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As a freight forwarder I still get chills when someone mentions Ever Given, it really threw our whole work upside down. I even had a container on that ship for a customer... dude wasn't happy lol

@KKOPPONG

Ай бұрын

What the fuck did he expect you to do?🤷🏿‍♂️…unhappy about the situation or wasn’t happy you used that ship?

In our port, pilots are in charge of berthing/unberthing, but if anything goes amiss, they are not responsible. I find this extremely unfair for the vessels, as pilotage is compulsory.

@southpakrules

Ай бұрын

The captain can override the pilots and even ask for them to be changed, eg if the pilot is drunk.

The suez canal port authority is like a mafia

@Skorpychan

Жыл бұрын

'Like'? I think this pretty much confirms it as organised crime.

@jonslg240

Жыл бұрын

It's more like a monopoly, the Egyptian government is more like the mafia. The seizure of a ship & demanding $ for a situation their own employees are at fault for is completely criminal. It's also totally backwards The Suez canal authority should be having to pay the ships owners for all the lost revenue from that vessel.. rather than the owners of the vessel having to pay the canal authority for the costs associated with recovering the ship. If the ships captain was at fault, then yes.. but the captain has to cede control of the ship over to the canal authorities chosen pilots.

@berryreading4809

11 ай бұрын

I'd say it would be much improved had the Brits been allowed to keep watch for a while longer... Instead the empires that constructed the golden egg laying goose basically gave it to a criminal regime in hopes of buying their loyalty in future geopolitical world building... I guess it kind of had that outcome in some regard, but mostly not 🤦‍♂️ I definitely don't agree with imperialism (Russia trying to take over Ukraine for instance) but sometimes letting other countries control infrastructure just works better... In such countries they usually just want money anyway, not the concept of keeping the global trade constantly improving, or power plants that are cleaner, more efficient, and safe. Road or rail that improves domestic and international delivery and quality of life... But on the flip side you end up with a CCP/Africa situation where they are basically getting scammed out of generational wealth sized resources for a promise of some half ass built infrastructure and plenty of cash payouts... Then again the resources were not likely to be domestically controlled and sold for atleast another century or more... 🤷‍♂️ It would just be interesting to see what an alternate history Suez Canal would look like in 2023 had it stayed under American or European control 🤔 I'm guessing it would be substantially enhanced and modernized over time... Or blown up in some terrorist attack or civil war... 😆 We really need to get those alternate reality time hopping machines working, so many questions to answer and curiosities to explore! 😂👍

@Skorpychan

11 ай бұрын

@@berryreading4809 Blame Hitler; he ran the Empire out of money.

@jovanjanevski3747

11 ай бұрын

I would say they are more like debt collectors.

It's incredible that the suez canal authority had the audacity to blame the vessel for the incompetence of their own pilots. The vessel should never have been allowed to enter the canal with such high winds.

@vipvip-tf9rw

10 ай бұрын

pilot can't 1billion, but ship's company can

@Planet_Xplorer

10 ай бұрын

Nope. It's the captain's responsibility according to maritime law.

@dahliacheung6020

24 күн бұрын

I mean, sea law puts it on the captain and the body responsible for him is the company so... It was also mentioned that is was on the captain to decide if he wanted to proceed and that he was under pressure to do so. Maybe I understood that wrong though. From a regular or layman's standpoint (which matters not so it's fun to discuss) it sure does seem like the pilots were responsible and the canal authority seemed to realize that after hearing the recording. I do think that the Evergiven should have waited for better weather but money and time make the world go round and I have neither so what do I know 😅🤷

@tba8241

20 күн бұрын

What do you expect from Arabs?

It doesn't get mentioned much, but, shortly after this, a different Evergreen Marine container ship ventured out of a marked channel in the Chesapeake, and, grounded.

@pizzlerot2730

Жыл бұрын

Evergreen → Evergrounded? 🤔

@MissNebulosity

11 ай бұрын

@@pizzlerot2730🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@ortiz3452

10 ай бұрын

That was also due to pilot error

@marksapollo

10 ай бұрын

@@ortiz3452Hmm perhaps the pilots have a vendetta against Ever Green?

@paulstephenson9082

10 ай бұрын

HOPE. NEVER. SOUTH. TYNESIDE COLLEGE

I love all the pics of that single digger next to the gigantic Evergiven... quite emblematic of the whole debacle. There are so many lessons here yet sadly few seem to have learnt from it. Great video as always 👍

@ghhhp

Жыл бұрын

seriously i was thinking that too 😂😂 like big help dude thanks lol

@lancewillard

11 ай бұрын

Yes. It reminded me of the old adage: Question: How do you eat an elephant? Answer: One bite at a time.

@TTFerdinand

11 ай бұрын

@@ghhhp At least he was willing to set other things aside and come start digging straight away (for a hefty fee, I imagine). There's nothing worse than nothing being done while everybody argues what to do, so I would commend the effort.

Seems pretty scummy that they sued over what was essentially their own pilot's errors... Also, I just found your channel a few hours ago and I've been binge watching like crazy! This is great content, keep up the good work!

@waterlinestories

11 ай бұрын

Thanks, will do

@vipvip-tf9rw

10 ай бұрын

That's Egypt, pilots even accept bribes like ciggaretes from ship's crew

@satunnainenkatselija4478

10 ай бұрын

​@@vipvip-tf9rwEgypt is one of the worst places to have an airplane accident besides Italy. I suppose that applies to ship accidents too.

@vipvip-tf9rw

10 ай бұрын

@@satunnainenkatselija4478 ship pilot*, guy who is local and control ship in dangerous enviroments, like canals

@Planet_Xplorer

10 ай бұрын

Nope. It's the captain's responsibility according to maritime law.

Well done putting it all together, never heard of the disputes the pilots had just prior to the incident.

Another fantastic, informative story. I learn new information that I never had a clue of with every story you do. Can't get enough. Thanks 😉😉

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Beverly.

I have to say, I’ve only been watching your content for about 2 months and I find it very well produced and focusing some very interesting topics, keep it coming

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for saying so.

@zachkieri1185

Жыл бұрын

@@waterlinestories I love content producers that clearly have real knowledge of their content that shines through, it gets me to watch things I might never have found interesting otherwise 👍

I finally understand what happened! Thank you!

What I found intriguing was how that trading route blockage affected the planets consumption. I live in rural Canada with a tiny supermarket that even had missing/delayed products. Not from Ever Given but the hold up of other ships. Let's hope the bad guys don't figure that out.

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Yes it's incredible how interconnected it all is

@m.h.5400

Жыл бұрын

Which bad guys?

@anja2716

Жыл бұрын

@@m.h.5400 I don't want to say it. Think Twins.

@anja2716

Жыл бұрын

@@m.h.5400 Sorry terrible clue. Think tall buildings.

@m.h.5400

Жыл бұрын

@@anja2716 Ahh. Oh they know.

So glad you covered this!! Awesome work as always !

this channel is so good man. glad to see the channel growing, keep up them great videos !

Getting paid for a disaster caused by your own incompetence. Nice scam when you can pull it off.

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Imagine they did that every other month.

@Planet_Xplorer

10 ай бұрын

It's the incompetence if the captain who's responsible according to maritime law

Evergreen has launched a new eco-ship, it's powered by batteries. It's called the Ever Ready.

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@sciencoking

Жыл бұрын

They're also experimenting with a vessel powered by bioethanol, the Ever Clear

@vipvip-tf9rw

10 ай бұрын

ever charging

@jaredmarcus7707

10 ай бұрын

Lol😂

@poorfamily4659

10 ай бұрын

Never given😂

I remember this... They got the ship unstuck with little or no damage to the ship, nor the cargo it was carrying... However, while it was stuck, it stopped _ALL_ shipping, including other massive freighters and container carriers dead in their tracks in the Suez for 6 days, resulting in _HUGE_ delays and setbacks that cost billions in losses per day!

@vipvip-tf9rw

10 ай бұрын

they can always go around Africa, so not all, but many

@Crazcompart

10 ай бұрын

@@vipvip-tf9rw - That's why the Suez was constructed, though - so they could go from Asia and the Indian Ocean via the Arabian Sea to get to the Mediterranean Sea and out to the North Atlantic _without_ having to trudge that far south, all around, and up the entire continent of Africa, which back when the Suez was dug (mid 19th Century) would add another 3 weeks to a month for the journey! The Suez was also the inspiration behind construction of the Panama Canal around 50 years later, which allowed direct passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific via Panama (and vice versa) without all the extra time, distance, and fuel costs circling South America...

@Cenentury0941

7 ай бұрын

"I remember this" Who doesn't? People who weren't born yet, perhaps

@Crazcompart

7 ай бұрын

@@Cenentury0941- Why do you trolls get so butthurt about the slightest things you feel don't suit you in life? Didn't they teach you respect at the orphanage? Guess not!

I never knew it happened like that! Also, the biggest thing we can learn from this is that 'just in time' logistics is a stupid idea and you need to carry inventory on site. This caused a worldwide shortage of cardboard.

@larsmeijerink5471

10 ай бұрын

But that will never change, thats just hiw the world works

@Skorpychan

10 ай бұрын

@@larsmeijerink5471 It NEEDS to change, though. I remember when they first started using it. I said it was a shit idea then. In my current job, I actively push against it, and push for keeping stock.

@vipvip-tf9rw

10 ай бұрын

⁠@@SkorpychanThere are so many events that proved this jango tower isn't best idea

@Skorpychan

10 ай бұрын

@@vipvip-tf9rw It gets proven every week my groceries don't turn up there because things just weren't there in time to be picked.

@lost4468yt

9 ай бұрын

Not even on site - just in country. And countries already do this for items that are naturally unstable. E.g. Canada has huuuuge stores of maple syrup. In order so they can stabilise the price if there's an issue one year etc.

I'm still just amazed at how big these ships are now...

I didn’t realize they held everyone captive for months!

What a disaster this was. I knew sailors that were stuck in the canal. To say they were angry is an understatement . Totally changed the worlds shipping routes, and showed how important that canal really is ....

I had car parts enroute from Japan for my new car that got damaged (2 months after owning it I hit a racoon that destroyed the front bumper) Mitsubishi ended up explaining to me, that me and other people waiting for these parts that we could only get from Japan as they just had gotten these facelifts on the market in a rush. That we were stuck waiting a few months before we could get the parts as those parts in transit were sitting on a ship waiting to get unloaded thanks to that ship!

"The first ship to go through the canal after the ever given had the chance to do the funiest thing in human history" -Someone funnier than me

@waterlinestories

11 ай бұрын

Tough act to follow 🤣

I miss evergreen, it was a fun time

Funny they sue when they allowed the ships entrance being fully aware of the storm and their pilots obviously were in control ,if it can be called that. I had a strong suspicion that this was indeed the situation. Just found your channel .Watched a couple films.Well Done. NEW SUB

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard

@vipvip-tf9rw

10 ай бұрын

It's Egypt, they are not civil there

"Well, dammit, I DID ask if that was MY left for YOUR left!"

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

What if were facing each other?

@mvtv-montanavigilantetv5976

Жыл бұрын

@@waterlinestories "Hmm. Stand by, helm. In that case ... uh, lessee. Two trains leave the station at the same time. One heading east at 25 mph, the other heading west at 30 mph, so at what point ..." KRRASSSH!

@gnarthdarkanen7464

Жыл бұрын

@@waterlinestories STEER BY SEAMAN'S EYE! GO THAT-A-WAY DAMNIT! THAT-A-WAY! ;o)

@ModernVintage31

11 ай бұрын

@@waterlinestoriesMy guess is that they both go to their respective right. That’s what is supposed to happen when captaining horses, anyway.

@waterlinestories

11 ай бұрын

That’s right. Ships pass port to port which means they occupy the right lane

The quality of your research content and production are top notch as always 😊

This was so well done. Your videos have been my nightly routine and I can't wait for more. (: Thank you!

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I really appreciate that

Really glad to have found you. It would be nice to have a platform in which we would be able to voice our theories about why or what went behind the scenes in regards to some of these events - considering that there are so few details about them to be found in the proverbial "open waters".

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Hm. Interesting. I'll have a think about that

@jd32k

11 ай бұрын

You do.. this comment section

Pilots know the local waterway but not the vessel

Imagine being so bad at your job that you broke the global economy

Really good video!

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Thanks

Love your channel, I’ve always been interested in the ocean and your content is perfect

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear

Cannot believe that the global economy casts this much dependence on these incompetent people 🤦‍♂️

Faster faster faster isn't always the best way

This is a really good channel. I've been binge watching your vids.. and need to get back to work.. oh well. Thanks for the great content.

Last dialogue heard on the bridge: "I'll bet you can't make a u-turn here" "Hold my beer!"

Well , think that the Economic Pressure was the main reason. "Time is money". Quickly! Quickly! and also "Do your job" ! - we are living in a global madness ....

Canal ownership hand over to Egypt was a blender mistake

To be fair the pilots were under a huge amount of pressure. They should've refused the journey given the dimensions and weather they were dealing with. Given the importance of the canal tp all global carriers, the carriers should have been putting more money into maintenance and widening long ago.

We always hear about ships running around. Never walking aground... Can we not learn something from this??

Very good video 👍👌

kinda smart as well if they did settle and get a tug boat on top of the money, long as its a good one thats a huge help to operations

The Ultimate Austin Powers to top all Austin Powers.

I like that they asked for one tug boat.. 😂 they like we getting our moneys worth, and now we can all get a bonus this year.

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Don't let a good crisis go to waste

@michaeltaylor4271

Жыл бұрын

@@waterlinestoriesthat’s right! Gotta get while the gettins good.

I find it insane that because a bunch of companys lost money the entire crew was basically held captive on that ship untill they got reinbursed but when a companys negligence causes a ship to sink like in your other videos nothing ever happens, nobody goes to jail

I wonder what the law says about the importer. If you have a just in time production policy, who pays for the breakdown in your supply chain. Can one sue the carrier for loss in production/ income

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Its a lot more complicated than that. When you ship something on a container ship, the law says you own a % of the ship which mean you are liable for any costs arising. One of the considerations was that companies like Lenovo, Nike and Ikea would have to pay the costs of clearing the blockage and any damages. Of course they have their own marine shipping insurance to cover those kinds of things. But their insurers will be underwritten by a larger insurer who will be underwritten by an even larger one and so the largest one or three end up with a large bill from all the smaller ones down stream.

8:15 that picture was infamous. the tiny mouse saving the elephant

Just trying to tell my brother about this. Seems I didn't know what I was talking about but I do now !

I was just thinking we hadn't heard from you lately.

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

😁 Just trying to keep everything moving and onboarding new team members.

@anja2716

Жыл бұрын

@@waterlinestories One incident that never leaves me is Zeebrugge?

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

I think I've got it on the list

I caused the traffic jam and you have to pay me to unclog it cause it was your fault -Egypt

The canal can be make wider twice and make depth twice for better navigation using hopper dredgers 😮

I was there

As the ships get bigger this is a lesson, the Ever Given is not the biggest, amongst them though, that the bigger they are the easier it is for wind to move them.

Egyptians. Say no more

It's almost like putting so many containers on one freighter is a bad idea.

20k 20ft storage? That cant be right

Just wondering how much these ships are and the cargo on it? More then 1B? Thats alot to pay to get it back, would it be better off just to let them have it.

@waterlinestories

11 ай бұрын

Cargo around $1B and a ship approaching $500mil I expect. The problem is that if you let them have it then you have to go and get another one anyway to replace and so you pay. Then you have a competitor selling your product at a reduced price because they got it for free so it lowers the value of your product.

They mentioned putting (presumably loaded) containers in a lake. Did they mean put them on a ship in the lake or were they just throwing loaded containers in a lake, presumably writing off whatever was in them?

@TTFerdinand

11 ай бұрын

They would've lifted the containers on a barge and then stacked them on the shore. No way you can just dump some containers (10,000 tons worth) into a lake, that would instantly become an environmental and marine traffic hazard, not to mention lawsuits from the owners of the cargo. But that big of a crane would've taken a week to arrive and they got the ship free before any of that.

@utube1818

2 ай бұрын

Yes, they were going to throw the containers into the lake, they would then sink to the bottom and raise the water level thus freeing the ship.

I'm about as far from being an expert of anything but your work is what the media should strive to produce. May I suggest some shorts as they're easy to scroll through and watch whether the subject matter relates to the viewer or not. I drop what I'm doing for few and your videos is in that boat, pun intended. Thank you for putting out what television never did.

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I really appreciate that. I've looked seriously at shorts and decided against it. To make a story that's 15 minutes long takes me and a small team about a week. To make 15 X 1 minute videos would take us about 2 weeks maybe a little longer. We might actually get more views but that doesn't translate into ad revenue. As much as I'd love to produce videos with no financial incentive the reality is that they cost a fair amount to produce. If anything odd like to spend more and make better videos but shorts takes more time, costs more per minute of production and makes significantly less money which just doesn't make it viable at the moment. From what I can gather from larger channels use that shorts actually hurts their long form content too. For now I'm just going to concentrate on making the best videos I can in this format until I can grow enough to take a look at it again. Thanks for your encouragement. I really do appreciate the feedback.

@hiwrik

Жыл бұрын

@@waterlinestories I find shorts really annoying so I'm happy to hear this!

They did a little trolling

Strait up special ops mission

Man, i dig this channel. There whole lotta shit i know nothing about and this channel is one of them..

@waterlinestories

11 ай бұрын

🤣🤜🏻

who thought putting 3 captain on a single ship would be a good idea.

Did it have bow thrusters? Just wondered

@tomhutchins7495

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but because the bow was impaled in the shore they wouldn't do much. The stern thrusters would have also been unable to shift the ship once aground, which is why it being sideways across the channel was such an issue. Thrusters are really just aids to manoeuvring, helping ships gently against docks and so on, and even a small tug has far more power than they do.

Over 20000 containers. WHAT

Anyone who has worked in the Middle East will know that the locals react like this.

So what's the story with that video of the pipeline ?

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I made the video based on a story I thought was interesting but it was a bit conspiracy which I got dragged over the coals for, so I took it down. It attracted some special characters.

@ozzydeschapell3618

Жыл бұрын

@Waterline Stories ah ok thank you for the reply it was a good video as usual 😊

To a layman it is the job of the pilots to plot the correct cause if there is a failure, then that is down to them unless there are exceptional circumstances but these two pilots were arguing with themselves, and with the captain, another point, one of the containers was due for a small British business and because of a huge amount of compensation that had to be paid. He had to pay increase fees for the shipment of his container even though he was not to blame in anyway.

So let me get this straight: 1) Any ship passing the Suez canal must be PILOTED by the Suez canal authority team (which the shipping company pays a large of money) 2) These Suez canal pilots are in charge of the piloting of the ship when the ship is moved through the canal 3) These Suez canal pilots break their own speed limit rule from 8 mph to 30 (!) mph and still seek damages from the shipping company? Shouldn't the shipping company be asking for reimbursement from the Suez Canal Authority who were piloting the at the time of the accident

@Cenentury0941

7 ай бұрын

Honestly, it ended up sounding more like Egypt borrowed a few pages out of Somalia's SOP.

Egyptian court (oxymoron) just took the crew hostage

this is a result of corruption in the authorities, even after they want to recieve a big amount of cash, but on the first hand it is their fault, the ship should have sued the pilots and suez canal for what happen, its the canal and the pilots that has the authority but they blame the owner of the cargoship.

What a car carrier ship was Sunk by EV Cars

The real reason is.... Marlboro Cigarettes 😅😅😅

Ever Jammed

still waiting for my neon pink Yeezys...

It was a test.

Wasn’t it the pilots the ones that got the ship stuck

@Planet_Xplorer

10 ай бұрын

Nope. It's the captain who wasn't driving the ship. According to maritime law he's responsible

what i never could figure out about this whole mess is why nobody thought to bring in winch tractors.

@someguy4915

9 ай бұрын

Nothing on land is big enough to pull a ship that size, at least nothing that is sent (shipped...) there and assembled within a month... Perhaps a modified crane from the petroleum industry, but modifying it, loading it onto a ship, sailing it to Egypt, loading it onto trucks, driving to the location and assembling the thing would take a few months. Creating an anchor on shore that is large enough to pull a ship of that size would also be a few days if not weeks of digging, then pouring concrete and waiting a month for the concrete to harden... A salvage vessel like the large two that were used is specifically made for this.

Suez Canal charges 500.000$ for a journey just to pass, one way journey insane Ps Nike and Lenovo are just some small clients

@Planet_Xplorer

10 ай бұрын

That's the cheapest option

Some one failed Steering Big Ships 101

3:20 one was right, no doubt, greed lost this day

I'm telling you, a Land Rover Defender, snatch strap and full noise would've got it unstock within 30 minutes!.😜😂 On a serious note😁, if I was the captain and the two pilots started arguing and countermanding orders, both would be getting knocked the fuck out and hoyd overboard😂

The evergreen was eventually grounded for good .

X-PRESS PEARL ?

An image showing the route of the Ever Given cargo ship before it got stuck in the Suez Canal resembles a crude drawing of a cock and balls.

1:23 An ever-given *_fuck_* is what that is! Jaesus!

@the.amazing.spatterman

Ай бұрын

6:22 which sucked the ever-given *_fuck_* outta that shit.

I dont know much about Boats…. But couldnt They use the boe thrusters?

@someguy4915

9 ай бұрын

They could use them. Wouldn't do anything... Just look at how much this ship weighs, some 265,876 tonnes... You can strap a rocket to it, but with its bow and wavebreaker stuck tens of meters into clay and rock the ship is not going to move xD

The Ever Stuck

The pilots were squarely at fault IMO, they need to be retrained to handle the big ships.

@Planet_Xplorer

10 ай бұрын

Nope. It's the captain's responsibility according to maritime law.

Oneis forced to feel that the two "pilots" were in fact former "bum-boat" boys from Port Said promoted beyond their capabilities!

@Planet_Xplorer

10 ай бұрын

Tens of thousands of ships passed without any problems. I'd say they are far more experienced than most captains

I feel like this was planned

MARLBORO Canal?

No bow thrusters to assist steering ?

@someguy4915

9 ай бұрын

Simple google search would've shown you the Ever Given has two bow thrusters which are more for pushing the ship away from a dock than for precision steering...

@Raceproved

9 ай бұрын

@@someguy4915thanks for the update. I imagine it would have been equipped with them regardless of a Google search. I'm not convinced they would have saved the situation and its obvious the experienced Pilots didn't think so either. Hindsight is 20 / 20 vision of course, personally I'd have used whatever resources I could to rectify a situation that was rapidly "going south" ................... And I'm no expert, BTW.

On purpose

@waterlinestories

11 ай бұрын

No not purpose

If we didn't globalize the economy as fast as possible this wouldn't have been a problem.

My fallout ncr flag was on that boat😑

@waterlinestories

Жыл бұрын

🫣

When this happened i dont remember blame being pointed at the pilots. To me it seems like they were definitely at fault

This is years ago not 2 month ago