That runway needs to be redesigned

@yamkaw346

Жыл бұрын

This looks like a very nice run way….

@VTEC_RAT

Жыл бұрын

@@yamkaw346did you not watch the video

@yamkaw346

Жыл бұрын

@@VTEC_RAT Sure did…. Looks like en extremely well maintained runway. I fly in and out of much worse on a daily basis.

@hobie1613

Жыл бұрын

The runway is totally fine. It was poor judgment from the pilot as to why they crashed.

@simpilot001

Жыл бұрын

This runway is fine. The pilot made an error

A grass take-off in that heavy six cylinder aircraft with little pavement wheels was always going to be long. Add to that the sprinklers near half way causing ground softness and extra drag. So glad everyone was ok

@adub1300

Жыл бұрын

No flaps either. Should have been in short field configuration and he would have been airborne before the obstacle.

@Coops777

Жыл бұрын

@Adub 1300 Agree. Also, it seems the pilot became fixated on the liftoff and appears not to have looked at performance versus remaining runway

@glennwatson

Жыл бұрын

70/50 rule. If you haven’t gained 70% of your take off speed in 50% of the runway abort.

@CessnaPilot99

Жыл бұрын

​@adub1300 I would put flaps down right before rotating. They just add Drag on the takeoff roll otherwise

@RandyMarsh-nu6lo

Жыл бұрын

Lol

There is a 70/50 rule If you are not at 70% of your lift off speed at 50% of the available runway shut it down and try again.

@shoebetya

Жыл бұрын

Standing water on the runway?

@RJ-sr5dv

Жыл бұрын

Try again…?, Try flaps.. reduce weight, wait for cooler temps etc.

@LudditePower

Жыл бұрын

If you own 70% more than 50% of your IQ, don't fly a plane.

@rylandallas9907

Жыл бұрын

Flaps 10 deg in those conditions

@lostindixie

Жыл бұрын

That's only true 40% of the time. The other half depends on wind direction.

I own a Lance I. This is a Lance II. Soft field, no flaps, T-tail (a very bad design on the Lance II) and a pilot that did not calculate the distance required for take off (having failed to do the first calculation, he would have failed to calculate weight & balance as well). This accident occurred before he even stuck the key in the ignition! I'm glad he was OK.

@StupidusMaximusTheFirst

10 ай бұрын

I was gonna say this. You don't just go and wait forever till the plane takes off. What if it doesn't? Silly.

@thud9797

8 ай бұрын

​@@bb-skyBecause of poor planning and a late decision.

@nuclearrabbit1

Ай бұрын

I have about 3500 hours in Lance's, from bank check days. Both T's and straights. Those T-tails were always a little tricky. I didn't like them near as well as the straights.

@richsmobileautorepair9203

7 күн бұрын

I saw NO FLAPS.

Flaps are critical for additional lift earlier in the take off roll- which is exactly what you need when grass is slowing your acceleration

@pantherplatform

Жыл бұрын

Flaps are for bots

@mjisurdad

Жыл бұрын

@@pantherplatform flaps are for clapping 👏

@thewhitefalcon8539

Жыл бұрын

Technically you only need lift at the end of the takeoff

@federicom8765

Жыл бұрын

@@thewhitefalcon8539 true on pavement where drag from the runway is minimal. Not true on grass with small wheels where you want to minimize the weight of the airplane (ie increase lift) as soon as possible on the roll because that full weight on grass is holding you back - big time!

@patrickhill7862

Жыл бұрын

@@thewhitefalcon8539 you want to take off faster tho

"he gon reck it" was the best part

@skwabo

Жыл бұрын

Yep he wrecked it.

Someone should tell him about flaps

@Tavarish21

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad a lot of people saw that he wasn’t using any flaps especially on grass 😵‍💫

@seanjordan8233

Жыл бұрын

Beat me to it.

@wandery2k

Жыл бұрын

thot i wasn't seeing what seemed obvious...

@johnsenetto7935

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, does the pilot have a license?

@jayeean3890

Жыл бұрын

He must have skipped that class on Soft/Short Field techniques! Flaps anyone? Slight back pressure on the yoke anyone?

Dude didn’t do his homework. It’s gonna be a very expensive lesson.

@Loillpopx23

Жыл бұрын

Why I’m pysical tonight

No flap on grass???

@alwaysflying6540

Жыл бұрын

I Said the same thing

@leeliddle7021

Жыл бұрын

My opinion too. No flaps caused the accident.

@skyediamonds5654

Жыл бұрын

I agree. Any pilot with common sense taking off of a runway made of wet grass with a 20-foot obstacle at the end will use flaps set for short field takeoff setting. What is not known if he also employed soft fiend techniques combined with short fiend takeoff.

@maxwellbutler1022

Жыл бұрын

Glad someone else caught that

@laroudoune

Жыл бұрын

I saw episodes of air crash and I was amazed at the number of fatal accidents due to pilots forgetting to put the flaps in the take-off position this is the first thing that any pilot must do before any takeoff after start-up flaps flaps flaps

Flaps would have prevented this all day long.

@JohnDoe-yj5ng

Жыл бұрын

Some people need to get to their destinations real fast!

@tenpiloto

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, but you don't know that unless you have the performance charts, a/c weight, obstacle data, wind, and density altitude at that time.

@joshastana849

Жыл бұрын

@@tenpilotohe’s taking off on grass. He needs flaps.

@mylzmckibb8271

Жыл бұрын

10o all day. It was the first thing I looked for when replaying it.

@trin162

Жыл бұрын

​@@tenpilotoyou can clearly see they had no flaps deployed for takeoff

He probably didn’t practice soft-field take off with flaps, during his PPL days. 😎

@pantherplatform

Жыл бұрын

Ppl bot

Pilot forgot to plug his brain in the night before for a full charge.

@adotintheshark4848

8 ай бұрын

probably got a good lay and was too busy remembering it instead of thinking about his plane.

No flaps and partial throttle or a problem getting to full throttle…self inflicted

@zernid

Жыл бұрын

I was looking like he has no flaps set

@paulsilva3346

Жыл бұрын

I agree I noticed no flaps as well

@shoebetya

Жыл бұрын

OK yeah but...hidden obstacle?..was it the standing water?

@shoebetya

Жыл бұрын

@bigteam6919 Sprinklers would have undoubtedly made soft ground..but it looks like there's a couple times when the spray coming up from the tires..pops up...did hitting berms of water..large puddles..arrest speed? Including other factors..

Unfamiliar wet grass runways call for short field takeoffs every time. This plane was in a clean configuration as if it was on pavement. He was not set up for success.

@TB-um1xz

Жыл бұрын

You mean soft field takeoff

@TB-um1xz

Жыл бұрын

@@BigLucs soft and short are two different methods.

@kombolasha

Жыл бұрын

@@TB-um1xzto hell with getting stuck, I’d pick short field and get off well before the muddy mess those sprinklers are bound to make.

@TB-um1xz

Жыл бұрын

@@kombolasha I guess you don't know what a soft field takeoff is.

@joshuac2594

Жыл бұрын

​@@kombolashasoft field and short are both 10 degrees of flaps, but soft is yoke back until you see the plane wheelie up, then release a little yoke and as the plane lifts off, push the nose down to gain speed before climbing out above the obstacle. Short field is a normal take-off with flaps, but much more ground roll, which isn't necessary on a wet runway like this. No reason not to do short field.

Those pesky elevation changes will jump right out when you least expect them … It’s almost like there should be some directory of airport facilities or something … if only that existed

@rohanbaty3155

Жыл бұрын

Hey that s a good idea! You should make a book of em all or somethin

@rtbrtb_dutchy4183

Жыл бұрын

@@rohanbaty3155 book? LOL, I’m 51, you must be older than that if you think “books” are still used. 🤣🤣

@court2379

Жыл бұрын

But it's downhill. That helps you, not hinders.

@shark3744

Жыл бұрын

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 I just had to use a book full of chart supplements on my PPL checkride 😅😅😅

Short/soft field takeoff procedures really need increased emphasis in initial training nowadays.

@latexhague8267

Ай бұрын

It is people just forget about their importance and get complacent

His flaps were no set so he got no lift

@steilkurbler4973

Жыл бұрын

Planes can take off without them, just takes longer. That's a problem when space is limited.

@FinnACurran

Жыл бұрын

@@steilkurbler4973When getting your ppl you practice soft field takeoffs and landings. You are supposed to deploy flaps and not be in a clean configuration. This pilot is at fault

@steilkurbler4973

Жыл бұрын

@@FinnACurran That's right, but the wing generates lift no matter what the ground surface is. Soft fields just have much more drag to overcome to build up airspeed. IIRC the rule of thumb was around 40% than hard surface runways. You can still take off without flaps, it just takes way longer, which is a problem when space is limited.

@RandyMarsh-nu6lo

Жыл бұрын

That’s not how aerodynamics work…

@FinnACurran

Жыл бұрын

@@RandyMarsh-nu6lo extended flaps do generate more lift, but they also induce more drag.

I lived in a small neighborhood like this in North Pole AK. I very much liked NOT having to pay airport & ramp fees

@RamblerMan68

Жыл бұрын

Which was your favorite reindeer? 😂

Since it isnt mentioned, the "obstacle halfway down the runway" was about 4 inches of water pooled across the runway that sapped his speed.

His wallet had a “really bad day.”

T/O Flaps????

First, don't try to take off in mid day. 2nd, do your performance take off calculations. Lesson learned

First rule as a pilot....FLY the plane.

Turbo P32R. They require a stage of flap for a normal take off. And the T-tail model has less control authority due to being positioned above the slipstream. Unfortunately, sluggish acceleration is sometimes difficult to detect. Pre-takeoff safety brief should cover this. Possibly used to flying off long, paved runways. Short, water logged grass strip had the odds stacked against him. It’s a terrible feeling when you know you’re running out of runway.

In his defense. If I was unsure whether I'd make it past the trees in the air, I'd rather hit them on the ground.

@ZC.Andrew

11 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Aborting was a good decision. It was the only good decision, but the most important one.

@Kassiusday

7 ай бұрын

@@ZC.Andrewwell is not that after a certain V speed you are obliged to rotate with some aircrafts ??

@trainz8953

6 күн бұрын

@@Kassiusday That concept does exist and is called the V1 speed also known as decision speed. It mainly only applies to jets though with multiple engines since in the event of an engine failure, their remaining engine is more then powerful enough to continue the takeoff safely. Smaller aircraft on the other hand tend to not have that luxury so crashing it as "safely" as possible is your best option.

That was my airplane, it was my pride and joy, life long dream plane. My friend destroyed it and I lost $70,000 . Never under insure your plane

@Hunter-sj9cm

Жыл бұрын

Oh man, I can feel the pain in your comment. Are you still friends?

@kwittnebel

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear. Good lesson about insurance.

@RIP5582

Жыл бұрын

Sorry friend. Hope some things go your way.

@WALTERBROADDUS

Жыл бұрын

Had your friend operated this aircraft from that field before?

A few things wrong with this I believe. I haven’t read the AFM for this aircraft but most soft field/short field takeoffs require flaps as well as using as much possible usable runway. Then holding the breaks and using full throttle until manifold pressure and rpm are stabilized at full before starting takeoff. Plus grass adds to your total takeoff distance depending on what it says in the AFM.

@rtbrtb_dutchy4183

Жыл бұрын

You can’t really hold the brakes on grass. It will drag the wheels.

@cdncitizen4700

Жыл бұрын

@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 The premise is still sound... rev up, hold spot ... release for max distance. Also FLAPS ! (Engage flaps partway down the runway if you need to get speed early)

That's a golf club . Not a runway. As a pilot who knows a lot of drunken surgeons ....I know this .

He should use flaps for take off

A proof that not all pilots has all what it takes to carry the responsibility of flying hundreds of passengers in an airliner

Looks more akin to a golf course than anything the FAA would designate a “runway”

And that's why, you don't hire crop dusters from craigslist

Should’ve used 10 to 15° of flap

taking off in wet runway will quickly dimish take off distance

@ZC.Andrew

11 ай бұрын

I think you mean extend the takeoff distance. Lol. Having no flaps also does not help. Bad combo.

@annepanganiban9376

4 ай бұрын

T

“He gon’ wreck it.” “Yep he wrecked it.”

Sadly I know someone who died in a plane crash 😢 R. I. P.

@Legendaryproo

2 ай бұрын

Yez😢

Wouldn't you walk the runway first? Like if I'm not sure my car will clear a bump, I go check it out, and thats driving 2 dimensionally - I'd probably be out there with yard stick and surveying tools if I had to lift a plane off a grass strip

Better then him panicking and rotating then still not clearing the trees and stall spinning it into the terrain. So that was the better decision he made.

@OneMouseGaming

Жыл бұрын

One hundred percent. A ground base, the board beats taking an emergency into the air below V1 rotation speed. As others have said, there's an error on display here by not having flaps deployed. But the judgment in aborting the take off was smart.

Another reason why helicopters are superior

When your drunk neighbor wants to show off his plane.

Stupid is as Stupid does

"UNFORTUNATELY NOBODY WAS HURT" HELL NAH YOU'RE GOIN IN HELL

@foe1dragnov871

Жыл бұрын

He said Fortunately

@A.Human.A

Жыл бұрын

Yeah he modified the video

I know that for larger aircraft that gave two or more engines, there is a speed called V1, meaning that you must either have made a “go” decision for the takeoff or already taking action to abort the takeoff. I think it’s different for the small lightweight aircraft that have only one engine. There must be a point to where once you meet certain criteria in terms of speed and distance, you must continue with the takeoff.

I love how the people just calmly say “ he wrecked it” like it happens every day 😂

And who knows what the outside air temperature was that day.

At least it wasnt like the botswana crash where 3 people died after a plane crashed into a building

This is a classic example of not having planned the takeoff, no matter how routine Prior planning prevents piss poor performance

“Where you can taxi up to your own front door” Taylor Swift is going to find this completely normal 😂😂😂

"Fortunately nobody was hurt" The plane itself: WELL THANKS

A little turtle wax ? You back in business boss ! 😂

Taxi on grass, that’s like skydiving without a parachute

That big spray coming up about halfway through the takeoff run is proof that those sprinklers caused a flooded area. That is standing water which increases drag significantly. That could have made all the difference if it was dry.

Part of flight planning is comprehensively studying the runway chart for elevation changes before takeoff. We've got a 10000 foot runway and it's got a few up and downs along the way. When it's very wet it affects the aircraft's takeoff and landing rollout. Yes, it's grooved, but that doesn't do much when we have relatively high volumes of rain coming down per second. The fastest jets can have the most aggravating time trying to smoothly decelerate.

“He gonna wreck it” why did i get reminded of ralph from that movie

Tower: clear for take off . Pilot: uhhh, we fucked up !

“Unfortunately” no one was hurt.”

This is why you don't smoke a doobie before flying for a second tyme

Soft field takeoff's usually require the use of flaps plus MINIMAL nose pressure, unless the POH states differently. When doing a soft field takeoff you lift off at rotation speed and hold ground effect until you can build up speed to hold Vy. If its s short soft field you use the Vx climb out speed and hold until clear of obstacle and decrease flaps incrementally holding a positive rate. I did not see any of this from this pilot, also looked like no pre-takeoff briefing, and the pilot should have calculated their takeoff performance prior to the flight.

“UNFORTUNATELY “ NO ONE WAS HURT

Online pilot classes!!!!???....😂

Airpark in Texas? Take a look at the density altitude my guy!

Flaps!? And yes, I'm a pilot for both: helicopters and fixedwing... just makes sense!

The Piper lance has a squirrelly elevator and is not forgiving with low speed and short runways.

Should have been a short field takeoff, which I'm pretty sure it wasn't, as you can see the flaps are fully retracted

For a minute there I thought there was going to be a spinosaurus

When in doubt, don't. Especially in flying❤

Wrecked him? Damn near killed him.

As other people mentioned, he should have flapped his wings like a bird. You can see as he's passing by, he is not flapping his wings

“nobody was hurt” the pilot: am I a joke to you?

The runway is a big problem too, alongside the plane’s gear of course. There should be an emergency stop net at the end to avoid this because it could’ve ended badly.

He gon wreck it -Some random southern dude 2023

“He’s gonnnnnna wreak it”😂😂😂😂

Folks saying this isn’t a good runway, it’s beautiful and far more than adequate for these types of aircraft.

If you're unfamiliar with runway, how about taxing down the runway first. Assess requirements. Then attempt take off

Clint Eastwood " dirty harry" said it beat best man got to know his limitations!!!😅 😂

The pilot aborted early enough not to lose his life. We're all human. Even experienced 5,000 hour pilots are prone to make major mistakes. The pilot got the most important part right, and that involved deliberately crashing it. There's nothing 'instinctive' here - many pilots have died in similar circumstances, being mentally unprepared to call such a decision.

Why is the "hurt" part always almost universally mentioned in every type of vehicle accident? Jeez it's agitating

All the drugs on board was too much weight for that runway.

That "runway" looks like a disaster waiting to happen.

Idk what the winds were, but the tree line at the side he left from were way shorter lol. Flaps obviously since it's a soft field. Idk what the POH says for his plane though...

His private license should come under question and maybe taking away from him and not ever giving back to him

Trust your charts. By law every aircraft must have a POH, which will contain takeoff charts. The charts are heavily factored and include runway slope, wind, temperature, density altitude etc. If the chart says the aircraft will make it, THE AIRCRAFT WILL MAKE IT.

Thats why you do performance calcs before takeoff if there is any doubt whatsoever

This pilot was just a rich kid without experience

The Southern accents stand out juxtaposed with the narrator's Canadian accent.

Short grassy runway, t-tail, maybe density altitude or poor planning crunched that poor bird.

Glad they survived

A lot of unqualified arrogance in this comments section. Unless you know the exact model of aircraft that this is, have read the specific hanbook for it and know the soft field takeoff proceedure, you probably shouldn't be on your high horse about flaps and taking the pilot's licence away and such. Maybe start off by reading the NTSB report or something basic.

For all the people saying that flaps wouls have prevented the accident; ..im assuming that what you mean to say is: treat this as a soft-field take off, set your flaps, apply brake, max throttle, release brakes, apply back pressure, get your wheels off the ground asap, fly in ground effect , then upon reaching takeoff speed, pull back and fly Vx

@ChaseB1896

Жыл бұрын

This is wrong, you NEVER apply brakes and stop on a soft field. I hope you’re not just mixing together short field and soft field together. Soft field you constantly roll and never stop so you don’t potentially get stuck in the grass….

@tomasalvarez6040

Жыл бұрын

@@ChaseB1896 (duh) yes, you are absolutely correct..i mixed both up!! Thankyou

NO pilot..... Just as thick as two short wings...!!

bro crashed like my drone

It was 100F with minimal wind on a soft field. And he didn't use flaps. Complacency is a killer. Good news is he was the only one in the plane. No info on whether he had loaded any extra weight into the plane.

For a soft field takeoff you need 10 degrees of flaps and you need to put the plane into ground effect to gain airspeed

He didnt even extend his flaps

When you can't tell if you're in a plane or a car. It do be like that sometimes.

The best place to find free airplanes are in the bushes at the end of runways. I've taken home 3 free airplanes already just by scouring the bushes at my local state airports.

Absolutely avoidable. Don’t build or use runways with changes in elevation. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Because you can start the engine, that doesn't make you a pilot..

I SEE NO FLAPS DOWN IN THIS,Pilot errors....!.!.!

The pilot was not using the soft field take off procedure, partial flaps and elevator back to get the weight off the nose wheel, that is why he crashed it