you are a great guy to know! Have any secret hp and torque numbers yet? Haha

@dougmatheny854

4 жыл бұрын

@@workplaytv the info is so secret that only the senior engineers know what the numbers are but I can tell you for sure it will be above 1000 ft/lbs. But we're making a lot of Improvements on brakes, frame and technology that will be class leading as well

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

doug matheny Like the sounds of that!

@natehawkins2910

4 жыл бұрын

doug matheny Have you gotten to drive one? I have a 19 f250 Lariat diesel and *love* the 6-spd...curious if having the 10 shifts are annoying to drive unloaded?

@dougmatheny854

4 жыл бұрын

@@natehawkins2910 the new tranny is really good if you like the 6 speed you will love the 10 speed

After owning a 2002,2011,2013,2016,2018 and a 2019 F350 King Ranch Ultimate dually that caught fire. I'm done with Ford. Was hit on passenger side and it caught fire inside the cab on driver side almost trapping me inside during an accident. Use caution when traveling with children especially if they are strapped in to baby carrier or car seats. I would post pics here if I knew how.

I don't think a ram would do a bit better. Absolute beast.

@samsonreynolds3728

4 жыл бұрын

Brad Price easy to make big power in a diesel if you cheat the emissions. www.caranddriver.com/news/a15064420/ford-faces-4-2-billion-lawsuit-for-allegedly-dirty-f-series-super-duty-diesel/

@jjackman2032

4 жыл бұрын

@@samsonreynolds3728 you just going to go post this on everyone's comment?

Man, I feel for you. I have a weak spot tolerating drivers who’s passing you over just to slow you down a minute later. Down hill. With a trailer. Should I call them idiots?

@workplaytv

3 жыл бұрын

You can call them whatever you want! Lol

You should wait for the 2020 superduty with the 10 speed with more power

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Donald Munsey Might be doing just that! Stay tuned

If you upgrade go with the 2020 powerstroke everyone runs Cummins on KZread I would be more curious to see how the new 10 SPD works compared to the 6.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Noted

@natehawkins2910

4 жыл бұрын

Andrew Joyce Agreed!!

@871jamie

4 жыл бұрын

I’d rather be Cummin than strokin!

@n1njazx7

4 жыл бұрын

@@871jamie you can't Cummin unless your strokin first!

@linger2001

4 жыл бұрын

I’m gonna be mighty interested in seeing how the new 10 speed and upgrade/changes to the Powerstroke do.

Looking to upgrade trucks. Pulling a goose neck horse trailer. Ford man 100%. Trailer GVWR 20K, true dry weight 6K. What are your thoughts Ford F-250 vs Ford F-350? Need to be crew cab and four wheel drive. Trim package in looking at is XLT. Thank you for your video’s and thoughts, Scott from North Carolina USA

@workplaytv

3 жыл бұрын

Scott Haithcock go 350 all the way. I have another video comparing the 2 if you look on my videos.

I like both rigs and both channels but it's 2 different terrains honestly. Just to put it into perspective for everyone, the highest point in Nova Scotia is 1755 feet (535 meters), the highest peak in washington state is 14500 which is over 8 times as high. These hills you're rolling over are considered flat ground when you run through the cascade mountain range every day. Most people in Washington LIVE above 1755 feet. They drive the steep grades to and from work every day. The grade percentages Paul is hauling over and the passes (Steven's, Blewett, Snoqualmie, chinook) he's trucking through are far steeper and far longer than these ones. A lot of guys don't understand until they get out in the Rockies or cascades and see for themselves. I've been up the Ike Gauntlet in person that TFL truck test on, the cameras don't do it justice, and yet guys from Iowa and Nebraska are commenting on the videos like they know something about trucking hills cuz their grand pappy lives on a "steep" road and the grade is only like 3%. It's a whole different animal and a whole different way of life. The definition of a hill is WAY different depending on where you're at.

@workplaytv

4 жыл бұрын

Matthew R Hey buddy thanks for the message I appreciate someone speaking from out that way and I def understand. With that said the truck would find its gear and stick to it. All these modern day trucks are honestly great. Can’t go wrong either any of the 3.

@matthewr2361

4 жыл бұрын

@@workplaytv True that brother. I didn't mean any offense towards any brand or channel you both seem like good dudes and I watch both videos. I also like all the trucks on the market so I don't have much of a dog in the fight other than I'd probably buy a Ford over Ram if I were in the market right now. I just see a lot of people commenting but don't have any idea the difference in the climate and all that between the 2 of you guys. Nobody has really mentioned the difference which is important when comparing.

You like what you like... me personally I like cummins...like I always tell myself a v8 always be a v8....

@dieselt1273

4 жыл бұрын

@mtrujillo1973 if that make you sleep at night man

@dieselt1273

4 жыл бұрын

Good congrats

thanks for not messing around with stupid GM trucks!

You know I think the best thing you’re getting with the ram 3500 is its payload cap and very nicely done interior. I love that new ram but one thing that continues to be a turn off is where that dam oil filter is located on the Cummins lol. I know there are remedies for the messes and reroute kits but cmon, gotta take passenger front wheel off to change oil? I think I’ll keep my 17 f250 lariat for now hehe..thanks for the vid brutha, stay strokin ! “Up n down up n down these hills” had me dyin brutha !

@1gr8oil

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Bui......I work in a Diesel shop, and I've never had to take the front wheel off to change the oil filter in a Cummins!

@robertbui6640

4 жыл бұрын

@@1gr8oil fair enough, but you gotta admit that they could have routed that thing somewhere else thats much easier to get to!

Ya . I've experienced all 3 . I can tell you they pretty much reacked all the same wsy . The dodge drives like crap over a long ride . Chevy's are to much of a car to be a truck and the ford where always the best all round truck . Comfortable. Smooth . Powerful. I could only imagine with the new 10 speed . I'd stick to ford .

Tell your buddy Ford has been outselling dodges for 42 years

I've been around chevys all my life currently I own a gmc and a chevy and honestly I'm really looking to get a Cummins

No Cummins guys pull those long heavy ghost trailers ( tow mirrors out and nothing behind it ) 😂

@tjrice3724

4 жыл бұрын

It's called Moose Power when the tow mirrors are up bra

I forget his Speedo is in km/hr . I was like 100mph!?? lol ok ok 62mph.

So the 4:88s help it oot?

I'm sure PD diesel has a faulty Towhaul device, especially if it's hunting for gears constantly. The Ford towing anything over 10,000 lbs should be in the 7th gear and 6-3 depends on the roads on heavier load's but shouldn't be any higher than 2700 rpm going 55 mph. A RAM will stay around the same but at a lower rpm. Yes I'm a mechanic and electrician.

Look i6 And a V8 Are different The i6 revolution are lower V8’s rev higher So why is everyone all lost about how the powerstroke An Cummins work