I'd still buy the 911 over the 12C any day.

No launch control used on the Turbo S to make it look even off the mark , this just seemed like Chris Harris was just trying to get into Mclarens good books to get a P1 test drive .

@heinrichbolleurs7311

8 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@Mickey-im3bg

8 жыл бұрын

Absolutely pathetic, I can't believe Chris Paris would pulls such a lowlife move. Not only did they not use lonch control but the Mcclearn jumped. It's too bad the British can't prepare a proper, competitive race car to face the Porsche. Chris you lose a stripe, consider yourself demoted. LOL

@rickyhou4249

8 жыл бұрын

+NIGHTFOX Porsche 1/4 mi in 10.9 sec. practically beating the GTR. I'd say that's enough proof it's one of the best car we can buy.

@SgtMayopants

8 жыл бұрын

"Some people are so thick. They assume because the Porsche is quicker from 0-60mph it MUST also be quicker from 0-200mph (which is the speed they reached in the race) . The Mclaren is 300kg lighter and has much more power. The Porsche never stood a chance against that Mclaren over a long distance (like the one in the race). But, the Turbo did win from 0-120 mph (like it should've done). There was no cheating in that race." - Hamzah Mirza

@likeawhispr

7 жыл бұрын

Finally, someone with a brain. Why people think 0-60 times mean anything in a race like this is beyond me, because such times don't mean anything. Speed attained by these cars are hardly ever linear so you can't use straight line math (or thought process) to even come to the conclusion that the 911 would win a race with any kind of distance involved against a 12C. I'd buy the Porsche between the two though.

I thumbed it up right when i saw the cars and Chris Harris!

The 911 Turbo is probably the best sportscar/supersport in the world. Yes, it isn't the fastest, but 0-60 can really be achieved in under 3 seconds, plus it's the best to live with every day including winters, the suspension is quite stiff, but still it rides very smoothly and it is very well made, which leads to a good reliability. Don't you agree?

@Krizzzy90898

8 жыл бұрын

All day

@davidko6635

8 жыл бұрын

+SRAMEK drove one when we left our Macan Turbo at the dealership for an oil change. Great car overall, a bit scary, but super fast and makes you feel great.

@beeboy6967

8 жыл бұрын

+SRAMEK Hell yeah fucking right....( I just saw the Drake video :=) I have a 911 1983 SC & I love it.....Haven't driven any other Porsche ( only because I really don't need more speeding fines & I can't go to water cooled ) yes I'm a purist / old fool ! Cheers SRAMEK !

@Chenrandyliu

8 жыл бұрын

+SRAMEK well said! I love driving the new 991

@KrustyKlown

6 жыл бұрын

Sramek: 911 Turbos don't really like snow ... the turbos sit very low, all that snow slush salt crap basting the hot linkage & shields ... not a good idea. The 911 T is 10X more practical though, simply because there is a usable trunk and TWO back seats .. in a pinch 4 people can fit or one could actually do a grocery run . but NOT in a Mclaren. This means the 911T can be used like most cars on any nice weather day, instead of just a toy to be pulled out on Summer Sunday mornings to justify the purchase with several laps around the block before parking it to take the kids to soccer practice with the mini-van.

More of that behind the head cam! It helps us see the speed and also understand everything like the driver does !

I though the Porsche did awfully well in that drag race considering the weight and horse power penalty.

@pascalmpower7944

10 жыл бұрын

GTR can destroy Porsche on drag race, but no one says GTR did a awfully well job.

@sugarsaint

10 жыл бұрын

ROCKETGUNS BOOMBS i know your not talking to me, cause nobody mentioned GTR

@pascalmpower7944

10 жыл бұрын

never mind, you don't know what I mean

@sugarsaint

10 жыл бұрын

ROCKETGUNS BOOMBS No i dont, i love GTR,i love all cars esp super cars, but nobody was talking about GTR's here.I was just sticking up for the Porsche on this video considering what a monster it was up against, i thought it hung in there really well.

@pascalmpower7944

10 жыл бұрын

cool.

The Porsche is heavier than the 12C and has less power, but is faster than the McLaren. Then, it is cheaper, but has better quality and drives better. I mean like serious, who would even discuss about which one wins?

@givemeajackson

9 жыл бұрын

Shane Nugget from a rational standpoint, you'd have to be an idiot to discuss that. the 991 turbo is a marvel of engineering, no doubt. but well, people don't buy supercars from a rational standpoint. in theory, if you stick to the speed limit, a diesel vauxhall astra will get you from A to B just as fast. it's all about drama, personal taste and emotion at that point. and for me, the 911's simply don't float my boat, and i wouldn't want one, in spite of it being an undeniable masterpiece. i'd much rather have a bright yellow 12c. or, even better, a ginetta g60, despite being worse than both of the cars here.

@moritz1302

6 жыл бұрын

The mclaren is faster, the mo4 takes 8 sec, from 0-120 amd the porsche 10 seconds from 0-120, even on the track the mp4 is faster

@YaseenAli-zn9ej

4 жыл бұрын

Shane Nugget yea this car isn’t that cheap lol. 200k. In the used market, in the high 100s. Still an amazing elegant beast. But mclarren is more expensive and less reliable and slower lol

@silversurfer3636

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly Shane, McLaren's are ok for rich showboat types. Porsche's are for real drivers who don't need to show off!

@dragospahontu

4 жыл бұрын

@@silversurfer3636 You can buy an mp4 for about the same as a used turbo s

For me the porsche 911 is a true and "real" supercar

@moritz1302

6 жыл бұрын

Krizzzy90898 wtfffff ? ?????????

@thegirthquake8574

6 жыл бұрын

Your base carrera doesn't exactly fit in with a Vencer Sarthe, a Ferrari TheFerrari, and even a 918.

@filippoff8489

4 жыл бұрын

It is.

@william911turbos7

4 жыл бұрын

No it is a very very fast GT car with Supercar performance!

@dragospahontu

4 жыл бұрын

@Joe H I feel like the base is a bargain

Crazy beautiful cars but I would still go Porsche

@persikii8020

4 жыл бұрын

Alexander Bauer hi brother. Finally we met.

porsche looks beautiful in that colour

@petersothern2909

5 жыл бұрын

what colour is it?

@trihardcx6743

5 жыл бұрын

@@petersothern2909 Blue.

@petersothern2909

5 жыл бұрын

@@trihardcx6743 what colour blue smartarse

@trihardcx6743

5 жыл бұрын

@@petersothern2909 Sapphire Blue Metallic.

@dragospahontu

4 жыл бұрын

@@petersothern2909 blue

In real world driving, the Porsche is faster. If the road is wet, even more so. But the McLaren looks great..

@motkawon

10 жыл бұрын

I think it just doesn't... It looks faster but is isn't as stylish and elegant as the porsche! It's too spaceshuttle look alike to be a car that looks good on the road.. just looks kinda good in a proper race with other spaceshuttle supercars..

@JTSX1

10 жыл бұрын

Tom Nowak I don't know, the Porsche looks like every other Porsche from the last 15 years with minor style updates; the McLaren looks like a proper super car and sounds great.

@motkawon

10 жыл бұрын

Never change a running system :D It's allright if you like it more than I do but just saying it's too fancy and less elegant for me... impressive jet but not pretty

@JTSX1

10 жыл бұрын

Tom Nowak True: I would love to own and drive a GT, but I doubt people are giving those up for cheap :) I'm actually a huge fan of the Cayman S, which is probably more in my financial comfort zone at this point...the McLaren and Turbo S are reserved for youtube fantasies :D

@galetinm

4 жыл бұрын

@@JTSX1 doesn't sound that great.

Wow that wide angle shot from the driver perspective is fantastic. More of that please!

0-60 in 3.2 seconds for the 991 Porche Turbo S ??? I guess that's why the Mclaren won in Harris Drag Race. My times are around 2.8 - 2.9 seconds 0-60 mph for the Porsche Turbo S when in Launch control mode. I know because I own one. I wonder why he didn't make a track comparison. Maybe its because hmmm I guess the Mclaren would have no chance against the Porsche. Seems to me that this video does not give neither an accurate nor comprehensive comparison.

@Pete762

9 жыл бұрын

Kareem Al-Amoudi if someone gave me that mclaren I would sell it to buy the porsche... it is just nicer and better

@Evan-McM

9 жыл бұрын

Kareem Al-Amoudi That surface always produces shit numbers for cars...did you hear the 12C 0-60 he got? 3.7 seconds. Even those cars can do it in about 3 flat on a good sticky surface. The Turbo S on a proper surface is like 2.6. The McLaren will always pull up top though due to more hp.

@xgelmirx

9 жыл бұрын

Kareem Al-Amoudi The McLaren would have no chance on track? Please, you complain about accuracy but I think you're prejudged because you own a Turbo S. They're both brilliant machines, but the Turbo S is more of a GT car than the McLaren. The McLaren is lighter and more powerful. More track focused. The Turbo S isn't build to race on racetracks, Porsche make the GT3 (RS) for that.

@qwertyuiop1232123212

9 жыл бұрын

xgelmirx Absolutely. The whole comparison is kind of off to me. The Porsche is a (slightly) low-key GT car that you can drive around and not have people taking pictures of you that also is delightful on a track day with the buddies. The 12C and now the 560C.570S/650S are about looking exotic and going really really fast on the road and the track, but they aren't made for long relaxing drives like the Porsche is. I may be biased because I own the Turbo S, but I know I bought it because it is a joy to live with all the time. Now I just need to find a lightly used Cayman GT4 at a good price that can sit in the track garage!

@MrDrunkenMoose

8 жыл бұрын

+xgelmirx and still it brutally beats the 458 speciale on a twisty track. So even if less focused it would murder the 12c on many tracks.

Really enjoying the 'over the shoulder' camera angle!

this guy is my favorite car camparo guy by far...hands down. he should get a prime time show,..he's that good and marketable.

@venivelovici

10 жыл бұрын

I think more people would enjoy him with more exposure, but I wouldn't be able to watch as I only have interwebs, no cable TV. :(

That over-the-shoulder shot was amazing. More of that please.

To me the 991 looks more masculine whereas the curvy style of the 12c makes it look a little more cute instead of mean and angry. I'd pick the Turbo all day long if I had that kind of money, especially in the UK.

@MrXmoda

10 жыл бұрын

you are stupid then

@MultiSaffran

10 жыл бұрын

It's a 911 but whatever.

@Bacavoit

10 жыл бұрын

MultiSaffran It is a 911 but the model is 991.

@RobbieKhan

10 жыл бұрын

MultiSaffran I would suggest becoming familiar with the model designation.

@ChromeWrapz

10 жыл бұрын

MultiSaffran lol dumbass.

Finally! I´ve been refreshing over and over again..

Chris, Thanking you for one uping the F40-episode. You and your crew have found the preverbial sweet spot with the current mix of your talents, the track, and photography. Epic!

And now it turned out to be the best day of this year. 911 Turbo S Vs. 12c. Chris Harris. I'm busy for 15 minutes. Thanks.

You guys totally own car reviews on KZread!

@askaribr1

10 жыл бұрын

أنا أشهد.........Absolutely right

911 991 turbo S: $150k Mclaren mp4: $232k The real competitor for the MP4-12C is the 991 GT2(RS), which would be about 220 kg lighter (1460kg) and 90hp stronger (650hp).

@Rick2010100

9 жыл бұрын

rationalconscience Or 918 watch?v=OBuIQRC4VRw

@TheYouFail

9 жыл бұрын

When the 991 GT2(RS) comes along, it will murder alot of supercars.

@Rick2010100

9 жыл бұрын

John Smith It is a 991 GT3 RS 4.0, The GT2 production is terminated. watch?v=-hTLk1rU_ZI Only the 911/991 RSR is faster watch?v=5EeUqO2hySs

@Sambysaurus

9 жыл бұрын

John Smith I don't want to say this but i really don't think they will make one, they just have never been as good as a GT3. But i would like to see them try to make a new GT2/RS.

@Rick2010100

9 жыл бұрын

Club Bmw Amg Depends on you country and taxes (VAT). In the US a 911 Turbo S cost ca. $ 185 grand and the S version has the most features basicaly included. Burmester Sound System would be extra. PDK, SPC. etc. is all serial.

That was one of the best comparison videos that i have ever watched, gave justice to both the Legends in the auto industry. Great Job Chris!!

The only show on Drive worth watching!! I love watching Chris breakdown these BA rides.

The advantage of the porsche over any other sportscar is its everyday usebility. Its easy to service (doesnt even need a lot), doesnt mind snow and rain, has relatively high mpg, the most luxury extras (sound system, cooled seats etc.) and a alot of space - 2+2 seater with a good trunk

@Rumpleforeskiiin

10 жыл бұрын

very true. My mother owns a 911, the 997 model and she uses it everyday. They're comfortable enough when you want them to be but are also incredible performance machines when you want them to be.

@pascalmpower7944

10 жыл бұрын

DerKesekuchen In this video yes, but all GT, I think GTR way way better in reliable. Cheaper, quicker, faster, more tech and stable.

@tattude1974

9 жыл бұрын

Like Chris said, the 12C is a more comfortable street car... McLaren is known for their daily drivability... I would much rather have the 650S due to its impressive abilities both on track and street...very very few cars can compare.

@pascalmpower7944

9 жыл бұрын

There's 3 damping mode in the 12C. However, u need to go for the siffest setting for fast lap time. For me, I'll pick the GTR Nismo. easy physics.

Some people are so thick. They assume because the Porsche is quicker from 0-60mph it MUST also be quicker from 0-200mph (which is the speed they reached in the race) . The Mclaren is 300kg lighter and has much more power. The Porsche never stood a chance against that Mclaren over a long distance (like the one in the race). But, the Turbo did win from 0-120 mph (like it should've done). There was no cheating in that race.

@gmansplit

7 жыл бұрын

And realistically, 120 is all you are ever going to hit on public roads. So I think in practice, the 911 is faster.

Always amazing watching Chris drive! Awesome video!

the Mclaren in red, with the black special wheels and the exhaust valves open is quite a machine!

Love the video! Id choose the 911 Everyday of the week. Yes the McLaren is faster (only just) however the 911 is an Icon (Plus 40K cheaper)

@dragospahontu

4 жыл бұрын

Both are cool I would get a base 4s and a second hand McLaren for me

And here we are a couple of years on and McLaren are making cars that nobody else can compete with.

behind the shoulder view is great! NEED MORE!

Another brilliant video Chris! And it's not even started yet!

2:45: I love that confidence. *Too ashamed to reveal their lap time around Nurburgring*

The magazines get tuned 458s disguised as stock cars.

@sherman3211

10 жыл бұрын

Standard Ferrari practice. Whereas German cars are generally underrated from the factory, no special cars required for testing.

@opmike343

10 жыл бұрын

sherman3211 Actually, this is a practice that goes all the way back to at least the 60's, and Ferrari isn't the only one doing it.

@BigUriel

10 жыл бұрын

opmike343 Probably not but Ferrari are the worst case of it. In some cases they won't even allow you to test their car at a track without first sending a team of engineers to fine-tune the car to that particular course at that particular day. Chris Harris himself was "banned" by Ferrari (they wouldn't supply him with any cars and they forbid magazines they send cars to from letting him drive them) because he wouldn't keep quiet about this.

Chris Harris on cars has been stellar lately, just what we've been lookin for.

Nice driving and comparison Chris, and kudos to the engineers that put this great video together as well. Looking forward to the next video.

Chris, did you use the launch control with the 911 in the drag race? It's amazing how the 911 keeps up with the McLaren despite the huge power disadvantage

This guy has one of the best jobs in the whole world.

@davidmitchell5638

10 жыл бұрын

AND he's one of the best Guy in the world (if not the best of them all??)

The last slow mo shots, just perfect

Loved the over the shoulder view. More of that!!!

mclaren headstart or is it just me?

@bellator11

10 жыл бұрын

terder123 Then you're willfully blind because the McLaren clearly jumped the start.

@capncrunch1856

10 жыл бұрын

bellator11 I agree

@noseonscent1935

6 жыл бұрын

It absolutely got a tiny head start.

@projectr2451

6 жыл бұрын

It did get a head start but the Porsche almost instantly caught up. If they started at the same time, the Porsche still would’ve been overtaken, considering the gap.

@George-zo4hc

5 жыл бұрын

Don't matter, Mclaren would've had that Porsche any day (except for on the street because 4wd rules over any 2wd supercar imo)

Imagine a Porsche 911 Turbo S with 200kg less in weight. That thing would murder the 12c.

@Modelo118

9 жыл бұрын

Imagine the 12c with 200kg's less and we're back to square one. You just can't think like that as it is what it is! I love the Porsche and to 120 mph it is still the king of the road!

@scratchy996

9 жыл бұрын

M1710 That would be a 911 GT2.

@Modelo118

9 жыл бұрын

He's on about the 911 in this clip which is the 991! But the 991 GT2 doesn't exist yet!

@scratchy996

9 жыл бұрын

Modelo Super he said "imagine". Anyway, the rumour is that Porsche will not make a new GT2/GT2 RS because they are working on a mid engine car slotted below the 918, a 918 light, if you will.

@Dmach58

9 жыл бұрын

M1710 imagine a porsche 911 turbo S with 1000hp. That thing would murder the 12c

Exactly the way I like to see Chris Harris! Informative and yet fun. These are the reviews I would turn to were I to actually buy a supercar / proper sports car.

I really enjoyed the camera over Chris' right shoulder. Gives a sense of the speed as well as possible through a computer screen. Great vid as normal. Thanks guys

I think all the new 991 911s are pretty good looking, especially from the rear. And especially the GT3, looks and performance-wise. It has a naturally aspirated 3.8L 6 making 475 hp! It's like whaaaat? And the PDK in that car has the stick fixed, and now it shifts like a proper sequential 'box. Pull back for an upshift and push forward for a downshift. And the super cool feature where pulling back on both paddles at the same time is like putting the clutch in, and letting go is like dropping the clutch, unlike on every other paddle shift car where doing that would just put the car in neutral. I am surprised more car makers didn't think of making the simple change (probably with the electronics) to enable their cars to do the same thing. And the 12C is well, the 12C. Amazing when it first came out, but quickly got overshadowed by the 650R and of course the P1 if someone has that kind of cash to invest in such a car that is bound to appreciate in value. But I doubt anyone on here would get out of a 12C after a drive and not have a smile on their face and talk about how much fun it was. But McLAREN!!! Please put a proper mechanical or clutch-type limited slip in your cars. I know about the whole individual braking of the inside rear-wheel to give a limited slip effect, but if you do track days at tracks with predominantly right hand corners, the pads and ceramic brakes on the right rear are going to wear out way quicker than the lefts. Just go with a proper limited slip diff and awesome torque vectoring you have and call it a day. No worries about uneven pad and ceramic rotor wear. Just do it McLaren. If any McLaren worker reads this, which I doubt they will, tell your boss about it and have them go up the chain all the way to Ron Dennis and let him know that I and many I've spoken with would prefer a proper limited slip diff over the individual rear braking system.

@whereisbenzo

9 жыл бұрын

I never knew that about the Turbo S's transmission.

@sandrarios2496

9 жыл бұрын

Alvin Rohani It's actually not in the Turbo S. They only made the PDK tweaks in the GT3.

I think a comparison between the R8 V10 Plus and the 991 Turbo S would have been more interesting to watch, as the outcome of this video was a bit obvious in my opinion. Or maybe even one between the 12C and the 991 GT2 in the future.

Over the shoulder view is AWESOME!!!

Chris Harris as always is amazing... By far my favorite!

I'd rather have a car that's does a quicker 0-120mph because 196 mph in California is not going to be fun. The Porsche is a daily driver and won't breakdown like a typical British car.

@stevielowe2853

9 жыл бұрын

You will find that a 'typical British car' won't breakdown them days are long long gone like many other manufacturers. The mclaren eats the porsche

@niacal4nia

9 жыл бұрын

Stephen Lowe That's because McLaren uses a German Mercedes engine and will switch to Honda in the future. Have you ever wondered why every car company compare their cars to Porsche. Because there is no substitute. My cousin 2014 Jaguar FX with less than 2000 miles has been to the dealer 4 times due to stalling and check engine light.

@stevielowe2853

9 жыл бұрын

One car going back to the dealership means nothing.. My mates 3 series coupe went back to the dealership several times with the same problem.. Does that mean bmws have reliability issues? Of course not

@stevielowe2853

9 жыл бұрын

Oh and the engine is built in Sussex.. UK!

@niacal4nia

9 жыл бұрын

Stephen Lowe 24 hour LeMans history shows Porsche followed by Audi with the most wins. Please google McLarenand read about the Mercedes engine which is modified in Sussex.

No matter how much power this Porsche has, no matter how good looking it is, or what else, at 1600+ kg it is not the real deal. They should build a Cayman Turbo.

@markr9730

10 жыл бұрын

How about a Cayman GT3 ?

@PatrickSavalle

10 жыл бұрын

Cayman is also much butter looking imho.

@nbrigdan

10 жыл бұрын

Personally I think the cayman is just too ugly, but you can get a turbo version from TPC racing. Their stage 3 kit, which is about 15K in parts, less if you supply your own headers and boost controller, makes about 505-515 BHP in a Cayman S or Boxster S with the 3.4L engine. That thing whoops Z06s and C63s on a track.

@PatrickSavalle

10 жыл бұрын

I used to drive the Nordschleiffe almost every weekend, a friend of mine had a Boxster with a 996 GT3 engine. That was quite an impressive car :) I believe it would fit without much trouble.

@nbrigdan

10 жыл бұрын

***** My personal favourite is the people who got screwed by porsche because of the problem with the engine and swapped it for an LS motor. That would be a fun car.

Simply the best automotive journalist out there.

Awesome review, Chris. Possibly your best yet!

The Porsche's interior looks like a much richer environment to live in on a daily basis. Plus, I need the all wheel drive to get to the ski slopes:)

@SeaOfMadness

10 жыл бұрын

That dull grey doesn't do it any favours though. Beautiful interior let down by a bit of a dull colour, IMHO. Still love the 911 so much.

@jakehopt

10 жыл бұрын

RectoBold I like the grey :/ I think it's inviting and something that I'd like to sit in every day

Harris has the best job in the world

Really like the over the shoulder view hope to see more of that.

"tire slayer"...chris harris you never cease to amaze me

The style of the mclaren looks like a Ferrari 360, not too creative.

@wezhawes3359

9 жыл бұрын

In a video containing the 911?? The car which has looked the same since the day it was born! Not to mention how all Porsche models look broadly the same. There is no one more lazy than Porsche's design department.

@f0gGenx

9 жыл бұрын

The 360 wasn't that bad.. the challenge stradale is sexy in black..

@Gamez4eveR

9 жыл бұрын

Wez Hawes It's a timeless design that keeps getting more modern and stylish. Got a problem with that?

Yeah, I want a Turbo S review as well :(

Awesome video. Also, love the watch, Mr. Harris.

I just love watching Chris drive!!

go Chris Harris, GOOO!!

Aww I wanted to see the lap times on Anglesey.

Great comparison of the everyday supercars. Love it.

Great episode! And the videography, man Neil is just killing it! :D

The McLaren started much to early!

@SeaOfMadness

10 жыл бұрын

I think it was immaterial. The McLaren had so much on it anyway that it would have needed a bigger head start than it got to win.

@rousseau327

10 жыл бұрын

To be honest, in a 1/4 mile the 911 may be able to take it with launch control, but at the length they're running in the video, the Mclaren is going to take it 10 times out of 10.

@moritz1302

6 жыл бұрын

The mclaren wouldve won anyways

It's like comparing the aluminium road bike to a carbon one...they are just in different leagues !!

Love the over shoulder shots!

Really great complete review

I was hoping to meet you at the launch event here in germany, Chris, but had to live with Carlos Lago instead :) Something tells me you would have been more postive about the Turbo if you had driven it at the Bilster Berg, which is a fabolous track where the four-wheel steering and the PDCC really come into play. Not the review I expected from you, Sir...Too much McLaren praising, not enough valid informations about Turbo S...

@stucruise1

10 жыл бұрын

Spoken like a true German Mein Herren."not enough valid informations about Turbo S...". I think for us Brits and yanks alike, there was enough positive feed back here to make me want to buy one. (if i could) ...Ach yah

@Dgannt

10 жыл бұрын

I think Chris praised the 911 very much. But he also mentioned one important aspect about super cars. People buy them as much for the drama as for the numbers. The 458 maybe lost to 12C when comparing numbers but offered all the drama and function when 12C only offered function. 911 turbo offers no drama, it's just a faster 911. People spending these kind of money want something special. You notice a 458 a mile away by it's shape, curves and that heavenly sound. In comparison 12C is not noticed and 911 turbo even less. In conclusion, wealthy people (actually even us spending 30-40K) don't just want to buy a fast car, they want a special fast car and 911 turbo is not that special. Specially when most don't no the difference from a normal 911. And there are so many of them.

@sooglegucks129

10 жыл бұрын

He likes underdogs!!! Deal with it.

@sooglegucks129

10 жыл бұрын

And he already said the porsche was the better over all car. He said it gives the driver more confidence than the 12C. He said it feels like it weighs about 1300kg instead of 1600 plus because of rear wheel turn in. He said it was more characterful than the older 911 turbo. He said it felt more natural to drive than the mclaren. And the reason he didn't give the turbo the praise you might expect is because Germans always make great cars, it's so boring *yawn*. He liked the alfa 4C too or tried to and he even said he was possibly being a little too kind to it because he wanted so much for it to be a hit or maybe he just wanted to like it so don't go thinking it's a England vs german thing. It's not. It's a germany makes great cars and other countries don't always thing and we (me and chris) want other countries to do well too. So he likes underdogs, deal with it ok? Why u need so much praise anyway? Read between the lines and all the information you want is still in this video.

@sooglegucks129

10 жыл бұрын

And before you say he's not a good reviewer, if he is indeed, a little biased then take a look at your own youtube video's pal. They're fine but they're no "Chris Harris on cars". Emotions are messy, mine are for sure and if you can create videos as engaging and enjoyable to watch as chris's with 100 objectivity then you truly are a master of making car review videos.

Amazing video as always! Just curious, how can Drive afford to make such high quality videos? Do you guys have a magazine? Sell merchandise? or do manufacturers pay to display their cars? Thanks!

Wonderful video. Good job,thanks.

that over the shoulder shot is amazing

He said it. People spending this kind of money for a super car do it for the drama and not just the numbers. And that is why MP412C lost to 458. It was not the numbers but how much more elegant and beautiful 458 was and the drama it offered in form, sound and function. 12C in comparison offered only function. And the fact of not being able to turn of the nannies in 12C broadcasted all over dug a hole for 12C that it never recovered from. And McLaren is doing the same mistake with P1.

12:15 Anyone noticed how the Porsche started to come back?

@opmike343

10 жыл бұрын

It didn't so much "start to come back" as it stopped falling behind. It pretty much maintained the gap as the speeds increased which is pretty interesting considering it's down on power.

@thatabu

10 жыл бұрын

opmike343 It started to close the gap actually if you watch closely.

@MarkHol23

10 жыл бұрын

He Jumped start anyway..

@morrarN

10 жыл бұрын

MarkHol23 Indeed.

@motkawon

10 жыл бұрын

Yeah looks a bit like it does but not sure if it does..

you made my day Chris! epic video as usual!

yet another superb video

The Porsche costs 60.000 € less than the Mac Laren is has 60 HP less. Those two cars can't be compared. A real comparison would have been the GT2 vs P1.

@bingoberra18

10 жыл бұрын

Haha if youre gonna change it all the real comparison would be 918 vs P1 vs LaFerrari

@chrissoubibi

10 жыл бұрын

bingoberra18 That would indeed be the best test ever ! BTW I meant 12C, not P1.

@ruskeee

10 жыл бұрын

sw1000xg The McLaren is lighter so it doesn't need as much torque. And the drag race showed that horsepower does count

@bingoberra18

10 жыл бұрын

Actually what you use in an equation for top speed is Kw, or horsepowers. And you take that together with frontal area and drag coefficient, and then youll get your theoretical top speed. If you put a torque number in there you wont get anything out of it. Horsepower equals speed. Torque equals broken shit

@dragospahontu

4 жыл бұрын

Finally a rational comment xd

I dont care for 12c, Give me full 20min review of 991 Turbo S :p

@HeavensGremlin

10 жыл бұрын

That's probably because you drive an X-Box and are 8 years old..!

@jm0489

5 жыл бұрын

HeavensGremlin, if I’m not mistaken, the 12C is uglier, more childish and generally a really fast LEGO Mock his maturity, please.

That was a superb review! Well done my friend... Well done.

Brilliant review! Keep them coming please.

The drag race is bullshit. The Turbo S is one of the fastest cars from 0-60. Well, certainly faster than the 12C.

@Kheops63

8 жыл бұрын

+papoopa5800: every test show it does a 0/60 in 2.6 or 2.7s......

@chicken4967

8 жыл бұрын

Kheops63 Yep

@blakefelice6625

8 жыл бұрын

+papoopa5800 A drag race is a 1/4 mile...not 0-60.

@sexyitalian891

8 жыл бұрын

+Blake Felice They didn't use LC for this race, it would have put the smackdown if it did.

@AsGoodAsGrass-Official

8 жыл бұрын

+sexyitalian891 You can hear they are using launch control. Would have been the same result if they didn't anyway

That drag race is a little weird... usually the porsche is capable of doing 60 in 2.6 sec and 100 in about 6.2 sec on a dry surface like this... I don't really get it

@carlitoxb110

7 жыл бұрын

it's a British review and mclaren is British so.....

@gmansplit

7 жыл бұрын

And that is what happened. The 911 was winning till about 120 mph, when the McLaren's superior power and RWD made it go ahead.

Love the new camera view "behind the steering wheel"... !!!

i could listen and watch chris harris talk and drive cars all day. Brilliant

Cant wait for the 991 GT2 and GT2RS.

@yoyoman9747

10 жыл бұрын

There is a big chance the GT2 wont come

@rousseau327

10 жыл бұрын

yoyoman9747 Really? Where did you get that information from? Just curious, because the GT2 and the GT3 RS was seen testing in San Francisco.

@yoyoman9747

10 жыл бұрын

You sure? Do you mean the Nurburgring. I haven't heard of any testing at SA. There was a car looking like a 991 GT2 seen at the Nurburgring. However because of the exhaust arrangement which is different from normal turbo arrangement it is suspected that it is a GT3RS with the fake scoops on the rear wings.

@rousseau327

10 жыл бұрын

Yeah, there are articles regarding sightings of the GT2 and GT3RS without any camouflage.

@dragospahontu

4 жыл бұрын

@@rousseau327 gt2 doesn't exist

Drag race the porsche with overboost

Chris harris... you are the best car reviewer out there! love ur videos! keep them coming!

Many compliments Chris for this video!!!

that went as expected. even the 592bhp engined mp4 could have beat the this car. with that being said, the 911 turbo s will always be the alternative standing in between regular sportscars and elite sportscars.

@vtr0104

10 жыл бұрын

Indeed, Sir. I think an entertaining comparison would be between the 12C and its ancestor, the F1. Both Carbon everything, 1 HP difference. Let's see if there's been any progress in 20 years :)

@RUFFRYDER909

10 жыл бұрын

vtr0104 F1 will humiliate the 12C mate

@vtr0104

10 жыл бұрын

I am quite aware of, as well as counting on that. I must confess, I very much enjoy seeing older technology take out the mound of electronics that today's vehicles have effectively become. Replaced cars' souls with machinery :(.. I know they are machines to begin with, but the older ones feel closer to a kind of humanity than anything coming out nowadays.

@YaseenAli-zn9ej

5 жыл бұрын

There no such thing as a elite sports car😂 it’s either sports car or super car and this car falls in the super car catagory so piss off

I initially wanted a post a comment which sounded like "the drag race wasn't fair...etc.". Now I looked up the specs for both cars (both do 0-62 mls in 3.0 s AWD vs. RWD) and all that is left is the question: How the fuck did McLaren manage to build such a car? I'm stunned btw...

I'm very intensive cars fan viewer, but i couldn't see anyone can drive a car confidently same like you.... I like everything in your briefing way.. Keep it up

that over the shoulder camera...awesome!

Awesome cars and I will never be able to afford them but The Porsche Turbo S just does not do it for me...I am a GT3 person through and through I have found out.

@crimnlbt1349

10 жыл бұрын

the GT3 991 is just *_____* can't wait for GT2 or even GT3RS and GT2RS

Mclaren is a supercar, 911 is a streched version of VW Beetle

@stevielowe2853

9 жыл бұрын

Gotta agree with that

@dobbins2550

9 жыл бұрын

Might be the most absurd, turd-bucket, gutless, thoughtless, POS comment ever on youtube.

@Kneedragon1962

9 жыл бұрын

"Mclaren is a supercar, 911 is a streched version of VW Beetle" That is true, but also slightly misleading. The Porsche is very quick, in the real world, most of the time, it's as quick as the Mac or even faster. But the Porsche is a usable every-day car - the Mac is not - despite Chris insisting otherwise. Read you own sentence back, but holding the telescope the other way. Much of the time, a stretched VW Beetle is a more practical, capable, useable car than an escaped formula car, or an LMP1 class sportscar. I admit, there is something desirable about the Mac the 911 will never have, but which one would you rather drive up an 8 level carpark? Which one would you rather drive over traffic calming? If you found yourself trapped facing a mile of roadworks and gravel on the freeway, which one would you rather have? I think at times, a stretched Beetle (with a 600ish hp eng) and 4wd is a much better combination.

@branot89

9 жыл бұрын

Kneedragon1962 I didn't mean that literally. But, McLaren is way more exclusive and head turner

@Kneedragon1962

9 жыл бұрын

branot89 That's a fair call. But as Chris points out, the prices are not that different, and nor are the performance numbers. You could make a similar comparison between the 911T and any high end mid engined exotic. The 911 stacks up pretty well against all of them. Dr Ferdinand Porsche designed the mid engined Auto Union Grand Prix car in about 1930 / 31. In about 36 ~ 7 Hitler (& others) bothered him to get involved with the 'People's Car', for which he borrowed from the layout and concepts he'd built into the Auto Union. He didn't design the Beetle single handed, but he had a big input into it, and the layout and suspension design were clearly taken from the GP car. Ok, now show me any other current production car, let alone one of the fastest, most capable and desirable - not to mention immediately recognisable cars in the world, that can date their linage back to 1931. None of the mid engined cars can.

Brilliant video, as always.

Another great video Mr. Harris, like the electric Dryson, the Ferrari F-40...etc. Happy New Year for you & the Drive team all .

I enjoyed this video but we all knew what the outcome was going to be. $50,000 price difference for a reason.

@herpdadurrp

10 жыл бұрын

true, but 12C's go for as low as $200,000 with some options now, while Turbo S's go for around the same price if not more with options.

@AR8445

10 жыл бұрын

herpdadurrp You mean a used 12C vs a brand new Turbo S right? Because here in Canada at least, the 12C is going for $240,000 used.

@herpdadurrp

10 жыл бұрын

well, i've seen ones that have like 1k miles for $199k

@rousseau327

10 жыл бұрын

The result was sort of a tie between the two, with the tie slightly leaning in the 12C's favor. Each had its own pros, and each its own cons.

Saw "Chris Harris" on the title and so I clicked. He could review a golf cart and I will still watch.

Love your reviews Chris!

these reviews are so great. Thank you, Chris Harris, for making the best car reviews.