SPOILER SHIELD! If you're asking which game is Game of the Year, there are at least 3 candidates in this series. This is by far the highest level Terran vs Protoss I've ever seen from start to finish. I was exhausted after game one, and that was just a warmup.

@WinterStarcraft

Ай бұрын

EVEN MORE SPOILERS WHY DID YOU CLICK REPLIES IF YOU HAVENT WATCHED. But if you forced me to pick just ONE as a Game of the Year candidate it would be: Game 3 (but Game 1 & Game 4 are very close for very different reasons, very hard to pick but Game 3 could not have been more action packed).

@jennifer_dreamzzz

Ай бұрын

❤

@flyskyhighml629313

Ай бұрын

@skewCZ

Ай бұрын

I'm lazy but if you want here's a free idea: Dirty Harry (possibly with protoss face) holding a bunch of disruptors in his hand, pointing them down at a bio ball, saying "You're thinking, did he fire six shots or only five?"

@john0000011111

Ай бұрын

Well i see only a suferring protoss :D

I'm convinced MaxPax actually is an alien. And Clem is on stims.

begging in the title, begging in the intro ... classic xD

@lumburgapalooza

Ай бұрын

We have transcended dignity.

@VeryBadPlayerTV

Ай бұрын

Made my day just a little bit better tbh.

@Wwillswords

Ай бұрын

No this is winter

@shiftymack5197

Ай бұрын

Ironically, it makes me forget to like the videos when I'm laughin about the intros

7:31 watching Clem and MaxPax dodging Stalker and Marauder projectiles respectively by jumping in and out of drop ships is such an uncanny sight. It's insanely impressive, but also a little bit hilarious too

@andrewferguson6901

Ай бұрын

was that the best use of apm at the time? probably not. was it a great show for us? absolutely

@nmgaro2156

Ай бұрын

If i try that instead of dodging i would end miss-timing everyhing and eating every shot in the face

@draigevykhait6141

17 күн бұрын

When i boot up a custom game on slow, micro my heart out and then watch the replay at 2x speed I’m still not even close to that level of micro xD

24:36 There's still some widow mines over here... "KABOOM BABY"

@brentgilliam1209

Ай бұрын

Came to the comments just for this!!

Dynasty is such a cool map dude, the early brawls over the gold bases are so much fun to watch.

@andrewferguson6901

Ай бұрын

I really love the super available gold 3rd that quickly turns into a big glowing 'hit me here' spot later in the midgame. Worried about how zergies defend it though...

@murk4545

Ай бұрын

Yeah it just sucks how zerg basically can’t play on it, but super fun to watch TVP there

Seeing protoss being so reliant on the disrupter shots is such a tragedy, especially at the pro levels cause Clem makes it look so easy to make them a non factor. I hope they buff protoss even ever so slightly in the next patch outside of pvp to make them not live or die (mainly die) by the rupter shots.

@HungTran-gz5em

Ай бұрын

The problem is when there is a big enough bio ghost ball, no ground toss unit out-damage the medivac healing except the disruptor. This is the crux of the matchup as of the moment. I am waiting for some ground toss buff

@ptitlubelin7114

Ай бұрын

The problem also comes from vikings (and corruptors). They can be make fast with reactor, cost only 2 supplies and when they are out, protoss have no choice but to go templars and disruptors because they are countering everything else.

@jameslog3431

Ай бұрын

More buffs? So basically you're saying buff toss until clem loses, bec there were games he was outplaying maxpax (w better understanding of late game) and still was close to losing!!

@Conquistador2161

Ай бұрын

protos don't require buff, it's the terran which require nerfs

@Nutellafuerst

Ай бұрын

Disruptors were a mistake. They gotta be the most cancerous and worst designed unit in RTS history ever, and they dont even really work at the top level as showcased here. They gotta go. Then nerf the EMPs shield damage and work from there.

I only found you and your channel during the last Katowice, but your casting is what got me back into watching SC2 casts in general. I had stopped playing and watching after WoL, and I had forgotten how much I enjoy it. I've been watching you every day since then. Thank you for all your casts that you've done, and will continue to do. I will be watching til the end.

Shoutout to both of these guys. In almost every game you never knew who was winning or it seemed like one was dead but ended up coming back or making it insanely close.

What is the Protoss counter to mass vikings plus liberators? Maxpax tried almost everything. Skytoss is just a sad shadow of its former self and yet costs so much

@GabaGhoul0

Ай бұрын

not really anything *counters* viking/lib/ghost per say. you can technically trade with ghosts using disrupters and zone the vikings with storm. And if you’re successful, oracle revelations and tempests to chip away at libs. but it is incredibly difficult to do (esp compared to viking stutter) and once the viking/lib count get this high they can just sorta steamroll toss anyways. It really doesn’t help that tempests/rupters are insanely supply intensive, expensive, and slow to produce while libs/vikings can be reactored out fast

@wuschu5563

Ай бұрын

Adding to what already said person above me, Toss really needs only tempest to siege the libs. You don't need to go carriers. You are supposed to stay at ground and zone with storm. But good luck with that when terran casually runs 15 ghosts in their army. Carriers work as a suprise switch. If they have ghost marauder with libs, and you suddenly attack with 6-8 carriers, you can just win the game. Clem spotted the transition tho...

@morgenmuffel5747

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the replies. Your qualifiers still underscore the problem - there isn’t truly a counter that can be produced as quickly and at the same cost, both in terms resources and supply. Something has to be adjusted to achieve better balance

Winter: "Jimmy!" Jimmy: "Yeah man today was a good one!" yeah no seriously, the 'i gotta apreciate an econimic agressive strategy' transition was very nice, not cheap at all! That alone already made klicking worth it. ❤

Watching Maxpax perform miracles despite the handicap of the weakest of the 3 races is nothing short of awe inspiring. Best disruptor control in the game.

Game 2 was insane. How protoss didnt fold under pressure was highest level of skill

Ah, disrupters. Terrifying balls of death, or skeet; there is no middle ground =/

That looks amazing, can't wait to watch it this evening in cinema set up ! Thanks Winter !

maxpax : send 6 zealot to kill 5 scv clem : send 1 liberator to kill 20 probes

@Conquistador2161

Ай бұрын

because screw terran units, they imba

@elgar7252

Ай бұрын

@@Conquistador2161No, Protoss is just weak - Zerg is imba.

Protoss has eco advantage the entire game 4 but still loses, EMP is so oppressive MaxPax didn't even try Storm or get shield upgrades, 2 of the best Protoss advantage just invalidated because of a single spell

Genuine question: this legitimately made me think Protoss is just not strong enough (at high level). Or that Terran is too strong, more likely. I feel like at this point it is disengenous to argue MaxPax is less skilled than Clem, but yet while ahead in 2 out of the 3 games he lost, he still loses despite no real mistakes. Something is up.

@limbalicious

Ай бұрын

Yeah I was thinking, what is the pro level skill ceiling of Protoss? I would say Blink stalker micros but that only impacts the early to mid game and the then Disruptors. While Terran can do so much with marine marauder micro alone. Also the fact that there are no other options for Protoss to go with after the initial 3 one time use Collosus, once 4-5 Vikings are out. And then you can just continue Viking production if the Protoss was given enough time to build Skytoss.

@jameslog3431

Ай бұрын

if you watch PIGs commentary of the series he talks about how much having templars with some storm would have helped against those clumped up marine bio. Btw MaxPax is not at Clem's level (esp late game), at some point you can't blame the game but it have to come down to skill. Because the only way to satisfy the balance whiners is only if the other person they like wins. Hero 2-0 Maru in GSL last Thursday, he also beat Byun (who had way more supply) from a insane comeback that pre-patch would have lost. Clem has to have full attention, insane micro to dodge those disruptor shots, I think Maxpax would of beat any other Terran, it's just Clem is similar to Serral (obv Serral is better) in that his skill will make the race look op. Also asking these questions after the patch is only 1-2 week old w new maps isn't fair but we are seeing Hero playing really well w the new patch. Maru and Byun are no joke and he defeated them

@limbalicious

Ай бұрын

@@jameslog3431 again with the storm argument, being countered by the strongest unit in game, Ghost. I'm not saying you are wrong, by most players in the ladder, I think that is the correct answer. But at the highest level, I think going into Storm is like having the same problem of going Collosus, but in my opinion, worse than having Collosus. You need to get a good Storm not just once but the counter, Ghost, just need to land once and suddenly you got no Storm AND your units is damaged. And then after that if you are lucky you get your Archon refund, if they are not just a meatballshield infront. I'm not complaining as a player, because I think as a low rank random player, the game is somewhat balanced. But I am complaining on the pro scene especially PvT is such a slog to watch no matter who you rooting for. It just comes down to Disruptor shots or EMP. Well I at least enjoy early to mid game PvT especially when Terrans doing tank pushes or widow mine drop, this to me is the peak skill expression on both ends.

@elgar7252

Ай бұрын

@@limbalicious Ghosts are not the strongest unit in the game anymore, and its copium to keep saying it. Infestor/Vipers contend with each other for that spot now.

@Eraz0rZ

Ай бұрын

@@elgar7252 Ghost literally counter all protoss units. While having no solid counters to use from the toss after you get 6+. Especially when it comes to ultra lategame, when terran have infinite scan, and keep killing your observers. Ghost dont just hardcounter high templar or sentry. They soft counter all protoss units that have shields (wich is all, including buildings). Thats why theyr made at a standard timing, instead of reactionary versus heavy high templar or sentry play. Ghost should be countered by collosi, not by disruptor. Ghost should have the light tag, so they actually die to collosi. (or collosi should do more damage to all unit types) And protoss needs a better anti air unit then expensive low dps high in supply requirment stalkers. Something that actually counters mass vikings properly (like storm used to do before ppl started learning howto EMP)

Shout out to the hardcore probe murdering the hellion!

this was just so amazing to watch. Thank you for bringing such great casting to such an amazing series.

I'll never understand the fact that the same supply amount of mid tier ships are more powerful than capital ships.

@ptitlubelin7114

Ай бұрын

The biggest conception error of this game.

winter kept saying tempest gets guarantee dmg, but little to none mention viking is the one guarantee dmg here lol. viking kills those 38 interceptors easily without any counter from archon/stalker, all ground army getting wiped in seconds with liberator. such a brainded balance

GAME OF THE YEAR WAS WHEN DARK WON WITH THE SINGLE INFESTOR RRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE

@alltat

Ай бұрын

Every game with Dark is the game of the year.

@richardwhite6062

Ай бұрын

@alltat I get what you're saying friend. But did you watch it where he had a single infestor left and made the protoss self delete his remaining forces with their own tempest? It exhausted the whole map. There were swarm hosts. Everything. Pure distilled chaos of a match.

@Solaris0071

Ай бұрын

which game? Plz!

@richardwhite6062

Ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/fpugx9KJocfJoZs.htmlsi=3uHUi1vsIjaHwUB8

@MrJohnBBQ

Ай бұрын

I'm with @@Solaris0071! Anyone have a link?

Insane games, made even better to watch with your casting, thank you!

This is peak PvT! Watching Clem I see the most solid and relentless terran ever, the macro of INno and the micro of Byun in one. Watching Maxpax I see the patience of peak Stats and the cuttroat execution of a Parting or MC coming together in one player. Truely the level of play has never been higher despite sc2s ups and downs of support and popularity. Thank you Winter!

@defendermd2991

Ай бұрын

The mental energy used by Clem to controll Terran is x2 x3 more the MaxPax or most players of this tier. If Clem would play Protoss at this overdrive rate, he would destroy almost everyone. Protoss is too easy even for high tier, they don't sweat enough for this victories and complain that protoss is weak at pro scenes because they used to win easy everytime. It's funny that Reynor casually switched to protoss few times and how suddenly he looks better then most protoss. Terran is very strong but in a practice, simple people of all leagues, can't have mental resources to controll it. Geniuses like Clem Maru Inno etc. are not birth everyday

@XabiBello

Ай бұрын

@@defendermd2991You basically saying that Clem, Maru or Innovation like to lose tons of money playing a clearly inferior race, when they just could switch race and win basically everything.

@sheeftz

Ай бұрын

@@defendermd2991 If Clem would play Protoss, his name would be MaxPax.

@BoxCox

Ай бұрын

​​​@@defendermd2991 yeah, cool. It, of course, has nothing to do with the fact that starting with the first tank push, protoss is constantly on the back foot in combat power compared to terran. This is such a ridiculous and arrogant claim, that all the protoss pro gamers are just not good enough. Gateway army of protoss isn't capable of fighting terran barracks army which is what the first timing attack of terran is all about. The tech transition into colossus gives protoss like a 3-4 minute of respite until terran gets 6-7 vikings at which point collosuses become one time use. The disruptors are the only somewhat reliable way to go into mid/lategame for protoss. And what is the transition for terran? A better marine with the ability to instantly half the health of an army. A zoning flier versus disruptors. On top of the fact that tanks are still good, and all the barrack units are still strong. And I am not even talking about the fact that one of the main cornerstones of a proper lategame protoss army is UNUSABLE, it literally doesn't exist in PvT. Spellcaster comparison is also funny. A barely moving, balloon shooting old man that has to wait to deal damage and click to exhaust mana and can combine with another old man to be killed faster than a probe. vs a ... Ghost, the best unit in the whole game. Yeah, tell me about how terrans are just better. Protoss don't complain about zerg and Serral plays zerg btw.

@geturledout

Ай бұрын

@@BoxCox don't reply to defendermd2991. They are either a troll or have as bad of takes as a troll. Not worth the time or effort.

State of competitive Protoss last couple of years is sad, is my opinion as purely spectator.

Amazing cast. Thank you

I've been watching this channel for years but I have to say, your commentary on this video in particular was enough to make me chortle multiple times. Great addition to an already stellar series. Great content Winter.

Terran is over powered

@jeepld

22 күн бұрын

Protoss is underpowered

Damn that was a fun series. A lot less widow mines makes it a lot more enjoyable to watch too. Genuine question: What is the Lategame Protoss army against Terran? Like, clearly lib+ghost+viking is the best lategame for terran here (Not that it can't be beat - just that it's the best lategame army), but what is it for Protoss? Whether it's disruptors or carriers they both just kind of die to sky terran so idk

@schach6666

Ай бұрын

In my opinion: Disruptor to counter ghost and bio, Storm and archons against air units, oracles for revelation, Carrier for dps, Tempest for zoning and Mothership for recall mobility. Furthermore, I think the main problem for Toss is EMP, which is instant 100 damage that cannot be dodged and nullifies storm.

@yugonostalgia8961

Ай бұрын

@@schach6666 Ghosts, Ghosts, Ghosts. Medivacs counter disruptors anyways I mean you're not wrong that that's the best you got as protoss, but it's like going out to eat and all you can afford is mac & cheese. If you could have something better you'd get it

I was just watching Winter Casting a Florincia Game from 4 years ago and wow has he changed alot since then. awesome job my guy

beautiful game from both of them, sick plays from Max Pax!

OMG what a series but dayyyyyummmm what a cast! glhf fam and winter plz plz plz keep on keepin on!

Excited to watch this!

The map "Dynasty LE" is so beautiful.

39:27 yep he really decided to provide favor to the Archaeology community

45:22 Disruptor kills two Zealots, then another kills a Viking and a Ghost. What a world we live in.

Thank you for giving us everything Winter

Maxpax the best protoss

Re: your point about dragoons vs immortals, I'd say easily immortals - mostly because they don't have the spastic pathfinding of dragoons, and that's a huge upgrade on its own

Man watching TvP is just painful at this point. No disrespect to Clem, he's an incredible player and more than deserves his success but most of the time it just feels like even the best Toss in the world can't do anything against a good Terran player. I think upwards of 60-70% of the TvPs that Winter casts the Protoss manages to scrap their way to one win, maybe cheese a second but just gets ground out by more efficient and mobile units for the rest of the series

@skipperg4436

Ай бұрын

Its because Winter casts games of just

@benismann

Ай бұрын

@@skipperg4436 TvP 40% winrate for T tends to disagree. Also ofc the best protoss player rolls over people who are not in the top 10

@skipperg4436

Ай бұрын

@@benismann this game was from ESL weekly. Nearly every time the finals are between Clem, MaxPax or Reyonr. What do you think happens with other players? Also, its not like Clem always wins. While he is on a win streak against him right now, MaxPax also won fair share of games vs Clem. Not too long ago he 3-0 him. If Clem is not around than MaxPax is most likely to win the cup.

38:15 "..distracted by supply depots, CLASSIC MOVE!" 💀

WINTER!, SC2.. I liked, I'm subscribed. And yes Jimmy, as always, my day has finally got better!

1:16:35 is just a beautiful strategic play. :D pulls him to the opposite side of the map and then goes for the base that has the freshest minerals

Great serie + top notch caster = 2 awesome evenings in my life of april 2024. Thank you, Зима(Zeema (Winter)).

first map made for an interesting game. lots of entertaining skirmishes

protoss: we played like never before, we lost like always. 🤡

Everytime i see pro level sc2 today, i remember seeing WoL and how much different it is now, some things remain similar but the new unit rosters and game changes for units makes it insane, the amount of micro and apm you need to play against certain builds is ridiculous.

Damn, son! 52:00 “Terrain and Terran. Clem says ‘’I’ am the difference.’” Bars. First Person Shooter Mode.

Hey Winter, just wanted to say thank you for all the incredible commentary. I've followed you for a long while and literally look forward to every new post. I hope you continue to cast for as long as possible. My internet world would not be complete otherwise.

I just gotta say in that 2nd game, 18:00 ish, it was so satisfying to watch MaxPax get Clem to stim and back off. Medivacs out of energy and every stim should be 'permanent'.

Oh my god, finally. I think I started developing a rash when I don't get exposed to a fresh game of the year every 2 weeks. I'm good now though.

I always watch when winter says please this is the best thing youll ever see

Game 3 Clem dodging Disruptors from every which way but up was actually insane. Arguably he was slowed down the entire game by not sacrificing some of his bascially deadweight Medivacs for more Ghosts and Vikings.

I'm expecting EVERYTHING, Winter . . . . . EVERYTHING!!!!!

Dude to see that supply depot bunker wall in a high level game makes me so happy.

I have been watching Starcraft since 10+ years this was really excellent 😊

45:24 - The first time I've ever seen a disruptor kill a viking in a pro game.

the stronger terran thing.. is that basically everything is long range. so they never engage first.. its the enemies who always gets damage before engaging.

that was definitely epic

Best series of the year!!! without a doubt.

I spent my entire day puking, soaking in a bath and laying down. I'm good now though.

Great games!

So bad too see that a protoss trading worse than the zerg in this matchup . So well balanced . And so fun to watch how a terran use the bioball and the A move . If there is a little trouble then halfing the HP of the full protoss army with an EMP .

disruptors seem too slow to hit literally anything XD

@skipperg4436

Ай бұрын

Disruptor nova is one of the fastes things in game. Only speedlings, chargelots and interceptors move faster.

@davidbai3543

Ай бұрын

@@skipperg4436 IDK man every terran unit seems to be faster according to this video

@skipperg4436

Ай бұрын

@@davidbai3543 you can check speed of units in liquipedia. In the game Clem starts to run fron disruptor shots long in advance, and you can see how still nearly every shot manages to kill some of his units. It is also worth mentioning that disruptors outrange siege tanks.

i live for clem's "trail mix" drops

Keep up the good work Winter~

OH MY GOD what an amazing series!!! Thank you soo much Winter this was insane. 56:30 hell yes!!!! :D

Action pack game. I love this kind of game play! ❤❤❤❤

I just wonder how much does it costs a carrier at the of the game ? Interceptor don't really pay off in the end...

"Collosi distracted by supply depots... CLASSIC MOVE!!" 😂

You do get to have one "if you watch one SC2 video a year, make it this one" once a year. By definition. And I will click it because I trust you. But not every video from then on can be a "please do watch this one, it's special". That's not how this works ;) This one was really good, though.

ok I am frustrated, because your titles get too baity lately but you are right so here is my angry upvote that made my day a little bit better

whatever maxpax do cannot break those notorious viking+liberator, its pathethic maxpax can only juggling and running his army from being chased by viking+liberator lol. there's very little for terran to use any strategy

@wuschu5563

Ай бұрын

I mean, technically a way to beat it would be storm... But good luck with 15 ghosts on the field.

@ryanaegis3544

Ай бұрын

Would the old fast void rays have worked? Or would we have to get the campaign style void rays that chained their beams through multiple units for them to be effective?

@wuschu5563

Ай бұрын

@@ryanaegis3544 i think current voids with speed could work, IF they were less expensive and had less supply. 4 supply is an overkill. But then again, enough libs with a raven beats them too...

"It's everything?" Ah-ight.

In game 3, I think Maxpax was deliberately sending his Interceptors on the rocks to keep them out so when he attacked Clem they would reach the targets faster. I also wonder if putting a Tank would have been a better way of harassing that 12 o'clock base late into the game.

Holy shit on the edge of my seat with this one

I want to see the alt attack a zealot cancel to have a group of them to rush anything. Uthermal has been showing off tips and it's a game changer.

stalkers heroically watching... "stalking" perhaps?

23:21 Tenacious P!!

Winter is the goat of casters, nobody has beaten this game in 20 years

somehow terran has easier answers for protoss units as vice versa

The pace is honestly insane. I do hope for both of these players that they have adequate training, diet and lifestyle to sustain this kind of level... I'm really worried for their health :(

40:38 viking friendly fire

54:54 LOL funniest quote

Disruptors need a bigger blast radius or a faster movement speed.

@wuschu5563

Ай бұрын

I think both them and HT could use a movement speed bonus so they don't get left behind by army and can manouver better.

Thank YOu Om nom nom

Clem the new micro jackson

Really like the first map.

Amazing.

Super sick game

Best caster in the game! WinterStarcraft!

do the hearthstone cards effects apply in game?

@markrose8440

Ай бұрын

Idk if this is ironic but no.

Thanks have a nice day.

Love you Winter makes my day every day 😊

"gotta monologue faster." HA!

11 PM, I have to wake up early... can't skip this one!😭

Watching those disrupters do nothing all game long and those MMM stimming and splitting is just the dumbest shit ever. PvZ is in a far better shape than PvT.

@deko8295

Ай бұрын

Learn to split like Clem versus disruptors and after we can talk

Game 1 is what this gave us meant to be, at least for early/mid game play.

gyadayumn what a series!!!