Summary, Cost PLC < IPC & Performance PLC < IPC

@etindustrijskaelektronika

4 ай бұрын

It used to be the case but nowadays IPC and especially Embedded PC-s from Beckhoff are even in the range of price like S7 1200 series like CX7000 series for example :D

@wick_bourne

4 ай бұрын

Hilarious😅

Conventional PLC operates on a RTOS, while PC and IPC operate on an Interrupt Based OS, here you have the cause of so many crashes with PC/IPC versus much less crashes in Conventional PLC. Naturally PC and IPC have higher number crunching capability and thus can solve Numeric Algorithm faster. With that said, I have used PLC for over 40 years and never run into an industrial control issue I could resolve with standard RLL

@AutomateXNZ

Ай бұрын

Beckhoff TwinCAT actually leverages the capabilities of the underlying Windows OS and have built a customised RTOS to provide deterministic performance required for industrial automation tasks. This setup allows for precise control and timely responses to various input signals and events, critical in automation environments. We have hundreds of clients running IPCs and never have any cases of crashing like you state. Beckhoff OS is actually a modified Windows OS so shouldn't be consider a "PC".

Thanks dude. You rock. Waiting for more videos from u

@AutomateXNZ

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Nik!! More to come my friend!

Hello, Thank you on this informative video. very recently I have started learning about PLC . This Industrial PC concept is very new to me, can you suggest best ways to learn about IPC?

@AutomateXNZ

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment. There are many tools for learning about coding IPCs. The most popular code method is "structured text". We mostly code in this language on Beckhoff IPCs. There is a guy on KZread that provides free Beckhoff programming courses/videos called Jakob.

Agreed 👍

Show please how to program IPC and to connect it to daq device

@aaqilkhan

5 ай бұрын

Please let me know if you're still looking for help? My company can help you with this.

@mybox6177

5 ай бұрын

​@@aaqilkhanhi, I am interested, but I mean clean IPC, can I open source or I need to install there some soft from Siemens or backhoff for example

Didn't hear anything about licensing costs. That's a pretty big deal. Step 7, TIA Portal, and Logix Studio 5000 aren't cheap!

@AutomateXNZ

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Tommy, thank for your comments. And yes that's a very good and valid point! You can even get a temporary 7 day licence if you need it for development!!

@etindustrijskaelektronika

4 ай бұрын

Beckhoff TwinCAT 3 is free for development. You only pay for the licenses on the device that will be implemented on the machine which also You can have as a trial for 7 days and then You can renew the trial license for another 7 days and so on until You decide that You need that license and then You buy it for long therm. It's also good to know that You can add different licenses later on so You don't have to specify all the licenses for various functions when You are buying the IPC or Embedded PC. Also the cost of the license depends on the performance class that Yours IPC or emPC is having P20, P30, P40 and so on. Of course the bigger performance class the grater the license price. It's a bit confusing when You're first introduced to such licensing process but once You get into it, it's actually really good type of licensing in my opinion.

Very well explained, thank you. It is undeniably true that IPCs are very cool. If you have the energy to enjoy and embrace problems, IPCs will always be great. But we all get to a stage in our professional life in which we want to offer true robustness in our deliverable, when you crave for that, that’s when PLCs will be naturally appreciated.

@AutomateXNZ

Ай бұрын

Interesting point of view, we would argue that the IPC actually gives us this robustness and without the expense you pay for a Rockwell PLC.

Good info. Felt like I was watching the Blair Witch Project though!!

@AutomateXNZ

Ай бұрын

Haha What's that?

@michaelthomason5864

Ай бұрын

@@AutomateXNZ lol. It’s a horror movie from early 2000’s with a premise that the movie you’re watching is footage recorded by campers with handheld cameras. Very shaky footage that made lots of people feel nauseous.

In terms of reliability, you didnt mention that the IPC processor has isolated cores for real-time applications. So, for example, three cores are dedicated for IO logic, and only one will run Windows. The logic that is written for machine control has direct access to the CPU. This means that Windows has nothing to do with the control logic...

@AutomateXNZ

2 ай бұрын

Very good point, this is often where user get stuck on the "Windows is not good" subject.

@GmorkDK

19 күн бұрын

Not actually true with the case of Beckhoff. It core share a/some cores with Windows OA as well. No need to isolate cores completely.

PLC has the big problem with OT security. The software must updated frequently.

IPC's are the future. PLC's don't make sense in our time.

@AutomateXNZ

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely the future Tommy!