Never really thought about this before this video. But maybe the reason toriyama needed a new way to fuse is that there was no way that goku and vegeta would have had the time to perfect the fusion dance with buu threatening them. At this point buu would never have allowed goku and vegeta to do anything close to resembling fusion or give them the them the time. Toriyama needed something quicker.

I despise how they gave Potara a time limit in Super. To me it came down to the idea of a greater sacrifice for greater power. The Fusion Dance only requires you to remain fused for 30 minutes, afterwards you can return to your normal individual lives. Although you do have to master the dance itself. The Potara fusion didn't require any mastery of a technique, it didn't have a time limit, and it was stronger, but all of those benefits came at a much greater sacrifice, which was you can never defuse and return to normal. That sacrifice made the incredible benefits of Potara Fusion more satisfying. This would make the Fusion Dance the go to method of fusion, as it doesn't require such a sacrifice. Where as the Potara Fusion is the ultimate final option when things get so desperate they have no other choice but to sacrifice their individuality for a stronger fusion. As for why Vegito defused inside of Buu, I assumed for many years before Super it was based on something brought up much earlier in the Buu Saga. Babidi (or it may have been Dabura) said that Supreme Kai's energy could not be used in resurrecting Majin Buu. Implying that the divine power of a Kai is incompatible with Majin Buu. As such it would make sense that the Potara earrings, a magical object of the Kais, would also be incompatible with Buu. So when Vegito entered Majin Buu's body, it caused the Potara fusion to erode, thus separating Goku and Vegeta. This was an extremely unusual circumstance that normally would not have occurred, and thus Old Kai probably didn't consider it a possibility for undoing the fusion.

6:53- I agree with that. It makes the Potara more of a glorified Fusion Dance minus the dance.

Geekdom I was prepared for this vid clicked so fast.

@borntosyn498

Жыл бұрын

You've unlocked ultra instincts. Congrats my fellow warrior

@MrAsap1

Жыл бұрын

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@abpajotte

Жыл бұрын

You damn right.

What I like about Potara is the potential comedy of accidentally putting it on resulting in fusion as well as the possibility of male-female fusions being more likely with the romantic undertones being more apparent

I do like the potaria fusing the clothes as it makes it clear who the components of the fusion are.

I think Goku and Vegeta overpowering the Earrings was used to illustrate that Goku and Vegeta were too op. Further demonstrated with how they embarrassed Broly as Gogeta and future plots having to specifically design ways to nullify fusion. I have always said Dragon Ball is extremely self aware, making it far more comedic and subversive than many are aware of. The creators know how ridiculously powerful their characters are.

I had a book a long time ago from a book fair I went too and it was a guide book I’m not sure if it was accurate or not but in one of the pages they talked about how the fusions have different dominant traits, gogeta has vegetas dominant personality and vegito is more like goku. Since then it clicked in my head and it was genius because you see how ruthless gogeta is and how Vegito enjoys a good fight like goku

Based on what we know it seems obvious that vegito is the slightly more powerful and stable fusion due to potara but it really doesn't take away from the versatility of popping off with gogeta whenever necessary with no outside help. They're honestly both awesome. It's also shown that after fusion they have to warm up or break the body in and that combined with them unfusing if they use too much much power and overload the potara/metamoran technique shows that we've never seen the Apex of one of their fusions power. Kefla being able to rumble with UI Goku despite only being a ssj2 and a ssj2+ shows how high gogeta and vegitos ceiling is. If you take away the power use and time limits and assume they've been fused for a while and are familiar with their own capabilities the Goku/vegeta fusions can probably fight Beerus in ssgss and be a threat. Vegito stomped buu so hard that I wouldn't be surprised if vegito from the buu saga was ballpark around ssg Goku from battle of gods.

Hot Take: If Goku and Vegeta truly want to maximize their current power (post Super Hero), they need to use Vegito because the potara are god artifacts so they will probably be better to handle Ultra Instinct and Ultra Ego

@karnage2948

Жыл бұрын

Bro, u got here first and it’s funny because despite preferring gogeta, I was thinking the same thing. It would be the closest mortal to being like a GoD, reason being is because the end result would be a being that possess both UI and UE, something only deities possess. And due to the god power I reckon they could make it so that vegito can remain as long as he wants due to how well(I lost the word I was thinking of)intertwine? The potara is a god item, if mortals fuse it’s limited however due to how godlike a fusion like this would be it could serve as a middle ground

@danielhenry4365

Жыл бұрын

I can see it now... "Multiverse shaken up! The birth of Instinctual Ego (or Egotistical Insinct) Vegito!"

@karnage2948

Жыл бұрын

@@danielhenry4365 I think GoD Vegito, Deity Vegito or just Ultra Vegito would be better. The ones u named sound too complicated

@vista1456786

Жыл бұрын

Good theory, we have no idea how long the Gogeta vs Broly and Vegito vs Zamasu fight was however after their respective big kamehamahas Gogeta didn't defuse while Vegito did in both continuities (Manga version wasn't even able to shoot the beam and barely used any energy moves if i remember correctly, however Vegito was technically combining two moves so I guess theorectically if gogeta used big bang kamehameha I assume the same thing would happen.) So I would say Fusion > Potara imo and this is coming from someone who is more of a fan of Vegito. Both ultra forms have a lot more power than SSB though so I think they could barely last 2 minutes using either form separately and if they can combine UI and UE that fusion would only last what 30 , 50 seconds 0_o

@arpadszabo661

Жыл бұрын

Maybe, but even SSB caused the fusion to end in 10 minutes because of the amount of power they used. It would suck if UI and UE fusion would end in a minute or less.

Dropping quality vids.

I think also in the Manga Elder Kai warned Goku not to fuse in a Transformed stage, because it will make the fusion stay Transformed permanently and it will put a big toll on the body and shorten their life span.

@BlaxkSun

Жыл бұрын

No

@victorcippitelli2242

Жыл бұрын

Yes is true he recommended that, because if one saiyan transformed in SS stressed the body, imagine a fusion saiyan whose components are transformed before, the stress could be lethal.

@spinoirrex2433

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's exactly what happened to fused zamasu He was stuck in a permanent ssj rose but with zamasus hair color

@victorcippitelli2242

Жыл бұрын

@@spinoirrex2433 in his case, yes and the only reason why his body didn't suffer side effects was because of Zamasu regenerative abilities coming from his inmortality

@Silly518

5 ай бұрын

@@BlaxkSunratioed

One thing I'd like more clarity, is in a quote from Old Kai, at the start of chapter 503, where he states that one can only use the Potara once in his/her life, only one opportunity. But if that's the case, then Vegetto would've only existed once, and would also imply that Goku and Vegeta should not be able to ever use the Potara again.

@seawarrior954

Жыл бұрын

Well, if their fusion was permanent, how would they ever fuse again? They also seem to think they CAN use them again, & advise Goku & Vegeta to use the Potara once more to beat Pure Boo.

@ssppeeaarr

Жыл бұрын

cuz goku n vegeta are mere mortals. so they can use em as much as they want with the dbs retcon.

@diddly-squat9332

Жыл бұрын

Not gonna lie, I would've like it a lot if the potara fusion was really a once in a life experience and the reason they don't fuse again, after saving both their children and Piccolo is because of that and they find out the at the start of the fight.

@Mr.PR2000

Жыл бұрын

Old Kai never thought they would ever be able to defuse again.

I think it makes sense for the potara to behave differently when used by mortals considering that this was made specifically for the Kaio-Shins.

@stevenjohnson6962

Жыл бұрын

I never like that old reasoning to me. Felt like an asspull to try and explain something and then have them never talk about it again.

@youtubestudiosucks978

Жыл бұрын

​@@stevenjohnson6962 dude, the show is ret-con after and asspull after at whenever toriyama wants it too. If you do t like it then you're always free to stop watching instead of complaining. Put your money where your mouth is

@otislamar8613

Жыл бұрын

@@stevenjohnson6962 it’s better than no reason which is what Z provided

The grind is real this Saturday! Was watching your stream on Twitch earlier now this video! I’m hyped, as a fan of the different fusions I loved hearing your in depth of the potara! Geekdom always a real one!

Great work once again Geekdom! Looking forward to your next one.

Ok, there are a lot of solid points in this vid, but I think you may have glossed over the dub a bit for an explanation of *_why_* people hold theories about "being rivals makes them stronger" or "Vegeta being the dominant half of the fusion." For one, the dub for old Kai flat out says, "Because they were rivals, it actually makes the fusion stronger" _(I understand this doesn't necessarily make it canon)_ but it supports why so many people hold on to that theory. As for Vegeta being dominant, in the dub, both Kabito Kai & Baba mention that Vegito makes decisions Goku wouldn't but Vegeta would _(the fact that two different people say this, coupled with Vegeta's themes & Vegito's manner of speaking in the dub being more eloquent)_ supports the idea that Vegeta is in the driver's seat.

@12:00 Finally. Idk why people always think Vegito is more Vegeta when it’s never really been said who is the dominant personality

@walterwhite4398

Жыл бұрын

It basically a whole new person

I love your guide and explanation videos. Always good listens!

I was just thinking about you. Thanks for the new video, Danny!

I love Fusion, it was a great idea

I like to think that the Kais put a time limit for mortal potara fusion, so that if mortals were to fuse and potentially be stronger than them the fusion won't last long. In a way, it was the Kais' failsafe in case mortals ever misused the potara.

@mechajay3358

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, would've made a log more sense than the retcon.

@soulbade-x9709

Жыл бұрын

@@mechajay3358 Actually, my statement backs up the retcon with the whole “mortal potara fusion being 1 hour”.

@gogettothelegendaryfusion2204

Жыл бұрын

@@soulbade-x9709 This theory may have worked if DBS didn't exist. The thing is, there are a ton of mortals who are stronger than Kais. For example, All the sayians in universe 6 are way stronger than Shin. Buu managed to kill almost all the kais in universe 7. You have Hit and practically all the Z warriors in DBS all stronger than their supreme kai. There are so many people stronger than them that I can't see them making a time limit due to fear of mortals being stronger than them. Android 17 is proof that it isn't hard to surpass them.

Geekdom putting out these technique guides is very helpful there's stuff that he says in these videos that I didn't know about and it's very good to know keep up the good work man

@otislamar8613

Жыл бұрын

But he got it wrong and literally throws out his “head cannon” but no there was no retcon on super. In Z the Potara is stated to last forever and it doesn’t in super they say it’s because they aren’t Kai’s Geekdom was wrong and is telling people his ”head cannon” which isn’t what happened or is stated

I would say the only difference between the Fusion Dance and the Potara Fusion is that the Potara need the earrings for the fusion to work and there isn’t a way to fail it but the Fusion Dance you don’t need any accessory to perform the fusion but you do have to equalize your energy and perform the dance perfectly otherwise you will fail. So even though the two are very similar, both have different thing that make it simple to use but also have its limitations

This man is always the one to go to for dragon ball info that's not that much of head canon

Remember when Supreme Kai wanted to give the Potara earrings to Androids 17 & 18?? Good times😁

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the time you tried, and failed, to "debunk" a Death Battle without even watching it first. That was funny

“Potara fusion ain’t no joke son” 😂😂😂 STG!!!💪💯💯

I don't really mind potara fusion having a time limit. I thought it was an alright explanation for why Goku & Vegeta defused in Z, and I wasn't really sold on Buu's magical body defusing them. Buu's body defusing them just comes off as way too convenient for me, even if I put that aside they would still have to explain why Gotenks stayed fused inside of Buu and Vegito didn't. Super Buu absorbed Gotenks the exact same way he asborbed Vegito, and Gotenks stayed fused even while in Buu and only defused when his time ran out.

@jdizzle7311

Жыл бұрын

Well you mostly gotta pay attention how two of the fusions work. Gotenks was created by doing the dance not by the earrings, so how the fusion works inside buu is different. The potara are most likely have magical properties and just was countered by buu’s magic

@zwarrior28

Жыл бұрын

@@jdizzle7311 Exactly! You have to understand that the 2 types of fusion work in different ways. Metamoran Fusion is powered by ki energy, which is why it's temporary, while Potara Fusion is powered by magic, which is why it's supposed to be permanent. And Dragonball has created a big difference between ki and magic. Also if you watch Dragonball Kai Goku actually mentions that Gotenks separated because of the 30 min time limit, not because of Buu's body, meaning Metamoran Fusion is still possible while inside Buu.

Loves this videos explaining techniques and abilities. One topic I would to see Geekdom cover is telekinesis 🤔

Your analysis is what makes you the G.O.A.T. keep up the good work!

A times B sounds accurate to me. It would be different if it were A plus B! 20 plus 20 is 40. 20 times 20 is 400.

@coinrush1

Жыл бұрын

Definitely agree that A times B would be enough. A times B (using the power level units) would be absolutely huge in this case. It's the equivalent of giving goku a form whose multiplier is vegeta's power level. Easily enough to make buu look like a joke. Not sure why he didn't think it was large enough because it just... is

Watched this while working out brother 😎

YO... THAT BEAT INTRO WAS TIGHT....😎💯🤘

I like that the DBZ Kakarot game had an explanation in a side quest to get the vegito transformation that the Potara wasn't made with mortals in mind hence why they defuse in a time limit and if enough power is used while gods do not.

Yes an they’ve said this a couple times in the show that the potara fusion is both of their powers plus it’s significantly magnified

The best fusion 👌🏼

Awesome!

Awesome job...seems like Vegito has more of a power time limit with those earrings

11:01 Geekdom had me dying lmaooooo, fax Potara fusion really isn’t no joke 😭

Remember the days when they turned Mr. Popo blue.. and now we got Black Freeza! Lol whatta time to be alive

Great explanation! When's the next stream?!

Aye you brought the old intro back ! Toonami vibes 😌

@Geekdom101 you should make a soundtrack video for all the music you use for your different intro and outro themes I would definitely watch that!

I 100% agree that Vegito was being cocky to get Buu to absorb him, but I don't think that's the only reason. Gotenks was equally as cocky. Here's my theory: being that cocky is kind of a saiyan trait. The stronger they are, the more lively they are to play with their opponent before finishing them off. Now you put of them together in a body that's more powerful than the sum of its parts, and that cockiness is inevitably multiplied as well

Fun fact about the potara earrings if 2 people who are not supreme kais who look the same fuse together the fusion time limit will not run out despite their not being a supreme kai in the mix in other words the ones who are fused will be fused permanently fused forever for evidence to back up my story watch the dragon ball what if goku became the omni king video by raising fist

Notification gang, dónde estás?

I think goku and vegeta are a specifically potent fusion is because they are deeply familiar with each other through thier rivalry.

that intro is hot doe. that beat 👏🏿

the odds that anyone can tell me something about dragon ball that i dont know already (no offense danny) are impossibility slim. yet i always click on the vidz. love this shit

brooooooooooooooooo havent watched your vids in a while and the new intro fucking slaps

I like the name for the Goku and Hercule fusion, Gokule, since it sounds like Gok-Cool, and that sounds like something Mr Satan would do to hype himself up.

The first way of fusion used by Goku and Vegeta in the original story and it was legendary.

One thing I'd like to add is that, in the anime, Rabanra and Zarbuto from Universe 2 were going to Potara-fuse, but their earrings were destroyed by Kefla running around. Also, in the manga, Kefla was actually defeated by Gohan alone. It was heavily implied they were evenly matched.

Would be cool if we saw a Goten + Trunks Potara fusion at some point. Also, why have we never seen a return of Goku's Dragonfist Punch, which was so powerful in DBZ Movie 13 and also used in Dragonball GT?

@j04370859

Жыл бұрын

Because the Z movies and GT aren't canon, that move only existed in an alternate timeline.

@Sparks2520

Жыл бұрын

Why would they do the Potara fusion when they can do the dance

@j04370859

Жыл бұрын

@@Sparks2520 No reason, he just said he would want to see what a Potara Fusion would look like with those two.

Would love to see some of those og dragon ball attacks there’s some interesting ones

calling her Kayfla is wild. I still enjoyed the video

Geekdom, The Fusion Forms Of The Characters Were By, Saiyans Namekians, And, Kais They Each Were Different Forms We Like Over Years Of Dragon Ball Anime Series Vegeto Was The Dominant Side Of Vegeta Like You Said He Was Playing &, Humiliating Buuhan You Answer Everyone's Questions On, Why Goku &, Vegeta Defused Separately Maybe Buu's Dark Power Was The Cause Of It

I'd still love to see a Potara fusion of Broly and Vegeta because that fusion would be insand

I always took the "rival boost" as an individual thing because theyre rivals they were always training to be stronger than each other increasing thier individual power and therefore increaasing Vegitos

I agree Putting that time limit and too much power difuse on the Potara fusion was lame... Having the make a wish to separate would be fine. And leave it at that Idk that's just me Great video!

The fusion of the Gods. The best fusion in the series and the most powerful being in the World of DragonBall. VEGITOOOOOOOOOOOO 🥶

Love it sick content and agree I'm Vageto's side as well

In the original run of Z the old Kia does say “their rivalry makes the fusion ‘more complete’” in the English dub

I believe that the a*b multiplier would makes sense in a mathematical sense. It is believed that both Goku and Vegeta had the power lvl of 60 million in their base which multiplied would be astronomically high(3.6e^15 to be exact). That blew out buuhan’s assumed power lvl of 80 billion. But as we all know “power lvls are bullshit”

You would think that if Vegeto transforms in SSGS the God Ki would prolong their Fusion as long as he stayed in Super Saiyan God Form and un fuse when he went back to base.

yeah the time limit recon was buggy. but what peeved me off was all that explanation about how god ki difers from mortal ki and why goku could use kk in SSB, it would have made more since that they would have more time, not less.

Elder Kaioshin: “Those two have the power”

In regards to what the english dub said about Potara fusion (while the Elder Kai was talking about it) Elder Kai said that Goku and Vegeta’s rivalry makes the fusion more complete, which I believe it’s implied that the fusion is stronger than it would be otherwise.

It's ironic because Kid Trunks personality dominated the fusion with GOten making Gotenks

I will always feel like Gogeta and Vegito are situational fusions. If Goku and Vegeta need to out right blitz somebody to stop them fast, they will use Gogeta. If they are going to be in battle, they will use Vegito.

@TheBabooon

Жыл бұрын

I agree tho the dance has more issues such as needing for the two to be at the same power lvl there too many ways to mess up the dance while it seen the earring is 100% success rate unless ur gohan n miss the catch of the earring

I like(d) the OG godly lore of the potara. However I wish they would’ve given that “it’s only permanent if a deity is involve” rule up front then it would’ve made more sense. Although I’d argue it STILL makes sense. The idea that potara being a “last chance” option should’ve been kept the way it was. There really was no need to retcon it.

It makes perfect sense the kais never saw a mortal fuse so they would think it would be permanet

I didn't like the concept of Potora fusion ending if the earrings broke. Cause during the Kid Buu saga, Kibito-Shin gave Goku & Vegeta their earrings, the earrings they merged with. And Goku & Vegeta broke the earrings. But Kibito-Shin stayed fused.

The potara retcon cheapened it so much that I see no actual distinction between Vegito or Gogeta anymore.

Will there be videos on EX Fusion, KF Fusion, Ultra Fusion and God Fusion?

The reason i think myself and many others consider vegito more like vegeta and gogeta more like goku is due to the way the introduce themselves. Vegito states hes the fusion of vegeta and Kakarot, as opposed to gogeta stating hes not Goku or vegeta.

I'm not gonna go too into it because I keep tellin people and they forget... Gogeta, not in any instance did he run out his own timer from powering up and using attacks. He beat that ass and had time to spare, like almost 25 min left in Broly movie and basically the entire 30 min left in Fusion Reborn. Vegito... Ran out his timer against zamausa barely doing anything but powering up and using 1 thing that would use up energy like that (final kamehameha)... and up until super with the power runs timer down, he used what might've been the entire hour against buu with 5 or so episodes.

I wonder if the user just focused on NOT flooding the ears or the head with ki, if the Potara can be more effective.

The time and power limit has always come off as really lazy. The Potara being permanent adds more weight to the fight, arc, and even the fusion. Both warriors have to give up their individuality forever to create a new, more powerful fighter. But that's just me.

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Let’s not forget in Super it was also said the Potara earrings also gives a 10x power boost. So if Vegeta has a PL of 1,200,000 and goku 1,200,001 then you add the 10x power boost, Vegito would have a power level 24,000,010

the retcon may have been introduced cuz they did not feel they had the time to have vegeta learn the dance and or felt that they vegeta would not do it, in the series proper at least until Toriyama had that happen in the super broly

think about this for a second, goku and vegeta in base have a power level that are too high to be listed in the data books after the frieza saga, the reason for vegito to be so strong in base is because the boost is an exponential one, it's not just A * 400 (AKA Goku w/ SSJ) it's huge for that reason alone

Also important to distinguish being a God from having Godly Ki, because Blue is a God Ki form and Vegito Blue defused.

I'm really surprised that they haven't made the kais just make a stronger version of the potara earrings that could handle the power

Okay, now fan fusion techniques. Z fusion of three people!

It be really cool to see you write an original dragonball story. You could introduce new characters, transformations, fix character arcs, or have power levels make sense for once!

Well then why did Vegito defuse when he went blue then cause he used to much power and only lasted 40 minutes instead? Why was that? In the Goku Black Arc? Aren't you supposed to be Able to use unlimited amount of power if you use Potara earrings? I think it's dumb they made the same thing with an extra 30 minutes so dumb.

In addition to extra 30 minutes you don't have the risk of doing the fusion wrong and or having to learn it so overall easier to do in a battle situation

When it comes to potara in terms of power I prefer the guide books A x B for base DBS added onto that by stating 10's of times, which if that's a NEW multiplier ( A + B x tens of times) then it kinda weakens the fusion and makes it harder to tally up just how strong the character is or CAN be but given the power boost kefla got over being kale and caulifla... I wouldn't be surprised if it was A x B x 10's of times

Honestly it bothers me how much people hate the retcon from super, it is undeniably a retcon for sure, but it's one of the few retcons of the series that doesn't contradict anything, vegetto was never permanent in Z and they barely attempted to explain why he wasn't, I can understand not liking potara having some of the same drawbacks of metamoru, but in a direct comparison it is still the superior fusion, the only hassle is getting a hold of the earrings, but once you do the fusion is instantaneous and have 0% chance of failing, unlike metamoru that requires learning the dance and performing it perfectly, which a lot of situations wouldn't allow the time window to even try it, nicely portrayed in both appearances of gogeta with paikuhan having to hold off janemba and Goku and Vegeta having to literally quit the battlefield against broly

I mean, it's obvious that the fusion's personalities are a mix, with Vegito being Cocky but a thinker in battle (ie his techniques) and Gogeta (at least in GT) is more reminiscent of Kid Goku from DB Classic, at least when he uses the popper to catch Sin Shenron( I think that was his name) off guard, though his cocky-ness comes of as Goku if Goku was over confident.

I wonder why the old kai never tried to defuse with the witch

@michaeldean2877

Жыл бұрын

Maybe he wanted to keep her techniques

@ssppeeaarr

Жыл бұрын

cuz kais hate dragonballs n ya maybe he wanted the powers he got from the witch.

Most fans believe the fusion multiplier is A+B(in their strongest forms) times 100 at least according to super so if anything people think that base Vegito in the Buu saga was Super saiyan 3 Goku+Super saiyan 2 Vegeta times 100 which is only fan multiplier but could be true

What i always wondered since vegito unfused in the future saga was why thay never just took the potara earrings off then put them back on like or if an earring can only be used once i got that impression when thay said potara is permanent i wish dbz and dbs had some kind of book that explains every thing about the series cause i can't deal with all these theory some make sense but even tho it makes sense doesn't mean it's true

I'm curious to find out why using a full power ki attack while in another form can destroy the Potata earings even though the Potara Fusion is longer than the Fusion Dance.

8:50 also could just be that them falling into the void broke the fusion and returned them to normal

even though i didn't like the retcon that super did with the earrings, i found it really ironic and funny how old kai kept coming down on shin and kibito in z because they lacked knowledge about the potara and and everything else about being a kai, but he was wrong about the fusion being permanent the entire time for mortals. lol i guess old kai's age through me off. it makes him look wise, but maybe that's just the witch side of him that just makes him thinks he knows everything, or just gave him the wisdom that he has now that he didn't have before they fused. i really wish shin checked old kai about being wrong. lol

If Vegito actually had 1 hour of using ssb against zamasu without defusing he wouldve done better cause at the point where vegito defused he was already serious that moment he was done being cocky and playing around he was being like Gogeta but he defuses