I do agree, but I also think stems can be used creatively to present familiar songs in new ways to the listeners, and I think listeners will appreciate that. The more stems are practiced with, the easier it will be to sprinkle them into our sets, in addition to what we already do.

@TheDJLab

Жыл бұрын

Still need to sound good. Unfortunately Rekordbox isn't there yet.

@DjTonioRoffo

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDJLab a precomputed stem file format would be great. Stems in 8 or 10 channel AIFF/FLAC or such, and all the controller needs to do is "add up" the waveforms as you require. I don't see another way forward, unless we get GPU's in CDJ's at some point, pushing them to 5x the price.

@DJIInLondon

Жыл бұрын

@@DjTonioRoffo standalone units don't count. You can offset the work to a real machine, the same as you can a server.

@Nick-ln2xw

10 ай бұрын

@@TheDJLabthe flx 10 supports serato and rekordbox they both do the same thing

@Centrl_music

Ай бұрын

me and my buddy refer to it as the "bar" board. Very cool to just cut the vocals off rap songs and bring in just the drums from the next one

Love this video and the honesty! I've been using the DDJ-400 for a year and was looking to upgrade, wanted the DDJ-1000 but it never came back in stock, until the FLX-10. I had my eyes on the RaneFour, but you're absolutely right... Virtual DJ is my main software and it absolutely does a great job with stems, prior to having dedicated "STEM" buttons on a controller.

Not crapping on your video but you can't tell people not to upgrade without buying the controller and testing it yourself. I have this controller and it's way better than the DDJ 1000. Sound is better, the fader is more responsive, jog wheels are better, and are more customizable than the DDJ 1000. Many more features to name but just a few. THIS SEEMS LIKE A LAME REVIEW JUST TO CRAP ON A VERY GOOD CONTROLLER SMH. BUY THIS THANG PEOPLE TRUST THE PROCESSES.

@PAE47

7 ай бұрын

Well said

@NocturnalGroovesEnt.-sc9fq

6 ай бұрын

You’re right on one hand and the author of this post is right on the other. Let’s face it… “Stems” is the new thing and this is Pioneers biggest selling point with the FLX10. Here’s a little food for thought for the both of you and all that feel commenting is something you must do. Have respect for each other and if you have nothing to say, don’t say anything at all… This goes for all Creator critiquing and those who’ve taking the time to view the KZread! In short one must put their hands on things to speak on its value.

@waskilautarod2141

Ай бұрын

so, does the dedicated buttons for stems work fine in serato? or still.need to map the pad for stems?

we have been through two ddj1000's and now have been using the flx10 for just over a year... we are heavy handed drum n bass djs and our gear does not always get handled with care lol. i can honestly say that this is better than the ddj1000 on so many levels. the build quality alone is worth the upgrade. our controllers get very heavy use both at home and at indoor and outdoor events regularly. the ddj1000 was a magnet for dust and the faders always needed attention but the flx19 seems to be the opposite. the readout on the platters are brighter, the sound quality is better and little things like the 4 beat beatjump above the cue is super handy. even tho it may cost more than the ddj1000 i totally recommend looking past that and getting this unit

Very true, I’m in a bit of a budget and my ancient controller started playing up recently, so I just bought an FLX-6. I use a focusriteUSB audio interface for the sound so I can get high quality and balanced outputs (nice thing about using Virtual DJ is you can use any audio device you like). Using the ‘stems+FX’ pad page I can get acapella echo out, instrumental echo out and even add and remove the individual parts like bass, drums, etc. so yes the FLX10 can definitely do more but using pads is enough to do some cool stems mixing stuff. And the FLX6 fits nicely in my existing flight case too. And with the £800 I haven’t spent on the FLX10 I can get a new MacBook. No doubt the FLX10 is higher quality in terms of faders and buttons and general build quality, but with an external audio interface and a decent flight case it’s more than good enough for the weddings I do. Having those extra stems buttons would be nice, but won’t magically make me a better DJ like you say. There is also the thing of if you DJ at events or bars where you are right next to the crowd, there is always a chance of a drink getting spilled on your mixer, so if that did happen one day, I would be much less upset replacing/reparing a £600 controller than a £1500 one.

very informative and it doesn't feel biased, just careful observations. subscribed!

They could add the option for high quality rendering for faster though. I bought the FLX 6 six months ago and I’m selling it now the FLX 10 got released. I’m used to the pro club gear and the FLX 6 is crippled in so many ways that it was just annoying to work with, even though it gets the job done.

@jerrodjones3311

Жыл бұрын

Sold my flx 6 a couple weeks ago. I might get a sr2. Or something in that range

The FLX10 can also be used for rekordbox if you want to use the serato stems, so for the price I think it's cheaper than the DDJ 1000 or the 1000SRT, Regards

Totally agree..Its about the DJ not the controller..song selection is key.. 🕺

I’m using DDJ400 for a quiet some time now. And I’m ready for upgrade. Already signed up for the FLX10 I like rekordbox for me this is the way forward

Excellent points!

hmm, i don"t agree, you don"t have volume control of each part & you can't isolate parts on the ddj-1000. You also don't have individual fx on the stems. You can use serato if you want the best stems & wait for the upgrade from rekordbox, i'm sure they will inplent same thing as serato, that you can 'prepare' stems for better quality. For me its a logical upgrade from the ddj-1000. Hope to get it this week!

@stick_nick

Жыл бұрын

I can do all of this on virtual dj with stems and the quality is better than serato and rekordbox. I think Steve agrees. People sleep on vdj and this is coming from someone who used rekordbox exclusively for 5 years

A lot of good points, which I get, some I don't. Yes, if you use VDJ, any controller is great because you map whatever combo of buttons to whatever you like. I can do stems with a DDJ-SX, no problem. However, I'm getting this controller for two reasons. One, rekordbox "universe", I want in, I want to be able to prep music and play wherever I like, with the feel of the machines as close as possible to a club environment. Less creative? Surely. But I'll be able to adapt quickly to whatever Pioneer stuff is out there, and I can also load my music/cues/... on other gear like the Prime family. VDJ remains also, but for the being at home, creative part, as it puts you in a very specific and customized environment. Here is how I see the industry will end up with stems. NOT live calculated, but precomputer and embedded in a fileformat with more than 2 channels, containing the stems. Once we have a standard on that, we can load up tracks and the gear will be able to use the stems with little to no computation (add/substract basically) VDJ can do that today, with MP4 containers (but under another file extension). FLAC or AIFF can handle multichannel, it's just deciding now where to map what, where, and make the firmware aware. Reason two - standard layout and full size jogs.

Which to buy DDj FLX10, Rane Four, Hercules Impulse T7, or DDJ-REV 5,. It's nice to have choices. Can't wait to see what's coming in 2024 and what new innovative feature will be the newest craze since STEMS.

If you’re a beginner or a home DJ, this is a great dj controller for the following reasons: -the layout is very similar to professional mixers and CDJs. -the screens in each deck and loading knob allow you to rely on your laptop very little. -you can switch between 2 and 4 decks within the two decks in the controller with one button,but the 4 channel mixer allows you to connect CDJs as well. -Stem separation is rapidly becoming mainstream and this controller will allow you to become familiar with the tech for future gigs as you grow in your skills. The stem tech sounds better when you edit through the Sound Color FX in the mixer. If you have a DDJ-1000 it might be worth upgrading depending on you as an individual. Might be worth saving twice as much to buy the Opus. Where this stands, it’s a great bang for your buck. Don’t let a guy telling you to pick Virtual DJ over a semi professional set up tell you what a good controller is.

💯 facts!!! Been DJ’n for 15 Years, I have Reloop turntables w/Rane72 mixer, DDJ-SRT1000, & RaneFour, & I started with Technics 1200’s & DJM-909.. They all do the exact same things, it’s basically preference at this point, plus yes you’re only as good as you practice, these don’t make you better!

@bdealer18

Жыл бұрын

I have a similar setup, I have two Reloop 8000, Rane 72, 1000SRT, Prime Go, SC6000 (about to sell these), Do you like the Rane 4 better than the SRT?

@DJ3DBoyie1

Жыл бұрын

@@bdealer18 honestly no! The SRT1000 is the better option IMO.. the rane four I’m probably about to sell, I know the FLX10 is on back order so I might hold off for now but srt>four

This is on serato btw. Theres an issue with stems where if u dont have it on auto analyze which is bad cuz it eats up the cpu and causes audio drops, on the board when u hit any of the 3 buttons it has to analyze once it does it auto-turns on even if u do a turn on and off. Sometimes while it re analyzes it stops all of the audios completely, so the club will be silent, if it happens to you, just hit the stems buttons until audio comes back. Sometimes doing doubles (when u clone a track from one side to the other side) audio may not be available, to solve this: just click any stems button at the top until audio comes back to it. Sometimes while clicking the stems button on the left side, may completely mute the right side output audio. Or maybe my controller is faulty 😆😆😆

@MyGym_Retford

10 ай бұрын

Hey Great info, I'm having some major issues with mine. The music is fuzie when using stems even after putting them into the stems crate, sometimes quality drops, get loads of crackling sounds when trying to preform colour and effects at the same time or even when just song are playing. Im running my FLX10 off an DELL Core i7 10th gen with nvidia graphics card 8g ram. Do you think this is the issue and I need higher spec PC, if so i might sell it and go standalone? Appreciate anyones response to this as I'm not clued up enough to know and its really bugging me after spending £1500 with dust cover. M

Agreed on all fronts. I'm looking at everything coming out and can't help but think this is a test round. There's just nothing out here that competes with the Prime 4 in standalone and controller mode. What I see is poking and prodding around it's features to see if the market will support something else that big and powerful. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my opinion.

Hahaa! I’ve had an SRT since they dropped and just picked this up. I’m glad I did. This is a beast!

I ended up getting the FLX10 and it should be here at my house on Tuesday, I was waiting for it to come out but I wasn’t going to get it, but made a decision to get it, not for stems or that light DMC thing, I just got it because I felt it was the best choice for me at this moment. If I don’t like it I can sell it, I actually wanted to get the Rane Four but I opted not to get it. I’d like to make a video and share it on KZread. Thank you for the video and your reviews etc.

@TheDJLab

Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to hear what you think of it.

@DJBennyswift

Жыл бұрын

@@TheDJLab I’ve been wanting the SRT version but I was told to wait for the new one, then the FLX10 pops up. I like the layout but since I have Serato and VDJ i figured I’d get this one, I’ll definitely keep you and all posted on my view of it and my thoughts. Thanks!!!

You are absolutely right because many many years ago if you were a DJ and you didn’t have a mixer with all the bells and whistles, the whole key was to keep the crowd dancing that’s all you had to do and keep your mixes on point.

RB stems will improve with time. i think they are building a less resource intensive algorithm, and in the long run it will get better :)

Pioneer saying they are keeping the stems hamstrung because of slow computers is BS. They don’t want or worse, they can’t. Who in the hell buys a flagship controller and can’t afford a decent PC to go with it. Total BS.

I got the DDJ-1000SRT and even I think the Rane Four is a better product if we're talking about stems implementation in hardware. But I probably won't upgrade to the FLX-10 because changing pad modes instead of having dedicated buttons allows me for better control.

@djdavebdjdaveb3885

Жыл бұрын

I agree also, prefer to have to pad modes

@19Jose91

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean by pad modes? Mapping stems to pads? I think best control would be to map knobs like the flx10 but I think that’s not ‘mappable’

I'm about to upgrade to flx 10. but I changed my mind after this video will keep my ddj 1000❤

@NocturnalGroovesEnt.-sc9fq

6 ай бұрын

Realistic choice, why upgrade if you don’t need to. FTR there are progress and apps out there that can generate stems for you to incorporate into your Library. It just takes that extra step of creating them with those resources. It’s that what being a true DJ is all about? Real talk: These modern Controllers are just making it easier and taking the artistry out of DJing. Back in the day we had to come up with how to make a record play backwards and any “Real DJ” made it happen. I did and loved doing it on Technique SL 1200 Direct Drive Turntables! Don’t get me wrong I love convenience and easy, but being creative gives you the feeling of accomplishment.

Is the stems feature really that big of a deal? It’s been on Traktor for years & I never heard many people raving about it.

@NocturnalGroovesEnt.-sc9fq

6 ай бұрын

It’s the NEW Thing…! It takes one person to get things going and everyone bandwagon’s!

The controller is born out of software functions and not the other way around. So, if you're using Serato, the perfect controller is the DDJ SX series. Then, if you want a more powerful audio interface, you might lean towards the SZ series. For RekordBox, it's the DDJ RX and DDJ RZ. I don't understand controllers that don't have the effects section via software; it doesn't make any sense. The FLX is neither here nor there.

Thanks for being bold and honest.

First 30 seconds… thank you. That’s all I needed.

would be a nice upgrade to switch from ddj SZ to flx10??⁉

@JoshJasTV

Жыл бұрын

Thats what I've just done. I was hoping for an sz3 but those series are discontinued by the sounds of it. Went and pre ordered fl10

Im using A Rev1 with Serato. And I'm literally buying this tomorrow. Because even though i use stems right now... I still feel limited. What FLX10 offers. - 4 channels - DMX control - Gradual Stem control (will make use of stems more precise and smoother) - onboard DDJ FX control section, with stem seperation Fx control (eg. effect vocal FX seperately from whole song) - Updated Magvel Fader - 2x Computer Connectivity (so easy switch between dj's) - pad controls, offers all the pads a standard laptop controller has, with the quality and performance of a CDJ. Also keep in Mind CDJ's do not offer stem control. The list continues as to why this is the best DJ tech pioneer ever created concerning mixing. All the qualities of a CDJ, familiarity of a CDJ with the Power of laptop support.

Amen! Finally someone telling the freaking truth on Experience..... They look good... I'm still rolling on my DDJ-SZ2 which is basically the 1000 without the smart jogs. I had ordered the Opus and I canceled my order..... I still use my Technics alot to with DVS.... but I also still spin off alot of Vinyl... After blowing literally 10's of thousands in New gear I'm finally like hold up. Other than looks what is thus going to make me do better ? You hit the nail on the head bro.

I disagree about your opinion on stems, it’s not about being better it’s about being unique. I don’t dj pop music so my opinion might seem strange but I find stems (on serato) adds a whole new level to performances. I changed to the flx10 because of the jog feel on the 1000, it feels a lot better. Had a really good go on stems with my SZ before I switch back to serato permanently with the flx. Forgot how bad rekordbox is lol. Great video by the way 😎

@TheFunkloft

Жыл бұрын

Except it isn't. :)

Now listen! I've been DJing for almost 20 years. For someone like myself whom is a skilled DJ looking to update their rig with more creative tools; I think the FLX-10 is a great choice. I am running one with a Denon sc6000m. I have extreme creative flexibility with plenty of tools at my disposal. I commonly use instant doubles to split 1 track into two stem channels. I can then mix in loops from deck 4 and scratch with the Denon on channel 2. I can even "swap sides" because the Denon has two outputs (CH.1 & 2) allowing for spits on either side of the controller. Did it make me a better DJ? I suppose that is arguable. I never would have gotten here if not for the skills I learned starting on vinyl and then progressing to early CDJs.

The good thing is that there is gear for all types of DJ’s. Some have been hankering for this style of equipment, with integrated stems capacity; good if that’s your type of thing, but it seems a bit niche to me, and I’m not that type of showroom dj. The novelty for the majority of dj’s will wear off. As you say, and in my experience, it’s all about the mixing, beat matching all types of genres, playing samples, mixing up the music, hyping up the crowd, and that’s what it boils down to. I love equipment as much as the next dj, but having a Prime 4, XDJ XZ, and a Mixstream Pro, there’s nothing I need for a long time. I can use the main platforms, standalone or controller (although hardly the latter- no need), and engine will come up with a stems feature I am sure as an add on.

I don't know if I fully agree. The average listening isn't going to care if you're playing stems or not, for better and for worse. They just care if it sounds good. A good DJ on rekordbox stem could probably sound 'good' while a lesser DJ on Serato stems will sound 'bad'. My point is it ultiumately comes down to the DJ but also average listener isn't going to notice or care if its VDJ, Serato, or RB I also don't know what to think till I try them all myself. You swear by VDJ where as Mojaxx IIRC claims Serato sounds the best.

Virtual DJ Rules. They don’t plaster name over any controller or controller box. But you as well as I do virtual dj will be on the FLX10 within a month or two.

@NocturnalGroovesEnt.-sc9fq

6 ай бұрын

You can already Map the FLX for whatever program you choose to use, as with any piece of hardware out there that connects to a computer.

Well, I do agree with you, but the reason they didn't upgrade stems because they bought Serato! so there might be an integration come after the monopoly thing goes away. business is business. great controller.

Facts about the music

I agree with you 💯 % on everything your saying 👍🏿👍🏿

I used rekordbox for years but lately had some major problems. Since this week I’m using virtual dj and I’m loving it because of the possibilities and stability . Yes RB looks more polished but the stems are so great on VDJ. Also as a mobile dj I love to have Deezer with all metadata on tracks. Rb has tidal but don’t work as good as with vdj. I’m using vdj with my xz. I’m searching for a good back up controller. What do you recommend for vdj. Anyway what is the best controller for vdj?

I have a fast gaming laptop. Serato needs to produce good stem quality like Virtual DJ. Using stems with Serato will have your audio sounding like over compressed crap!

Great video!

I got mine 3 weeks ago and I bet you my DJing experience have increased alot, it's a better controller, you just need a good laptop and you'll be ok

I disagree with the upgrading controller not making you a better DJ. I upgraded from the FLX4 to FLX10 and I find I use the screen much less and mix with my ears much more as have a lot more control at my hands. However, STEMs point, I completely agree with, Rekordbox needs to improve its STEMs

I just use the stems for effects only. Helps with not putting weird effects on the drums

the stems is a big issue but its somftware and let's hope for an update very soon.

Does it have what it takes to mix the way a a dj can mix on a all in one console at that price range do ?

@TheDJLab

3 ай бұрын

Huh?

@shevigamings2817

3 ай бұрын

Nvm🫡

The problem with finding decent reviews, is that there are so many crappy ones. Most of these people haven’t even studied journalism and just put this stuff out there! 😂

@TheDJLab

3 ай бұрын

Maybe it's because everyone who studied journalism owes a big student loan and can't afford $50,000 in DJ gear.

Currently I have a 2 channel deck and mainly i want to upgrade to a deck that has 4 channels and I am having my eyes on this one but truthfully I dont know which one I wanna get so if there is any better 4 channel decks pls lmk

What about Ddj- Rev5 ???? (I must update)

I've ordered it. Imo they rushed the stems feature in Rekordbox to get it out in time for the release of this controller. It will get better. It's software. No it won't make me a better DJ (duh). But stems give you more possibilities to mix tracks together without needing edits to make a great transition. Yes, I've mapped stems to my current hardware, but I have a 2 channel entry level controller. I was already waiting for an update to the old DDJ-1000. And now it's here I've ordered it. If anyone thinks buying new gear will make them better artists they are just dumb. Yeah, VDJ and Serato do stems much better, but their first effort wasn't great either. They improved it with updates over time. Yeah, the key point is to play good music. But to be able to creatively blend tracks together that weren't made to be mixed is a great move forward.

If you want to use stems you can just get a serato lite controller

Couldn't agree more. Well said

Can you hook up cdjs to this? Could you play this in a small club setting?please someone let me know.

I cant install it with serato help

Completely disagree with your video! 1. Flx 10 has an excellent quality on materials. 2. Very responsive pads 3. Separate Stems for Fx section C’mon! 4. Jog wheel is superb 5. Excellent audio quality. Expensive Yes… but why not?

Looking for pioneer to update the sr2 or make a ddj 800 work for serato

I still enjoy traktor to be honest. I’m sure stems feature will be upgraded to traktor without using the F1

Pioneer is really throwing spaghetti on the wall

But what is your favourite controller?

@TheDJLab

Жыл бұрын

Ddj-1000 or prime 4

Bro u crazy

@TheDJLab

Ай бұрын

You know

The Rekordbox stems now is the very Chinese version of the algoriddim and Serato stems. 😂 (I using now DDJ1000 & 800)

Its nice but in all honesty apart from the waveforms on the screens being better for scratching and the way you can assign accapella and instrumentals stems to decks 1+3 or 2+4 its not got enough to convince me to move from my DDJ1000 to be honest, i can easily map stems ect to the pads so. What i wanna see is a proper moving platter + paddles controller for Rekordbox, then i am all in for sure.

You’re a joke if you use Virtual DJ lol…. what you said in the first 30 seconds is COMMON SENSE. Also please explain how talk about a controller you have never used nor even SEEN

@TheDJLab

4 ай бұрын

I have used enough gear in my life and own enough stuff to be able to look at videos and give my opinion on the controller without seeing it. Tell the owner of Virtual DJ that all of its users are jokes. It's the number one selling DJ software on the planet and most DJs that use it are corporate and event DJs and probably make far more money than the average DJ does. The only joke here is people who comment this kind of stuff.

Hard disagree with this.

@allentastic

Жыл бұрын

This is all baseless negativity.

@TheDJLab

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes it's the truth sounds negative.

@JoshJasTV

Жыл бұрын

Dj lab, I think it's because you are not a prime serato user. I agree with not moving from srt. However, for people on ddj sz, we have been waiting for something like this for a while. So I would say that for those from an SZ it is a good move. Plus the acapella stem on serato is brilliant.

@TheFunkloft

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this guy clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. He's the same guy that was 100% convinced the Opus Quad was fake and made a narcistic video about it.

Seriously!!!! obviously you don't mix with stems!! but here's the bollix Quote.."RecordBox use a suystem (Alogorithm) for slower computers??? Well not everyone can affordan i9 laptop which is the only computer fast enough for stem serperation on the fly.. Hence the FLX!0

What is your best, baddest favourite, dopest controller of all time?

@Hannibaul

Жыл бұрын

Rz. REV 7. NURMARK Ns3. Opus Rx3 Sx series

@TheDJLab

Жыл бұрын

Prime 4

@Hannibaul

Жыл бұрын

Still waiting for the perfect standalone the Rev 8 might be standalone 🙂🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐🧐

@davidpuzon8310

Жыл бұрын

Prime GO

The problem is not the controller but the software! Rkbx sucks! Personally I think that the jog wheels are better than R4! For the rest the R4 is better, specially on the stems workflow

Can’t knock it until you try it

Who owns serato now! lol!

i know it wont make me better, but i need new gear!

I'm going to disagree with the comment this controller is not going to make you a better DJ; and I'm going to point out the fact that there is an onboard/built-in sound card with fantastic effects. Then you get to add / map your own through the COLOR FX buttons through software. Being a good DJ is not just a good music selection.... it's how good you transition and into the next song. So when it comes down to being a good DJ, the controller that gives you the best overall options for mixing/Effects WILL make you a better DJ. Period.

That's an excuse, they could have put a toggle button in RB for LOW / HIGH Quality --- but Stems is a gimmic anyway.

@stick_nick

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t say it’s a gimmic I’ve been using vdj stems for years and get compliments constantly about my mix quality

@dirtychump

Жыл бұрын

Not a gimmick its the future of DJing

I still had to buy a new computer....js

Steve, truth! After a few months, the novelty of stems will wear-off. Then, it's back to square one.

Its not all about stems

amen!

I've been Djing since 2014 and producing for a year

Facts

You nailed it on the head with the garbage that’s out there … you have to do some serious digging for good music. Say it out loud for ppl in the back

@MobilediscowirralCoUk

Жыл бұрын

I like to hear the remix or the song but thats me am sure theres others when someone can start turning off bass notes etc just wont be the same, i understand trying to make live bootleg (i get it), if this for intro and out but you can do some with effects anyway plus noticed. Sometimes keep it simple and good. Old dance & trance music was unreal, been liking remixes from block & crown

I have no need to buy this controller.

DJs think stems and efx make them better. 😂😂😂 Mixing good music is key.

thanks for stating the obvious lol

Pioneer stems sucks just being honest

Load of old rubbish. You haven't even seen one. Content for the sake of content. FLX10 is night and day better than the old 1000. Build quality, audio quality, functions, integration and phono input levels all smash the 1000. You literally don't know what you're talking about.

@SenorDosTres

3 ай бұрын

Oh... and DMX built in too.

@TheDJLab

3 ай бұрын

You are right. I didn't see until recently and haven't had a chance to play on one. And I'm not the only KZread review guy. That makes videos just because they need content. I do feel when I look at a new product. I have enough experience with gear to be able to give an opinion on something without looking at it. But you are right. Sometimes I get it in my hands and my opinion changes

Stems Sound like Roboter 🤖 Real DJ don‘t Need Stems. If so take the acapella / instrumental From the Vinyl