PnP Feeder Addressing: 1-Wire to the Rescue!

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We've finally settled on a method of addressing the feeders: an EEPROM! The DS2431 1-Wire EEPROM lets us store a feeder floor address super easily, plus we can even program it using the feeder itself!
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  • @stephen_hawes
    @stephen_hawes3 жыл бұрын

    It's good to be back gang! Excited to dive into 2021 with a bunch of new stuff!

  • @ChrisFredriksson

    @ChrisFredriksson

    3 жыл бұрын

    You got me the best possible spot on Bench 1 !! For that you'll have me as an eternal Patreon! Thanks for yet another awesome video 😊

  • @jamess1787

    @jamess1787

    3 жыл бұрын

    What do you mean convinced to use flux? Did you only rely on rosin core before? :8

  • @chetanshinde8504

    @chetanshinde8504

    3 жыл бұрын

    Stephen Hawes You are amazing 😎

  • @Gentle_Chu

    @Gentle_Chu

    3 жыл бұрын

    If im remembering it correctly you switched to a larger motor in order to have enough power to drive both the tape peeling and tape movement with the same motor. Now that these functions are separated wouldnt it also be better to revert to the older smaller right angled motor in order to get a slimmer feeder design and therefore having more space for feeders on the machine. Also 32 feeders seems a bit small. Maybe adding a bit or 2 extra to the address would be beneficial to future proof the system for people who wanna expand on your project. It is after all open source. Anyways great design! I wasnt a fan of the mechanics of the last revision of the feeder but i really like this new design :)

  • @justinkurban6708

    @justinkurban6708

    3 жыл бұрын

    Definitely keen to see what's happening with the PNP this year.

  • @danedwards_ee
    @danedwards_ee3 жыл бұрын

    @6:53 RIP pin 12 of the motor driver

  • @draglorde

    @draglorde

    3 жыл бұрын

    it scared me

  • @georgmik2548

    @georgmik2548

    3 жыл бұрын

    maybe I can't count but I count pin 13 😉😋

  • @mikebergman1817

    @mikebergman1817

    3 жыл бұрын

    Oh yea.. saw that:(

  • @TheCebulon
    @TheCebulon3 жыл бұрын

    This is so awesome. Also your happiness is uplifting. It’s getting better and better and will be a great machine to produce lots of little happy finished pubs. Greetings from Munich, Tom.

  • @JonathanKayne
    @JonathanKayne3 жыл бұрын

    It seems you have finally learned the third rule of soldering: Flux is magic! 1. More Heat 2. Less Solder 3. Flux is magic

  • @XiCKwY

    @XiCKwY

    3 жыл бұрын

    More heat transmission, but less heat in component. Your components be safe.

  • @ModelLights

    @ModelLights

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@XiCKwY 'More heat transmission, but less heat in component.' Exactly, you only need good heat at the surface of the component leads, heating the components to death like some things suggest is only a crutch against making cold solder joints. Learning to make good joints without putting crazy extra heat into the part is far better..

  • @wolfganglienbacher
    @wolfganglienbacher3 жыл бұрын

    Congrats on the flux achievment-unlock! Glad you like it! Next ditch the pointy tip of your iron for one with a bezel. Having a flat area in the tip helps keep a little reservoir of solder there, which will help heaps with drag soldering. And if you bridge it, clean the bezel and surface tension will have all excess solder stick to to the iron instead of the bridge.

  • @ViniciusCZanini
    @ViniciusCZanini3 жыл бұрын

    Finally!! I can't wait to see everything working

  • @ViniciusCZanini
    @ViniciusCZanini3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much, Stephen!! This will definitely change the way we make boards as a DIY community! I can't wait to see the awesome projects that this machine will assembly!

  • @randomname3894
    @randomname38943 жыл бұрын

    The guy at pcb way will definitely ask himself why you still use no solder mask between the pins on your micro footprint.. At least I do;)

  • @simonrichter3950
    @simonrichter39503 жыл бұрын

    Holy moly, it's awesome how far your project has come. And your video quality is outstanding! Music and cuts and everything is on spot

  • @cummibear69
    @cummibear693 жыл бұрын

    I came for the pnp project I stayed for the happy peppy cheery boi

  • @danielwood4786
    @danielwood47863 жыл бұрын

    Love your channel, the pnp is coming along. Love to see some content specifically on board design and choosing components, at least your approach to it. Can't wait for your next vid.

  • @qwertzuiopqwertzuiop2107
    @qwertzuiopqwertzuiop21073 жыл бұрын

    this is incredible! also i really appreciate that you a keeping all the designs clean and dont just force sth together which will only last for the video! happy i found this channel:)

  • @Soundbeforelight
    @Soundbeforelight3 жыл бұрын

    Your break was well used--this week's video quality is crazy awesome! Can't wait to see new grounds with the conveyor belt!

  • @jimamos8960
    @jimamos89603 жыл бұрын

    The end of the tunnel approaches and I am seeing the light! Great work Stephen and thanks to all the other contributors that are collaborating and pushing on all the aspects of these efforts. I listened in to the trailing edge of last weeks xoom session after work and suffice it to say we have a very talented bunch of individuals in what I'd characterize as a global consortium. I'm still stuck in limbo until I've moved, otherwise I would be actively building an index right now. "Cheers" to all those actively engaged in their builds, and keep engaging and sharing on the discord going forward.

  • @pioneer1943
    @pioneer19433 жыл бұрын

    You just made it in time. I almost went crazy from the wait lol. Happy new year and good luck on your projects!

  • @henriburau6293

    @henriburau6293

    3 жыл бұрын

    Me too! I checked his YT like every second day because I thought I might miss the notification :D

  • @YagoFernades
    @YagoFernades3 жыл бұрын

    What a cool project, you are a really good presenter! Keep up the good job :D

  • @UhloMuhlo
    @UhloMuhlo3 жыл бұрын

    Yessss! Honestly, I was on a bit of a withdrawal. It's great that you're back! Favorite moment: 2:25

  • @Dr_Frog
    @Dr_Frog3 жыл бұрын

    I am impressed with your skills, the absence of flux was driving me nuts, great to see you have now implemented it.

  • @shyleshsrinivasan5092
    @shyleshsrinivasan50923 жыл бұрын

    Yes ! It always feels awesome when it blinks in the FIRST TRIAL !

  • @MarcelRobitaille
    @MarcelRobitaille3 жыл бұрын

    Finally! Your videos are always so good.

  • @SeanHodgins
    @SeanHodgins3 жыл бұрын

    Super cool. Once you get these really dialed in, I might have a fun torture test for your PNP. Next soldering upgrade, get a chisel tip. I can't solder anything with a conical tip!

  • @brunokc100
    @brunokc1003 жыл бұрын

    love this projekt. i would never need it, but its fun watching you build it. keep up the good videos.

  • @headbanger1428
    @headbanger14283 жыл бұрын

    Your enthusiasm is legit because what you’re doing really *is* that exciting. Can’t wait for you to hit 100x your current subscribers because you 100% deserve it. I hope your corporate sponsors are reading this twice.

  • @kyream3507
    @kyream35073 жыл бұрын

    Hey Steven its Jordan congratulations on the project I was plesently surprised when your video popped up on my feed. Keep up the awesome work.

  • @kyream3507

    @kyream3507

    3 жыл бұрын

    Jordan Pesce

  • @zchrode
    @zchrode3 жыл бұрын

    i have no idea what is going on but goddamn this video made me happy

  • @dagr8kerek
    @dagr8kerek3 жыл бұрын

    I'm really enjoying this video without even knowing what you're making lol

  • @3v068
    @3v0683 жыл бұрын

    Good vibes, Lots of energy, Entertaining, Subscribed. EDIT: Also lots of valuable information you can apply to other projects, if you are able to follow along

  • @Carlos-jv2so
    @Carlos-jv2so3 жыл бұрын

    Great video!

  • @canadianavenger
    @canadianavenger3 жыл бұрын

    Nicely done! I'm liking the progress you've been making. One thing you might run into is RS485 really wants to run over a twisted pair, so you may have some signal integrity issues running over the parallel strand IDC cable you are using. You can get twisted pair IDC, cable for this, which has flat sections every so-often for crimping. Looking forward to the next installment!

  • @someofmyinterests
    @someofmyinterests3 жыл бұрын

    Love the enthusiasm!

  • @FP3DStudio
    @FP3DStudio3 жыл бұрын

    Congratulations for this incredible project, man! For the head crash, if it's now a problem, you could consider to change the camera and head position. For example, invert camera and head position alon x axis, or rotate it by 90°, so they're perpendicular as the the feeder axle. Hope to be clear :) Good job, man!! Waiting for next video!!

  • @fluiditynz
    @fluiditynz Жыл бұрын

    I love the excitement at positive results of ideas. I get a lot of those too.😎

  • @vylbird8014
    @vylbird80143 жыл бұрын

    Good old one-wire bus* *Minimum number of wires: Two.

  • @MAYERMAKES
    @MAYERMAKES3 жыл бұрын

    awwwww this is so awesome, time to get some eeproms going, I may need to start aloner project just so i cen get into details like this level

  • @joer7151
    @joer71513 жыл бұрын

    When your boards are at their final revision, will you do a crowd supply? I'm in awe of all the work put into this

  • @itavero
    @itavero3 жыл бұрын

    Another approach for the addressing could have been an addressing pin going from "feeder base" to feeder base, with a cheap AND gate in between. The addressing input goes to the AND gate and the feeder itself, and an additional output goes to the other input of the AND gate. The output of the AND gate goes to the addressing pin on the next feeder base. Via RS485 you can define a command that states "if you don't yet have an address and your addressing pin is high, take X as address". After a feeder receives an address, it simply switches the output to the AND gate high so that the next feeder can be addressed. In order to deal with "unoccupied" feeder bases, you can add a pull-up to the input of the AND gate on the base feeder base board. You can even feedback the output of the last base to the main board, so it immediately knows when it is done addressing and therefor how many feeders are present. Hope this makes any sense. It sounds cheaper than using an EEPROM to do this stuff and we've done something similar on an commercial HVAC system we've build parts for.

  • @lukasschworer840
    @lukasschworer8403 жыл бұрын

    Respect! Good job

  • @markkovacs4241
    @markkovacs42413 жыл бұрын

    Hi Stephen, I must say this project has turned out really awesome, it was fun to follow and now I have gotten the confidence to start designing my pnp. If I can have a suggestion tho, I think a vibratory feeder design implementation would be useful too for this project. Keep it up!

  • @DominicClifton

    @DominicClifton

    3 жыл бұрын

    agreed, for the parts that come in tubes, like connectors.

  • @bart8P
    @bart8P3 жыл бұрын

    Crazy how few views you get, your video's are so much better then GreatScott for example

  • @ConnerHall

    @ConnerHall

    3 жыл бұрын

    I love great scott. But his videos are like inspecting individual grains of sand on the beach. As a beginner, his stuff was super dense /hard to conceptualize. This sort of middle ground, practical engineering makes a lot of sense to me. I also love his forward thinking when it comes to open source projects / keeping things accessible. Keep up the great work guys!

  • @georgmik2548
    @georgmik25483 жыл бұрын

    I just hope there wont be another hand soldering montage next time, because that is the whole reason of this project isn't it? I want to see it in action

  • @hansdietrich83

    @hansdietrich83

    3 жыл бұрын

    Bruh

  • @platin2148
    @platin21483 жыл бұрын

    Really amazing

  • @_yannis2707
    @_yannis27072 жыл бұрын

    Wow this guy got some serious motivation.

  • @nikkismith8750
    @nikkismith87503 жыл бұрын

    So very, very impressive! I've really enjoyed following the progress of this project. Are the BOM files up to date so we can order parts and build one?

  • @ryanp5607

    @ryanp5607

    3 жыл бұрын

    The kicad files aren't in master - they are in the feeder-05 branch

  • @rycudas
    @rycudas3 жыл бұрын

    I've basically just binged this entire project. When you were talking about using your own protocol I was wincing. So glad to see you shift to something a bit more standardised, not having to worry about maintaining that custom thing will make life way easier. Did you think about using the serial bus for address programming though? Keep one address (I'm a network gal, so I suggest going for the top address) as broadcast. Send out a broadcast 'I want to set an address to F6' message, have all the lights go blink blink, press a button on the feeder to select the one you want to program. Send a "I've been programmed with my address as F6' back to the host from the feeder you selected. Either have the other feeders watch for that message as well as the button press, or have the host send a broadcast releasing the others from their wait state.

  • @rycudas

    @rycudas

    3 жыл бұрын

    Heck, you could program a sequence that way....

  • @AlexMadinger
    @AlexMadinger3 жыл бұрын

    Wow! So proud of all the achievements you and the community are making! Who finally convinced you to use flux??

  • @my1987toyota
    @my1987toyota3 жыл бұрын

    great Video. A quick word about solder paste if you use up the container quickly it's consistency should stay the same and it's great for dispensers. However I have personally found that it will eventually separate ( after about a month of being opened ) and even after stiring it, it will never be quite homogeneous again. This makes it's use in solder paste dispensers frustrating . I prefer and recommend solder paste stencils instead . It makes paste consistency much less of an issue. That said best of luck on your project.

  • @ElettronicaRiparo
    @ElettronicaRiparo3 жыл бұрын

    Complimenti sei molto bravo, ottimo lavoro 👍

  • @hassanzahin1534
    @hassanzahin15343 жыл бұрын

    I was googling about 1-wire and found your new video 🤣

  • @nicholaslabrecque
    @nicholaslabrecque Жыл бұрын

    your making me get back into some electronics engineering

  • @aidan2360
    @aidan23603 жыл бұрын

    I think it would be really cool if you made a video or two going in depth with the code. I understand though that a lot of people would find it boring and you might not want to do it. Your videos are great keep it up!

  • @womacko
    @womacko3 жыл бұрын

    Now I regret, that I've watched your latest episode.. no more episode to go, for now.. 🤐 Great stuff, very inspiring!

  • @Dragonmastur24
    @Dragonmastur243 жыл бұрын

    Oh wow dude..... Truly inspiring!!!! :D Sooooo Stinkin Coo!!!

  • @HobkinBoi
    @HobkinBoi3 жыл бұрын

    Damn, maybe I gotta look into making one of these.... maybe sometime in the future. Looks hella fun and could make prototyping a breeze.

  • @mikesnapper9001
    @mikesnapper90013 жыл бұрын

    finally a new PnP video! i was start to enter PnP progress withdrawal

  • @davey5728
    @davey57283 жыл бұрын

    this is awesome

  • @EdHayes3
    @EdHayes33 жыл бұрын

    I feel like the crystals you are using have capacitors built in, and you're also adding them externally... AMAZING job on all this though BTW... I'm so impressed.

  • @wtechboy18
    @wtechboy183 жыл бұрын

    this man's laugh is infectious

  • @AnotherByteData
    @AnotherByteData3 жыл бұрын

    Kudos for using FreeCAD and KiCAD bro!!!

  • @mmcnama4
    @mmcnama43 жыл бұрын

    I saw you taped the end of the peeled waste film onto the waste bobbin... why not model some kind of cut/slot/friction fit for it to grab that w/o tape?

  • @codemakeshare
    @codemakeshare3 жыл бұрын

    awesome! just found your channel, also started building a simple PnP machine over christmas. Re. EEPROM, will the feeder itself also remember which parts it has in it? I guess that can be stored in the uC of the feeder?

  • @qwertzuiopqwertzuiop2107
    @qwertzuiopqwertzuiop21073 жыл бұрын

    im just porting this to this vid in the hope ull see this comment. i just watched the vid about the camera module. im not sure if the hotspot problem has been completey resolved yet. if not, i can give u a great tip that ive used with our vision projects. you can buy polarized film really cheaply online. if you put a polarizer over the camera and a different one over the LEDs it will completely block out any reflections!

  • @dummypg6129
    @dummypg61293 жыл бұрын

    Dude, new sub here. Are you a full time youtuber? i mean the stuff in creating Pick and Place machine is godly awesome. i mean i do have some engineering knowledge (worked as Tape and Reel Engineer for short time before becoming a developer) about this mechinism, creating one is really awesome. Wish i have the money and time CAD skills to do this.

  • @asronome
    @asronome2 жыл бұрын

    You could have the feeders take a command from the serial interface that tells them what ID to write to the EEPROM. Then use the key combo to enter "programming mode" and send the ID from the computer. That would make the process much easier, considering you're gonna write custom software.

  • @edgarsaenz7205
    @edgarsaenz72053 жыл бұрын

    That is very cool

  • @afourtrackmind
    @afourtrackmind3 жыл бұрын

    I hope the novelty of a PNP being assembled by hand for the world to watch isnt lost on you heathens.

  • @AnimaMaestro
    @AnimaMaestro3 жыл бұрын

    Really nice project Stephen! Could use one of these to assemble all the PCBs I have in my animatronic project !! Found you through your MakerCast episode. Just started my KZread channel showcasing my animatronic and would like to get in touch with this community.

  • @barbon75
    @barbon753 жыл бұрын

    He's back. At last.

  • @justascernevicius3881
    @justascernevicius38813 жыл бұрын

    Love your channel. Please try stencil for your prototypes. It will be much much faster to assemble everything. As soldering oven you can use clothes iron that is upside down or pan filled with sand.

  • @rohanbandaru
    @rohanbandaru3 жыл бұрын

    Why do you do SMD soldering with an iron rather than a heat gun+paste or a reflow oven?

  • @asidesigner8542
    @asidesigner85423 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing, stephen what's the part number for Feeder spring connector?

  • @Blamm83
    @Blamm833 жыл бұрын

    You think you'd ever need to go above 32 feeders? Since you soft-limited the machine because of the binary programming mode with leds?

  • @johankorten2797

    @johankorten2797

    3 жыл бұрын

    In theory he could just add a second bus of course.

  • @DominicClifton

    @DominicClifton

    3 жыл бұрын

    in my experience of running a PnP machines with designs that fit on a 35x35 square double sided PCB you'll need more than 32 feeders. an entire side of my machine is taken up with just passives (0,10,75,300,470,1k5,4k7,10k,100k,10nf,22nf,100nf,470nf,1uf,2.2uf,4.7uf,10uf,22uf,47uf,100uf is 20 feeders. then you need all the ICs, leds, didoes, connectors, inductors. i can't use a machine with less than 60 feeders with some additional tray spaces for parts that don't come on tape.

  • @yourmumisacrumpet4882
    @yourmumisacrumpet48823 жыл бұрын

    this guy needs more credit

  • @yasirhassan8557
    @yasirhassan85573 жыл бұрын

    Can you please tell me which theme for KiCAD Schematic is this? Thanks

  • @Naturesyouth
    @Naturesyouth3 жыл бұрын

    this is a really cool system. but instead of using the feeder floor and 1 wire eeprom, just have the feeders stack with pogo pins, common the 12v, gnd and rs485 lines, and daisy-chain a uart with each feeder just passing the next its address+1 then you have each feeder remember which part it has and its width, then when ever you add or remove a feeder the stack can just resort its-self, complete with free support for any width feeders.

  • @etch3130
    @etch31303 жыл бұрын

    That PCB vise looks great, where did you get it from?

  • @ghostman982
    @ghostman9823 жыл бұрын

    just a small idea, have you tried taping some string or ribbon to the foil that gets peeled off to reduce the amount of wasted parts when putting the foil onto the spool?

  • @vasiliynkudryavtsev
    @vasiliynkudryavtsev3 жыл бұрын

    Wow, the same T-short Dave from EEVBLOG has. Good choice.

  • @gnumone
    @gnumone3 жыл бұрын

    can you share a link where you get your spring finger interfaces ?

  • @brawndo8726
    @brawndo87263 жыл бұрын

    11:30 How does one go abouts creating a "programming flash sequence". Is there an atmega on that thing?

  • @seshagiripanda1241
    @seshagiripanda12413 жыл бұрын

    You got a new subscriber.. spicy video

  • @movax20h
    @movax20h3 жыл бұрын

    Really cool project. I think you should try to make it a more narrow design. Resistors, capacitors, can easily eat 20 different feeders, if you are not careful with a circuit / PCB designs, and they are usually very small, a so bunch of more narrow feeders would really help waste less space. Not sure what is the limiting factor in your design, but it looks it might be the motor.

  • @Mukeshmiktecrep
    @Mukeshmiktecrep3 жыл бұрын

    What a genius

  • @Ben-gd6wl
    @Ben-gd6wl3 жыл бұрын

    Whatever happened to the sweet biotech Flame thrower arm...😕

  • @weizeng3643
    @weizeng36432 жыл бұрын

    Hello Stephen, Can you tell me how to program STM32F103xx? I don't know how to download feeder-firmware to the chip? thank you~

  • @LucasHartmann
    @LucasHartmann3 жыл бұрын

    You can use a modbus broadcast command to program floor addresses. Should be easier to automate, just have the user move a single feeder across all slots.

  • @semperior
    @semperior3 жыл бұрын

    Stephen Hawes, Have you thought about adding uart going to your motor drivers so you can utilize the features of the tmc2209 motor drivers in place of what looks like the a4988s? It would remove the need run ends tops due to "stall guard 2" plus, you wouldn't have to mess with the pot(can modify voltage in Marlin) and has the benefits of being nearly silent! May reduce your BOM and work! Just a thought Working on my own Pnp and you've prevented me from running into a few issues, Thank you!

  • @RebelPhoton
    @RebelPhoton3 жыл бұрын

    What's the name of the contacts you solder on at 9:40?

  • @buxx5334
    @buxx53349 ай бұрын

    hey dude. i like youre pcb holder for soldering. where i can get it?

  • @pollo7322
    @pollo73223 жыл бұрын

    Hey, what connector did you use in the ribbon cable? PD I love this series

  • @moertelruehrer

    @moertelruehrer

    3 жыл бұрын

    I know it's quite late, but "ribbon cable connector" brought me to the answer. They are called IDC connector, they have their own category on LCSC for instance. :)

  • @GlebHripkov
    @GlebHripkov3 жыл бұрын

    Please use BC2 soldering iron tip. It is thin enough for soldering microcircuits in a QFP package, high enough heat capacity for soldering elements in 1206 packages (it is very convenient to solder 0603 with such a iron tip)

  • @martshal
    @martshal3 жыл бұрын

    Truly awesome once again. I hate to admit how lazy I am (or how much I don't like Patreon), but have you considered using KZread's "join" button and abilities to have subscriptions here. (Come to think of it though, I'm not overly fond of this flatulent giant either... maybe I'm the one that should rethink.)

  • @Motion_0112
    @Motion_01123 жыл бұрын

    where did you learn and find all the things you know?

  • @adarmaori9853
    @adarmaori98533 жыл бұрын

    @12:10 what is this connector called? I couldn't find it online and it's perfect for something I'm working on

  • @moertelruehrer

    @moertelruehrer

    3 жыл бұрын

    I know it's quite late, but "ribbon cable connector" brought me to the answer. They are called IDC connector, they have their own category on LCSC for instance. :)

  • @80lab38
    @80lab383 жыл бұрын

    First FreeCAD, now flux and IDC connectors, where's this going to end? I like it!

  • @mehrdadfeller
    @mehrdadfeller2 жыл бұрын

    I was wondering if you have looked at PushPull feeder design? It looks much simpler and costs around a few bucks to make...If so, what are the pros and cons of using it?

  • @Gdawg815
    @Gdawg8153 жыл бұрын

    I only just found your channel, and I'm quite frustrated that I only just found your channel.

  • @hedefalk
    @hedefalk3 жыл бұрын

    Maybe this has been adressed but I can't seem to find anything about it: 1) What is the feature difference of this feeder design over the somewhat already popular and foss 0816 one? docs.mgrl.de/maschine:pickandplace:feeder:0816feeder 2) Isn't this one a lot wider meaning less of them can fit on a machine?

  • @robrocco5420
    @robrocco54203 жыл бұрын

    There is some guy's job is to look over your schematic.. to make sure that your tolerance is within spec of production and to place the cut lines and to place the board into a larger board for production.. the real boards are about 2'x4' in size.. you also have the film people that have to check the films for etching and cutters at the end.. along with the boxer's that pack up the products.. and the QA people too

  • @FredMF
    @FredMF3 жыл бұрын

    whats the issue with fusion ?

  • @hansdietrich83
    @hansdietrich833 жыл бұрын

    You have to uodate some of those footprints to get silkscreen between some of the pins

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