I would say that Laporte was underrated today . He was also very strong! And i would say he did just as much as matteo .

@adshdhhhd7783

9 күн бұрын

He and WVA were the most instrumental in my opinion.

Where is the love for Matteo Jorgenson? He dragged Jonas to Pogi's wheel and arguably saved Visma's GC hopes

i am really enjoying this year tour, because it is quite hard to predict what will happen in the next 2 weeks. a lot of scenarios are possible. also the war that is going online between pog/remco vs jonas fans is hilarious

Visma should always take someone to the tdf with a similar size to jonas🤣

@redkeyspoke

9 күн бұрын

And maybe put a dropper post on some of the taller riders' bikes.

@ethanlampe5820

8 күн бұрын

@@redkeyspokeon NBC they talked about how some of the bmc riders used to have a notch in their seat posts for Richie Portes seat height

@garrettchurchey

8 күн бұрын

@@redkeyspokemight be ok for a few minutes but likely still going to be way out on reach and saddle setback

The only stupid thing to do is for jonas to work with remco and pogi on this stage pogi could go 110% on a gravel sector and he drop jonas cuz jonas cant reach the same tempo on that and if pogi gets 10 seconds on a flat road he just fly away from jonas as on the 4 stage

@marcprins3841

8 күн бұрын

REmco will close those 10 sec easy becourse he is way better in time trials

@CyclingFun2531

8 күн бұрын

@@marcprins3841 he has a better chance than jonas but he Will not do it easy

Remco’s being a silly boy. If he’s lucky enough to be able to follow Vinegaard when he attacks in the mountains, Vingegaard won’t expect him to pull. Everyone have to play to their own strengths and not to that of others.

@jmsytbe

8 күн бұрын

I like Remco a lot as a rider, but he has a tendency to think that the world revolves around him. I suspect it's a product of being seen as a golden boy ever since he was a teenager. He's been coddled and yes-man'd for his entire adult life. That rarely produces emotional maturity.

@thorcoudyzer1779

8 күн бұрын

@@jmsytbe Why are so many people hating on Remco when Pogi basically said the same thing in his interview. Force of habit?

@plo250

8 күн бұрын

Remco came out and said Vingegaard didn’t have balls, from what i read. Pogi would never use language like that, neither would he be so demonstratively shaking his head during the race - just not his style at all. That said, I love Remco as a rider and he helps make the tour look super exciting this year.

@thorcoudyzer1779

8 күн бұрын

@@plo250 He said that riding away with the three of them would be racing with big balls. He wasn't mad at Vingegaard, just disappointed that the move didn't work out. He said he has to accept the different tactics of different teams.

@jmsytbe

8 күн бұрын

​@@thorcoudyzer1779I mentioned Remco because the comment I'm responding to is about Remco. I made a nearly identical comment that included Pog elsewhere in this comment section.

I'm not normally a huge Vingegaard fan, but the backlash and accusations of being a boring and negative rider after this stage is honestly some of the most bizzare nonsense I've seen in my 30 years of watching cycling. There is literally no possible scenario where him working with Pog and Remco is anything other than suicide for him. He's in terrain where they're both _VASTLY_ superior to him, in doubtful form, on a teammate's bike. Why would he even consider helping them on terrain where even the smallest slip-up means they're going to destroy him? He was obviously at his limit just defending himself. Remco and Pog both have one thing in common: They've been treated as infallible golden boys of cycling since they picked up a bike. That sort of upbringing and non-stop coddling tends to foster a certain sense of arrogance and entitlement, and boy does that show in their post stage comments. Waaaah, he didn't stick out his throat so we could more easily slit it. They both had such a huge advantage today, and the fact that no time was lost means that, factually and objectively, Vingegaard did his job better than they did theirs. A tough pill to swallow, it appears. And as for the fans: I don't know if it's because most have only watched for a couple years, but Remco and especially Pog are both _EXTREME_ outliers, in terms of being able to destroy a classics style stage like this while also being heavy GT GC favourites. Expecting that from Vingegaard, or indeed any other rider, is absurd. When was the last TdF GC favourite who could also boss a stage like this single handedly? Not Nibali, not Froome, not Contador, not Schleck, not Indurain, not Armstrong, not Ulrich, not Riis, not anyone in the modern or even near-modern eras. Yet somehow these people get confused when Vingegaard - a much more "normal" GT GC rider compared to those 2 freaks of, ahem, nature - doesn't casually emulate them and beat them at their own game. Absolute nonsense.

@LarsRyeJeppesen

9 күн бұрын

100pct agree

@AshRolls

9 күн бұрын

I agree that it wouldn't be the smart thing to do for Jonas, but Jonas IS boring. Does he even like bike racing? People fall in love with riders that sometimes ride with their heart and for the love of the battle, rather than with their head. Pogi and Remco cycle with their hearts.

@fangru7294

9 күн бұрын

Damn. Jonas fanboys cannot handle that people like Tadej and Remco because they are fun to watch and not that boring stuff we always had to watch with Sky which is what Jonas with his rabobank trying to do. He is boring, cold and not fun too sucking behind wheel to look at, deal with it. He is still great GC rider and amazing climber but compared to Tadej and Remco, his riding is just boring af.

@Jan-se1nd

9 күн бұрын

Chapeau!

@louisfourie800

9 күн бұрын

Wow love the sub comments to this comment. But stand up to Jonas on this question: Why would he not put mateo jorgenson to work with pogacar and even relay himself when its the 3 of them ahead of remco working on his own towing teammates and roglic even further back? That is the most selfless and arrogant showing of this whole stage

Jorgensen saved the day for Visma.

@5508Vanderdekken

9 күн бұрын

? Jorgensen, Laporte, WVA you mean? Or better yet, visma’s stronger team saved the day for visma?

@neilmc120

9 күн бұрын

That’s what they pay him for. Good job by him and Laporte today with WVA.

@LarsRyeJeppesen

9 күн бұрын

Except he almost made a Froome

@adshdhhhd7783

9 күн бұрын

Great team work. WVA was really strong.

@chaseadventures

9 күн бұрын

This is a fact

There have been 2 stages this week that should have favored Pog over Jonas. Jonas has held his own. As the tour goes on, stage conditions will favor Jonas and Visma. It’s been a good TDF so far. It’s going to be fun to watch it unfold.

@lester8403

9 күн бұрын

What is your take on the mountain stages? I personally think UAE has a much much better climbing team than Visma so Vingegaard will probably be isolated throughout those stages but Vingegaard should in theory be a better climber right?

@ninnak-ve5ko

9 күн бұрын

The later stages maybe favour Jonas..but definitely not his team.

@ninnak-ve5ko

8 күн бұрын

@lester8403 In theory he is a better climber..when he is in full form..right now he doesn't look like he is. Pogacar has much stronger team for the last week. But the question is will the Giro come into play for him

@5508Vanderdekken

8 күн бұрын

@@lester8403in theory they have a better climbing team, but I think the team lacks the “all in” mentality that visma has. Ayuso does not sacrifice everything he has to put pog in a position to win

1:03:00 I love your jokes Benji, even if Patrick pretends they aren't funny

@redkeyspoke

9 күн бұрын

That's their sthick. Straight-man / funny-man. Maybe unintentional, but in my opinion a big factor in why they are so entertaining.

@GDF07

9 күн бұрын

@@redkeyspoke If Patrick - who literally chases flies during the podcast - is the straight man, the show is in trouble 😂

@redkeyspoke

9 күн бұрын

@@GDF07 lol, straight man can be funny, too. He just keeps a straight face, mostly.

Jonas did the correct thing, His team was stromg. He used them

Felix Gall came back with Roglic and Ayuso after that steep gravel hill

@oscarw1060

8 күн бұрын

Felix Gall was dropped about 10 times and every time someone else (Remco, WvA, Roglic, others) happened to also be behind and pace him back

The Goat Track.....!!! 😂 Gets a mention in a TdF Podcast, you are killing me.

Jonas is incredible. Look at Bernal, he had a severe crash years ago and still isn’t close to his old form. Different injuries but jonas didn’t just have road rash..his recovery is phenomenal.

@eddiel7635

8 күн бұрын

Some might say unbelievable

Patrick and Benji - would you consider answering KZread-comments and -questions at the end of every stage vid? Just something to think about on this beautiful rest day.

Lanterne Rouge should in one moment or another invite Prof Bert Blocken to talk about cycling aerodynamics and drafting

50:30 "Bigger than the football World Cup, bigger than the Superbowl, Anthony Turgis wins for Total Energies!' So good.

jonas never takes the bait to work if has domestiques behind he doesnt like the wind hes a small guy...they defend as a team and do it better than anyone. Wout , laporte, matteo all bridged impressive gaps for jonas and jonas helped himself a couple times. Tadej knows what to expecton stage in mountains when matteo drops it will be different and jonas doesnt have the perfect prep like last year. Jonas was on the drops riding for his lifewhen tadej and remco were on hoods solid as a rock. He will surie and live to fight another day its ra cing and jumbo kill off stages that dont suit him bette than anyone. ALl that said other riders in race dont like the negative racing and it could hurt in situation where jonas looksfor help to get back to tadej and only remoc or roglic etc is there. He is a bit prickly where as tadej and remco are very youthful less mature and have a bit of bromance going. Jonas rides so smart its perfect mentality for GC . He has to be able to win lombardia just not same incentive I guess. His style doesnt inspire or capture the imagination though ie nibali or tadej : ) Enjoy rest day and rest of tour. Biniam is riding like sagan that endurance and ability to surf if theyhad a champs de lysee stage hed take it going away this year

I love that they’re finally talking some trash to each other, I’ve been wondering how long it would take, it’s good for the fans to see the best guys in the world showing some ego and emotion.

It’s a shame UAE have so many guys who are playing for the podium rather than selling out for Tadej. His Giro squad was more loyal and might have done e better overall. How many times has Jonas’ team bailed him out already in this tour. Where was UAE when Tadej attacked Jonas and dropped him? If Tadej loses, it won’t be because he’s not the best, but rather because he did not have the best team.

@adshdhhhd7783

9 күн бұрын

There's a real ego problem in this team. It's been like that for a little while. But that's what you get when you hire so many GC focused guys and send them together in GTs.

@ricardorusso1462

9 күн бұрын

@@adshdhhhd7783 I’ve only really seen Ayuso behave like that so far on the galibier stage. UAE brought a very climber heavy team compared to Visma so I never expected them to have a lot of firepower on a stage like today. And if you want to be fair, all of the other GC teams were also on the ropes today, none of them really had much of an impact besides Visma

@5508Vanderdekken

8 күн бұрын

100%

@martinsolden1595

8 күн бұрын

Well it might also be down to him burning matches on a stage like yesterday (stage 9).

@rdklkje13

8 күн бұрын

UAE have a completely different approach. They've never been about teamwork. Whereas Visma ramped up their already great teamwork in order to win the TdF even with a rider as extraordinary as Pogi in the peloton. Last year, when UAE showed great team strategy in Lombardia for pretty much the first time ever, I was hoping they might develop that for this year. And they have, in some ways. What we've seen so far this spring and early summer is already quite different from how they rode most of the time in the past. If I didn't know better I might suspect Merijn Zeeman has been moonlighting for them 😂 What they're doing this TdF is a little different again. It seems like they made their team selection based on their annoyance that in 2023 no one but they themselves cared that they topped the UCI points ranking, theoretically making them the best team in the world. Since, ya know, Visma's #samenwinnen approach led them to become the first team in history to win all three GTs in one season, doing so with three different riders, riders who swept the podium in the last of those three GTs, with the winner having ridden and completed the lot in the top-15. And doing so on a budget much lower than that of UAE, a mere eight years after being at the bottom of the WT to boot. I get the feeling that UAE thought, stuff that, how can _we_ win those three GTs next season AND sweep the most important one of those three podia - where they got 2nd and 3rd in 2023, another achievement quickly relegated to the shadows by the light of Visma's team successes. So they decided to care a bit more about teamwork _and_ send four potential podium candidates to the TdF. Which leaves room for only four other riders. Do they have a realistic chance of sweeping this TdF podium? Probably. They're by far the strongest team in the mountains this year. Helped into that position by Visma having to show up with their C team (min Kuss, Van Baarle, Kruiswijk, Van Hooydonk; plus Van Aert). UAE's main challenge now is their own history of focusing on individuals rather than on teamwork. So we'll see how four, now three, UAE GC riders with less than a year of team focus on teamwork will hold up in the mountains against a Visma C team supported by a decade of intense focus on _team_ development. Unless something happens to Pogi and/or Jonas, of course, including hard to predict effects of the different preparation they both had this year compared to previous years. And depending on how Remco and Rogla hold up in the mountains.

Great stages makes for great stage reviews.

Do you think Tratnik started with a bike set up for Jonas? The bike change didn't seem to bother Jonas and a shorter stem for Jan wouldn't be too bad on a gravel stage

@jmsytbe

8 күн бұрын

He said he did not. JV had tried out his bike earlier, and said it was good enough as it was.

@marcusb4995

8 күн бұрын

@@jmsytbe thanks, that's really interesting

@annm9589

8 күн бұрын

He did not, but they are similar sized and they did practice having to give him his bike for the gravel stage.

Benji is brilliant on this breakaway analysis

@simonstrane

9 күн бұрын

Jonas is one step closer to winning the Tour.

@christopherprang387

9 күн бұрын

@@simonstrane unless what he says at minut 25... of course Vingo should relay with the 2 others...he has the wrong bike, he is to light and has too little power on the gravel = slides around = needs teammates to support him

Very entertaining stage! Great to see Turgis win.

LR is 6'1? Never would have guessed!

@systemicchaos3921

8 күн бұрын

I know, I never thought about it but I just assumed he was 5,7 climber type.

Can you please make a clip on the Jonas strategy discussion? Starts when Patrick reads Pog's declarations to FTV

@oo7kamikaze

7 күн бұрын

Looks like they saw this! Good call.

They should have let Pogacar go alone when he attacked 88 km away. Let him take 30 seconds, then control him at a certain distance. No way he could stand alone that long against Visma riders + Remco.

@jmsytbe

8 күн бұрын

Possibly, but it was made risky by the fact that there was a pretty strong break up ahead. If he'd joined up with that, and they actually worked together, that could have been trouble.

@martinsolden1595

8 күн бұрын

Wow.... that would have been sooo smart... well unless Pogy haddent won a race after a 80k breakaway earlier this year... unless its a gravel stage and you might puncture and throw away the hole tour on a stund like that.

One thing iv learned watching cycling 30+years...When riders tells reporters they didnt attack or help push the pace, due to tactical reasons.. The real reason is always, they didnt have the legs for it.. But stage 9 and JW might be that exception to prove me wrong.. There is no way on earth JW should put any more energy out than needed on a flat/hilly gravel stage. Not loosing any time, given the energy Pogy out into this stage.. Thats a win for him. JW might have podium as his real goal, knowing a win might be to long a shot. And his usual tactic is always save energy when ever possible and then put all effort into a very narrow part of 1 or 2 stages.

The Mammoth Maple is a great nickname. That’s gotta stick for Derrick Gee

Derrick Gee nickname suggestion. Derrick GC

Can we please get a "Why can't they just watch the fucking TdF?" sound clip? 😂

Simon Yates was in the last 5 riders in the peloton when they hit the steep second sector. What was he thinking?!

Impressed by strong and intellligent riding by Visma today, Remco looked strong as he should in a hilly/flat race. I wonder if Visma have the team to really press the big mountains to Tadej next weekend though?

Well since the tdf is the 3d most watched sport event (behind football WM and Olympics) the stage today was the most watched sport event today :-)

Why did Tadej and Remco not continue pulling once they caught the breakaway? Surely it was obvious that Jonas was not comfortable on the gravel and so they could have attacked again from the breakaway group, won the stage and put loads of time into him. And not to mention Roglic was a minute behind too. Am I missing something?

Biggest disappointment for GC in week 1 has been: ______ Biggest surprise for GC in week 1 has been: ______ For me it’s 1) Carlos Rodriguez and 2) Derrick Gee

I'm pretty sure Pidcock chased Stuyven quite a lot too actually

Amazing stage. I must admit i'd never heard of Turgis before (I was surprised when I checked PCS and saw came 2nd in MSR) but I did say to myself with 30km to go that it would be great if the random Total Energy rider in the breakaway could beat the likes of Pidcock, Healy, Gee etc. Geoffery Soupe in the Vuelta and now Turgis in the Tour. Total Energy on fire in the Grand Tours.

The thing is that benoot and tratnik never came back after Jonas puncture and if they still was in the peloton i think visma would be more offensive cuz they would have more numbers to play who is like top 10 riders on a stage like this and that couldve dropped remco when he was in the back cuz if they pull remco Will have problem to come back and even if he comes back and that would changed it how he rides and i think pogi wouldnt be that offensive cuz he knows Jonas would have like 5 riders to help him catch back.

would love to see POGI race Roubaix next year. Reckon he could give a good go at Unbound in the next few years too if he's bored lol

A gravel stage every tour please😊

Can we get a rest day video please? No rest for LR

Visma Lab undoubtedly has the strongest all-round team. Where UAE was occasionally around tadej, visma had 2-4 riders nearly always with Jonas. Could’ve been more if tratnik wasn’t dropped early. A lot of hay has been made about UAE’s “super team” but they’re not all in for tadej. They’re there for him, but not all in. It’s arguable that UAE has the ability to use its guns to put Jonas in trouble in the mountains, despite visma not being able to support Jonas there. Didn’t see anything on stage 4 that made me think so

@antoniorossi4007

9 күн бұрын

To be fair, this stage was definitely one where Visma’s team as a whole was going to shine and definitely be the best on the day. Their lineup has quite a few riders that are really strong in classics/one day races. In the mountains, they definitely aren’t as strong as UAE.

@martinthemaverick6052

9 күн бұрын

Lol u are casual fan fr. UAE has 1.5 roulers with 6 moutain domestiques

@adrianbuck8772

9 күн бұрын

Their squad is built for the mountains. Off course Ayuso,Almeida, Yates dont help much in gravel sectors but each of them has already finished an Grand Tour GC on the Podium. Almeida and Yates already clearly showed at Stage 4 how commited they are for Pogis win and Ayuso pace some aswell.

@J-cz7yv

9 күн бұрын

@@5508Vanderdekken as all Visma fans are saying “wait for the mountains”. All of UAE are saying “wait for the mountains” we will see how it plays out.

@adshdhhhd7783

9 күн бұрын

Yeah, I don't think this stage could have made a huge difference for the win. The mountains though...

Week 2 in the mountain is when we will see visma in the breakaway and they will start to play tactic and that is when uae need to come together and work for pogi and if they play right they can beat visma but i think visma will outplay uae cuz almeida and ayuso is not gonna work for pogi like jorgensson and van aert will for jonas and i think the teams can be the decider of the tour and we have seen it before from visma

@mariyankolev4427

9 күн бұрын

what a story u should make a movie

3mm is a fair bit over 3 hrs

@grimdonkey1

9 күн бұрын

I ran the math and it comes out to about 1mm/hr

@orangeorphan

9 күн бұрын

I can feel 3mm easily. It isn’t always a bad thing though. Sometimes it feels good to change position a little bit. I’m always messing with my position.

@traderz13

8 күн бұрын

Jonas said it was a perfect bike and no effect. Is be surprised if they didnt change Tratniks bike to be Jonas size for this stage - its what i would do and Visma think of these sort of things so its crazy to think they would do this.

@adventuresona700dollarhard5

8 күн бұрын

@@grimdonkey1😂

@adventuresona700dollarhard5

8 күн бұрын

He looked like he was riding his big brother's bike.

Jesus Cavalli can’t catch a break. She’s been my favorite rider in the women’s peloton since that beastly win and post-up at Flèche 2022. Ever since then it’s been injury after injury

The final winner is so hard to predict and I love it: I’d say the odds are 70% Tadej 25% Jonas and 5% Remco Most things point towards Tadej, being up early not recovering from a crash. Even further the script is flipped compared to previous years. Visma LAB's lackluster team(in the mountains) can hinder the potential for Vingegaard cracking Pogacar in the third week. Maybe Jorgenson can do something, but I doubt it. However I believe, if played right, the emergence of Evenepoel and the return of Roglic can play in to the hands of Vingegaard. He has to keep them close in the GC. If they have strength they might be able to attack the two favorites. In this case it’s vital for Jonas to not react and let Pogacar chase them. In the end it’s Tadej's tour to lose. In other words. Jonas needs to be willing to lose the podium to win the race. In case of a no Pogacar reaction Vingegaard needs to call his bluff, Tadej has the most to lose. This is the best hope Jonas has to put pressure on Tadej even without a strong Sepp Kuss or Van Aert. Still I’d say Tadej is more likely to win, Jonas still needs to crack him. There are questions if he will have his usual edge in the third week, and rightly so. A lot of things has to go wrong for Tadej, but it can happen and that is the fun part.

@annm9589

8 күн бұрын

really we will not know jonas form until the mountains. he suffered serious injury so we will see but I think this year is Pogi's to lose IMO

Roglic's problem here was positioning not legs today imo

@jmsytbe

8 күн бұрын

It often is with him, although sometimes one happens as a result of the other.

17:18

Patrick - "Im 6'1" Not a chance mate! lol

Tourges mitiko

gee is the ornithologist, no? great recap guys

Remco looks like a kid who was promised a Playstation 5 but got a SNES instead.

@jmsytbe

9 күн бұрын

Hey, I'd take the SNES any day. Although in this case, a more accurate analogy might be: A kid who got the chance to win a PS5 in a race tailored to his needs, only to mess it up and blame the kid in the wheelchair for refusing to give him a lift.

@rdklkje13

8 күн бұрын

@@jmsytbe That's it. For all this talk about how Jonas should've pulled with Remco and/or Pogi I haven't seen a single convincing argument why Visma should include him in their Classics team. There are very good reasons they don't. Same reasons he's not going to the Olympics. I really don't know why people think he could or should be able to do any of this.

Jorgensen just Single Handly saved visma lease a bike season without his wins at dwars door and Paris nice. There would be much more Pressure on them without his victories. Maybe except koij giro win and van aert kurne win.

think you guy see differnt race then i do . Remco was never in trouble the whole race except at 1 time when he got stuck after a rider . If vindegaard would have ride with pogie and remco the Top 3 would have been know in this tour . But Vindegaard is like always he need whole team. Poggie and Remco can do it with out a team. Vindegaard ride the TDF with the idea a dont wont to loss the race instead of trying to win the race Roglic is also one of those riders that only can follow right now .And even that is hard to do for him

On the off chance Jonas doesn’t podium this year. Who will?

@lester8403

9 күн бұрын

I have no clue how strong remco is on the mountains

Goodness gracious, love you guys but stop treating Rog like garbage. Geez.

@nichelasgarcia2676

8 күн бұрын

Right? Getting annoying af!

Jonas just had a massive crash, broke a ton of bones and punctured his lung. He was in the ICU for 8 days. The fact that he's in the race is amazing, the fact that he's competitive is totally insane. Jonas attacked Tadej and got 5+ minutes on Tadej in one stage last year. Jonas is riding the smart race, getting back in form, and will go for the jugular in the final mountain stages. His strength is in the mountains, he just needs to keep it close until we get there.

@J-cz7yv

9 күн бұрын

@@chaseadventures to be accurate Jonas did not attack Tadej and get 5 minutes. WHEN Pog bonked, no one was attacking. Just stating the obvious but you are correct, Jonas did take 5+ minutes lol

@chaseadventures

9 күн бұрын

@@J-cz7yv fair fair

@guarrafet

9 күн бұрын

I'm always a bit surprised by the confidence everyone seems to have in the "Jonas will get better and better" narrative. He hasn't raced in 3 months, maybe he isn't ready for a 3-week race and he's the one losing 5 minutes at some point, who knows.

@redkeyspoke

9 күн бұрын

Maybe, remains to be proven. Lots of people assuming Jonas will improve over the three weeks, when there's probably as much of a chance that his lack of base shows up in the end. That, and his relative lack of team strength will make it hard to break Tadej and capitalize with lots of time taken.

@chaseadventures

9 күн бұрын

@@redkeyspoke yeah I still think it'd be a miracle if Jonas wins GC but this his best shot imo

They should dampen down the dust

@LarsRyeJeppesen

9 күн бұрын

No

@adshdhhhd7783

9 күн бұрын

Or stay on proper roads :D

Is Pog racing dumb?

@jmsytbe

9 күн бұрын

No, he has a huge advantage over JV on a stage like this, it makes sense to try and take it. However, both he and Remco, and their fans, do appearently expect Vingegaard to be racing dumb. Sadly for them, he didn't, and so the chance was lost.

@louisfourie800

9 күн бұрын

Hes racing smart. If Visma didnt have such a strong classics team jonas couldve been done for

@ricardoquiterio9272

9 күн бұрын

i think if this stage had another gravel mountain vingegaard would be dropped by pogaçar

@chaseadventures

9 күн бұрын

No, he saw a window and went for it. He's stronger on a stage like this than Jonas. Matteo really saved the day for Jonas and maybe even Remco. Maybe Remco pulls it back but Tadej gapped them pretty bad

@adshdhhhd7783

9 күн бұрын

He might be tiring himself. He can't possibly keep that pace for 3 weeks.

I can confirm vittoria corsa pros have absolute shit puncture protection

What a rubbish performance by S.Yates. What hope do you have when you are the last rider entering the first gravel sector.

@5508Vanderdekken

8 күн бұрын

Staying on the leaders group with little to no support? You’re right, def sucks

And Ef total played it really well

Jonas has the right to want to play defensive on stages like these. But spectators have right to support others as a result of it.

@MapleSyrup13

9 күн бұрын

Of course you do, it just makes it look like you don't understand grand tour strategy. You want carnage, watch NASCAR.

@jmsytbe

9 күн бұрын

The issue isn't who you or your kind are supporting, it's that, to put it frankly, a lot of the comments make it look like people are severely lacking in cycling knowledge. You have the right to your opinion, but others also have the right to call out that opinion, especially if it appears to be based on a complete lack of understanding of basic cycling tactics and strategy. Or a lack of understanding of what different types of riders can or cannot do.

@Jan-se1nd

8 күн бұрын

How many GTs have you followed?

People calling jonas boring because of this 1 stage? Do they forget the last 2 tour’s or all his 1 week stages races victories

@eddiel7635

8 күн бұрын

Winning doesn’t make you exciting

@johanb3563

8 күн бұрын

@@eddiel7635 you do know most of his stage wins are solo victories? from attacking. People just compare him to pogacar, because that’s his main rival, who’s an extremely aggresive rider. Compared to most grand tour riders his much more attacking

@eddiel7635

8 күн бұрын

@@johanb3563 he’s not an exciting rider he’s just on a very dubious team.

@johanb3563

8 күн бұрын

@@eddiel7635 just go back to last years tour, stage 5 and 6 jonas started the attacking both days

@eddiel7635

8 күн бұрын

@@johanb3563 being on a team with heavy ped use and taking advantage of a risk free attack is not exciting

I think Derek “Gee” has official forced a name change for Garrett “G” Thomas and Thomas’s new nickname should clearly be. . . “O.G.”

@5508Vanderdekken

9 күн бұрын

It’s Geriant Thomas

I mean that's the way Vingegaard rides, he's a pure climber and he'll only attack you up there, otherwise he pretty much gives no emotion whatsoever and seeing him always looking around for his teammates kinda makes him look a bit bad like a headless chicken without teammates. I'm enjoying Remco way more than Vingegaard and i didn't expect this at all

@jmsytbe

9 күн бұрын

You know you're dealing with extremely _new_ fans when athletes in a team sport are being critized for using their team.

@Soli11

8 күн бұрын

Cycling is a team sport. This is also why Pogacar has chosen a team full of mountain domestiques because he knows that is Jonas' terrain when they get to the real big mountains.

How can Visma be saying Jonas can barely ride his bike and only focus on the yellow jersey contenders(pog) and not the podium contenders.

@jmsytbe

9 күн бұрын

They can't. Which is probably why they haven't, I would guess.

@louisfourie800

9 күн бұрын

@@jmsytbe they played possum hard before the tour started

@jmsytbe

9 күн бұрын

@@louisfourie800 To an extent. "Jonas can barely ride his bike" is very much your words though, not theirs. They never went that far, or close to it. They also said he'd only race if he was in good enough shape to be competitive, ie. race for the win. It's clear that Visma-LAB only care about the win, not secondary podium spots.

@LarsRyeJeppesen

9 күн бұрын

They didn't, question is why you are lying?

Remco said that Jonas didn’t have the balls to race today. Love the fighting words lol.

@LarsRyeJeppesen

9 күн бұрын

Moronic words. Let's see if Remco has "the balls" to race in the mountains

@Jan-se1nd

9 күн бұрын

Yeah, that one more or less confirmed Remco's poor understanding of tactics. But I get it, Remco rides for a podium whereas Jonas rides to beat Pogi and win the Tour. I don't think Jonas even cares about the podium at this point.

@louisfourie800

9 күн бұрын

I agree 100%. Its not just jonas not pulling when its the 3 of them. Jonas not even to put a team mate to work when it is jorngenson, vingegaard and pogacar with roglic and evenepoel behind. That shows jonas/visma has no racing balls. Am gonna laugh my ass off if jonas misses out on podium because of this, but doubt that will hapen

@jmsytbe

9 күн бұрын

Remco is a spoiled brat who thinks the world exists to be his domestiques. Today, the Tour gifted him and Pog a golden opportunity to take time, on a stage where they have a HUGE advantage compared to JV and even Roglic. They failed to take advantage, and have only themselves to blame. JV was like a fish out of water in this terrain, but defended himself superbly.

@simon6495

9 күн бұрын

@@louisfourie800Jonas is only racing for the first spot, they don’t care if roglic is behind. Why the hell would they pull just for pogacar to beat him in a sprint and gain time?

Jonas has been playing plenty mind games in the press. Every stage he says, oh I expected to loose xmins today, but I only lost y, so really pog underperformed, so I expect to beat him later in the big mountains. Or he says This stage suits Pog coz hes 10kg heavier, so of course he would be better. (Pretty sure when the race goes up hill be wont be saying this suits me better as Im 10kgs lighter, hell just say hes STRONGER in the longer mountains). So not sure why all thse Jonas fans whinning about what Remco said when its the same game of trying to wind up the other competitor.

On average, humans have height fluctuations of more than 5mm throughout the day. 3mm seat height difference is minimal

@simonrobbins815

9 күн бұрын

🤣 their legs aren't changing length by 5mm, it's spinal compression. You'll feel 3mm over 3 hours even if not the end of the World.

@LarsRyeJeppesen

9 күн бұрын

The issue was the steering position.

It is very sad to hear people say that they know nothing about politics. So sad. Being involved in politics is an obligation of a citizen. The world gets better when the masses enter politics, not when they ignore it.

it is pretty simple. Yes it would be extremely stupid for Ving to work with the other two when the split happened. However that is exactly why Remco and Pog are much more enjoyable to watch. People who hated the sky train forget that if Pogacar didn't exist, we would have no action on any stage other than mountain ones where VLAB makes a train until everyone is dropped.

@adshdhhhd7783

9 күн бұрын

JV won a pretty impressive TT last year as well. In the last decades, GC riders tend to be like that (great climbers and TT guys with strong teams), Pogacar and Roglic are a bit of a different breed.

@jmsytbe

9 күн бұрын

What Vingegaard has done over the last couple years is not remotely comparable to the torture of the SkyTrain days. Stages like Grannon and Hautacam in 2022, or Tourmalet and Marie Blanque in 2023, are far beyond what Froome did in the TdF in those years.

@5508Vanderdekken

8 күн бұрын

Sorry you can’t enjoy the full spectrum of cycling

Jonas wheel sucking tactic actually helped Pogaçar more than he knows. Were they to work together and ride away Jonas would have put time on both Almeida and Ayuso rendering them useless as secondary riders in gc. UAE’s DSs are pretty bad with tactics and have been for years.

@jmsytbe

9 күн бұрын

In theory that could make sense, but in reality they're already useless as secondary GC riders, from Vismas perspective. They absolutely do not care about any GC threat from anyone in UAE except Pog, not even a little bit. They barely even care about Remco and Roglic. Any "GC attack" from Almeida, Ayuso or even Yates will be ignored outright by Visma. They simply don't care.

@Jan-se1nd

8 күн бұрын

The idea Ayuso and Almeida were ever anything else than GC fluff baffles me. In what universe would Jonas be worried about them -- he's beaten both without issue before. If he's in form, Pogi is the Worry. If he's not in form, well, then so what? Yeah, he'll try for a podium but only after GC has settled at which point Ayuso and Almeida will have become irrelevant. I'm more inclined to believe it's about man management -- letting them believe they have a GC role to soothe their egos. And we've already seen Ayuso has one hell of a an ego.

I really wish Pogacar and Remco could get off the front of the group together. I think they'd work together and rip the race apart! 🔥 I hate it when Jonas gets off the front with Pogacar. He just sits on Pogacar's wheel. Jonas is definitely a strong and smart rider, but he's so boring! 😂

@LarsRyeJeppesen

9 күн бұрын

You know he was not on his own bike right? I think you do but just let's your hate overshadow it

@jmsytbe

9 күн бұрын

I'll ask you the same question I've asked others with this opinion, and have yet to receive a useful answer to: What would be his motivation to suddenly start working with Pog and Remco? Mind you, I'm not asking for _your_ motivation (you think it would be more entertaining), I'm asking for _his_ motivation. What would he stand to gain, and how would this offset what he stands to lose (expanding energy to help Pog, only for Pog to attack in terrain that's vastly more comfortable to him and dump him)?

@lordoflaziness7775

9 күн бұрын

@@LarsRyeJeppesenIt’s a fact that JV is a boring rider, who doesn’t take risk. Just bc you’re a Vingegaard fanboy doesn’t make us haters for pointing out the truth. Get it? 🤡

@louisfourie800

9 күн бұрын

@@lordoflaziness7775faxxxxx

@morten123456789

9 күн бұрын

@@lordoflaziness7775 A fact?! Amazing! Please do show me the well thought-out and researched thesis? ... Y-You don't have one? ... Well emm I assume you have more then just objective opinion right? ................Right?.... Oh dear. Another child, how embarassing. Some people like watching riders just use nothing but their legs and then win big or lose hard. And some like watching the tactics and the teamwork of cycling. You clearly belong to the former, and there is no problem with that .. That is your subjective view and preference. Now, please allow us more ... Sophisticated veteran watchers to appreciate well thought out tactics and reason in a rider like Vingegaard. (btw, me thinking myself a more sophisticated viewer is totally subjective and might not be rightfully representative of the situation. But I thought it would annoy you so I did it anyway. See how opinions work? Good now back to the circus with ye.)

Jonas is the reason i want somebody else to win... this is just boring and nobody wants to see him

@5508Vanderdekken

9 күн бұрын

lol cope harder

@jmsytbe

9 күн бұрын

Guys why didn't Vingegaard, a 58kg pure climber with no classics or gravel experience, use all his energy to help his two main rivals, both of which are absolute world class classics specialists, ride further away from the peleton and the remains of his team? I just don't understand even though my mom says I'm ever so smart and handsome.

@arthurdemange1090

9 күн бұрын

​@@jmsytbebest comment I ve Seen today😂😂😂

@LarsRyeJeppesen

9 күн бұрын

​@@jmsytbethese guys are so dumb it's insane

@adshdhhhd7783

9 күн бұрын

Many people don't understand how to win the biggest race in the world here. Those guys are not here to have fun or show how strong they are, they're here to win that race. JV showed he could do that the last two years. We'll see what happens this year. A smart rider needs to know his/her limits and strengths and work with that in mind. JV had no reason to ride during this stage.

Anti-Cycling! The man hates cycling. Why does he even bother turning up in bike races?

@jmsytbe

9 күн бұрын

I was gonna respond "why bother watching cycling if you have absolutely no understanding of even the most basic aspects of the sport at all?", but that wouldn't be fair. We all have to start somewhere. Just... try to educate yourself, just a little bit. Try to pick up knowledge, for example by listening to commentators or podcasters, and by just trying to analyze what's happening on the screen in front of you. I suspect that, once you've followed the sport for a year or two, you'll be able to look back at your old comments and cringe. That's growth!

@RingMeNow

8 күн бұрын

@@francistumwesige1028 I have solutions for you, keep your eyes on your “fun rider” and close your eyes when Jonas pass by.