In the video I accicentally used an incorrect stacksize in Pokerjuice. This one was set on 100bb instead of the actual 126bb as a start. Looking back into my analysis i think the overall thought process is still valuable. Especially the way to analyse the hand and get a better understanding of a spot like this. After doing some more research on this particular hand it became clear that the outcome is very close when getting raised. Being deeper is more beneficial for us as we will have more implied odds. If we would have been sitting at 100bb actually continuing here becomes very marginal vs a potsize check raise which will include very little bluffs. Just wanted to share this with all of you that the actual continue against the raise isnt making is that much money. As mentioned, I still see value in the way analyzing the hand, which is why i will keep up this video, even though the actual stacksize and outcome wasnt 100% the way it should have been. GG and thanks for watching.

@YourDeKay

3 жыл бұрын

If this hand is very marginal vs a check-raise, would it be better to check the flop?

@timhan9264

3 жыл бұрын

Echoing the previous guy, that means checking back should be considered as well, esp when not blocking some straight cards

You mentioned that your flop bet sizing should be slightly bigger. If we do go for a larger sizing (40% pot seems good here) then this should give us the required equity to stack off. As you showed using the equity chart for various turn cards, our equity distribution across turns is going to be very polarised and hence this hand will realise poorly at a low SPR. If we bink a diamond we may not get many more calls out of our opponents linear range and if we brick we will not have enough equity to continue vs a Jam. Due to our hand's poor future street visibility but decent equity, I think a flop jam is best. However, MonkerSolver is unlikely to encounter this node as potting into a polarised range with a linear one with little to no equity vs the north pole is suicide - folding out all the weak holdings and getting action from holdings with decent equity or the nuts. Disclaimer: This videos purpose seems to be to come up with the best response vs a BB with microstakes population tendencies and provides good insight, but we out to tread carefully with such assumptions.

Thank you for the videos!

Thanks, that was very informative. I'm currently playing PLO10 and using the hand replayer in PokerTracker 4 to study my play but it's cool to see the extra options Poker Juice gives you.

keep up good work luuk

I don't understand, why is the paired turn better equity than the other cards, surely all the sets are check raising you, the boat leaving you practically dead. Yet the nonpaired turns have less equity than the paired turns according to pokerjuice. Whats going on here? Like it makes sense with the cards that are diamonds, the 4d is the last one the suited list showing what I am talking about having the turn pairing being less equity. And then there are the other cards at the end, how is it the 5/6/7 off suits are not at the end? (as obviously they complete all the nut straights)

@Gos1234567

Жыл бұрын

Yea this is the first thing I noticed,a paired boards can’t help us,I would think that is one of the worst things to see.

But how you think about we can make a big mistake by turn folding. Like if he has a hand like 9876with a flush draw or Even QT98 with the flush draw. I’m a mastermind member. 😊

Hi Luuk, nice job. I´ve seen in micro & low stakes that people goes all in this kind of spots near 100% of the time. Thanks for showing this analysis.

@mioluyt4536

2 жыл бұрын

False

By the way you can also use the PEEL & STACK-OFF Modul from PJ. It calculates your EV, when you peel villains raise on the current street and stack off on next street if your avg stackoff equity is over SOEQ_NS(Villain is commited with his whole range, that means he will stack off no matter which card falls on the next street). Keep up the nice work!!

@LuukBotter86

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the suggestion! yes i realized this as well in hindsight. I used this tool for my other video about the 700bb Pot.

Thanks for the great content! I was wondering how you know what the cutoff is for the number of cards profitable for stacking off on the turn is? In this example we can profitably stack off on 20 turn cards, but what if it had been 15 turn cards? Or 10? How do we know where the line is? And I assume amount of equity on each turn will also effect this. Thanks.

@LuukBotter86

4 жыл бұрын

Pokerjuice is a software that can help you with this. It shows you every turn card that can come and your equity vs your opponents range. It will display the equity of every turn and then you can see if that equity is enough to stack off on the turn given the equity required to stack off. Hope this helps. You can also check out pokerjuice.com if you are interested in learning more about this feature.

@harryroberts2074

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah it does thanks luuk

how ??? is this profitable if w give up ~60% of our stack 55% of times it happen & even worse , the remaining 45% it happens w dont win all the times ty for free contend though

If a diamond comes though, villain most likely won’t pay us.

sorry for my ignorance, but when analysing through PokerJuice, and giving a range, shoud we still give him the range that we block, we giving AA with the Nut flush draw, but we have the NTFD ?! Thanks Luuk

@LuukBotter86

4 жыл бұрын

By doing this we can allow ourself to switch between our own hand to another hand but also use a range of our own and see how a range would do vs his range. In this situation pokerjuice will remove the cards we have in our own hand from the range we gave him. So yes I agree, for our exact hand it doesnt matter.

@pokerandtravel6946

4 жыл бұрын

Luuk Botter I had the same question/disagreement. When you put the nfds in the villains x/r range, you make it weaker. But we block the nfd. So actually in this particular scenario, with our specific hand, the x/r range is stronger, we are almost never ahead and we have from 8 to11 outs. EASY FOLD. As a methodology argument, I don’t understand why we need to know how our range is doing in this situation? As I see it, it’s not a spot where we need to be balanced: we are playing our hand Vs the specific x/r range that we don’t block. Am I missing something?

The equity is different because you are blocking the nut flush draw.

@LuukBotter86

3 жыл бұрын

Pokerjuice automatically takes that into account when my cards are face up, so these cards wont be part of villains range

Your stack is incorrect in Pokerjuice. Love the content!

@LuukBotter86

4 жыл бұрын

omg I now see it yes. Thats pretty bad, sorry! Something must have been going wrong setting up the stacks in PJ. Just re-ran the spot in pokerjuice. With our actual hand being slightly deeper we now need almost 43% equity on the flop instead of 40.8%. After calling his check raise we now stack off on the flushes and on the Jx turns. The rest we dont have the equity needed (28%). The information discussed in the video is luckily still usefull for a standard 100bb strategy. But thanks for pointing it out!

Gr8 video Mr bot er

@LuukBotter86

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! How are things going for yourself?

@bestbotreview

3 жыл бұрын

@@LuukBotter86 great. Im a future master mind member I'm just waiting for Jnandez book to arrive then doing it after. I bought his plo course with upswing but they're a joke of a website to say the least Anyway I'm a NJ NL midstake reg I posted in the discord hand history section but maybe you can give some input It feels like an app error or glitch to me but I'm such a plo noob maybe I'm missing out on something If I could show screen shots it would help Anyways I think it's a hand ranking % mistake The lower the number = better hand Ad 2d 8c 2c --- top 45% Ad 2d 7c 2c --- top 42% Ad 2d 6c 2c --- top 43% Ok so my question or issue is why isn't the 6c combo ranked high ? It can make straight besides the flushes I understand flush beats straight so maybe that's why it's at a lower percent hand rank But if high card flush strength matter so much Why is the 8c ranked 45% but 7c ranked 42% Remember this app says the lower the ##% means the better hand So I find it odd how the 8c is ranked Lower than 7c when it can over flush the 7c And yeah sorry if that's confusing but it seems like an app error to me unless you can explain this somehow Thanks

@bestbotreview

3 жыл бұрын

@@LuukBotter86 if you goto the hand history section of plo master mind discord you will see my app screen shots I'm discordogtoy on there