I chose the 430 after hitting several other clubs in this category, they worked best for me. Love the sound they make.

I'm happy with my G425 irons. Hope Ping has a smashing success with the G430 release! #TeamPing

Like the new look 👍&the improved sound,definitely o my to try list.Keep the great videos coming 😊

Big fan of the look of these. Best looking irons in their category so far IMO. Looking forward to trying them.

I've recently purchased g425 and love em. Will be hitting them for the rest of my golf life 🤣

I would love to get the new i230’s but my handicap dropped to a 4 when I got rid of the original I E1 irons and went to G30’s! I am in my 50’s so I am getting G430’s this spring!

These are definitely on my to try list, I think these and the 0211 xcore 2 are some of the best looking irons this year (blades look better but I'm not that type of golfer 😂) I was very heavily leaning towards 0211 but they have a) just put the price up which makes them very close to the g430s on American golf and b) you have to pay for them out right which isn't what I want to do just now as I'm re mortgaging and going to put another down payment so want to do that and pay off irons at roughly same time or just after ( adulting and priorities 😤)

Great vid again And. Not sure about that top - my Granny had one in the 60’s 😂😂

These are the best Ping clubs I’ve hit since the iblades. Not as good feeling as my Mizuno forged but I’d consider changing!

Always fun to come across a TAG vid I haven't seen!

I bought a full set of Callaway Rogue ST Max in the spring thinking my play would improve. Man was I wrong, at least so far. It’s more about the amount you can play or practice verses which high end clubs you think you need. But I bet those 430s are amazing to hit…….

you are the man. thank you very much for your review. I know I can trust you.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Means a lot to read that

Another solid looking iron from ping. 👍

Strongly considering these. I have a set of Nike NDS irons f/2006. Nike Ignite 2005 9*, and Sasquatch 3/5woods from 07. Time for an upgrade

Just got fitted for these. Tried t350, tm qi, callaway smokes and found the g430 to have the most forgiveness. Im a high hc and while I prefer the look of the others my goal is to lower my score. Found these to give me best distance and softer landings.

never had a set of pings but do use there glide 4 wedges and love them wonder if i would like the irons might have to give them a go

I bought the Rapture irons 14 years ago. I like them, but I really miss my ZING2 irons.

I got a chance to play these a few days ago, and they are nothing short of amazing. First of all, they're absolute nukes. Distance will not be a problem with these, in any of the loft spec settings. But moreso than that, these irons are just incredibly forgiving. Mishits still find their way straight-ish. Dispersion on clean shots is superb. You get such great descent angles on the low irons and such distance on the long irons, that I'm well ok with all of the spin numbers. I wasn't planning on buying new irons this year, but I'm pretty sure these will be in my bag before March.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for some feedback having tried them yourself

@Kylegolfs94

Жыл бұрын

did you end up buying them?

Very nice looking club.

Great idea with the blending of the bag . I need launch and don’t want a “PW” that acts like a 7 iron .

The three biggest changes in these irons from the previous generation is that the center of gravity is lower, the face will Flex more because of the way they heated the steel which will create higher ball speeds and they are stronger lofted.

My ping cavity backs are old but they're pretty damn nice

Ping stands behind their product %100 of the time and always make a top notch product.

all of us weekend players need spin, period. low spin high launch + distance, duh, huh Taylor Made? sound & low spin is why I choose Apex DCB over G425 last year and I like Ping. so appears Ill stick w my DCBs, bummer unless I can find a set of retros and switch to prov1x to add spin? or crossovers/i230 combo... hmmm, great review and agree 100% . PS here in AZ spin is a must

Good range of clubs available for this market type

i agree with the high launch and steep decent it will make up for the low spin i think....should hold the majority of greens..... cheers

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Yep I agree

@chrishamilton6718

Жыл бұрын

I’ve just ordered the retro spec never needed distance , I need forgiveness 🏌️‍♀️🤣

My G430 7 iron spins around 5800. You have to try some different shafts. The elevate shaft helps add some spin back

So what was your roll out after hitting the green with the 7 iron?? That's the big take away correct?

I am going to Gainsborough to get fit for the Blueprints but i do love the number of the iron on the front of toe 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Whhoooaaaa blueprints!!!

@giomusah2155

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAverageGolfer Would you put 225 in the game improvement forgiveness territory or these pings are more forgiving and longer?

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

@@giomusah2155 two very different irons IMO

@giomusah2155

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAverageGolfer how so? pings are more forgiving?

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

@@giomusah2155 no, one is hollow bodied and forged the other is a cast cavity back

What is your favorite set yu would put in your bag

What shaft did you have on these?

nice clubs, but I couldn't hit them as well as the G425 or even the I525. I'm a 14 handicap. club head speed is my struggle, my ball speed is about 7 mph less than yours. side note, I hit the Paradym about 10 yards further, although lower launch.

Do you think they are an improvement on the g400 irons ?

ive got theses and spin rate was 6980 for seven iron ive not had a problem with any spin rate for all of the irons

Hey Andy, long time viewer and love your reviews. The video and production quality of the videos seems to be different from last year, did you make a change? I believe someone was shooting your videos last year and the last few seem to be shot off a tripod with a lower quality camera.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Bit of a mixture and what we are shooting, some of the quality and high res production seemed overkill for certain content 👍

@thomasstromberg4343

Жыл бұрын

Have You also new mic. The volume has gone down Mucha.

Shocking sound quality mate had to put subtitles on

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

My wife would love that option 👍

Great review Andy, Did you get to test the high launch model? Would like to see you review them. Smash that like button 👇👇👇👇

Looks are subjective obviously but I think last year's model was such a much more classier looking iron....for a ping. I played the Karsten irons from 2014 and regret ever selling them.

Would u say these would be good for beginners?

I like the look of my g425's better. Crazy that these are 300 dollars CAD more than last years. Don't think I would have bought these irons if I was pushed up that price bracket.

The low volume is not really a problem until the adverts come on and keep waking me up !

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

😂😂 sorry we will sort next week

Is there anything better in this category?

That why my i500s are the n a traditional loft

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

It’s good they offer a retro loft

Volume is a little low on PC. Good looking irons, but uff, those spin numbers are worrying. It'll never stop on a summer green, but they'll probably be great for new golfers.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Yes an issue with sound which we will sort

What balls were used during test?

I wonder if the descent angle is reasonably high, and whether that mitigates the reduced spin?

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Yes I think it certainly does and also spin on these mates is always low

Balls just not gonna stop on hard greens with those spin numbers

One thing I noticed is that there was a 40+ yard gap in total distance between the 7i(~180) and the 9i(~140). Even if the 8i would split that at ~160, that's still ~20 yard gaping between irons, which isn't good!

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Yep good point

@-bld-

Жыл бұрын

Lofts are between 3° and 4° with these, which is much better than G410, G710 and P790. I'd suggest this is the user, not the iron.

That spin number bothers me too, but....... with a stronger loft, that they are able to get a higher launch, I would say try them and see if you get enough spin on the green. If you do, then just ignore those spin numbers. I know a 7 iron of 34 degrees of loft is standard, and they should also get 7000 on the spin rate. Each club USED to get the same spin and the number on the club other than in the thousands. 4 iron, 4000 spin. 9 iron, 9000 spin. Let’s see how they act on the greens. If the stop good and back up like they are supposed to when we hit them good, then that spin number is a non issue.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

This channel has never been spin obsessed and should as you say be viewed on course performance

I like the look. I’d game these if I could afford them.

I have now tried theese I gotta say they are really good... I normally play blades ( witch I probaly shouldnt) I got around 5500 as average spin on these. They do stop really well for me, of cause the hight helps a lot.. But I really fanzy these ones.. Gotta say well done Ping

Kind of reminds me of apex without the stamp in the middle

Mat will typically take about 500 rpm off the spin IMPO.

What are the 3 black sections in the cavity made of? Is it something that will peal off?

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Not in my opinion

@andrew02465

Жыл бұрын

@TheAverageGolfer Thank you sir! Great videos! 👍

Do you ever use your custom fitting bay you built?

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

At Holywell?

Traded in my g425 after was fitted for them.. they weren’t as forgiven as my rogue x. So then refitted for rogue max st.

@rhinomite5203

Жыл бұрын

I’d like to hear more about those st max when you hit a 100 balks or so, I’m struggling with mine

@WeimaranersAreTheBest

Жыл бұрын

@@rhinomite5203 fitted for reg or stiff?

@rhinomite5203

Жыл бұрын

@@WeimaranersAreTheBest didn’t get them fitted. Probably the mistake for me 🙈🙈

@WeimaranersAreTheBest

Жыл бұрын

@@rhinomite5203 I went from rogue x to these Same lofts. Had reg in x Stiff in st max

@rhinomite5203

Жыл бұрын

@@WeimaranersAreTheBest graphite reg in all st max except driver(tensi blue stiff), 3,5,7,3h, 4-9, G,A,S,P. Just expected more but I’m the one who needs more practice at this point. Cheers

Off center hits do appear to be louder than center hits to me.

I saw Sophie Walkers review she was getting 5100 spin for her 7i.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

I can’t speak for Sophie Richard 🤷‍♂️

@vicgeier3482

Жыл бұрын

Everybody has different spin rates, many variables

getting a Ping fitting next week. Stay tuned.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Good luck 👍

Please compare them (Ping g430) head to head against the Callaway AI smoke max fast.

mmmmm i have to crank the volume waaaay up lately on your videos....are you doing something different or using a new mic ? just curious....awesome review though...cheers

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Yes we clearly have an issue to resolve

They are great performers. But, in Canada a set of these the price was jacked on the G430 by a whopping $300 over the G425. That’s sad. A set is about $1650 CDN plus taxes. Ouch. Mizuno has Great irons out this year also, at much less of a cost and cosmetically every bit as appealing. Love Ping clubs, the G425 were excellent looking and performing but this price gouge regardless of technology is not going to boost an average golfers game by a significant amount to support the steep price. I’ll go Mizuno or Cobra based on performance and a much more reasonable price point

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Good points

Andy, I didn’t fully understand your g430 “disappointing” spin comments. The launch angle and distance seemed fine and relatively constant over your 2-3 shots with each iron. Are you equating lower spin with a significant loss of control, or are you worried about too much run out, or something else?

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

These numbers would be deemed low to say the least, when you consider many golfers or fitters would expect 5-6000 rpm spin on a 7 iron, so yes a concern over control

@paulgibson7025

Жыл бұрын

Of a mat launch will be higher and spin lower than on grass.

@Cornwall1888

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAverageGolfer pretty normal spin for a 29 degree iron, 27 degree 5 iron blades spin the same as 27 degree 7 iron power bats

@zazhou

Жыл бұрын

@@Cornwall1888 agree. Spin rate is largely loft driven, while launch angle is factor of both loft and CoG. G430 has very low CoG.

I have ping g425 irons and they stop on a dime, wedge gets spun back on the green ….maybe because I hit down on them too much

Andy,the sound on your last couple of videos seems very quiet ?

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Yes we are on it 👍

Your launch is really high even for this iron

No volume andy, had to put on full great review though, think I’ll stick with my p790 at the moment

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

If you read the comments some say no issues others have a problem with it, very odd, what device are you listening on?

@peterheston1707

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAverageGolfer I had Volume issues Andy, when the ads come on I jumped out of my seat. The mike picking up the club was fine when you bang the club down. Good review though, thanks

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

@@peterheston1707 thanks for feedback

@garyrichardson9697

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAverageGolfer Apple iPad had to turn the volume up full had the same yesterday as well, wasn’t a problem till the adverts kicked in 😂

@andrewlane479

Жыл бұрын

iPhone in the car with Bluetooth…can’t hear more than a whisper even at full volume

Turn up your recording level, please. I have turn volume to max to hear your videos. When the ads hit I turn back down to normal volume.

The audio on this segment is incredibly low. Not sure if you can do anything about it, but regardless of the device (I've tried two iPhones, and MacBook Pro as well as the Bluetooth connect to my Kia) the audio is so low that its hard to hear all that you are saying. Having to use CC's and that's a bit wonky.

Isn't the low spin issue a bit of a red herring? Yes, 5 iron to 5 iron they spin significantly lower than traditional lofts. My current 3 iron is 21°. The G430 5 iron is 22°. I would guess that these two clubs would have similar spin numbers, but the G430 would launch much higher, carry further and stop more quickly because of the descent angle. The real issue is should we AVGs even use the G430 5 iron, regardless its relative friendliness? I don't carry either of my 3 and 4 irons anymore... I imagine in a fit, many of us would transition into hybrids or crossovers below the 6 or even 7 iron in this set...

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

I agree as you know, once we enter into the 20-24 degree loft most golfers need other options

@-bld-

Жыл бұрын

People need to read this. Everything is relative, as Keith points out.

I can hear it fine

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Its fine for me but seems to be an issue for others

Look nicer than the G425.

I can hear it

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

I can but does seem an issue for some, very odd

Maybe it's me, but the last 3 or 4 videos have very low volume. Great review anyways. Thanks for it.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Yes we will sort 👍

Your volume has been a problem in the new year. Not sure if you changed MIC or software

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Yes we clearly have an issue to resolve

It looks fine but the 425 looked better to me

So what are you looking for in your bag?

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

What am I looking for?

Super easy to hit and long!!

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Yes indeed!

Andy, can you adjust the volume you post your videos? For a bit now they seem very quiet? Just me? The contrast between your video volume and the annoying ads is extreme.... For me at least. Cheers

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Yes it seems we have an issue which we will resolve for next weeks uploads 👍

@DavidSmith-lo7wf

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAverageGolfer Awesome. Thx. Keep up the good work 👍

We need to address the elephant in the room - the low spin rates. I think the peak height and descent angle will give a reasonable measure of control (maybe not on hard links greens in the height of summer) despite the spin rates. Also, at least when I tested clubs, spin rates off the mat were always 500-800 rpm lower than when I tested off grass. The more difficult issue, and one that applies to all high launching, lower spinning designs of game improvement irons is that they are one dimensional - they get control by launching the ball high and having a steep descent angle. Great in calm conditions, bit of a problem when the wind blows. Still think Andy is right though, the G430s will be the best selling iron out there this year

@GOLFADDICT65

Жыл бұрын

i agree with the high launch and steep decent it will make up for the low spin i think....should hold the majority of greens..... cheers

@robertmelvin4493

Жыл бұрын

From my research, most experts indicate as long as you have at least a 45-degree descent angle the ball will hold on most greens with a 28-degree lofted club or higher

No glove? Is that usual for you, Andy?

Really want to like the look of Ping irons but it just doesn’t work for me. I’ve played callaways irons of a variety of models for years and ping just don’t look right. I’m sure these are going to do really well this year, they are just so expensive (like most irons) are you going to be looking at Aerojet irons ( I know cobra aren’t always your favourite) but the iron sets seems to be so much better value than the other big names

@anthonyhemsworth7417

Жыл бұрын

I don't think there's a huge price tag on these, American golf is £769 which seems average the 0211s which I was looking at are about the same price now, I also think this year the g430s look the best so far, the cobras look abit cheap and nasty to me, the ltdx looked better

@jameshopcroft8743

Жыл бұрын

Cheaper than I expected though American golf has them listed lower than the rrp. Though if I was to buy I’d have to redo my wedge gaping as well which would add to it as the PW is 3 degrees stronger than my 2018 rogues at 41 degrees

@anthonyhemsworth7417

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the gapping probably abit of an issue for some players but I think if these are going further, in theory you should be closer to the pin anyway so if you have a 52 56 60 like I do I don't think I need to bridge the 41 degree pitching wedge as chances are I'll be closer than what I am now, the only issue maybe short par 3s but you adapt and maybe hit the pw at 90% 🤷‍♂️

The number stamped on the face would be a put off for me

Doesn’t matter what irons if mid handicap, spend a £1000 get custom fit 6-w plus 50 &54 Go from there, drivers and putters after

Volume is really low and has been on last few vids watching on iPhone

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Thanks David hopefully we sort for next week 👍

I can’t understand why the sound should make any difference.

Turn up your volume, can barely hear you! Thanks

Srixon ZX4 irons can easily compete with these, and for less money. Also, lofts not as jacked as these.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Thats a good shout

18degrees of loft and they call it a 4 iron? That's the same lot as my 2 iron.

Watching club reviews on YT has almost left the building for me. You rarely get any information on shaft specs. Is the 430 using the same shaft as the 425? It's hard for me to understand how little emphasis is given to stock shaft options and performance when it comes to feel. You talk about sound and feel and the shafts affect this. Example, the 425's came in two stock shaft options, I tried them in the TT 105 S300 and they were hard for me to control and felt hard (for me), but they were much better in the AWT stiff flex. I recommend going to your local golf shop and hitting them yourself, the YT reviews give you a good look at the product vs performance. Shafts matter! But, with that being said I do enjoy your channel in regards to other content, but your club reviews fall a little short.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Because shaft choices are very much suited to an individuals swing and ‘my’ shaft should mean very little to a viewer, it is paramount a golfer gets custom fit and tries multiple shaft options to find what best suits THERE game not what a YT review features

@YayaGolf777

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAverageGolfer thx for your reply. I do enjoy your channel and like most of your content as well. After all we all love golf or we wouldn’t tune in. You have a lot of good input. Much success for you sir.

Every year same old same old with them all - went through 3 sets of new clubs last year proving no difference

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

What did you expect?

@reddymi

Жыл бұрын

I am sure…. It is the “dream” that clubs are going to give us 10 more yards and somehow go straighter.

@Rick102667

Жыл бұрын

Invest your money in lessons and put the work in, most likely you will get better results.

@alhorn7054

Жыл бұрын

It’s not the arrow, it’s the archer.

@dmoneyrepresent7024

Жыл бұрын

Don’t worry, bud…the NEXT set will work for you 😂 I teach golf in the US, and I would have to recommend that you take at least 2 lessons within 14-21 days…with a qualified, and experienced coach…do what they tell you to do, forget about results-go mess up a bunch and hit some terrible shots-track your progress daily, record your swing every 2 weeks, and if you’re not seeing some hints of success fairly quickly, ask your coach what is happening/why you aren’t improving…if you agree with them, buy the PACKAGE they recommend, based on YOUR GOALS and desired outcomes, and do the work for 6 months…you’ll be a different player, and person🥂

sound too low. what happened?

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Slight issue

230s vs 430s

@zazhou

Жыл бұрын

I support this comparison of I230 and G430 because they have irons with exactly the same loft but with different numbers, e.g. I230 six iron has same loft as G430 seven iron.

Sophie Walker was getting much higher spin than you are…5k+ on a 6 iron. Maybe she has a more upright swing.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

I never create a huge amount of spin but these numbers are low, that said I am not spin obsessed and have never had issues with any iron holding greens but many would consider this a very low spin rate

@CatNash007

Жыл бұрын

I looked at both reviews back to back and thought the difference in spin was interesting…just sharing the info. She did a comparison with G425 to verify Ping’s claim of 7-10 yds more in distance. Like you said, opinions of reviews are specific to the reviewer and may or may not apply to the viewer because of many variables.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

@@CatNash007 absolutely they should be taken as a subjective view and relevant to only the person hitting the shots, they simply act as a guide

@craigedga4r

Жыл бұрын

Just picking up on your comment about hitting from the mats. I would just like to add on your impact / spin is not just the mats but if they are wet / how wet / if at the range how wet the balls / how wet are the balls wet in the caddy. I know ping have the water management but if they are soaked and then your swing???? I have always dried the ball for tee shots in my session and shake a bit off

Volume on these videos are really low mate

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Yes we will sort

no volume on your mic

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

We need to look into this Rendell apologies

@RendellEccleston

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAverageGolfer np Andy

Sound means NOTHING to the average golfer!!!! I see more Pings than any other brand around the Pinehurst area, the golf capital of the US. Performance is the key.

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Why did Ping make such an effort to change the sound in its these and the drivers? 🤷‍♂️

@GDJ1957

Жыл бұрын

For the lower handicappers who do pay attention to these type things, they are going after the total market, especially the driver market.

These to me are unplayable for higher hcaps. 5400 spin with a 9 iton??? Nonsense. Factor in wet semi and its going knee high with driver spin numbers.

@Michael.j130

6 ай бұрын

Stick to your day job

41* pw. No thanks

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

Do you not carry a 41° club in your bag currently?

@damarapoledna3636

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@parmanduke

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAverageGolfer Really? PW 41* then 45.5* GW and now Sand Wedge is 50*. Cmon you can't be serious. At you skill level you think 41* PW is ok? I currently play the G425 irons. I'm not going to upgrade. Ping lost me on the irons.

@parmanduke

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAverageGolfer Yes a 41* club in my bag is a 9 iron. LOL My current set up is a 45* PW 50* GW 56* SW 60* LW. Now what am I to do with a 41* PW?

@TheAverageGolfer

Жыл бұрын

@@parmanduke what is your strongest lofted iron?

It’s the sound. Click. No good. I bet they feel like a cricket bat