unpopular opinion: $189 is not a budget keyboard

@wuachurra

Жыл бұрын

i'm with you

@jacktee4030

Жыл бұрын

same here. i feel like anything near the 200 range is midrange. that or im just poor :(

@vuri3798

Жыл бұрын

Especially when it's not even aluminium

@bluejaysakko

Жыл бұрын

@@vuri3798 aluminum for this keyboard is more cheaper than this acrylic one on the video

@statixfear

Жыл бұрын

"Budget" is subjective, as it varies from person to person. That being said, what I can tell you is that spending close to $200 on a barebones kit with a plastic case, and a PCB without LEDs (which, by the way, makes no sense since the case is literally translucent/frosted), is absurd. I love Mode Designs but when I saw this, I was literally scratching my head.

69 likes and I'll build it without foam on stream. www.twitch.tv/hipyo ⬇Affiliate links to help out the channel ⬇ Get my new deskmat: kineticlabs.com/desk-mats?ref=hipyo Get the envoy: modedesigns.com/products/envoy?sca_ref=1424737.SSCCX9L0Sz Switches I used: shop.wuquestudio.com/r?id=r61d8h

@GodOhMyGosh

Жыл бұрын

lol u got way more then 69 likes

@KxngIsntcool

Жыл бұрын

get to building lmao

@AT-vj2mz

Жыл бұрын

Did you ever find a fix for that issue with the bottom sinking into the case? It's kind of a deal breaker for me... I was thinking maybe I could attach a poron gasket to the bottom to keep it up.. but that's really a downer for the price of this board

im not sure you mounted the envoy correctly...

Thanks for sharing your thoughts about the Envoy! As a side note, the PCB does have 2 rows of RGB underglow that you can enable in VIA 😉

@art1_san

Жыл бұрын

oh slay does it really

@danielgamingyt2640

Жыл бұрын

@@art1_sannah nah nah aint no way bro came over from yt shorts

@art1_san

Жыл бұрын

@@danielgamingyt2640 ?

@danielgamingyt2640

Жыл бұрын

@@art1_san “slay”

@art1_san

Жыл бұрын

@@danielgamingyt2640 It was ironic lmao

Mode made a mistake sending the Envoy for this guy to review.

@stills2359

3 ай бұрын

ikr

@iantune

3 ай бұрын

he really fell of real hard

I think everyone is misunderstanding Hipyo's use of the term "budget" don't view this as the fact it is a "plastic" keyboard (even though it is made from a more expensive polycarbonate material which is different) but the aluminum version which is $196 (added the $7 for hotswap), compare it to the other aluminum boards in the space. Zoom 65 EE V2 $175, Keychron Q2 $159-169 (Knob dependent) it is pretty close to that price which the extra $20 might be a consideration if you like design and/or the mounting style of the Mode Envoy over the other aluminum options. Something else to note specifically for the Mode Envoy vs the Zoom 65 is that Envoy comes with the option of either FR4 or POM plate with no extra cost while Zoom 65 is only polycarbonate plate included and it is $19 for an FR4 or POM plate separately making it essentially the same price.

@dudebroguymate

Жыл бұрын

Mode is in a different universe compared to Keychron.

yo hippo was wrong? impossible!

@HipyoTech

Жыл бұрын

Very possible

@BikesnBiscuits

Жыл бұрын

@@HipyoTech i refuse to believe it

PE foam does round the sound out and make it sound pretty much the same as every other PE foam board

I genuinely was surprised i got into trying mechanical keyboard because of you and Glarses and for my birthday i got a budget keyboard from epomaker and i was expecting something not great because of the price but was genuinely surprised by how good it felt and sounded so even keyboards with a budget price can be decently good

I really love that you started doing builds both with and without foam. ty

Some REALLY nice looking boards here though, but that copper.. oh LAWD 🤤

You got me into trying mechanical keyboards and i feel i am going to spend a ton on keyboards in a few years

It has underglow RGB, don't know if you left that out so that people would comment, but you didn't even plug the keyboard in for the whole video.

Great video! I invested in a Sonnet from Mode and, as someone who never built a keyboard before, I have to say their directions and build process were super easy to follow. I’m not gonna get an envoy cause I honestly don’t feel like I need another keyboard, but that’s because I’m super pleased with my Sonnet. I think if you like the design of the envoy and know what you want, I think you’ll really love it. But if you’re unsure about your build then I’d recommend going a cheaper route imo.

@SadWitchBree

Жыл бұрын

Excellent advice!

@dylanherron3963

Жыл бұрын

I'm very curious to get started with Mode, thanks for the input

@RNLafferty

Жыл бұрын

​@@dylanherron3963 I have a Sonnet and absolutely love it! It's one of the best mid-range 75% boards out there, and is wildly customizable! Mode is killing it!

@dylanherron3963

Жыл бұрын

@@RNLafferty again, more awesome input. I don't have the, um, barrier of opinion that Hipyo has developed at this point, and this keyboard sounded fucking GREAT with included foam. (with respect to the switches that Hipyo used)

@RNLafferty

Жыл бұрын

@@dylanherron3963 I rock my Sonnet foamless with Boba U4Ts, a heavy tactile on an FR4 plate with the brass weight and GMK caps.

The irony being that I plan on building an Envoy with Osume keycaps. At least now I know they'll sound to my preference. Thanks for that.

I genuinely hope that we see some sub 150USD Budget keyboards from you soon. I love the content and have used your videos asa basis to venture out to make my very first keyboard. I just feel like most KZreadrs focus on the 160+ range when it comes to "budget" keyboards.

When you say, "without foam," I think most of us think of it as the keyboard not having any foam - no PE foam, no plate foam, no case foam. But your reference to it having no foam means that there is no case foam, while there still being a PE foam and plate foam. Kinda threw me off a bit.

Mode Envoy, Zoom65, QK65 etc are not budget keyboards. They're entry-level enthusiast boards.

Idk, but Envoy is such a cool name for a board. That being said, if I had to choose an end all be all plastic board, I'd take the Moontower. I love how high pitched that board sounds.

@Jdjdjrb

Жыл бұрын

The Envoy also has alu options which are actually cheaper than the plastic for some reason

@fzh4296

11 ай бұрын

​@@Jdjdjrb cuz the plastic version isnt plastic, its polycarbonate, muuuch harder to properly CNC than Alu

nicce vid! keep up the hard work! ur doing so well

Thanks for making great content as always, Hipyo!

Can’t wait to watch this in 7hrs🔥🔥🔥

i knew your going to review this keyboard!!! the best one yet

I think it's worth mentioning the foam kit is an extra 12$. Otherwise I think i prefer the no foam version. The foam one oddly sounds a lot like my plate foam only qk65.

Cant believe that no one has mentioned that beautiful rendition of the glarses transition lol

that sounds really good, but i wouldn't call 189 budget 😢

@recessedsubhuman

Жыл бұрын

This hobby isn't cheap, so for a custom mechanical keyboard it is budget.

@wuachurra

Жыл бұрын

@@recessedsubhuman dude, i built my custom keeb for less than 100. Got myself a hotswap barebones, akko jelly purple + lavender and cheap double pbt redragons. I spent like 80. But you have to put the extra work if you don't have the money.

@recessedsubhuman

Жыл бұрын

@@wuachurra Ok good for you, but the Envoy is nothing like whatever hotswap barebones you got.

@wuachurra

Жыл бұрын

@@recessedsubhuman that's not the point, i only said you CAN make your custom keeb without saving money first

@recessedsubhuman

Жыл бұрын

@@wuachurra Good for you

Honestly I want to get the envoy, but I wouldnt want the polycarb and I wouldnt want foam. I think it shines more as a clacky board with maybe a copper or carbon fiber plate

You just saved me from regretting my decision to get the zoom 65 v2 before I knew about the Envoy. 😂

@benjarvisz

Жыл бұрын

The Envoy is the better board

the nola content at the end was much needed! +1 mental health

Unpopular opinion the zoom keyboards sound entirely uninspired. Like say what you want about Qk boards but they are at the very least very distinctive in the way they sound. I feel like the zoom boards just sound pretty average and nothing that I couldn’t essentially create with say an Akko acr board with an added PE foam and a tape mod. Just my two cents

Can confirm, the GB unit has 2 rows of RGB leds for underglow. According to someone I know who got an advanced unit.

I’d love to see a comparison between all the WS switches ngl

The wait better be worth it

Probably one of the best budget 65%. Each layout deserved it's best budget category

I bought my K8 Pro for £126, very happy with it

I was a personal fan of the envoy and the entire time I was just screaming "THATS NOT HOW YOU BUILD AN ENVOY NOOOOOOOOO"

The Mode Envoy is best with an Aluminium case in my opinion. Then specc it with a Carbon Fiber plate for Clack and with an Alu/Brass/Copper plate for Thock (my preference is Copper, but some like the Alu or Brass sound more) - all without foam. But of course for the real thock, get the Polycarbonate botton with a POM plate and foam. I like the no-foam copper, because you get a thock and some singing from the metals. I don't like the plastic foam thock. To each it's own. The Mode Envoy giving me these options is great, the ZOOM doesn't give me these options.

about 2 years ago I got a budget keyboard for like $30-40 on amazon because my old one broke and I only planned on using it for a few months but I still use it. It came with the stabilizers prelubed and it had foam in it so that's cool ig

Great vid Hipyo! My fav pokemon is umbreon

Interesting. I am glad I watched the new hipyotech video.

Hipyo says "Hold on!" and my browser immediately holds on and locks up.

100$ is where budget ends and mid range begins. Not 200$

@recessedsubhuman

Жыл бұрын

Are you poor or a local? A lot of prebuilts cost like a hundred bucks

@SexyEarHair

Жыл бұрын

@@recessedsubhuman Bro really, poor shaming? You can get excellent prebuilts for less than a hundred.

@recessedsubhuman

Жыл бұрын

@@SexyEarHair I'm not poor shaming I'm just asking. And also a prebuilt is nothing like a custom board, so the comparison isn't good. But since you think 100 is budget, a prebuilt may be for you. Just saying

Great video! (fav: Rayquaza)

Not really related, but i was wondering, what switch should i go for for my new keyboard? I want a deep-thocky sound and i have a few switches in mind but i want to know what everyone else thinks! Any help would be appreciated :)

Honestly I love the polycarb case, simply because Polycarbonate is such an awesome material. It's not your standard plastic, it's tough, see through, and even absorbs UV light (probably doesn't matter for this use case, but still). Just more interesting to me than standard boring Aluminum. Now ... I have a 1 lb bar of fine Titanium, if anyone wants to make me a sick ass Titanium case! XD

@FromPlsNerf

Жыл бұрын

Except it scratches if you so much as sneeze on it. My parallel array is super super prone to scratches.

@janmichaelsuarez2996

Жыл бұрын

does polycarb case produce good sound? its really light.

@creationfied

Жыл бұрын

@@janmichaelsuarez2996it will sound fuller than metal cases

Wtf $189 budget

Please always mention pre travel when talking about tactile switches

Hey Kevin, i have a thocky frankenswitch idea. You need Novelkeys Creams and Everglide Aqua King V3. To make it you need to swap out the Everglide Aqua King stem with Novelkeys Creams and thats it! Don't forget to use Durock V2 stabilizers and lube them!

@GodOhMyGosh

Жыл бұрын

nice idea, maybe hipyo shoud do some more switch vids?

@ZeynepKarali510

Жыл бұрын

@@GodOhMyGosh Yeah Kevin should!

@GodOhMyGosh

Жыл бұрын

@@ZeynepKarali510 whos kevin

@ZeynepKarali510

Жыл бұрын

@@GodOhMyGosh It's Hipyo.

@GodOhMyGosh

Жыл бұрын

@@ZeynepKarali510 oh, i thought his name was daniel

I'm convinced that budget keyboards are not like budget anything else in terms of price

@z4k1_zaki65

Жыл бұрын

I think you miss a point, Mode started making keyboards around $400 with the Mode80, then $300 with the Mode65 and Sonnet, and now Envoy at $189. They hobby is getting more accessible, we more options now, at lower prices

The locals in the comments saying that 189 isn't budget 💀

Literally the perfect opportunity to use WS browns, and you wasted it 🤦‍♂️

Still waiting for my current mech keyboard to give out before trying any of these cool ones 😅

I still want to try one of the iqunix boards. I haven't seen too much about them.

Thanks for your real talk.

I would reccomend making a video on the ajazz ak692 bc it sounds good with gateron yellows and modded stabs

hey Hipyo, great video! I wanted to ask you if you could you maybe review the yunzii yz75 at some point? I kinda wanna get It but don't know if I should and I'd love to hear you opinion on it

u should do a build in the gmk67

Plastic is good, when thick enough to hold up. These days, I'd have the "Budget" range between 50 and 100 usd.

hipyo try a prebuilt budget keyboard that has lubed switches and stabs , gateron yellow and a screen it is the fantech maxfit 81

gonna get the mode in mirage with ink blacks and classic hangul caps

Do you think you could do a little review on the KiiBOOM Phantom 81 (Linus Media Group recently took a look at it)? For $159 USD it seems like a really solid value, and if $189 is "budget" now then it should be pretty competitive within that space.

Hey, what 80% (TKL) hotswap keyboard (wired) do you recommend? That will be my first ever keyboard. And where I can put all keycaps on :). I like the drop CTRL layout but I heard people have problems with it.

massive hipyo W

Never thought I would hear "mode" and "budget" in the same sentence (other than the sentence explaining that mode is NOT budget)

amazing ❤

Hey Hipyo, Can you please do the NuPhy 65?

Your calling 190$ Budget???😮😮

@recessedsubhuman

Жыл бұрын

This hobby isn't cheap, so for a custom mechanical keyboard it is budget.

@z4k1_zaki65

Жыл бұрын

From Mode, yes, it’s their budget offering

Wait until hippyo learns about the tecware veil 87

Wish i could buy a QK65, but since i can't... At least this one is in stock, and it does have some led's.

hipyo!!! pls make a keeb from temu, i’ve seen so many switches on there but idk whether they’re gonna scam me of the quality or something

3:33 ay lem ennam 🤣

you used a photo of the cooler master ck720/721, as the zoom 75. What do you think abaut that keyboard as a budget keyboard? the ck721 cost like 60€ in my country

for all the people saying this board is not budget, it is more in the tier of premium budget imo.

Me after buying a Keychron K8 pro: Now this is a PREMIUM KEYBOARD Hipyo with 200 dollar keyboard: Just how bad are budget keyboards? Or can you use them? Let us see!

@TheRealAstro_

Жыл бұрын

K8 pro for half the price with double the features tbf, I think you're just paying extra here for the customizability and maybe some of the materials. The hobby sure is crazy some times haha

Judging from how Taeha and Alexotos handed and built their unit, I don't think you assembled this one right lol

@olalelilu7556

Жыл бұрын

Why can't Hipyo build it the way that he wants to and then have his own opinion based on that, it's a hobby completely based off preference Alex criticizes boards if they're not optimized to be built in the way he prefers; Hipyo should be free to do the same

@loo-mt5ml

Жыл бұрын

@@olalelilu7556 because his pcb is sinking like a seesaw at around 9:20 , it ain’t about preference at that point, he objectively built it wrong lol

@awesoman09

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same. How come everyone else didn’t have this complaint? Are they shilling for mode? Nope. Dude just built it wrong. Hopefully it is just that cuz if it’s not I’m gonna be pissed when I build mine.

@loo-mt5ml

Жыл бұрын

@@awesoman09 Okay, I suggest looking at Alexotos or Taeha's videos on it. They did a full review and build of it!

The spacebar flex really seems concerning. I see a lot of foamless builds, seemingly this is best suited for envoy, but nobody mentioned that. It makes sense, having only the two lattice blocks on the bottom, as opposed to the four on top. Also, having foam blocking the pcb for it not to wobble around doesn’t sound optimal. This may just be big enough that i would go for the tofu 2.0 or even upcoming jris65 gb.

This is first-world budget tier. For me and most third-world people, budget tier is less than 50 USD.

I think you should try the gmk67 it’s only 45 dollars

I bought an Epomaker EK 68 (I know it's an gmk67) but its surprisingly a really good 90$ prebuilt keeb. Maybe check that out if you're feeling up to it?

the budget keyboard i have now is Itou65. it is zoom65 clone and pretty good for the price.

@recessedsubhuman

Жыл бұрын

Where'd you get it?

@Nabe0s

Жыл бұрын

@@recessedsubhuman got it straight from taobao/xianyu from china market. The build quality is decent, but the the spray coating is so bad. I bought it for nearly 500 Yuan including aluminum weight and shipping fee.

@recessedsubhuman

Жыл бұрын

​@@Nabe0s The price is pretty good, I should probably check out Taobao and see what other stuff they have on there

"five minutes of screwing later..." MUST RESIST JOKE!! (Oh well, at least he lubes...

Loving my akko acr pro 75

How about you review the KZZI K75? Just in terms of features, price and switch options it seems to beat a lot of other popular keyboards to the point that it's kind of suspicious. Maybe it's a hidden gem or something I dunno. Just wanted to bring that info to your attention.

@Baran_Doban

Жыл бұрын

...And no i am not a spy sent by KZZI to promote their product, because that would mean I would get paid :)

Sooo... the title says "I Was Wrong About Budget Keyboards..." Buuut the description says it's a midrange budget keyboard... soooo... it's not a budget keyboard? I would love if you reviewed the GMK67 tho 😁👍

yooooo i hope he will do gas67 one day 🎉

@meh9665

Жыл бұрын

I agree , want him to do a gas67 review as well , not a lot of them

How about reviewing an actually budget board, like the GMK67, or a cheap Epomaker..?

@recessedsubhuman

Жыл бұрын

The envoy is considered "budget"

Do a 100$ budget pleb challenge

U gotta try the gmk67

what are the keycaps in the thumbnail i love them

I was here for the premiere.

@Iced_lattedrizzle

Жыл бұрын

So we’re lot of people, including me

Thats great and all but I am still waiting for a budget keyboard that wouldn't have shipping costing 50% of the keyboard price.

@z4k1_zaki65

Жыл бұрын

Mode just announced local vendors, check who’s your nearest vendor

I trust Hipyo's opinion but man...does this thing look cheap. Might just be my taste, but this particular transparent case and the flex / moving aroud makes it look more like a 50$ keyboard at best.

@topofthemorning4959

Жыл бұрын

The pc case is just if you want more flex and that pc sound, you can get an aluminum version for cheaper

@recessedsubhuman

Жыл бұрын

It's the keycaps

@z4k1_zaki65

Жыл бұрын

You might wanna watch other reviewers like Alexotos, much better review on this board

At this point razer keyboards are considered as "budget" keyboards

@recessedsubhuman

Жыл бұрын

Razer keyboards are cheap massproduced 5 dollars of plastic that are being sold at expensive prices. And not to mention they are also prebuilts, customs and prebuilts are not comparable.

@z4k1_zaki65

Жыл бұрын

You miss the point of “customs”

Did MKC send u their new keyboard mkc75, will u review it?

I keep going through these "budget" keyboard videos because I am looking to build my first custom board but as soon as the price is said I'm just moving on because $130+ is not what I'd call budget friendly, lol

@spidergloo2708

Жыл бұрын

fr, I thought I'd see reasonable prices under 70-90 at least.

@rq1ny_

Жыл бұрын

Then dont buy a custom keyboard hobbies aren’t for some people. Know what your getting into

@chendusingh

Жыл бұрын

This is a custom keyboard brudda. Look into prebuilts if that's your budget

@kizu5234

Жыл бұрын

Keychron V1 barebones is a good budget board

@Pepershmoofen

Жыл бұрын

get a keycrhon v1 or tiger 80 lite but if you ever held an envoy in one hand and either of those boards in the other you'd understand the price difference. the Keychron is the only one you can get with switches and keycaps included but if you want anything close to getting the most out of a custom mechanical keyboard youd want to get new switches and keycaps anyways. So even this $190 board is up to $300-$400 all in. The bottom line is this isnt a cheap hobby and imo they are all luxury commodities. If the amount of joy you'd get from the item isnt worth the price then its not for you.

I really like green frogs.

Do you know of a TKL ISO layout keyboard?? im really struggeling finding one that is white.

Poison dart frog, red variant

Do you have a new editor or something?

is there an inconsistent sound on the mode envoy?