"Now we have an even more powerful console, with no games to play on it......."

@NikTek

4 ай бұрын

Fans: wym? we have tons of cool remasters that look the same 😎

@godhasabandonedme1643

4 ай бұрын

​@@NikTek😂 ayo

@hostans2

4 ай бұрын

I have PC more powerfull than 99% of commentators here, but I would say that PS5 Pro will continue having more great games than PC has, that's the sad true. I prefer playing on my 4090, but PC doesn't have both new FF's, Ragnarok, won't have new GTA 6 etc. So such posts are pretty petty. PS5 has same amount of new AAA-titles and more of it + exclusives (some will be released on PC, but after YEARS, which is a lot)

@hostans2

4 ай бұрын

And PS5 games look better than PC ones simply because PC doesn't have those games (aka Horizon Forbidden West, even though it's coming to PC soon)

@Lonewanderer30

4 ай бұрын

@@hostans2 That makes no sense.

Im still waiting for PC 2 release

@BoJenfa

4 ай бұрын

my dad works at the PC company. he said the new ones will be portable and have batteries

@rogue_centipede1798

4 ай бұрын

​@@BoJenfa you mean a laptop?

@naavidmorshed5516

4 ай бұрын

​@@rogue_centipede1798he means a handheld

@protocetid

4 ай бұрын

@@BoJenfaPC 3 will be an AMD/Intel smartphone

@momonga.

4 ай бұрын

PC has a new release date every 2 years with new CPUs and GPUs so by now we're on PC 100

Imagine changing the cpu and calling it a mid generation console, ps4 pro and xbox one x laughing in jaguar

@Machistmo

4 ай бұрын

Its an APU.

@mistyfaderia

4 ай бұрын

​@@Machistmo🤓

@lemmy154

4 ай бұрын

he is not wrong@@Machistmo

@Machistmo

4 ай бұрын

he is - its an APU not a CPU and it will outsell xbox@@lemmy154

@GeneralS1mba

4 ай бұрын

"imagine changing the CPU and GPU (80% factor of performance) and calling it a mid generation refresh". Ok? What do you want, more ram?

If Userbenchmark hears about this....

@theredpineapple9485

4 ай бұрын

Especially if it’s an AMD CPU…

@yigo310

4 ай бұрын

Userbarkmench

@TheSmilePerson

4 ай бұрын

Already heard about their butthurt getting leaked in the description of AMD CPUs in their website. I can only imagine what they are gonna write for the ps5 pro

@hatchetman3662

4 ай бұрын

@@theredpineapple9485Well, I mean, it's Zen 2...

@gentleman2292

4 ай бұрын

​@@yigo310amuserbenchark

Still on Zen 2. Sony partying like its 2019.

@nemesis91101

4 ай бұрын

Lol they use all the tricks to make games look good on poop specs it's genius really. Save on hardware. Make money off the games.

@Broodjemetbeleg

4 ай бұрын

​@@nemesis91101what games 😂😂

@mclarenf1gtr99

4 ай бұрын

PS5 Pro is supposed to bring more Resolution and RT(specially the latter). It will pave the way for RT to become a standard in the future. People are mistaken if they think this is supposed to be a PS6.

@jonathanto99

4 ай бұрын

par the course for a mid-gen upgrade. PS4 Pro in 2016 still used the Jaguar APU released in 2013

@nemesis91101

4 ай бұрын

@@Broodjemetbeleg I was referring to Nintendo 🤷‍♂️

"zero games" 😂

@HellGatyr

4 ай бұрын

if ps5 has zero game what minus xbox has ? or valve win by doing nothing ?

@Transport4ThatDumpTruck

4 ай бұрын

​@HellGatyr idk why everyone on here just seems to hate ps man some real clowns on here especially this channel

@Spartan117-0

4 ай бұрын

​@@HellGatyr Looks like you felt it. Why are you mentioning xbox anyway?

@SiulSC

4 ай бұрын

​@@HellGatyrdon't ever try to talk to PC players

@Hi12239

4 ай бұрын

Dont worry we got all those xbox games coming

Nintendo cozy with more games on shitty specs.

@nemesis91101

4 ай бұрын

It's genius really. Using all the tricks to make games look good and perform good on mid specs

@emiel333

4 ай бұрын

Haha indeed

@nemesis8131

4 ай бұрын

Nintendo games: Mario, Zelda. Pokemon.

@nemesis91101

4 ай бұрын

@@nemesis8131 and yet they're doing great business wise 🤷‍♂️

@juanmassiosare9850

4 ай бұрын

@@nemesis8131 Again Again Again Again....

10% faster CPU in some special cases in high frequency mode.

@no-barknoonan1335

4 ай бұрын

That may not be enough to offset the increase in Ray Tracing that likely will be added to PS5 Pro games. RT is heavy on CPU as well, and even with RT off in a performance mode, 10% increase in clocks on the same CPU is not going to translate to 10% increase in CPU performance. It'll be single digits. I actually don't mind and I don't think consoles need to be 60 fps unless they are fast paced multiplayer 1st person shooters. For 3rd person single player cover shooters like PlayStation seems to almost exclusively pump out, 30 or 40 fps is good enough.

@GeneralS1mba

4 ай бұрын

Imo it's ok because it's definitely an excuse to allow more power for GPU.

@Unicornpirate

4 ай бұрын

That's pretty much running the CPU at desktop Zen 2 speeds. Not gonna make that much of a difference especially for 4k/60fps and RT.

@emin62bek

4 ай бұрын

​@@no-barknoonan1335I want 120hz in shooter games and a stable 4k 60 in story games

@vtg1800

4 ай бұрын

This very disappointed the CPU just overcloked. PS5 Pro will not ready for GTA 6 4K 60fps max setting. We will see what happen in Cyberpunk 2007, does PS5 Pro can running 4K 60fps with path tracing and how good PSSR? Does PSSR can like DLSS 3.5 with frame generation or just like DLSS 2 or FSR3…

*This PS5 Pro is already crippled it just doesn't know it yet* 🎅🎅🎅🐻🐻🐻🐻

@Mosi_O

4 ай бұрын

pufferfish + carrot

@supernoob1894

4 ай бұрын

Wait I don't get it what's so bad about it? It's better than PS5 and faster so what's the problem I don't know much about Consoles

@srinathparimi33

4 ай бұрын

​@@supernoob1894That power is probably gonna be bottlenecked by the older cpu

@leonidastankiangaming

4 ай бұрын

Upgrading the GPU and not the CPU was a poor choice. Games will get bottlenecked by the processor. Imagine this: you got an Intel 8th Gen CPU paired up with an RTX 3090. That CPU will bottleneck the heck out of the GPU. ​@@supernoob1894

@einstien2409

4 ай бұрын

Your Intel hd graphics don't even hold a candle to the PSP. What are you talking about? This shit will make it even harder to play games on PC.

Are people really surprised the Pro's CPU is Zen 2? The base PS5 used Zen 2. Mid console refreshes use the same core architecture for their CPU as the base model. The PS4 Pro and Xbox One X both used the Jaguar cores found in the base models.

@binocry

4 ай бұрын

Yeah right? The comments here seems don't know that the pro version of the console, even though it now uses x86 architecture the cpu type is always same like base version

@sodozormemesdeveloper9438

4 ай бұрын

ps5 had outdated cpu when it was released and now it is even more outdated in ps5 pro

@maskedlibrarian1483

4 ай бұрын

​@@sodozormemesdeveloper9438 Zen 3 CPUs released November 2020, the same month the ps5 released and at that time it was using the best CPU available and GPU architecture that wasn't available yet on pc, it was not outdated at all when it released. Ps5 is in a much better position than it's last gen the ps4 that was outdated by the time it launched

@riven4121

4 ай бұрын

@@binocry And then these same people have no idea about game development. Games are optimised for one common architecture on consoles. If the PS5 used Zen 3, existing games would have to be rewritten for a whole new architecture and future ones would have to be written for two completely different architectures. Changing the graphics processor is a lot easier than changing the CPU because most of a game's actual processing like logic and physics is done by the CPU. Games are GPU limited, not CPU limited.

@sodozormemesdeveloper9438

4 ай бұрын

ps5 released with gpu on rx5xxx series architecture and cpu on ryzen 3xxx architecture. both rx and rtx newer generation was available just a little while if not instantly after ps5 release.just like ryzen 5xxx series. my current pc has r9 5900x and rtx 2070s and it is from 2019 and it is still much better than overpriced ps5 which was a great deal when it released...or rather would be if not the scalpers so it was overpriced on release and now it is overpriced even more and ps5 pro will be overpriced even if it would cost the same as base ps5 now @@maskedlibrarian1483

>ONE GAME

@TerrorSyxke

4 ай бұрын

Why I went back to ps2:

@Daniel-vx5vc

4 ай бұрын

I DON'T KNOW WHY

@Jinars.

4 ай бұрын

IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER HOW HARD WE TRY

@Siara2134

4 ай бұрын

@@Daniel-vx5vcI BOUGHT A PS5 WITH NO GAMES TO BUY

@milesfarber

4 ай бұрын

@@Siara2134 KEEP THAT IN MIND THEY DESIGNED THIS DRIVE TO IMPROVE LOADING TIMES, THAT'S ALL, I, KNOW

I'd be surprised if it actually is 500 usd

@Unicornpirate

4 ай бұрын

600 usd

@vtg1800

4 ай бұрын

@@UnicornpirateStill disappointing, I want PS5 Pro $800 or $100 with new CPU, GPU and 32GB ram, 2 port HDMI, optical audio port.

@Unicornpirate

4 ай бұрын

@@vtg1800 At that point build a PC and splurge for a 4070 super

@blizyon30fps86

4 ай бұрын

@@vtg1800just buy a pc at that point

@InhalingWeasel

4 ай бұрын

​@@UnicornpirateShow me an $800 config with 4070 Super

But seriously, if the CPU was anything newer than a ZEN 2 then it would be a PS6. Same story with the PS4 pro. Same cpu, slightly higher clock speed. The opposite would be even crazier, if Sony gave it a ZEN3+ cpu and insisted on still calling it a PS5 pro. That wouldnt make any sense.

I like the zero games part.

@ZRay507

4 ай бұрын

yeah, wtf does that even mean?

@FirebonE_88

4 ай бұрын

@@ZRay507, what do you mean what it means? It means zero games to play on it, because very few will buy it. 😁

@melxvee6850

4 ай бұрын

​@@FirebonE_88name a PC game, there are currently 600+ games on PS5, name a PC game made for PC

@FirebonE_88

4 ай бұрын

@@melxvee6850, here come the PS boys! 😂

@melxvee6850

4 ай бұрын

​@@FirebonE_88I'm a gamer, I own a PC, so please name me a PC game

Wow, PC was already ahead before it even released! Seriously tho, the PS5 Pro has to feel like one if not the most pointless upgrade for a console in history!

@Axatron

4 ай бұрын

As a PC gamer with no console, I don't understand why people complain that it uses old CPU while it obtains better performance that many of us with newer components. Why don't we complain that the PRO should have been the only ps5 version form the beginning instead of ignoring all improvements just because is old tech.

@gracelandtoo6240

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. PC elitists don't get that consoles HAVE to be worse to be so cheap in comparison to good PCs, and both are fine for what they are. I say as someone who switched after two years of PS4/5 to PC.

@mitsuhh

4 ай бұрын

@soulsolis3096' comment embodies everything wrong with new tech

@mandadog2449

4 ай бұрын

They are making the ps5 pro exacly like the ps6 but with a cpu that suck so del can sell ps6

@mitsuhh

4 ай бұрын

no@@mandadog2449

Its a Shame why Everyone Skips LEG DAY 😭😭😓😓

I'm no console player but this shouldn't actually matter unless there was already CPU bottlenecks happening. A GPU upgrade is a big deal

@marius0448

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, ps5 gpu is weak and the cpu is pretty powerful, cuz a good cpu is cheap. Rx 6900 performance will not be bottlenecked by a zen 2 cpu, especially in 4k.

Imagine if they'd just given it a 5800x3D from the start with a expandable GPU like Framework Labtops.

@mitsuhh

4 ай бұрын

Wouldn't exist in 2020...

@shadowarez1337

4 ай бұрын

@@mitsuhh not in consumer space but there was a labtop with a full on 5800x3D it'd make for one hell of a console but it's not be cheap.

@mitsuhh

4 ай бұрын

@@shadowarez1337 Game Devs prioritise GPU performance over CPU. Mark Cerny mentioned that he suggested to put 16 core CPU in the original PS5 at the cost of GPU performance. Zero studios wanted that config

@shadowarez1337

4 ай бұрын

@@mitsuhh that'd make sense but they need to rethink the APU as the only option going forward the console market will need to evolve so it's not only CPU/GPU until they become strong enough to rival discrete GPUs. The cost will rise but you'll have a console that could Infact lastore then 1-2 years.

@pedrolantyer

4 ай бұрын

And then they'd end up with a console that would cost close to 1000USD, no one's paying 1000USD on a Console as it's close to the price of a mid range PC while having all of the drawbacks from a Console. Companies have experimented with expensive consoles in the past, like the early days on the PS3, the Sega Saturn, the 3DO and the Phillips CD-I, and they all failed miserably! The PS3 only started to succeed once it became a lot cheaper. The console market is geared towards people who don't wanna spend a lot on hardware while not minding spending more on the long run, then there is the fact that GPU performance makes a lot more difference for gaming, the few exceptions being games that are often related to the PC gaming segment like Civilization, XCOM, Cities Skylines, Kerbal Space Program or Tropico. Also the 5800X3D only came out in 2022 and it's launch MSRP was almost as high as the PS5s MSRP, not to mention that having replaceable GPUs would make optimization even harder as devs would have to adjust games for even more pieces of hardware with different performance levels, and the base models would just end up being relegated to lower tier experiences like what happened with the XONE and PS4 once the PS4 Pro and XONEX showed up.

Maybe ps5 pro cpu is slow, but console will be expensive instead.

@TheSolidSnakeOil

4 ай бұрын

Considering the life cycle of components, costs to play online, the mid nature of console hardware. It's pretty even with $1200~ PC. And raytracing is a nice to have but practically not worth is right now since most GPUs (even consoles) rely on upscaling to get around the memory and processing requirements for modern resolutions. And you can use a PC for things other than games. Consoles tend to be outdated by the time they release compared to a PC with newer, and even lower end specs. I had a PS4 and have an XBox S right now and only to play The Show. But that'll be on PC in a few years I'm sure.

@CosmicSatanas23

4 ай бұрын

So fuckin what? ​@@TheSolidSnakeOil

@olivur_1459

4 ай бұрын

Zen 2 3700x 8/16 is still a very capable CPU even in 2024. Most of the Steam userbase is still rocking 4 core CPUs from 2016 😂

@pedrolantyer

4 ай бұрын

@@TheSolidSnakeOil As someone who jumped from Xbox and PS4 to PC about 7 years ago, gaming on console is significantly more expensive, and it gets more expensive the more games you buy. The resale value for PC components 4 years after they released seems to be around 40% to 50% from my experience, then there is the fact that you get to keep your library, the complete lack of a need for subscriptions, prices being significantly cheaper for anything that isn't brand new games, long time durability of PC accessories compared to console accessories (Potentiometer based analog sticks on 70USD controllers is a f*cking disgrace! Third party controllers are the way to go), and the fact that people need to have PCs anyway. Most people already spend 400USD on cheapo desktops, if you cut that out in practice you'd spend between 1200 and 1300USD on a good mid range PC when you'd have to spend 800USD on a console + cheap PC to do a lot less. The first month I jumped the gun to PC, buying 2 non recent games a month went from 100€ a month, to 40€ tops

@zidan40o0

4 ай бұрын

@@TheSolidSnakeOil >ps5 is equivilant to 1200USD PC bruh

30 fps games, NEXT GEN.

@criticalmoorhen

4 ай бұрын

But with better raytracing and 4K! 🤣🤣🤣

@ciprisad

4 ай бұрын

Not even 60 fps are acceptable imo

@dreamqore

4 ай бұрын

imagine its only standard raytracing and not pathtracing 💀

@johnxina-uk8in

4 ай бұрын

​@ciprisad I always thought 60fps was more than enough until I got a high end PC and now 60fps looks like 20 to me

@ciprisad

4 ай бұрын

@@johnxina-uk8in after i bought my 170hz monitor i couldn't use 60 fps anymore. People who experienced more thant 60 will understand, the other just coupe and say the human eye can't see past 60fps anyway😂

33 tflops?!?! That’s twice as fast as my pc😭

@TheAilmam

4 ай бұрын

I bought a pc onpy to play emulators. They are fun than latest games

@kiro253

2 ай бұрын

If this thing is 2x ur pc...u must have a really sh1tty one

@nomad__6

2 ай бұрын

@@kiro253 I have a laptop with a 3070 ti mobile gpu. I run Rdr2 at 60-70 fps on a mix of ultra and high settings at 1440 native. It’s far from being sh*tty.

@kysco

26 күн бұрын

@@nomad__6 keep in mind your gpu has its "Tflops" benched in 32 bit compute (not 16bit). Pretty LAME marketing

@cringie.troddrage8014

Күн бұрын

pc gpu tflops and console gpu tflops are VERY different, so even if in floating point it matches a 3080ti, it wont come close in performance

Wow, Zen2...just in time for the release of Zen5

Not only the "weak" cpu kills it, but the 16gb shared memory aswell. It will be a stuttery mess.

@bardockshiny

4 ай бұрын

I find it fascinating that the jump from the ps3 to the ps4 was from 256mb to 8gb and they just doubled it this gen. FF7 Rebirth has a lot of low res textures and sometimes some that don't render to an acceptable level at all

@reaux1560

4 ай бұрын

Bro but lets be honest windows is a resource hog, somehow the ps3 ran GT6 with only 512mb

@treatoplease3479

4 ай бұрын

@@reaux1560 Because Windows is not only for games champ. PCs are for people that can relax after studying/working for 12 hours a day. At 165 hz :)

@steaksoldier

4 ай бұрын

@@reaux1560 one of the reasons I switched to linux. only uses 2gb of ram on start up. might creep up to 4.5 after a few hours of use. windows uses more than that just to startup after a fresh install lol.

@thevaultsup

4 ай бұрын

The "16gb" shared memory is what makes every gamers cope about latest game releases because "OH MY GOD NOW MEMORY BANDWIDTH IS IMPORTANT FOR GAMES?" especially with UE5 being a bandwidth hog.

Jokes aside why are we suddenly acting like Zen 2 is a bad cpu it's more then capable even with the massive improvements of zen 3 and 4 especially with the X3D cpus zen 2 can more then hold its own

@marius0448

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I don't understand these comments. People probably think more than 1 generation old is the most garbage piece of tech. Also, PC gamer fanboys. Byw, never owned a comsole in my life, but happy with my gaming laptop, but these pc enthusiasts with 3x of ps5 don't know anything about CPUs

The meme game is strong with NikTek. I foresee he will become a strong, powerful and funny troll.

Already had plans of replacing my ps5 with the pro version. But due to its hardware issues and the fact that I don't even have an 8k TV anyways, I'm happy with 4k 120 FPS tbh.

PS5 OG is just amazing, there's no need for Pro at all.

@AlienGenotype

4 ай бұрын

Cinematic 30 fps

@Crimsongz

4 ай бұрын

Amazing remasters

@Hi12239

4 ай бұрын

@@Crimsongzgo play rust and fortnite on your 4000$ pc. And buy some soap

@Crimsongz

4 ай бұрын

@@Hi12239 get your money up instead of being jealous

Yes there are games called remastered to ps5 pro

Guys i have a ps3, is it too soon to upgrade?

@GFE.

4 ай бұрын

Nah you will be fine for two more generations ps8 will be a nice upgrade

@qui-gonsgin8747

4 ай бұрын

You're lucky you are able to play so many good games and classics

Everytime a new CPU or esp GPU comes out, I’m like… What does NikTech say about it?

The bigger problem in using Zen 2 is the low cache on that APU. It's only 16 MB. If they put 3D vcache on it, it would be a huge performance boost without much architecture change

@wanshurst2416

4 ай бұрын

I think the console version of zen 2 only has half the cache compared to pc.

@Syping

4 ай бұрын

Not only it have 16 MB Cache, it's split aswell, so 4 Cores CCX only have access to 8 MB at most, and a performance penalty if having to copy data from the other CCX

@_Chad_ThunderCock

4 ай бұрын

3d Vcache is expensive, don't forget that aspect

@balloonb0y677

4 ай бұрын

@@Sypingthat’s pure assumption. Plus you need to factor in the ps5 custom flash controller which is insane. It’s made purely to do heavy tasks that a cpu would traditionally do. It’s stated that its tasks would take 10 cpu cores to run. Obviously this was over done by Sony but all that work is no longer taking up cores in the ps5 cpu, leaving the space for physics and more software.

Hey NikTek! Thanks for sharing my Joker video on X 😁🎉 Keep up the good work 🔥

As someone who hasn't bought a PS5, I see this as an absolute win

@berserg666

4 ай бұрын

Ахахахахаха😂 Смеюсь очень громко, соседи вызвали полицию 😢

@Lord-Nicolas10

4 ай бұрын

Go buy a pc, i regret buying a ps5 i don't want another victim please

@anakinskyguy6582

4 ай бұрын

Then, two and a half years later, they will release the PS6, which will make this obsolete. At this point, it would be better to wait for the PS6 or get a base PS5.

I’m really hype to see another new gta 5 remaster for ps5 pro 😊

@docvoygx3788

4 ай бұрын

Or a pointless 3rd Skyrim release

@rayyanabdulwajid7681

4 ай бұрын

Last of us 2 remastered ver 2.0

@legitscoper3259

4 ай бұрын

True true

It's a modest mid gen upgrade that's not even intended to replace the basic version of the console. Mostly to run the same games at higher res with smoother frame times. What were you guys expecting? Why would they bother with a serious CPU upgrade?

Considering how well Spiderman looks in fidelity mode at 30fps, I believe PS5 pro can do wonder with this 45% boost

The CPU isn't a Problem it's one of the strongest things on console. The ps4 was running Doom 2016 with 60fps on a sempron 1.8ghz, something impossible to do on PC, someone tried that and only got between 18 to 25 frames on PC. Paying 600 bucks for the raw performance of the 7800xt and a complete system sounds great to me.

@ripvanced

4 ай бұрын

doom 2016 doesn't have ray tracing and games now demand way more cpu power compared to previous generation... simply put sony fucked up with this one like the play station portal

@coffee7180

4 ай бұрын

@@ripvanced ray tracing really? Deamon souls remaster doesn't have ray tracing and still makes most triple a games with it, look like shit. The console has to run on the same cpu architecture to be able run ps5 games. By changing CPU architecture, they would have to re-optimize every game for it again.

@Syping

4 ай бұрын

PS4 is not a Sempron, it's a Jaguar Doom is not very CPU demanding, you can run the game on a Phenom/Deneb, you just need enough VRAM on the GPU to get 60 FPS in this game

@coffee7180

4 ай бұрын

@@Syping it's jaguar because it's a Apu but the CPU part is sempron architecture and the GPU is GCN.

@infiniteblaz3416

4 ай бұрын

@@coffee7180This is wrong. The processor architecture is from AMD’s Bulldozer line (FX) which were massive pieces of junk. As for the GPU, it’s close to GCN 1.0’s Pitcairn architecture. The Radeon 7850 to be exact.

The GPU is a powerhouse because it's meant to render games in 4K and 8K in near future. Increasing game resolution doesn't impact the CPU as much as GPU. Hence the CPU they've chosen is enough. Remember, this is not PS6, it's just a mid gen upgrade aimed for those with the luxury of playing games in 4K and 8K.

@Bocchi_TheGlock

4 ай бұрын

🤡

@mitsuhh

4 ай бұрын

Correct, you are one@@Bocchi_TheGlock

@Aurelia-zi7px

4 ай бұрын

@@mitsuhh nope , u console boys are 🤡 keep support to cash grab and pay for online little one

@gugugaga-lu8gr

4 ай бұрын

Do you really think that a 600$ console will be able render games in 4k and 8k. Seriously. The gpu is as powerful as 3080/6800xt and those gpus struggles at rendering native 1440p. I hope this comment is sarcasm

@roozbehzarei6943

4 ай бұрын

@@gugugaga-lu8grDefinitely not natively, hence PSSR upscaling is born. My guess is it will natively run at 2K and upscale it to 4K and beyond.

PlayStation fan: here is my money.

@peterGchaves

4 ай бұрын

I'm a PlayStation fan and nah, this "Pro" console seems pointless. Super glad with my 500€ launch PS5! 😁

@peterGchaves

4 ай бұрын

@Mc01183 and bear in mind I moved from a PS4 Pro to the PS5. But this time the mid-gen refresh seems really not worth it. Although Sony didn't even officially announce it and we haven't seen footage or info of any of the actual in-game improvements and price for the system, but I predict 650€.

@peterGchaves

4 ай бұрын

@Mc01183 but the thing is, for the PS5 Pro to be lower than 650€ or even 600€, Sony would have to drop the price of the standard PS5 to 425€ or lower, to justify the difference asked, which I highly doubt will happen soon. So imho PS5 Pro will be 600€, at absolute minimum.

@peterGchaves

4 ай бұрын

@Mc01183 so, 600€ at minimum, but I'd bet Sony will ask 650€ at launch. "Inflation" and stuff...

@fransindongo3207

4 ай бұрын

I'm staying with my Base PS5...not upgrading to Pro...

I miss gaming in 90s and early 2000. They put more focus on game quality, not hardware performance.

got a 7900XT instead of a PS5/PS5 Pro I think they console makers should cut costs and make consoles and games and multiplayer cheaper

@lemmy154

4 ай бұрын

yeah sure your entire pc is only the rx 7900 xt and cost you $500

@vampui5490

4 ай бұрын

lmao@@lemmy154

@pottingsoil723

4 ай бұрын

Obviously they have R&D budgets, manufacturing budgets, etc but I wouldn't say Sony or Xbox are deliberately looking to cut costs so it will be a worse experience for the end user. They're not, Apple, not yet. Consoles are pretty efficient in terms of performance per watt, frame pacing and what they can deliver. This is not the case of the PS4 Pro still using Jaguar core which was a crippled architecture from the get-go. Zen 2 is still a solid CPU and capable of doing 120 FPS in less demanding games. On PC a Zen 2 CPU can net you 100ish FPS in games like AC: Valhalla, Hitman 3, Warzone..... 70-80 FPS in games like Cyberpunk 2077, RDR2, Plague Tale Requiem, etc at 1080p That's WITHOUT upscaling. With upscaling the numbers will look even better.

@bardockshiny

4 ай бұрын

Consoles don't make money. They are underpriced and the strategy is to make money selling games

@marcelosoares7148

4 ай бұрын

​@@bardockshinyDepends on the console, every console Nintendo has made since the Wii generates profit every sale, the same went for the Xbox 360 since the start and back in 2021 Sony stated they weren't selling the PS5 (Blu-ray Edition at least) at a loss anymore.

How about the games ? Were are the god damn exclusive ? Where is Motorstorm ? Where is GoW ? Where is... idk freaking Resistance or god damn KILLZONE FFS ??????

@Crimsongz

4 ай бұрын

PS3 era was the best

Sony : Dont forget, if u wanna play online you gotta pay again

@Hi12239

4 ай бұрын

At least we do it without drm and hackers ruining everything

almost 3.5 yrs into this generation and zero games to play, ps4 ported games are not ps5 games. Also they have no excuse for exclusivity, before it was because the hardware differed too much from the pc, these days its literally a pc in a ps5 case.

TBH Even 8 cores Zen 2 has lots of potential left

@adriannp.

4 ай бұрын

Not the potential because zen2 was amazing, but the "old" technology i guess...

@JohnDoe_333

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, I wonder in what game you are CPU limited with an Zen 2 chip. Especially at the typical 60fps console framerate.

@balloonb0y677

4 ай бұрын

@@adriannp.ps5 has a custom flash controller that does traditional cpu tasks but at a higher lvl than the entire ps5 cpu could ever do. It’s stated that it would take 10 cores to run the flash controller tasks on a cpu.

clever thumbnail I LOVE IT

Hehe, zero games

Feel bad for all the ps5 users....

@user-sp8fi2zv2v

4 ай бұрын

Why? I don't give a SH** about Pro, I'm happy with my base PS5 😁

NO GAMES

That might be still a Zen 2 CPU but with a RDNA 3 GPU. It would be the performance of a RX 7700 XT that means +40% faster than the PS5's GPU

@FlorianRave

4 ай бұрын

Ok, but CPU will still be god awful, so fps won’t be that better, just some slight eye candy

@JeremFNATIC

4 ай бұрын

@@FlorianRave Yup, some games could be still "bottleneck" with that CPU. It's a Ryzen 7 3700x btw, It's not that bad.

@infiniteblaz3416

4 ай бұрын

7700 XT?! Okay, now we need to chill.

@infiniteblaz3416

4 ай бұрын

@@FlorianRaveIt’s a Ryzen 7 4700G (Renoir) which isn’t terrible but still meh compared to Zen 2’s Matisse. Mainly due to the gimped L3 cache.

@JeremFNATIC

4 ай бұрын

@@infiniteblaz3416 They are very similar, the Ryzen 7 4700G only just have an iGPU compared to the 3700X Same cores, same architecture, same cache L1 and L2, but a massive difference with cache L3 : 3700X = 32 Mo ; 4700G = 8 Mo. But we don't know how big is the CPU L3 from the Xbox Series and PS5 (it's the same CPU), so it might be a 3700x or 4700g. Anyway, the CPU is customed, so it means that it could be a 3700x or 4700g bases.

People forget that the Zen 2 architecture (Ryzen 5 3600) is still better than most people's PCs with Intel's 9th gen and older. Plenty enough for anything running at 4K with ray tracing. But... yes, we might keep seeing 30FPS, that's what console makers want tho.

All I want is the option for 120hz. They promised that with the current PS5 but there are barely any games that can do that and the ones that do are not interesting to me at all.

I love the editing part😂

I cannot see GTA6 running @60fps on PS5 pro unless there are major tweaks to the game.

@Axatron

4 ай бұрын

The game is made only for the consoles (for its first year or two), not vice versa. If the only platform cannot run it, why would they release it? CP2077 release moment was too big for even the greedy companies to ignore.

@maskedlibrarian1483

4 ай бұрын

GPU wise the ps5 is around Rx 6700 levels and from what I'm seeing from leaks and rumors the pro it's probably Rx 6750xt level or possibly 6800 level at best which is still a beefy GPU. But if GTA 6 is gonna be anything as graphically demanding as Alan wake 2 then yes I can't see it hitting 60 atleast at 4k. Tho at 1080p or 1440p I don't see why it shouldn't hit 60

@dvlx8453

4 ай бұрын

game will be optimized for 16 threads so it will run fine

@dreamqore

4 ай бұрын

gta 6 will probably look like shit 😂 just wait for pc version with mods

@Broodjemetbeleg

4 ай бұрын

Zero chance it does so at native resolution

Im pretty sure my current ps5 will run gta6 on release, thats all i care about. I dont need an upgrade

You know what? It will play *GTA VI* day one 😆

RDNA and RAY tracing do not go together in one sentence - 6700xt owner

@madmatt2024

4 ай бұрын

It's using RDNA4 which hasn't even been released yet, nobody knows what it's going to perform like. Your 6700xt is RDNA2 so two generation behind the PS5's GPU.

@ceruleasky

4 ай бұрын

i doubt it will go well, seems only nvidia has the performance tricks down with rtx@@madmatt2024

I think people are overreacting, specially with memes clouding their minds. If Pro had a Zen 4 CPU, games would be crippled on the OG PS5, because devs would not care about optimization, and PS5 owners dont want to be treated like peasants with games struggling to run because they where developed with PS5 Pro in mind. Keeping the Zen 2 CPU will keep PS5 relevant until the end of current generation, while keeping devs humble. Also it is a plus for PC gamers as they dont need to upgrade to newest CPUs just to keep up with unoptimized games. I think it is overall a win-win.

@drumsmoker731

4 ай бұрын

Apart for them idiots that go and buy a Pro, when already owning a PS5. This whole mid-gen circus is pure cash grabbing.

@melxvee6850

4 ай бұрын

​@@drumsmoker731very hypocritical to say that, when Nvidia and Intel release half baked shit y'all flock to buy them and no one is wrong for it, so console players are idiots? You PC gamers don't deserve anything lol, y'all do nothing but shame people for gaming

@maskedlibrarian1483

4 ай бұрын

​@@drumsmoker731 I don't see it as that tbh. For someone who doesn't have a post or still using the last gen consoles upgrading to the pro model is a sure bet if they got the cash. I don't see why anyone would upgrade from their ps5 to the pro model tho, that's very dumb unless you have money lying around

@nuffsaid7759

4 ай бұрын

In my opinion ps5 was a underwhelming product it's just that because of availability problems it was boosted a bit but since then it's kinda underwhelming. PS5 pro had to have been under powered to match ps5 but I think ps6 could be good sony are taking steps on the right direction. (very strong problem of Zen 2 cpus are latency but people on controllers won't notice much)

If you look at PC ports of Sony games all of them are GPU limited around 4K even with a 4090. Why would they use a much stronger CPU when the games are GPU limited. You want them to get a CPU bottleneck harder and get no increase in performance at increased price?

Still happy that my Ryzen 7 5700x is still newer than the PS5 Pro.

This upgrade is what the PS5 should have been when it came out, but well, Sony wants to sell a "new" console that probably it's going to have big limits (and i'm not just talking about the CPU...) Anyway, i'm happy with my standard PS5, i can already imagine the price they will put to this "upgrade".

The cpu limitations would be corrected performance wise if it had a intel ibm pentium 4 processor, Welcome to the future of gaming people with ps5 pro 😂

@vigilant_1934

4 ай бұрын

Intel IBM Pentium 4? Are you just throwing names together?

@onlypvpcaterina-6669

4 ай бұрын

@@vigilant_1934It a name of machine name for pc's at the time in the days of early top end pc's, And the pentium 4 is the processor at the time btw, I hope it clarifies everything ? Also you can google any info.

@goofyahhboi420

4 ай бұрын

@@vigilant_1934 no it's a real thing ☠

Nice, I will play Dragons Dogma 2 on my PS5 Professional at around 33fps.

"Oh my god bro... wtf man" 😂😂😂😂😂😂

0:55 🤣

Me second. In today's PlayStation event we will release the ps5 and it is 2 to 3 times stronger than the ps5. The Presenter and employees trying not to tell anyone that it has a bottleneck, so it is small improvement.

You guys should be grateful that it still runs on Zen 2, imagine it shipped with Zen 4c or something, that literally means Zen 4 would be the BARE MINIMUM for 60FPS if not 30 depending on what the game devs decided to target for its game. PC gamer cope would have been massive

Zen 2 is fine for consoles. I have a 5900x and I can run games at stock speeds without boost. I can even disable half of the cores and still run the games at 3.7GHz without issues. The only game that had a bit of stutter was with Starfield on the Capital City. I can play games with 10 to 35 watts.

@manaus1775

4 ай бұрын

Starfaild is shit tough... worst boring game of 2023

@adilb.6279

4 ай бұрын

You are mistaking it for Zen 3. Ryzen 5000 series is Zen 3, and Ryzen 3000 series is - Zen 2. That's why people are disappointed a bit.

@Syping

4 ай бұрын

Zen 2 biggest problem is the split in Cache and in APU configuration it's half, so you can't compare it to 5900X at all, more like a 4700G which is worse than a 3700X

@elchicovip01

4 ай бұрын

The PS5 APU is custom made. It does not have the unified L2 cache as Zen 3, but also does not have a separate IO die and share ggdr6 memory with the gpu. Unlike the Xbox, the PS5 has dynamic boost. take for example The Last of Us. The Radeon 6700 beats even the 6900XT in this game due to optimization. The 6700 has the same amount of shader units as the PS5. On top of that add SAM. The zen 2 cores will be fine.

The more i see console releases the more i see why PC is always better.

No matter how good the PS5 pro is, it'll never be good enough to run even 21:9, let alone 32:9. No matter how many upscalers they add, even rendering 480p Super Ultrawide destroys the console 🤣

We’re already 4 generations ahead and consoles are still 30fps capped on most games. Just get a pc already.

I don't think a single PS user ever said "You know what this console needs? Moar rAy TrAcInG 🤪."

Remember, you are buying these because: 1. For console exclusives 2. You are broke 3. You aren't computer literate

@malif1279

4 ай бұрын

Said console exclusives won't even be exclusive for that long 😹 There's a good reason why console growth has been so stagnant

After playing with a steam deck for a couple of days I can understand why Nintendo is absolutely smashing snoy and ms. It's top comfy to play on a handheld. I don't need to keep sitting in front a tv or monitor. It doesn't matter specs when you can enjoy gaming so much.

Specs-wise there's really not anything to write home about. The point is having something akin to DLSS on consoles, which *would* be worth getting excited about. I know Nvidia is (rightfully) decried on this channel, but you're lying if you say FSR 2 is in any way comparable to DLSS. Quite frankly, I don't think it's even _good,_ let alone something that should be added to console games with no way to turn it off. The PS5 Pro aims to present a better solution than FSR2 on console. If that solution works, and is adopted by developers, then I might just buy one.

As a Playstation gamer, I was never really interested in the Pro machines for a good reason. I'm happy with the normal Ps4/Ps5. Enough said.

What a stupid take. You guys know they couldn't have used a new CPU architecture, don't you? That would have ruined the interoperability of the consoles.

upgrade CPU cheaper than upgrade GPU.... but Sony didn't do that.

@MakeYourVision

4 ай бұрын

Default scenario: upgrading GPU give more fps boost in comparison with upgrading not the worst CPU. But in that case Sony wasn't just the GPU that had to be upgraded.

@ghaida_alt5082

4 ай бұрын

@@MakeYourVision upgrade to Zen 3 still acceptable and massive in term of performance uplift. RAM type same, mobo chipset same. Price increase Zen 2 to Zen 3, not so much. It's not like 7000 series or something.

@melxvee6850

4 ай бұрын

You losers always speaking like y'all are engineers

@maskedlibrarian1483

4 ай бұрын

Majority of games are GPU heavy so CPU upgrade isn't going to do much and then again if they upgraded the CPU and GPU then it wouldn't really be a pro model but a ps6 instead. It's going the same steps as the ps4 pro with an overclock in CPU and a better GPU cause most games are GPU heavy and at higher Res CPU won't really help much

@melxvee6850

4 ай бұрын

@@maskedlibrarian1483 except PC elitists wil ignore any logical arguement or statement cuz they live in a world where they think only they are allowed to be gamers

It's funny how many bots in the comments are trying to belittle a console that hasn't been released yet. 😂

I’ve been saving for a PS5 but at this point I’ll just wait for the 6

Lol never buying it

The cpu is fine but the games… non existent

Ehm... It is needed for backwards compatibility, consoles work differently and need the **same** cpu to still maintain compatibility within current gen So was with ps4 and ps4 pro The channel of little jonnies, we hyped on 3070, we hype on this now...

since when a zen 2 generation of cpu can bottleneck a gpu that's not that fast than a 4080 or 4090 , this might be a joke or something

Z E R O G A M E S is absolutely true. Sony fanboys can be butthurt all they want, but this generation has been booty cheeks.

Given how sony is the apple of gaming theyll probably launch a 500gb pro model for $550 without a controller or stand

@samoptimus4228

4 ай бұрын

Sony is the what

@Youraveragegamer_97

4 ай бұрын

@@samoptimus4228 apple of gaming, they know their sheep/consumers will buy anything from the company and will buy accessories meant to be packaged with the product, Xbox is the Disney of gaming cuz they squander and ruin everything we love, and buy up more talent just for more revenue

@SxD1982

4 ай бұрын

and charge you 1200$ for a "Pro Stand" hahaha. Console gaming has never been more ridiculous.🤣😂🤣😂

@maskedlibrarian1483

4 ай бұрын

Pro mode comes with 2x the storage. Atleast from going from the ps4 cause the pro model came with a 1tb from a 500gb and limited editions came with 2tb tho then again the slim models came with double the storage. Hopefully the pro model of the ps5 ( if it's even launching lol) comes with 2TB or double what the base model has

@Youraveragegamer_97

4 ай бұрын

@@maskedlibrarian1483 and? Most limited edition consoles can be sold at a loss cuz they're not too many units made

As far as I know, due to how games on the consoles are made, they can't change the CPU, they can only overclock it which is what the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X did with the original CPU portion of their APUs. That's a hefty speed bump to the GPU though, but there's absolutely no point to this other than now we'll have slightly better RT effects and newer games can play at native 4k and 60fps since the current PS5 isn't able to anymore. There's not a lot of good games this gen, worst console generation of all time if you ask me. Also the 8k support is also hilarious because the same statement was made for the base PS5 and the PS4 Pro, nobody needs 8k, and nobody should want 8k, it's quite literally wasted on even PC gamers with perfect eyesight, the average user won't even notice unless they sit 2 feet away from an 80 inch TV

You don't need even average cpu for gaming. Only gpu and a console for 4k 120fps gaming with 500 usd is the most amazing offer. Go buy gpu for pc for 1080 120 fps. You will figure it out.

@gnuzwo1lk909

4 ай бұрын

Enjoy the bottlenecking then lmfao

PS5 pro skips leg day 😂

PlayStation is trying to compete with pc so hard that they even compete in bottlenecks

@rogercoello6801

4 ай бұрын

They dont because the price can not be higher than 600 or 700. They are just giv8ng an other option to console users.

I mean ps5 usally run the game at 4k so Sony dosent have to care much about the cpu

If it’s really with 33 teraflops then it’s slightly more powerful than RTX 3080

@DosonTheGreat

4 ай бұрын

Zen2 Also, you can't judge performance by teraflops alone. That's a console marketing buzzword.

@mitsuhh

4 ай бұрын

what about it? Plenty of PCs use RTX 3080s with Zen 2 CPUs@@DosonTheGreat

@k.23_02

4 ай бұрын

It's not actually 33 teraflops because RDNA 3 teraflops works differently. It's actually 16.5 Teraflops

@mitsuhh

4 ай бұрын

Wrong.@@k.23_02

Best renting game machine ever!

@rogercoello6801

4 ай бұрын

There is the stella blade wich is already going to come in 1 month, so it is not true, there are also the good of war 5, horizont.

Mabye they do this on purpose to make ps6 look better in the future

Bloodborne 8k 30fps ready.

Why didnt they start out with an upscaleable design philosophy.

All Hail the ZENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

A PS5 themed bottle sis the only PS product I will buy nowadays

But Dad!! It says PRO! But son it plays like a 1080p mis PS2 with no ability to keep the games

A 3700X is perfectly fine even in 2024