Remember when Seth had trouble with Budget magic decks because Path to Exile was too expensive? I miss those times.

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

The good ol' days.

@testthewest123

Жыл бұрын

The times, when you died to Tron and Blood Moon and Infect on turn 2 with no recourse? Honestly, people are weird. "Those times" weren't better than todays modern. And Path was never a good card - it was the only option.

@u1trav10let2

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@@testthewest123 this guy is trolling

@douglasharris6912

Жыл бұрын

modern has not been fun in 4 or 5 years.

@henrye3935

Жыл бұрын

@@testthewest123 Today's Modern is a static waist of time imo. Instead of being shaped by 22 years of Magic history, it's shaped by 2 sets, with very little hope for new cards/archetypes breaking through because those two sets were too strong. It's only hope is more premium priced products with even stronger expensive cards. No thank you.

I had a realization during m21 and og jumpstart where I had pulled I think my 2nd or 3rd Baneslayer Angel and actually thought “ah man, another one??”. At that same moment I realized how strange it was to be dissapointed to pull a Baneslayer Angel. That card was one of the iconic, powerful and valuable cards of its time. It’s a shame to see some of our favorites lose their places in the meta and also how they have even become somewhat forgotten. Love the episode!

I think the biggest reason Snapcaster sees less play now is how the removal suite of azorious/ UWX control has shifted. You can't flashback a leyline binding or a solitude, and the x-cost spells (prismatic ending/march of otherworldy light) while flexible, feel really bad with the snapcaster tax or are stuck at sorcery speed. In current modern Azorious control your efficient flashback target is basically just counterspell. Azorius decks also heavily shifted to incorporate chalice, which also pushed the deck off of 1-cost spells. If dimir control saw more play, then Snapcaster would be more prevalent. Dimir has a lot more viable targets: fatal push, hand disruption, drown in the loch, counterspell, as well as cantrips like consider/thought scour/opt. If we saw a meta shift towards u/b or U/B/X instead of U/W/X then Snap would see a pretty dramatic rise in value.

@WitherFang

Жыл бұрын

This is why I always take Goldfish's staple evaluation with a grain of salt. There's always more context behind why some cards don't see play like you just wrote.

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

I think is is partly true, although Snapcaster's decline predates those cards, so I don't think that's the whole story.

@reyny2118

Жыл бұрын

Agree with the Goldfishes. Snapcaster hasn't been played in a long time.

@clashcitycretin10

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​@Reyny snap was played pre mh2 but it was starting to decline due to wrenn and six. Hard to justify paying an x-1 when wrenn exists.

@callmehal7241

Жыл бұрын

Almost every deck that would play snappy would rather play murktide or breach, both of which fill similar niches but are more powerful for the 2 mana invested.

I feel like wotc will eventually reprint some of these cards like Snapcaster Mage, Wild Nacatl, and etc into Standard in hopes they get new life in Pioneer/Explorer.

@CasualKing21

Жыл бұрын

I hadn't thought of that, that's a good idea!

@Rucarlos

Жыл бұрын

They already started with Liliana

@mattm7798

Жыл бұрын

Snappy...maybe. WN, likely not in a standard with triomes or shocks(or maybe part of a summer set to give 3 months with full power WN)

@JT-91

Жыл бұрын

at that point pioneer is modern and modern becomes legacy and legacy will be vintage

Jund: the podcast

@andycic.544

Жыл бұрын

Legends say there was once a card called "t-,tearmogaffe?" That was very powerful.

I think there is another point you missed on Snapcaster Mage. Casting Snapcaster to get back a piece of interaction, like a Lightning Bolt or some form of countermagic, was VERY important to the decks that played it. Considering the most used pieces of top tier interaction nowadays are creatures (the Evoke elementals), I think this might be the greatest factor as to why Snapcaster Mage is not as good. He doesn't work for the niche he mainly used to anymore.

The one of One Ring being a casualty to Flip It or Rip It is a real possibility.

@sjdhrjrjejdhdhsh

Жыл бұрын

It'll still be worth $100,000+

thanks for reminding me why I play Pioneer

This is the first time I've felt like a Magic boomer. I was constantly going "What?? You can't play _______ anymore???" Great podcast. PS Y'all talking about Digg and Myspace and I'm over here with an old Friendster account twiddling my thumbs.

@jeremyromney9372

Жыл бұрын

@NonBilly Bardy Same. Path to exile and snapcaster really got me... I've started playing modern again only recently.... I had always hoped free interaction would stay with legacy... Guess I need to move to pioneer now. XD

I’m surprised they didn’t say anything about my girl Bloodbraid Elf. I miss her actually being a good card

One thing on the one ring drama: If no one announces they get it within like six months, for example, I already see some people printing their one ring proxies to scam people who offered 100k and such prices. On a lighter one I just imagined Gavin or Blake opening the pack, then notice the One Ring and try to slide it back while pretending it's not there :D

@YoungLiam74

Жыл бұрын

Bock litterally runs the high end group. Gl trying to scam him lol.

So pretty much most cards before modern rotated with mh2 lol

Oh my! Another Podcast entry I'll be able to listen to (due to the circumstances)! EDIT: Listening to the smart comments on every card without interruptions was a delight!

From what I heard Tron is still really good against all the midrange decks. Main issues are the super fast decks and Urza Saga making colorless constructs. Tron's mass removal like Ugin's minus and All is dust can't touch em constructs, so its an uphill battle against the best land in the format. Funny how the forth Urza land is the one that does in Tron.

about storm.... just unban rite of flame and seething song and it comes back immediately.

You guys were close to figuring out why Tron is bad. The reason relates to Eldrazi. That season was so dominant for colorless cards that WotC stopped making strong colorless cards altogether. OG Karn was good in comparison to its compatriots, but those Planeswalkers have been power crept away and we should be playing Karn 2.0 or even 3.0 by now. There just isn't one... and there are similar stories across every mana value slot in the deck.

@alwaysplaythegame

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At least that's my take on it. After Ugin we haven't seen power creep in big colorless spells like we have with the cheaper and midrange colored creatures.

Remember back before MH1 when Modern players nagged WotC constantly to have cards printed directly into Modern bypassing the constraining requirements of having been printed in a Standard set

@zenmaster8826

Жыл бұрын

I Remember also when players complained that standard didn’t bring much to the eternal formats.. and wotc stated they’d make spells less efficient and slower during BFZ 🤣🤣

The one ring will be in the first print run. I wonder if all serialized cards are in the first print run.

Also, regarding big vendors cracking packs.... They aren't paying market price for those packs and still selling the cards for full market price whereas the public has to pay market price and then usually if they do sell the card it's below market price to a vendor.

Issue with tron is so many other decks put out huge threats for super cheap without having to spend half their deck searching for a specific set of lands. Murktide drops a 5/5 or bigger flier for 2 mana while playing other good value/control/other threats.

This episode perfectly encapsulates why I don't play Modern anymore. I loved my janky Spirits/Gideon and Turbofog decks and my BG Tron deck when I felt like winning. The Modern Horizons sets absolutely destroyed those decks. I only play commander now.

A surprising amount of the video boiled down to "the removal is too powerful". Obviously #1 being "this format is too fast now" but the removal being key in a lot if interesting.

Really enjoyed this episode once again seth ur a baller we love you

Can you post a link to the Reddit post Richard mentioned, about the 20 steps to fix storm? I can't find it anywhere and have to read it :D

6:42 I asked this question in another Magic channel and got laughed at. The overwhelming response was "you tell everyone to drive traffic to your store, duh".

My two modern decks that I've owned since the early days of the format are elves and infect. Both of which pretty much became unplayable when Modern Horizons was printed. I was hopeful when Rotpriest was printed, because it seems like that card could make infect playable again. But it seems like all the free removal spells are kinda rough for infect. I'm hoping Lord of the Rings will bring some powerful elves that might boost up the elves deck a bit, but we'll see what happens

@khub5660

Жыл бұрын

Modern will remain MH block constructed until Papa Hasbro has gotten all their money from Wizards of the Crack. Only then will bans start to happen

About Wild Necatl : 1 mana 3/3 is fine, we're just at a point where the 3/3 needs to have upside now like lifelink or vigilance. A 1 drop 3/3 that draws on etb would be a pretty serious magic card for modern. I don't ever wanna see a 1 mana 4/4 lmao. Thoughtseize: Force of Negation and Solitude killed most glass cannon combos. And because every deck runs so much removal creature based combo desks are just unviable. So Thoughtseize is not as impactful but still has uses.

@khub5660

Жыл бұрын

Vexing Devil is a 1 mana 4/3. Another card lost to power creep. It's either 1 mana for 4 burn or a 1 mana beatstick

I think there are quite a lot misdiagnosis in this one. Snapcaster for example is mostly not seeing play anymore, because the gy is needed for other cards, not because a 2/1 isn't useful. And in many decks, instants got replaced by card like Fury/Solitude, which aren't snappable. Also, the free spells like Force of Negation/Vigor aren't good targets for Snapcaster as well. The change is also not, that games got faster - quite the opposite. But if answers and interaction is available, you can't expect free wins all the time and free win decks like Tron, Blood Moon decks and Combo get reduced in numbers. And in my book, that's a good thing.

Imagine if you opened the One Ring and then the Pinkertons knock on your door!

The One Ring thing is giving strong Charlie and the Chocolate Factory vibes.

I would love to see a series of playing old modern vs new modern to truly see how boomer storm and boomer jund can't compete anymore and see how much things have been power crept

@DarthSironos

Жыл бұрын

New modern isn't modern. It's a bunch of broken crap made directly to outperform everything else.

This feels so reminiscent of the movie Ready Player One.

People also seem to forget… wild nacatl used to be banned in modern..🤣🤣

Watch the one ring end up in a landfill because the booster box holding it has some packaging damage...

You have to whip out The One Ring at your local EDH night. Act like it's no big deal...

If the 001/001 One Ring is in anything other than the first print run there's going to be some serious blow back. Collectors boosters are supposed to always be a single print run. There have been complaints they're overprinting Collectors boxes in some sets, imagine if it comes out they're doing reprint waves of collectors boosters.

I think people are mostly annoyed because of how rare the serialized cards are. There is only one Ragavan 1/500 in the world. But there are many foil phyrexian Elesh Norns and even masterpieces. SCG opening 20 masterpieces doesn't make it less likely that you'll also open one. But if they pull a serialized card then they removed that one from the lottery. To be clear though I don't think SCG did anything wrong. That's just an obvious thing that will happen. There's a good chance SCG or Card Kingdom get the 1/1 Ring too and people will rage if they do. One thing that I'd love to know is how many product they actually open and how many serialized cards total they got.

We will never see the one of one without EXTENSIVE concerns... i can visualize it now - cries of foul from every corner!

Snapcaster becomes a common...in Return, Return, Return, to Innistrad.

@stevenyukabacera160

Жыл бұрын

It could be a fun uncommon in a flashback/graveyard matters set

I been seeing a lot of snapcaster in historic recently

Storm has changed into louts field storm.

A format where Snapcaster mage is unplayable is not a format I want to be a part of

@BobardeZanzibar

Жыл бұрын

So you would play modern if it gad brainstorm and ancestral?

ive found that storm can get brutal with discover. also, flickering etali can make it really bad

It's to early to claim in Magic, but there is a strong likelihood in sports cards that certain companies send 'loaded' packs to places that open cards on youtube for the publicity. As I believe was mentioned on a Goldfish podcast weeks ago, the 'fear' some companies have is that the 1/1 card is opened by some kind in a Target, gets scuffed to death on a sidewalk and never sees the light of day leading to the public screaming that Richard Garfield or Mark Rosewater has it locked away in a vault.

One card that's pretty old that has seen a huge increase in play is Spell Pierce. I think SP, along with Counterspell have made Tron way way worse.

If they unbanned gitaxian probe and preordain and/or ponder, snapcaster would see play again.

Jund being bad as it is makes it that much more impressive that Reid Duke can still win with it a lot

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

Reid is really good at Magic.

I havent played modern in years, and when i did play, it was with fake cards for casual fun. It is weird to hear snapcaster doesnt even see play anymore. Like i knew jund disappeared, but i thought snapcaster would be a forever staple

Ironically, JTMS is a bit more playable now than it was pre modern horizons since tapping out turn4 is no longer a death sentence with the forces and evoke

We be waiting for “Banned cards in Modern pt2”, boyz!

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, we were going to do it this week but Crim wasn't around and he really wants to be there to finish that episode so we decided to wait. We'll get to it soon though.

@Matteo_Consiglio

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@@MTGGoldfish noice

Remand was something combo decks were interested in, not control decks. It was just a way to buy you an extra turn and seeing an extra card. I think it's still a desirable effect in combo there just aren't many viable combo decks. Actually Fire Prophecy is probably more desirable than Remand now because Fire can answer Ragavan and DRC for good, not just temporarily.

Anyone from the crew coming to magic con mpls?

If I opened the one ring I'd write a reddit post saying I got it with no pictures, context, or additional information. Just the ultimate "trust me bro" and see how over the years people think back to my post being left wondering if that post was real.

I think Snapcaster and Cryptic could come back, but the big problem that plagues them is T3feri... I hate that card because it kills the "land-go" control so irreparably. Cryptic at the top end is more or less essintial for snapcaster to be good. Another factor that hurts snapcaster badly is how the best removal spells now are creatures (solitude and fury) rather than instants or sorceries. If t3feri ever gets banned (which is hard, it doesn't feel oppressive, but it severely warps the control metagame) snapcaster-cryptic will have a good chance of seeing a reasonable amount of play again, if t3feri gets banned and we get a swords to plowshares equivalent, then snapcaster will return to being a top staple.

Black as a color has been powercrept out by red and white.

trons dropped because all the best MH/MH2 cards require colored mana before T3. This is why blue tron is slowly becoming the default tron deck since its basically control with a tron backup. Storm and all combo is seriously hurting because grief/archon decks are so relevant.

Modern was best in 2012. Thats the format I still play with my friends to this day

The number one best possible person to open the one ring in definitely prof in the Lord of the rings booster box game

Thoughtseize not been good in modern is wild.

I’m not going to lie, after that employee took all the pills from that pokemon set, I’m worried temptation will do the same for the One Ring.

I think they need to produce a land that says lands only produce one mana

Pretty much all of these can be chalked up to cheap/ free interaction being so pervasive in the format now

Do you really think WoTC didn't track where the 1/500 Ring is located within the printing process. Do you think it is truly random? I figured they would have to track it to prevent the print shop workers from taking it. They are willing to risk their job to leak cards with their 2004 flip phone. They could afford a new phone with that card.

Richard completely mental with saying thoughtseize sucks in modern 😂

@helloyou5549

Жыл бұрын

which of the top 10 decks is it in?

@xLegendaryPete

Жыл бұрын

@@helloyou5549 thats not a metric of how good a card is. thats like saying lighting bolt isnt good because people are playing creatures with 4 toughness.

hit me with that goldfish tumblr blog

It's March of the machine. Not plural lol

I wouldn't compare buying packs in hopes of finding One Ring to lottery; it's more of a treasure hunt. Sure, you MIGHT find it, but it'll probably be someone else, and they don't have to tell anyone about it.

I bet hogaak can be un-banned at this point.

I hate Card Cobduit because I have to hear about it every week.

MH happened, that is it

Ban saga and Monkey!

Ever see the employee who stole all the high value Pokémon cards? Yeah I could see an employee do that too.

Pure modern please

I get the One Ring, I'm tossing it into a volcano.

This not the first time star city has "opened a unique on of a kind card" look into it they are in bed with wizards he also got a 1/250 shivan dragon, he was also the first to show a serilized Viscera Seer. this is pattern not a lucky Coincidence

The one Ring will be opened in USA. It will be manipulated to the extent it is kept in the USA. Others need not apply...

I have no idea why you say Modern is a turn 3 format now. You have maindeck answers to everything so naturally you survive longer. You no longer die to turn 3 combos because you have prismatic ending, leyline binding, solitude, fury, unholy heat and boseiju. I'm pretty sure modern is slower and way more grindy than it used to be. I'm not defending new modern lol, I kinda prefered it before tbh. I'm just saying it really doesn't feel that fast. Mox Opal and Simian Spirit Guide. Turn 1 faithless looting into triple Hollow Ones or Prized Amalgams, now that was fast.

@SilverAlex92

Жыл бұрын

I think the turns thing is counted on how fast can the fastest deck win when they're not being interacted. It's the same how "old" modem was a "turn 4" format where snapcaster beats backed by a celestial colonade was a legit win condition.

Unban the pieces that enabled eldrazi winter

One ring has offers of 1.5 million$ in bitcoin

Why Thoughtseize when you can just Grief away 2 or 3 things away for no life and 1 mana.

If a Wizard employee opens the one ring then nobody on earth will believe its legit and the amount of death threats that Reddit will post will be amazing.

This discussion is great and all, but what if you're just playing FNM and have no desire to "go pro"?

The one ring will be in a box of sealed product in a trash dump.

Okay, so I need to address the point at 49:55, can you really say that thoughtseize is the 26th card when literally half of the list is sideboard cards? Like I counted, quite literally half of those cards are sideboard cards only, meaning thoughtseize is really the 10th to 12th most played card, yeah it's a far cry from being in the top 3, but it's not as bad as it seems at first blush.

I think you tell no one about the ring if you open it, like winning the lottery and also making people crave the ring more so you can sell it for more

My prediction is that in the first week there will be reports of at least 10 of "the one" ring being "opened". And the real one will never be found (officially).

@TheEvolver311

Жыл бұрын

I'm hoping it sits unopened for over a decade in some speculators garage

I get confused i only know you as "seth better know as saphron olive" not seth or olive

I'm going to buy collector boxes of LOTR, and in the incredibly rare chance I pull the 1 of ring, I'm immediately making a KZread video, tossing it in a toilet, and taking a piss on it. I so want to ruin it for y'all. And let's be real, it'd get a ton of views.

If I open the one ring... No chance I release it... I'd buy as much stock of LOTR CE boxes and wait til the product dries up and goes up to 500+ per box... Capitalize for as long as I can .. and sell for 1m in 10 years. By far the rarest card ever made in mtg other then the one of one special cards from winning world championships

Goyf got battles, it's stocks are rising.

I mean, how much "faster" can modern get? When will they start printing more 0 mana cost bombs and Evoke-like and Suspend effects that allow you to play without any negative effects? They may turn this game into Yugioh spastic combo fest if they are not careful. So far, the mana system is preventing that.

If i find it no one will know I have it for a year so...

Your opinion on thoughtseize is so wrong it actually makes me mad

Cryptic command Path to exile Tarmogoyf Snappy Bob Lili Deaths shadow Tron Titan And most format staples pre-MH2. Now you got UR murktide Rhinos Archon Hammer time And that's your playable decks, everything else is far below these decks in power level. The format is absolutely awful, probably the worst it's ever been, barring the Eldrazi/hogaak metas.

@JT-91

Жыл бұрын

Modern horizon greed each MH gets worse for format warping. Mtg is basically yugioh now.

@vulcanh254

Жыл бұрын

Modern Horizon is a total disaster. Because of how pushed cards are in MH1 and MH2, MH3 needs to surpass it power creep wise otherwise it will be a failure and not sell as much. So the set can only break and warp modern constantly. Each MH release will spawn new tier 1 decks and render lots of decks unplayable. They just made modern an extremely expensive rotating format.

@shamuscrawford

Жыл бұрын

Titan is still good at least

@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514

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@@vulcanh254 MH1 was actually perfect imo (barring gaak) it powered up the format, but left it's identity intact. MH2 is the sole problem imo. Everything has become so damned homogenized because of it.

printing directly to eternal formats is killing the game through pure greed. you basically said every modern staple before MH is bad now. the new remand is a upgrade. it doesnt counter which means it gets around caverns

Richard......your hatred of Omnath is borderline irrational: Omnath decks do almost nothing in modern, and were on the decline even before Yorion got banned.

"decks don't not have bad cards" *looks at UW control* The only decks that don't have bad cards are the same busted 4 decks that keep dominating the challenges, all 5/6 of them weekly. NEXT!

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

I mean, compared to Think Twice current UW control is full of all stars.

Eidolon of the Great Revel doesn't make the cut in Burn anymore 😢 Lil dude can't hit those damn elementals

Make a modern without the horizons. The real modern, not this printed directly to be broken in modern crap.

Ban Urza's Saga and Kaldra Compleat, the most boring cards of the format that makes me eyeroll when people even think they are being somewhat clever