You can see the Porsche braking down the straight at 12:46 (just check the centre break light) to let the McLaren through easily. Whichever car is faster, I think there's a lack of fairness when executing the fastest laps on each car. Not saying this is the first time this happens in Motorsport journalism, but I always have way more fun when the two drivers are honestly pushing the cars to their real limits - unlike in this video apparently.

@leroy7647

3 жыл бұрын

On the straight, the speed different was too big to be realistic. Such a shame because if you just take a clean exit and stick behind the Porsche, you can easily overtake it coming on to the straight. But the way they filmed it, it's more sensation, going sideways first and then overtaking the Porsche mere moments later.

@alferrari3186

Жыл бұрын

Yea he pass the beetle like a dragster

Imagine if they used the Turbo S.

@02hreblue30

3 жыл бұрын

why would a Turbo S be comparable to the 570? its not. Should compare 2wd and 2wd.

@alizierny

3 жыл бұрын

The comparison was done by carwow. Between 720 and turbo S. Porsche did better in a quarter mile but rolling race was won by the 720

@BakvSFE

3 жыл бұрын

@@02hreblue30 992 4s is awd.

@02hreblue30

3 жыл бұрын

@@BakvSFE everyone knows this fact. Comparing AWD high horsepower cars to high horsepower 2wd cars and then concluding that its superior is unfair.

@HB92647

2 жыл бұрын

....or a GT3RS

I don’t understand the critical comments. That was a fun comparison, and Karun seems like a cool guy.

@chrisanderson2204

3 жыл бұрын

It's probably cause the 570S isn't a Carrera competitor,it's the 991/992 Turbo S

@ChlorophilG

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the guy in charge thought Tiff was too old for the show now, so they replaced him with Karun...tough boots for him to fill as Tiff was loved by many over the years.

@gicapopandau5750

3 жыл бұрын

Karun is a cucumber

@64fairlane305

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrisanderson2204 and because this Jason is a annoying clown

@kat13man

3 жыл бұрын

He is not Tiff who got stiffed.

Lets see a rematch when the GT3 arrives...Two cars at the same price point. Then it's a fair fight.

@dereksbooks

3 жыл бұрын

I'd take the 4S. It's such an amazing value. It's also not as if the Mclaren has Ferrari mystique and styling to justify the +50% price difference.

@TheFlyingClutchman

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure the turbo s is the same price point and is out now. Oh and the turbo s is faster than a taycan turbo s on the 1/4 mile so I have no doubt it would win this

@rocketing47

3 жыл бұрын

I have no experience of the 992 911 but my 991.2 GT3RS was over 2 seconds slower round Silverstone GP than my 570s TP. I imagine the 992 will be better but my 2 cars were of the same era so was a good comparison. In defence of the Porsche you could do more laps before the brakes needed cooling down but Mac was and is quicker on a power circuit

@TheFlyingClutchman

3 жыл бұрын

@@rocketing47 yeah fast circuits will always favour the more powerful car but on the 5th gear track there are enough corners that a gt3rs would win. And the 992 turbo s is stupid fast so wouldn't be surprised if it is on par with the 991.2 gt3rs

@dagnut

3 жыл бұрын

Its what ever they can get..5th gear have no leverage any more, youtubers get more views

I’ll take the Porsche, given the price of mclaren and massive depreciation and questionable reliability

@vika0194

3 жыл бұрын

A Porsche is meh. Buy a 2-3 year old used McLaren with factory warranty.

@LordPrometheous

3 жыл бұрын

@@vika0194 and you'll still spend more time seeing your McLaren at the dealer than in your garage, about to be driven. There's definitely the cool factor, but the quality issues and unreliability take away from the experience, especially when the car cost far more to begin with. Still a fun car, but caveat emptor looms about.

@Showmetheevidence-

3 жыл бұрын

Totally... Porsche will be better to live with any day of the week. The Maclaren is for guys who already have 3/4 cars.

@stevielowe2853

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely the McLaren. No question

@csonkaperdido

3 жыл бұрын

@@vika0194 McLaren cars don't last 2-3 years - they all spontaneously combust due to shitty build quality. Porsche is an endurance legend. McLaren needed BMW to win Le Mans, and they are notoriously unreliable.

Great video, but at the price of the McLaren you should have compared it to the 992 Turbo S!

@joaomonteiro5257

3 жыл бұрын

Not available when this was filmed

@martinallenuk

3 жыл бұрын

@@joaomonteiro5257 So dont film it.

@blackjack8838

3 жыл бұрын

McLaren would loose with big margins)) thats Y we see Base 911

@Dan-zx9nk

3 жыл бұрын

Have you seen the prices of second hand 570s’? Pointless comparing a 570s with a 991 911, so they’ve put it against the 992 - worth as much now as the 570s

@magyck4849

3 жыл бұрын

second hand mclaren 570s is around 80k GBP with 10,000+ miles

I would take the 911, overall it's a better option!

I'll take the practical yellow scalpel for 100 over the blue sledgehammer for 150.

When it comes to Power with Pleasure n performance......ain't nothing can compare to Porsche......blessed to have one😘😘😘😘

@magyck4849

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome man!

WHY would you use a 4s here? Makes zero sense

@LafemmebearMusic

3 жыл бұрын

And yet it still did so well

@gumpy4960

3 жыл бұрын

Because when this was made the 4s was the fastest version out

@dagnut

3 жыл бұрын

Its what ever they can get..5th gear have no leverage any more, youtubers get more views

@alizierny

3 жыл бұрын

I disagree. 4S is a fair comparison. 720s should be compared to turbo S

Let’s just take a moment to remember that the £26,000 “extras” on that Maclaren is the same (or more) as many peoples entire family car!

@zJoriz

3 жыл бұрын

It's 3 or 4x as much as I spent on all my cars combined.

So many ads I might as well be watching this on an old CRT TV on a brown sofa in my grans lounge 🤦🏻‍♂️

For all the simpletons who believe the turbo s is direct competition for the 570. Please look at what a turbo s did to the 720 on car wow.

@chrisanderson2204

3 жыл бұрын

The 991 Turbo S is the 570S competitor,and the 992 Turbo (non S model) will compete with the 570S

@jacjones6974

3 жыл бұрын

Thats because of 4wd, the 720s on a roll or track would outdo the turbo s

@rocketing47

3 жыл бұрын

It lost on a 400m drag !! The old Turbo could do that to a 720s. Crucially the 720 was faster on the 2 rolling drags and after 400m caught up the Turbo. So not sure of your point. A 570s has almost 100bhp less than a 992 Turbo so no real comparison there

@lorenmorgan2010

3 жыл бұрын

Price comparison only 570S vs Turbo S but the Turbo S is faster than the McLaren here. Not the 720s overall

@davepaturno4290

Жыл бұрын

Of course, the McLaren Senna is the track king, not any Porsche.

Great review just a shame Tiff Needell couldnt have been involved with an Audi R8 Evo or something!

JP looked like he could have had a heart attack at any moment. Karun could have been drinking a coffee and still been on the pace. Porsche would be an easy choice for me.

Both great cars, McLaren is the youngest company and has had some teething troubles, now reliability is good .My Cayman 981 is a great car but has had several electrical problems , most cars have issues, so give the British company some support !

With 120bhp more than the Porsche and 125kg less, the McLaren had an obligation to win that race. Come on...

@TheTmat007

3 жыл бұрын

How could that be when we're talking about 2 different driver? Driver skills always play a role in racing (especially around tracks, where the margin for error is greater).

@andreasbeaufort3594

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTmat007 Both of them are or were racecar drivers. Trust me, no difference in skill could offset that power to weight ratio.

@TheTmat007

3 жыл бұрын

@@andreasbeaufort3594 My friend, I'm sure there are drivers who can record higher speeds in the 570s (and the 911 4S) around that very same corner. Whether or not it be a professional vs professional, driver skills vary. And notice that the driver of the 911 4S improved upon his speed each time he hit the same corner. That may indicate he is the better driver. Some cars have better cornering capabilities than others. And some drivers know how to better handle cars around corners than others. Now, in this particular instance, the rear wheel steering may have offered the Porsche the cornering advantage. The feature was design for better cornering, anyways. But no AWD or rear wheel steering is what I love so much about McLaren supercars...None of those driver assist gimmicks. To me, that is what makes for a pure driver's car. And the reward is that it can make you a better driver. The 911 GT2RS/GT3 RS are pure driver's machines.

I want the Porsche because it’s more usable and a better machine overall. The McLaren is very good but when it comes to engineering no one can beat Porsche. The guys from Stuttgart know what they are doing. Only Merc’s AMG division can make cars that can compete not win Porsche’s cars.

Rather have the *4S* in *Manual* with all option boxes ticked than the *McLaren* 💩

I've rented both cars and prefer the McLaren for two reasons: 1. It is lighter and faster. In fact, under full throttle on a straight run of a 1/4 mile or more, it is shockingly fast. 2. The Porsche essentially is invisible among daily driven vehicles. Few people can tell whether it is 10 years old or new. It blends in with 911s that are worth half the price. The McLaren, with its exotic car shape and dihedral doors is light years ahead of the 911 in the appearance department. The one I rented was like the king of cars, its driver was perceived to be extremely wealthy and wise.

Surprised the McLaren didn’t break down 😂

@rocketing47

3 жыл бұрын

Why would it. McLarens have less engine issues than Porsche have had

@edwindude9893

3 жыл бұрын

That’s true. I live near Woking and we see them with AA vans all the time.

@Dan-zx9nk

3 жыл бұрын

rocketing47 you need to do more research mate

@astonmartin6527

3 жыл бұрын

rocketing47 the hell are talking about? Porsche’s always have and always will work like a Swiss watch. German engineering

@rocketing47

3 жыл бұрын

Dan Man Why is that , facts are there if you care to look at them

That looked like a lot of fun... I wonder if you would be allowed behind the wheel of the soon to be T.50 GMA .

@davekennedy6315

3 жыл бұрын

The T50 looks incredible, Murray is the master! It's gonna be the real F1 successor. Loving the incredible Cosworth V12 they've built for it, it's gonna sound like the best generation of F1 racers. Did you see Harry's Garages walk round/talk through with Murray?

Considering the price the Porsche is really the better car

Love the playful review team - well done

McClaren fabulous. But as always, the best car on the planet; Porsche, passion a bargain at any price.

Porsche the best 👏👏🏆👍

McLaren is definitely the choice if you want passion, for every drive to be a heart racing event. Porsche is the sensible, every day use choice. Plus the Porsche would be the choice for crappy British roads and even crappier British weather, AWD really is the best choice (especially for high power, RWD would struggle to get the power down or be spinning you backwards into the nearest hedge!)

@luke.J.emmison

3 жыл бұрын

well yeah but the Porsche is really the better car if your talking about the price anyway I think Supercars are way overpriced

@luke.J.emmison

3 жыл бұрын

Think £150,000

@luke.J.emmison

3 жыл бұрын

For a car a super car should be 70,000

125 kg lighter and down 120 bhp the 911 done really well

@davepaturno4290

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that on super-tight-corner autocross courses, a Miata can easily beat the 911. Yet on a large race track like VIR in the US, the McLaren Senna beats all other cars, including the latest GT3.

The fact that the Porsche cost half as much speaks volumes about which car is the better car. In fact my 718 Spyder costs $120k and the build quality and handling is better than the 570s and it’s not much slower. The only thing is the mclaren looks cooler. That’s about it.

Get the 911 with a tune and better exhaust.. that would be mega

Karun, body roll has nothing to do with "throwing weight to the outside of the car". Weight transfer is a function of track and centre of greavity height. Body roll would only have a noticeable impact if it was a tall Land Rover for example, but even 2 to 3 degrees of roll on a sports car makes no significant difference since it is the lateral acceleration that is the main term of the equation for lateral load (weight) transfer.

Price point matters when comparing vehicles. But when two cars are available and a video needs to be made for a TV program you end up with this. Still; not a bad watch.

So , the ideal car would be an 4S remaped to 550-570 hp , for 1200 euros or less

I think it should have been a Rear Drive Porsche 911 GTS vs McLaren

McLaren is my favorite car manufacturer in the whole world and especially its 720s. But in this test i prefer the Porsche more.

it is obvious that Mclaren driver is suffering, but 911 is so easy to handle, put the GT3 and Mclaren will have no chances.

@rocketing47

3 жыл бұрын

Would still win !

@doughnuts5364

3 жыл бұрын

Tbh completely different cars both good in their own way

Am I like the only one here that can't believe Fifth Gear hasn't retired that stop watch already??

This is a fairly new vid yet i t seems like it came out at the same time as old top gear

Can you please do fair comparisons?

If I had the money it would be the Porsche all day everyday. Its racing pedigree is vastly more impressive. For the cost of the McLaren you can get a faster 911. Thanks.

@rocketing47

3 жыл бұрын

christdragon Porsche Pedigree !!! What Pedigree McLaren have won 12 Formula 1 Championships. That’s Pedigree

@icydelight3693

3 жыл бұрын

@@rocketing47 yeah I mean, I love Porsche, but disregarding Mclaren's racing experience like that is either ignorant or intentionally disrespectful... Sure Porsche has always done well at Le Mans, Gt3 championships etc etc, but the Mclaren is a F1 factory! Sure, it has less experience with road cars than Porsche, but I must say I've loved every car they've made so far

@magyck4849

3 жыл бұрын

second hand mclaren 570s is around 80k GBP with 10,000+ miles

@mordante01

3 жыл бұрын

@@magyck4849 The cheapest mclaren 570s curretly listed is 120k euro. from 2015

@magyck4849

3 жыл бұрын

Drax Mordante not on auto trader in the uk :)

Plato is BTCC legend

Come on guys, you were both incredibly late in that slalom, gotta backside those cones!

Wow chris harris looks a bit more tanned than i remembered

the 570S looks a lot nicer IMO. at this price point, neither car are going to be driving on the limit on uk roads. ive seen elsewhere the 570 is a nightmare but also seen that many of the issues are easy fixes. plenty of 570S with over 40,000 miles too, so would appear people use them as a daily driver.

Why didn't the guy driving the Porsche press the turbo boost button for added power on the straights?

The modern day DC2.

There's a pretty massive price difference between the two cars and frankly most of us can't use the extra power of the Mac anyway. If you've got the $$ then by all means enjoy the 570S but don't feel sorry for the Carrera S drivers out there. :)

@zJoriz

3 жыл бұрын

To be fair I probably can't use the power of the Porsche either. If I'm lucky I would only kill myself and perhaps a tree. Unlucky scenarios are even less fun to think about.

Why not lap times?

Why are you playing gt3 sounds on the 911?😂

@supraJZA80s

3 жыл бұрын

Yep wasn't sure if it was just me hearing things

You could buy a second hand, 10,000 mile mclaren 570s for sub 80k GBP

@LordPrometheous

3 жыл бұрын

And the maintenance costs would still be terrible. With a warranty, you'd just have to drive by the dealer's service center (in your Porsche) if you want to see your car more often.

Where's Tiff?

For the price of the 570S a 992 Turbo S would eat the Mclaren, bones and all! Oh and nevermind the build quality and almost as civilized as a Camry! well almost ! LOL

@02hreblue30

3 жыл бұрын

992 is way pricier than a 570. In USD its 225-250 with any options at all

Both of these cars have been out a while. Why do this now?

Problem is, the 570S needs to be sold with a towtruck

@DapperHesher

3 жыл бұрын

And 911s need to be sold with a therapy stipend to work out the pretentiousness.

@dany1441

3 жыл бұрын

@@DapperHesher Is that why your mum sold yours? But it's not the car's fault you know.

@DapperHesher

3 жыл бұрын

@@dany1441 I've never owed either. "I ain't no senator's son" as it's been said. Had a Lotus Elise, though. I do miss it.

@johnm5131

3 жыл бұрын

@@DapperHesher Agreed, but my 570 was in the shop for 7 out of the 12 months I owned it. My GT3? 7000 miles and not a single issue. My 570 depreciated $70K for about 30 days of decent driving, before the dealer bought it back.

@DapperHesher

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnm5131 I can't afford either. I made $27k last year, and I've been out of work since mid-March. Would love to see my career go more in that direction, but I just don't see it happening. Rich people's problems for real.

Holy crap, Jason got old!

Try that with the new turbo S

Slightly worrying about the total misunderstanding of optimal weight distribution - I can only assume these two have dumbed it down for the program. 50/50 weight is totally unpredictable and almost impossible to set up. They will know this.

At 12:46 we can clearly see why Mclaren won this race...

Price point is way too far apart to be comparable

Where is Tiff?

Why the fake 911 sound? 😂

Has Jason stolen Tiffs jumper?

Put the same size tires that are on the Porsche on McLaren and it will eat it up everywhere let alone down the street away!

The Brit's once again promoting a British sports car. . .

Why not compare the rear wheel drive 911 against the 570 ? Journalist being themselves as usual

@miketheman4341

3 жыл бұрын

By that logic why not compare the more powerful Porsche that matches the McLaren price?

@yungdadi

3 жыл бұрын

@@miketheman4341 the test was about handling not top speed. The 4S has more traction through the corners than the S which is rear wheel drive like the 570. By the way there is no gts or gt3 available at the moment for the 992 gen 911 and the turbo is 650 plus horse power with 4 wheel drive so the 570 doesn't stand a chance

@miketheman4341

3 жыл бұрын

yungdadi Yes which is why you can test the existing 991.2 or simply wait till next year. Again this is an apples vs oranges comparison as the 991.2 models are still in huge demand. Do you need a list of 911 variants that cost as much as the McLaren with FAR MORE power?

@yungdadi

3 жыл бұрын

@@miketheman4341 the goal was to review the 992 not the outgoing model which they have already reviewed. And if you know 911s very well you will know less power in a 911 is not a disadvantage. They have lots of traction because of the location of the engine and thats why a 4 wheel drive Porsche is a huge advantage over a rear wheel drive McLaren 570. Read my first comment again cos I am talking about traction not horse power and the test is about traction not horse power

@miketheman4341

3 жыл бұрын

yungdadi No the test is about winning the challenges set up! That’s the point! To put the 4S up against a much pricer car is dishonest. If the point is to pick the best all around car then simply tell the viewers that for roughly the same price one can have a Turbo S! Hint those are available now in some markets and certainly in the next few months in almost every market. All dealers are taking orders. The Turbo S is certainly available to Fifth Gear!

Another mis-matched car test. No reason why the new turbo S wasn't included!

@juliuskona3299

3 жыл бұрын

Turbo s is too fast for 570s....it literally gives 720s a run for its money.

If you want it reliable get the 911. The McLaren looks better, but will cause a lot of headaches. McLaren needs to address their reliability issues.

A 992 4S is a supercar?

This is proof the basic 911 has gotten way out of hand. To be anywhere near the conversation with a McLaren?! The original 911 was the size, weight, and power of a Miata.

Both are great driving machines. But in general, I am more impressed with McLaren supercars. None of McLaren supercars feature AWD and or rear wheel steering. To me, a pure driver's car is one with no AWD or rear wheel steering system.

@LordPrometheous

3 жыл бұрын

how does AWD or RWS make a car not pure?

@TheTmat007

3 жыл бұрын

@@LordPrometheous Because both feature reduce driver involvement.

@LordPrometheous

3 жыл бұрын

​@@TheTmat007 That's an odd assertion, considering Porsche is one of the few manufacturers that still offers a manual tranny on some of their cars. McLaren hasn't offered a manual in any of their cars other than the F1. They also give you dual-clutch only--another layer of separation between the driver's foot and the engine. I'm not sure how this amounts to a "pure driver's car". The cars are definitely good for what they are, but "pure" would be a bit of a stretch, unless you're only talking about the F1, which is so far removed from normal, that it's not representative of the brand as a whole.

@TheTmat007

3 жыл бұрын

@@LordPrometheous No, it's not an odd assertion. Are you denying cars with AWD and RWS make it easier for the driver to achieve good results with less involvement, compared to those that aren't equipped with the features? That's a fact! Even the McLaren driver said it's more difficult or challenging to dive than the Porsche. I'm not impressed by cars that have those features (even though Porsche build great cars). I want and car that demands more from me. And at the end, I may be a better driver. That's the experience I'm looking for, with exotics.

@LordPrometheous

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheTmat007 I didn't say anything about what features make a care easier to drive, that was never the point. You said AWD and RWS make a care less pure, yet you favor McLaren, that doesn't even have a manual option in any of their offerings. You say you want a car that demands more from you, but that preferences steers you towards cars that only come in automatic? That's why I say it's an odd assertion, because the reasoning doesn't follow the claim.

Tiff?

Or maybe get a better driver in the porsche. There is no way in earth, an over steering 570s can keep up with a 4s on a corner then power past as if it had some sort of super speed mode. It's like fast and furious films when they all of a sudden find another gear lol.

What was the point of this comparison? They're not in the same price range and one is AWD and one is rear drive.

@zJoriz

3 жыл бұрын

I guess the point is that more powerful and more expensive doesn't always mean better. I just saw a sports car very nearly hold its own against a supercar, thought that was worth watching.

Id still rather a porsche haha specially in a drag :p 400m the mclaren would lose :p

Except that the 911 isn't a supercar.

Why are they using a 911 991.2 GT3 RS sound over the 992 Carrera 4S? 🤔🥴

@chuchum3

3 жыл бұрын

Because the 992 is out

@shawziadeh4110

3 жыл бұрын

Porscheguy Ou you are making zero sense

How is the new McClaren? A 570?

Lol that porsche was just sniffing up the mclarens butt the whole race in the corners. NOW that mclaren costs 50% more with that same money you could buy a Gt3. LOL now that would have been a spanking worth seeing.

The difference being that the McLaren is more expensive than this model 911 and unlike McLaren Porsche is not on the verge of bankruptcy.

@rocketing47

3 жыл бұрын

Steve Jovan Not correct on that , fake news !

@miketheman4341

3 жыл бұрын

rocketing47 www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/apr/15/f1-decisive-action-budget-crisis-mclaren-andreas-seidl Is everyone lying? www.ft.com/content/df0d3124-2c67-42a0-9412-b3eb0ca5a434

@rocketing47

3 жыл бұрын

Steve Jovan Old news!! This is current, www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclaren-gulf-sponsorship-deal-announced/4845177/amp/

Too many ads ☹️

@typicalbangali8499

3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t even see a single one! perks of living in 3rd world country I guess.

Come on Karun! Body roll doesn't influence weight transfer unless you're in a 2CV with 20 degrees of roll, and then only a little! Weight transfer during cornering is a function of G force, track widths and CG height. Roll moves the CG to the outside by a tiny little amount but the difference between a stiff and soft sportscar there is negligible.

Tiff left, i'm leaving too

Porche usually wins these things

What if they took a more powerful Porsche???

@juliuskona3299

3 жыл бұрын

Turbo s......

Stupid comparison should have been with the bas 3.8 litre porche turbo

not easy to nitpick perfect but yall managed it fine..... porsche wins mclaren is ok but just not a porsche

He keeps saying PORSH! What is that?

Whenever Varun says 100 Indian Accent splashing out

Porsche all day because it go all day

The Turbo S is the 570S' competitor. Glad the C4S did very well for much less money.

@heinrichbergmann5744

3 жыл бұрын

The turbo s is the 720s competition. Look at stats

@gpb3762

3 жыл бұрын

@@heinrichbergmann5744 Well, I still choose the 911 over the 570S. Still a good car tho.

@chrisanderson2204

3 жыл бұрын

The non S model will compete with the 570S

Porsche all day every day.

Both are amaizing car but after that race u need towing McLaren but u car drive down your porsche to the home

Platos aged......

Porche all Day, every Day!

I hate it so much when they say "Porsch" its "Porsche" e e e e!!!!

And Neil?

Is McLaren bankrupt yet?

@bigboy5849

3 жыл бұрын

The mclaren in this review is going to depreciate so badly in less than a year.

@kamallb4650

3 жыл бұрын

God knows when they would. They are on the edge I guess.

@rocketing47

3 жыл бұрын

Just signed a large Sponsorship deal with Gulf so to answer your questions no and they won’t be. Porsche are more in danger of that except they are bankrolled by VW !

@henri7359

3 жыл бұрын

@@rocketing47Please don't make up false ideas in your head and post them as the truth. Porsche is the world's most successful sports car brand. In the 2019 financial year, Porsche AG increased deliveries, sales revenue and the operating result before special items to new record levels. The company handed over 280,800 vehicles to customers in 2019, corresponding to an increase of ten percent compared with the previous year. Nr two in JD customer satisfaction! All while Mclaren's shocking customer service and continued production quality issues is causing serious financial problems. You say VW bankrolls Porsche. Easy mistake to make that.

@bigboy5849

3 жыл бұрын

@@henri7359 Not only that Porsche holds there value very well and there are reliable.

Tiff is better in my opinion.

Mclaren is ok for a pritty, small mussel car, and thats where it ends.

570s is a thorough breed with the monocoque, the Porsche is a work horse with the boring design.